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December 2017
Hello, I'm Jim1138. I noticed that you made a change to an article, The Four Preps, but you didn't provide a source. I’ve removed it for now, but if you’d like to include a citation to a reliable source and re-add it, please do so! If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. Jim1138 (talk) 05:42, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

Weird, I wrote a response here and it disappeared!

Anyhow, the edits I made on THE FOUR PREPS page all come directly from founding member of the group BRUCE BELLAND. It doesn't get any closer to the source than that -- he lived it (and is still around to tell about it)! I work with Bruce and maintain THE FOUR PREPS website as well as help him with his newsletters and other things tech. This Wikipedia editing is new for me, so let me know what we need to do to get the facts verified and the page updated with the changes I submitted yesterday. Thanks! --Rob

Hollywoodwikieditor (talk) 05:23, 4 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Please see wp:no original research. Information needs to be wp:verifiable. As your own knowledge is not verifiable, it should not be used. Significant information needs to wp:cite a wp:reliable source. See help:referencing for beginners and help:footnotes. wp:RefToolbar/2.0 makes it easy to add sources. Thank you Jim1138 (talk) 21:32, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

What a clunky interface this is! Yikes! Strange everyone on here is so anonymous and people can't just email each other.

Anyhow, I was looking at the articles regarding "verifiable sources" and wonder how the existing info on The Four Preps page was verified, because THERE ARE CERTAIN ERRORS!!!

I just got this in an email from Bruce Belland, who is the only living member and an original founding member of the group:

"The first sentence or two are from my new version.    Then it goes right back to their old version which is riddled with mistakes and errors as it’s always been.     Please do whatever needs to be done ASAP to get my new version posted.     If they want to edit or shorten it – fine - but let’s, at least, get it edited based on the facts which are only correct in my new version and see if we can squeeze in a little more text.     EXAMPLE: Among other things, they list the current Preps personnel as including JOE DICKEY and SKIP TAYLOR who haven’t been in the group for over 3 years.     Again, the correct names are in my new version.     If it calls for me to discuss the whole entry with someone at Wiki – I’m happy to have that conversation."

We'd really like to improve the page with corrections and enhancements, and these come from first-hand knowledge. Perhaps we should add the correct version to The Four Preps website, then we can reference that as the source?

Hollywoodwikieditor (talk) 02:16, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

All the correct info for The Four Preps Wikipedia page (which was made with previous edits but you blocked/undid them) can be referenced on The Four Preps website, using the link on the left called "WIKI-BIO" which links to: http://thefourpreps.com/4_preps_wiki-bio-2017.htm

Hollywoodwikieditor (talk) 03:06, 11 December 2017 (UTC)


 * You need to add the citation to the page, preferably with the information you add. First-hand knowledge is not verifiable, so it should not be used (without a citation to a reliable source, of course). Information from an email is not verifiable as the source can not be ascertained. If you have questions, I would suggest asking on wp:Teahouse as I may not be around. Cheers Jim1138 (talk) 03:55, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

If you look at the 7th reference on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Four_Preps you will see this:

7. "THE FOUR PREPS BIO". thefourpreps.com.

So, therefore, the info on http://thefourpreps.com/4_preps_wiki-bio-2017.htm should be acceptable.

Hollywoodwikieditor (talk) 06:49, 13 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, no. Using Wikipedia as a reference for Wikipedia is wp:CIRCULAR. Wikipedia, being wp:selfpublished is not a wp:reliable source. http://thefourpreps.com/4_preps_wiki-bio-2017.htm obviously came from Wikipedia. Kind of like Rule 1) The Boss is always right. Rule 2) When in doubt, refer to rule no 1! Cheers Jim1138 (talk) 07:34, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

How, then, do you explain this:

If you look at the 7th reference on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Four_Preps you will see this:

7. "THE FOUR PREPS BIO". thefourpreps.com.

That "FOUR PREPS BIO" is written by Bruce Belland. All the changes I am trying to implement come directly from Bruce. You keep un-doing the absolutely accurate corrections that come right from the source!

Hollywoodwikieditor (talk) 05:38, 14 December 2017 (UTC)


 * With this edit, you removed seven sources and replaced them with a single source: http://thefourpreps.com/4_preps_wiki-bio-2017.htm Note the "wiki-bio" portion? That's Wikipedia, i.e. wp:CIRCULAR. The links all point to Wikipedia pages. Perhaps you meant to use http://thefourpreps.com/4_preps_bio-2012.htm? Unfortunately, that is a wp:primary source, is wp:selfpublished and is possibly self-serving. Therefore, it does not make for a wp:reliable source. I would suggest you find secondary sources that are, preferably, under editorial review and don't have that sort of issues. Complicated? May I suggest you ask at the wp:teahouse to confirm this? Cheers Jim1138 (talk) 06:42, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

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