User talk:Holofcener

Conflict of interest and autobiography
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Thank you, Mike! I am really confused! There have been many articles written about Lawrence Holofcener over the years in 3 countries. His sculpture and artistic careers are well-documented in both the UK and the US. I simply thought that having all of the information in one place, rather than Google, would be helpful. Shall I re-write the article and let Wikipedia decide for themselves. I had linked all of his public works as well in the bio. It was quite complete, if I do say so myself. Thanks for your advice. It has been most helpful!```` — Preceding unsigned comment added by Holofcener (talk • contribs) — Holofcener (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Your best bet is to request that an article be written by a neutral uninvolved third party. Such requests are filed at Wikipedia:Articles for creation. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  19:51, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

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Thank you! This is very helpful to me.````
 * Please indent using a colon - and you were talking to a roBOT! Kittybrewster  &#9742;  20:34, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Trying to help, not criticise
Can you add references please - and avoid "peacock terms" unless referenced. Kittybrewster  &#9742;  19:56, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, Kitty! I'll have to look up what peacock terms are and will delete them. There are many links to Holofcener's works, but I lost everything and have not had time to redo all the links. Also on Wikipedia there are many references to his works over the years. Do I need to link to all of them? Thanks for your help!````
 * Links directly to Wikipedia do not constitute sources; but those articles may themselves be sourced to articles that are of utility here. (By the way, you've still not got the hang of signing your posts; look like you aren't shifting, so you type ` instead of ~!) -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  20:44, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Everything you have uploaded is copyright http://www.marypenley.com/artists/artist.php?artistid=2 That doesn't mean you can't use it but it does mean you must rewrite it. Kittybrewster  &#9742;  20:58, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Look at "what links here" under Larry Holofcener. And be prepared to have your work savaged by other editors. Kittybrewster  &#9742;  21:19, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Note also that marypenley.com is not going to be considered a reliable source, since it's a site dedicated to selling Holofcener's products. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  21:23, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
 * The dearth here is certainly references from reliable sources. Reliable sources don't have to be on the internet but they must be inependant of the subject and not a casual reference. Kittybrewster  &#9742;  09:05, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Who says the Upstairs at the Downstairs is famous? Highly acclaimed is another peacock and unencyclopedic term. Kittybrewster  &#9742;  10:50, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
 * idlta.com and answers.com are not reliable sources. Kittybrewster  &#9742;  19:00, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I recognise him as a renaissance man; I would like to meet him. Kittybrewster  &#9742;  19:14, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments. We will be at the *********** Hotel (www.****.com) on the ************* where we lived for many years from the first of *****. Do be in touch! Thank you! How am I doing? Any better?Holofcener (talk) 19:24, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
 * You are doing fine. Kittybrewster  &#9742;  19:28, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Thank you! Question: You say tht idlta.com can't be used as a reference. However, on the Applause page, it gives the reviews, etc. with names of newspapers and dates. I can't use that? Thanks for the extra help.Holofcener (talk) 19:36, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
 * you can use the reviews +newspapers and dates as a source. But don't refer it to idlta.com - rather to the newspaper, which IS independent of you. Kittybrewster  &#9742;  19:47, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Goodness, can you tell I'm getting tired. Pardon the typos.  Also you mention Mary Penley's website.  I don't know where I have used her as a reference, and anything she has on her website came from us anyway.Holofcener (talk) 19:39, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
 * you quoted from her website and she coprighted it. that makes it a copyvio. And as you say it came from you which is not a reliable source. Kittybrewster  &#9742;  19:47, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Thank you! Next question: Where have I used her as a source?Holofcener (talk) 19:59, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Sculptor sectiion. direct quote. and the robots will pick up on it. and have. probably modified enogh now. Kittybrewster  &#9742;  20:08, 11 December 2010 (UTC)