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Robert McClenon Can you provide me a few specifics about what specific areas of the article require change? I need just a bit more direction than the listing about what constitutes a C Class article contains. Thank youHollykatharine (talk) 16:56, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

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The article I posted on Augustus Post got a C grade and I would be happy to edit it but I don't know what the problem is. Is it a.) too much extraneous information, b.) too much/not enough description? c.) tone problems? d.)"original research"

I honestly don't know how it can have too much extraneous information and yet "would not provide a complete picture for even a moderately detailed study." If my article isn't detailed enough, honestly, I don't know what detailed means. How can it have too much extraneous information and not have enough information for a study?

Is the problem original research? I cited mostly newspapers.com and a lot of google books. I had maybe two things that came from archives, but that's not much in terms of substantive research. The bulk of the piece is neutral fact after neutral fact, put in chronological order. Now, there are sentences like "The country held it's breath as word of Hawley and Post's disappearance hit the front pages of newspapers." Is the problem "held it's breath" or "hit the front pages"? The articles I cited used the phrase "country holds it's breath." Is the right thing: "The country waited to find out what happened to the missing men."

Obviously I put time and effort into filling in a gap in aviation history, and want to get it right. I'm happy to revise it and have others do the same, but just guessing at what kinds of revisions are needed may not yield the result you are looking for.

Also, once I've tried to clean it up, how do I ask for it to be reassessed to see if it can get a higher grade?

I appreciate your help.

Hollykatharine (talk) 17:48, 19 June 2017 (UTC)


 * C-class isn't bad for an all-new article; in fact I would expect there are extremely few that start out with a higher assessment, and many that never make it to C-class at all. It's not comparable to school grades and not a reflection of your work - in part it depends on the subject and the available references, for example. B-class and higher assessments usually come with specific criteria. You can find a detailed assessment scale, including six criteria an article needs to meet for a B-class assessment, at WikiProject Council/Assessment FAQ. Please note that to be considered B-class, an article has to meet all six of those criteria. As a personal aside, I rather don't think the assessment itself is worth worrying about - it's a behind-the-scenes feature that has no direct impact on our readers' experience.
 * I can, however, point out some issues with the article that could be improved (and, if getting the article to B-class is your goal, probably should be improved):
 * It doesn't have a lead section. The lead is meant to summarize the article's content and to provide a short overview of the subject, partly for the casual reader who isn't really looking for in-depth information, partly to allow people to figure out whether they're in the right place at all - is this the Augustus Post they were looking for, or just someone else who happens to share the name? For now I'll turn the "Biography" section into the lead, but that may need further work to properly summarize the article.
 * It may need copyediting for spelling. There's a typo right in the first sentence, and a couple more that stood out to me (I'll fix those, but there may be more; I haven't checked the entire article).
 * Wikipedia does not use title case for section headings (or for article titles); so it should be "Personal life", not "Personal Life".
 * I didn't see the "held its breath" part, but it would indeed be problematic. Firstly, I rather doubt it's true that "the country held its breath" - was there a public minute of silence or something like that? And secondly, such flowery language doesn't belong in an encyclopedia article (that would also go for "hit the headlines" - we shouldn't aim for an exciting account, but for dry facts.
 * The article has inline external links. Those are discouraged; if the pages the link points to are meant to serve as references, they should be turned into footnotes. They should not, however, just provide context on a different topic (if we have an article on that different topic, add a link to the relevant Wikipedia article instead).
 * Some of the references need to be checked. In the current revision (which I'll edit in a moment), reference 53 is not what it's supposed to be and does not confirm what it's cited for.
 * As I mentioned throughout the above list, I'll fix some of those issues, but not all. Huon (talk) 18:46, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for your help. I have gone through and tried to make everything more concise, cull information and remove the kind of phrases discussed before. Hopefully it is better. I will work to keep following the style given as well. Is there more I can do now besides write a lead and look for typos? Thank you for all the specifics. They really help. Hollykatharine (talk) 18:54, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Augustus Post
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 * There are issues in the article that need resolving. They are listed at Talk:Augustus Post/GA1. Please respond to the comments, or your article will not be taken to Good article status. Thank you. Eddie891 Talk Work 18:47, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Looks better, but still could use citations at the end of every paragraph, not just the ones I marked. Eddie891 Talk Work 13:56, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Citations Added throughout
I apologize for my slow response. I have added citations at the end of every paragraph and to all of the affiliations and notable associates. Please let me know if these changes are adequate for the GA classification. Hollykatharine (talk) 23:41, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Augustus Post
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