User talk:Holly Cheng/Archive2

US 'second rate' soccer
A judgement as to whether the US soccer leagues are 'second rate' compared to the FA Premier League could perhaps be based on the question - how much would it cost to buy the entire league, and does that approach as much as Glazer spent on Manchester United? CBS Sportsline stated recently that US MLS franchise values are said to be worth $10-$20 million. Glazer spent $1.47 billion for a 75 percent interest in Manchester United. Second rate is perhaps a generous description... Average Earthman 19:11, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Copyvio
Wow, this is going fast :) I note you opposed the copyvio proposal because it didn't mention public domain. See, this is why we usually don't do this by poll - the obvious answer is that the phrasing needs work and that it should specifically exclude PD resources. So please take a second look and tell us if you'd agree. Radiant_ &gt;|&lt; 23:20, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for reminder

 * ''It is recommended that you use the preview button before you save; this helps you find any errors you have made, and prevents clogging up recent changes and the page history. Thanks! Regards, howcheng   [ t  c  w   e  ] 01:05, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your reminder, howcheng. Unfortunately Wikipedia's recent refresh/upload difficulties have made me start using the "Save" rather than "Preview" button too often. I will work to undo this habit. Best wishes, David Kernow 01:45, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Deepmix
I don't quite agree with your tagging of Deepmix for speedy deletion based on it being only an external link. It is quite short, but it does tell us it's a radio station. Enochlau 23:50, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Bobby Jenks
Do you know which Mission Hills he came from? There appear to be two (one in Los Angeles and one in San Diego). If he's from the former, he'd actually be in Category:People from Los Angeles. --Nlu 18:00, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your vote
I noticed that you voted for my RFA, and then subsequently removed it. As far as I know, votes are valid as long as the RFA is not closed, so feel free to restore your vote should the mood strike you. =) → Ξxtreme Unction  {yak ł blah } 17:31, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
 * That's fine. However, you may want to reconsider making it a seperate section, since it will give the appearance of you having voted after the discussion was closed, whenever it gets closed.  You might modify it so that your vote appears in the list with everyone elses, and simply add "This vote was added after the deadline, but before the debate was closed." to your comments.  Just a thought.  → Ξxtreme Unction  {yak ł blah } 17:40, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Deletion process
Thanks for the links you left on my talk page. Haven't really been assertively “patrolling” but yeah, I'll definitely read over the Guide to Deletion. :) Mrtea (talk) 22:29, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

A RFA Thank You Note to clutter up your talk page...
Howcheng:

This is a bit redundant in your case, given my earlier note, but I just wanted to drop you a note to say thanks for supporting me in my recent RFA. I succeeded with a final tally of 46/13/2, and have been promoted to admin. I will strive to justify your confidence in me.

All the best. → Ξxtreme Unction {yak ł blah } 23:47, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Esperanza elections
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AFD closure
I saw that you "closed" the AFD discussion Articles for deletion/Bra boys from the related article after it was open for less than 24h. What was the reason for this? -- Zigger «º» 19:06, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I do disagree, based on my opinions that AFD is about consensus not voting, and the objections about lack of notability and related "stubbiness" have not been addressed. -- Zigger «º» 19:15, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Hopefully we'll get some progress beyond "me too" soon. -- Zigger «º» 19:57, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Redirect Ethnick
Ethnick is not a mispelling of Ethnic any more than conquer'd is a mispelling of conquered. It's just a non-standardized spelling. Also it has or had a different meaning, which should be addressed even though wikipedia is not a dictionary. Chooserr 20:03, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Project Sorting
Howcheng,

Thanks for your e-mail. The current draft categories are found here atWikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Beta. Capitalistroadster 00:15, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Creighton Lovelace
Please have a look at my revision to the article you nominated. Durova 02:57, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Relisting AFDs
Please comment out relisted debates, like so. Otherwise updating WP:AFD/Old gets messed up. Thanks. :D Johnleemk | Talk 18:58, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

News from Esperanza
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Wheel in the Sky
Saw your note - thanks for the clarification. Wasn't sure if it was acceptable to do the redirect without any kind of process. Good to know for next time. | Klaw ¡digame! 19:28, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/G-Uppy
Thanks. I fixed it. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 19:49, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Moe Epsilon's RFA
Hi there Howcheng. I contacted you over my RFA. Im sorry if you took anything personally in what I said on the previous version of my user page. I was just mad. As I posted on my current RFA, I am Bipolar and most of the time I can't control the rage I feel. I wasn't trying to hurt anyone's feelings or even Mcfly85's, if you can believe that, at all. I understand your reasoning to oppose my RFA but even if I dont succeed as admin this is still one of my best Wikipedia days I ever had. Mcfly85 has finally been caught. It was perfect there. But, after that, I was renominated to total shock. Im even surprised I got this many support votes. I hope you dont have anything taken personally against me because I don't against you. Also just to let you know, Mcfly85 took off the deletion mark off his vote, is he allowed to do that? — M o e   ε  03:28, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

RfAr against Mcfly85
I've brought a WP:RfAr against Mcfly85, and out of abundance of caution, I'm notifying you, even though I am the one bringing it (to try to get a quick ruling from the ArbCom) and Mcfly85 is the defendant. Please make a statement if you wish. --Nlu (talk) 04:24, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Thank you!
'''Thanks for voting on my RfA! The final result was (36/1/2), so I'm now an administrator! Thanks for saying I make a good impression in AfD... usually all I do is close speedied discussions in there, so I'm surprised you recognized me. :) Mo0 [ talk ] 06:50, 17 December 2005 (UTC)'''

RFA
Thank you for your support. I'm now an administrator (final vote 64-2). &mdash; F REAK OF N URxTURE  ( [ <font color="#006000" title="User talk:Freakofnurture">TALK ] )  07:10, Dec. 17, 2005

Re: Neptune's weather
Me crazy. I made this page to explain more abut Neptune's hurricanes, not it's weather. And you're right, this page is obsolete. You can delete it if you want. &mdash; Hurricane Devon  (  Talk  ) 14:28, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Relisting RFAs
Greetings, Howard. I hope this evening (or morning, or whatever) finds you well.

I'm closing out the remaining debates for the AfD of December 9th, and I notice that you've relisted at least one discussion, that of Articles for deletion/Claudia Ellquist. Good work there, and well-spotted. You'll be an admin yet, assuming you want the Mop and Bucket.

One thing to keep in mind, though, is that when you relist an article, you want to remove the AfD discussion from the old AfD logs. The easiest way I've found to do this is to simply comment it out, like so. And then leave an edit summary saying something to the effect of 'Relisting such-and-such article on December 18' or whatever. Otherwise, if you don't remove it, other folks who are closing out AfD discussions may not notice that it's been relisted, and may close it out before a consensus develops. (I did exactly this very thing with the first AFD discussion I ever closed out. Had to re-open it 10 minutes later when I figured out what was going on.  That was embarassing...)

Anyhow, keep up the good work, and thanks for the help. → <b style="font-family:arial, helvetica; color:#ff0000;">Ξxtreme</b> <span style="color:#006688; font-family:arial, helvetica;">Unction |<span style="font-family:arial, helvetica; font-size:x-small;">yakkity yak 02:09, 18 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Yeah, my first day of closing AFDs, I didn't remove the listings from the old AFD pages or put them on the current AFD pages.


 * Oops.


 * And they gave me sysop status anyways! THE FOOLS! MWAHAHA...


 * ...but perhaps I've said too much.


 * Anyhow, hard to believe that was less than a month ago. You learn a lot once you have the Mop and Bucket. → <b style="font-family:arial, helvetica; color:#ff0000;">Ξxtreme</b> <span style="color:#006688; font-family:arial, helvetica;">Unction |<span style="font-family:arial, helvetica; font-size:x-small;">yakkity yak 13:42, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Admin?
I normally see you doing good work in AFD and I'm wondering if I could nominate you for adminship as you easily qualify under my standards. Give me a responce in my talk page. Thanks --Jaranda wat's sup 02:47, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Requests for adminship/Howcheng Here you go. --Jaranda wat's sup 19:08, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Poll on "Expansion of CSD A7"
Since you posted this poll to the Village Pump, how long do you think it will run for? It seems to be at about 75% yes/no, which more consenus than previous attempts to improve A7.... but it also looks like the discussion is still active. Jamie (talk/contribs) 13:03, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

How's this for improvement:. Cheers. PJM 19:38, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Moe Epsilon RFA
I want you to see the comment under the "comments" section I left at My RFA. It partially involves you. — M o e   ε  22:42, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

About relisted AFDs...
I know you want to generate more discussion on AFDs hence you're relisting them, but is that such a good idea. You're cluttering up the new AFD list with no less then 25 old ones daily and now the AFD list is going well over 200 AFDs a day. It's getting hard to navigate them all with the relists of old ones in addition to the new ones.Gateman1997 21:01, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
 * That is the rub isn't it. I believe there is a place on AFD for "older" discussions if I'm not mistaken. AFDs don't have to be closed after 5 days, and could be put there for a while. I've noticed that most of the ones you do list are trending toward whatever the votes that preceeded the relisting were so it may be prudent in some cases to just delete them or keep them based on the few votes they have gotten. Especially the more clear cut ones like vanity articles.Gateman1997 21:53, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

More inane blather from Yours Truly
Howard:

This just occurred to me, and I thought I'd mention it: Don't close out any AFD discussions that you yourself have participated in.

This comment isn't being prompted by anything in particular, as I don't know if you've done this or not. You may have already known this for all I know. But since you're actively involved in closing out AFDs now, I figured I'd mention it, especially since you're up for RFA and any little mistake can earn you oppose votes.

All the best. → <b style="font-family:arial, helvetica; color:#ff0000;">Ξxtreme</b> <span style="color:#006688; font-family:arial, helvetica;">Unction |<span style="font-family:arial, helvetica; font-size:x-small;">yakkity yak 23:35, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Makes sense. Best to avoid any appearance of conflict of interest. Will do. howcheng   [ t  c  w   e  ] 23:36, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually, I always add to my watchlist any user talk pages where I've left a note. ;-)  → <b style="font-family:arial, helvetica; color:#ff0000;">Ξxtreme</b> <span style="color:#006688; font-family:arial, helvetica;">Unction |<span style="font-family:arial, helvetica; font-size:x-small;">yakkity yak 11:27, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Brian Peppers
This page was already on AfD and there is a lengthy list of votes underway. The speedy deletions page says specifically:

For articles that do not meet the criteria for speedy deletion, please use Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. Please do not list pages here that are already listed there.

It doesn't even meet the criteria for speedy deletion. As far as I know (can't check the history), Brian Peppers votes 1, 2, and 3 were about posting of copyrighted material. Vote 4 was about a real, original article, but the AfD was based mostly on the precedent that the article was a recreation of deleted content, and many did not realize that this new article was original and the previous AfDs were because of copyvios. Brian Peppers vote 5 is where the facts are sorted out. If you have an opinion on the matter, I invite you to vote there. --Aleron235 00:21, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Re: Relisting AfDs
Ah! Thanks for the heads-up on that, I'll make sure to do that in the future. Sorry for all the trouble! :( Mo0 [ talk ] 03:50, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Mario Kart
Saw your edit on Mario Kart today. FYI, the Rainbow Road article was up for deletion and the result was to merge the information to Mario Kart. I did some of it, but there was more info that I didn't move. If you can figure out a good way to squeeze it in, please do so. Please see this edit for the missing text. Regards, howcheng   [ t  c  w   e  ] 07:26, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I took care of it with a rubbishy copy-paste. Even if the content gets moved or nuked, at least the edit-history will be preserved this way (since I included a link to the original Rainbow Road article). Shinobu 16:13, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

sith
so you boldly redirect sithism to sith. should i have done that in the first place? for normal deletion, do i propose and wait for another to dlete or what? thanks Obina 23:09, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Joe Beaudoin Jr.'s RfA
Thank you for your support on my successful RfA. If you have any need of services, please feel free to seek out my assistance. :-) Happy Holidays! -- Joe Beaudoin Jr. <sup style="font-variant:small-caps;">Think out loud 03:57, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Harry Keough
Made a mistake on that one, please delete. Thought it was "Keough, William Tyrone (Ty) 1980 Soccer Team - Did Not Compete Photo" (see http://www.olympic-usa.org/13220.htm). I apologoze. Regards, Darius Dhlomo 16:43, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

your wikifying notification.
You have placed a wikifying notification on Munni Baji. plz explain and guide directly as im new on wikipedia. User:faridzenger

Ta
for the heads-up about WP:AfD/List of Arsenal F.C. Supporters - much appreciated. :-) Qwghlm 00:10, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Verifiability
I verify facts on a google search, should I put that in the reasoning? I.E. "Google turns up X hits, therefor verifiable, Keep"? The only problem I have with that being Google seems to give you a different "hit" number depending on which page of hits you're on "G!" I have to be honest and say I dislike the "notable" criterion so do tend to g by verifiability if possible. Jcuk 17:15, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Unverified
As I reread the below it comes across harsh. I intended more tongue in cheek. Ah well, ... I do my best. Please forgive me. WAS 4.250 04:46, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Regarding your edit to Ignore the Arbitration Committee: How did you verify it was only one editor that had this "opinion"? As an essay maybe its not even the opinion of ONE person as essays CAN be satire. Alternatively, it could be the opinion of 35.43% of the editors at wikipedia. Please source your work. Thank you. Cheers :) WAS 4.250 23:06, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

+	<div class="boilerplate metadata" style="background-color: #FFFFCC; border: 1px solid #663300; margin: 0.5em; padding: 0.5em;; text-align: center">This essay is the opinion of one editor and does not necessarily reflect the views of the Wikimedia Foundation, of Wikipedia's administrators, or other editors.

W.marsh's RfA
Thank you for your support on my RfA. The final outcome was (30/2/0). I will do my best at the position I now am in. Thanks again! --W.marsh 03:03, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

IMGrammarBot
Thanks for bringing that to my attention; I wasn't even aware there was an article about it! -Wild Bill 04:52, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations!
Congratulations! It's my pleasure to let you know that, consensus being reached, you are now an administrator. You should read the relevant policies and other pages linked to from the administrators' reading list before carrying out tasks like deletion, protection, banning users, and editing protected pages such as the Main Page. Most of what you do is easily reversible by other sysops, apart from page history merges and image deletion, so please be especially careful with those. You might find the new administrators' how-to guide helpful. Cheers! -- 00:37, 26 December 2005 (UTC)




 * I'm glad to see you got the keys to the magic mop and bucket. :) Segv11 (talk/contribs) 06:18, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Me too. Congrats - and no problem with the support :) Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  07:12, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Well done! I hope you enjoy your new abilities, but don't let the trolls or other nasties around here get to you! enochlau (talk) 07:28, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Great! congratualtions, and a happy New Year to you and your family. Let us continue to make wikipedia better than the best. --Bhadani 07:35, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Congratulations! You wont let me down...  Ban e  s  07:42, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Congratulations. And most welcome. -Aabha (talk) 07:56, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
 * You are welcome .Congratulations. May you and your family have a great new year.-- <font color="##6698FF">Dak <font color="##FBB117">ota   <font color="##6698FF">?    <font color="##66CC00">e   08:01, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Congratulations, and you're very welcome! Happy New Year and happy editing from King of All the Franks 11:10, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete ... I mean... congratulations and you're welcome. ;) PJM 12:37, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Add my voice to the crowd above. Ifnord 14:54, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Congratulations. --« Wikiacc » 15:40, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Congrats and your successful rfa! -- Jbamb 17:02, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep (keep up the good work that is!) ++Lar 22:23, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Congratulations! Welcome aboard! -- Joe Beaudoin Jr. <sup style="font-variant:small-caps;">Think out loud 22:39, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Congratulations. :) I've decided to return after Chinese New Year, btw. - Mailer Diablo 10:33, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Congrats to you, your support was well deserved. --Deathphoenix 19:05, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Hubert H. Humphrey Institute of Public Affairs
''You tagged this article to be speedily deleted after you merged it into University of Minnesota. FYI, in order to maintain author attribution as required by the GFDL, the proper thing to do after a merge is to redirect to the article where the content was merged, so I've taken the liberty of doing that for you here. Please keep that in mind for future reference. Thanks.''
 * Whoops! Thanks, now that i know I'll remember to do that next time. <font color="#FFFFFF" style="background: maroon;"> RasputinAXP talk contribs 19:04, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Code of honour etc.
Thanks for removing the speedy tag from Code of honour, I had no way of finding out what had previously been there with the recent changes on viewing deleted edits and figured it was better to make sure that a dicdef wasn't kept around if it had been deleted for that reason before.

On Compilations and Other Albums however, I'd stand with the speedy delete, see the afd page for a more verbose reason. - Bobet 00:28, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

My RfA
Thank you for supporting my successful RfA! Your trust means a great deal to me, and I promise to try my hardest to serve the community. &mdash;David Levy (formerly Lifeisunfair) 06:38, 28 December 2005 (UTC)