User talk:Holmgir

COI
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Before attempting to write an article again, please make sure that the topic meets the notability criteria linked above, and check that you can find independent third party sources. Also read Your first article. You must also reply to the COI request above Jimfbleak - talk to me?  05:58, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Huh? I'm usually only contributing in de:WP. There's BTW no COI, as i'm not related to any company. I'm a private user like most people here. Regards --Die42 (talk) 08:52, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for COI clarification. Many people writing about companies or organisations do in fact have a COI, so it's a question you are bound to be asked. The rest of the points still apply. The rules at en-wiki are much stricter than de-wiki, and any copied text that doesn't allow all uses, including commercial cant be posted here. Also, you will see that the notability requirements are more rigorous too Jimfbleak - talk to me?  10:19, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't even know what your talk on COI or writing about companies is all about. My answer to you here on this page was my first contribution to en:WP --Die42 (talk) 11:48, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
 * You are forgetting your previous editing as . Please don't create any more accounts Jimfbleak - talk to me?  05:56, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Dude, I don't know WTF you're smoking! This account never was under my control. I never used any other account than "Die42" in en:WP. PERIOD! --Die42 (talk) 07:13, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I think it's you that has the memory lapse. You and that editor posted exactly the same lengthy text, absolutely verbatim with the same formatting and links, it's beyond belief that two genuinely independent editors have posted completely identical long articles. I've not taken any action yet about the potential abuse of multiple accounts, but if I can't believe what you are saying, perhaps there is more of a problem than I thought Jimfbleak - talk to me?  14:18, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Once again, I am not identical with ! This is my userpage on DE, This is my list of contribs on DE! If you're that convinced of me being that other user, feel free to try to prove it via check-user. You'll be surprised i'm telling the truth. And after that you'll apologize!. EoD! --Die42 (talk) 15:21, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

Hmmm. Die Fern-Uni hat augenscheinlich das hier erstellt, und zwar 2x. Bei Dir wurde auch irgendwas gelöscht, allerdings keine Seitenerstellung. Was war das denn? Grüße vom Sänger ♫ (talk) 16:18, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Wüsste ich auch mal gerne. Aber was der "Herr Admin" da von sich gibt, fällt für mich schon fast unter Üble Nachrede --Die42 (talk) 16:54, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
 * This is a copy of the log with irrelevant edits Bots etc) omitted

(diff) 01:57, August 2, 2019. . Diannaa (talk | contribs | block) 1,172 bytes (Requesting speedy deletion (CSD G12). (TW)) Tag: PHP7 (diff) 01:56, August 2, 2019. . Diannaa (talk | contribs | block) 1,110 bytes (remove copyright content copied from http://www.esemp.de/history_en.html) Tag: PHP7 (diff) 01:54, August 2, 2019. . Diannaa (talk | contribs | block) 2,845 bytes (remove copyright content copied from http://www.esemp.de/about_en.html) Tag: PHP7 (diff) 11:36, July 31, 2019. . Die42 (talk | contribs | block) 4,266 bytes (was wrong language in de:WP) (diff) 10:23, July 31, 2019. . FernUniP1Bo (talk | contribs | block) 4,225 bytes (←Created page with '{{Löschen|1= Falsche Sprache –– 42 (CVU) 11:12, 14. Aug. 2018 (CES...') Tag: PHP7 (diff) 10:33, August 14, 2018 . . FernUniP1Bo (talk | contribs | block) 4,569 bytes (←Created page with ' {{subst:AFC submission/draftnew}} {{Löschen|1= Falsche Sprache –– User:Die...')

I can assure you that the postings by you and FernUniP1Bo were identical to the letter. Now Sänger ♫ seems to be suggesting that there is an innocent explanation for this. Although I can't imagine how that could happen, I'm prepared to accept that may be the case, since otherwise it's difficult to imagine why you would protest so vehemently about something that seems so apparently easy to prove. Thank you for providing the de-wiki links above, it seems that you are indeed editing in good faith, although how that article history came to be as it is I have no idea, cheers Jimfbleak - talk to me?  06:22, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Looks for me as if they had done something to the article created by FernUniP1Bo, probably something about the enWP-version of de:Europäische Gesellschaft für frühneuzeitliche Philosophie.
 * de:Benutzer:FernUniP1Bo on the other hand is an officially verified account of the FernUniversität in Hagen, Institut für Philosophie, as you can see on their deWP-user page, so that account could have a COI, but has declared this towards OTRS. How this could perhaps cure some URV is not for me to decide.
 * Bot have changed their user names, and that's the only page they have in common on deWP:, but considerably at different times. Grüße vom Sänger ♫ (talk) 08:03, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

I got aware of this discussion as Die42 was calling for help at de:wp. Three observations: --AFBorchert (talk) 12:54, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
 * The edit from 10:23, July 31, 2019 by FernUniP1Bo in the log above comes with an interesting auto-generated edit summary: “ Created page with '{{Löschen|1= Falsche Sprache –– 42 (CVU) 11:12, 14. Aug. 2018 (CES...') Tag: PHP7 ”. As this looks like a speedy deletion request from de:wp I checked de:wp and found at de:ESEMP (European Society for Early Modern Philosophy) a deleted English-language article, created by FernUniP1Bo on 14 August 2018 with a speedy deletion request by Die42 which was posted one minute later. The last revision of that deleted article including the speedy deletion request has exactly 4,225 bytes which matches those of the log entry from 10:23, July 31, 2019:
 * (Unterschied) 11:12, 14. Aug. 2018 . . Die42 (Diskussion | Beiträge | Sperren) 4.225 Bytes (SLA+)
 * (Unterschied) 11:11, 14. Aug. 2018 . . FernUniP1Bo (Diskussion | Beiträge | Sperren) 4.059 Bytes (Inhalt des deutschen ESEMP-Eintrags, auf englisch, Quelle: http://www.esemp.de/index_en.html) Markierung: Visuelle Bearbeitung: Gewechselt)
 * Die42 posts very frequently speedy deletion requests for newly created articles at de:wp. (We do not have a draft space at de:wp, all users including IPs can create articles which makes a patrol of new pages essential.)
 * There appears to exist just one deleted edit by Die42 at en:wp which is refered to in the log above at 11:36, July 31, 2019. I do not have access to deleted contents at en:wp but from the log it appears that the byte count just increased from 4,225 to 4,266 by 41 bytes. This does not look like an edit where the entire article was reposted as claimed above by Jimfbleak. This edit came with the edit summary was wrong language in de:WP – could this have been in response to the misplaced speedy deletion template?


 * Thanks for ping. Even after reading the above it's not entirely clear to me what happened, but I'm happy to accept that everyone was acting in good faith. It's arguable that the FernUniP1Bo account is a violation of en-wiki's user name policy, but in the circumstances, perhaps that can of worms should stay shut Jimfbleak - talk to me?  15:48, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi Jimfbleak, when FernUniP1Bo re-created the draft it still included the speedy deletion request by Die42 along with the signature of Die42. My guess is that this generated a cross-wiki echo notification for Die42 who appeared to follow the notification and subsequently edited the article: {{tq|1=11:36, July 31, 2019 . . Die42 (talk {{!}} contribs {{!}} block) 4,266 bytes (was wrong language in de:WP)}}. I asked Die42 if this could have been the case and Die42 agrees that this is possible, that indeed the edit summary was wrong language rung a bell but that he does no longer remember exactly what happened. You could still verify this by following the diff-link of this mysterious edit which added 41 bytes. Regards, AFBorchert (talk) 17:06, 5 August 2019 (UTC)