User talk:HommieDaKlown

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nuclear winter criticism
1987 New York Times - SCIENCE AND POLITICS: 'NUCLEAR WINTER' CLASH

1990 New York Times - Nuclear Winter Theorists Pull Back "Even Dr. Richard P. Turco, the physicist who coined the phrase nuclear winter, discounts the idea."

2006 American Thinker - Climate of Fear: From Nuclear Winter to Global Warming

KGB possibly involved in the idea of Nuclear Winter
Sergei Tretyakov is considered a credible source for information from the Soviet Union and current day Russian intelligence and counter-intelligence activities by the United States Government so much so that he received the largest resettlement package for any defector during or after the Cold War. Sergei Tretyakov is the highest ranking KGB or SVR officer to defect to the United States.

Not saying this is gospel and don't present it as such but it certainly worth mentioning rather than suppressing it outright. I don't understand what other requirements are needed. I have listed the correct bibliographical information and followed that up with additional links that attest to the credibility of the source. What else needs to be added or cleaned up to include this bit of information on the subject? It looks like I get one more revert in this 24 hour period.

Sergei Tretyakov and Pete Earley with CSPAN

NPR Article and Audio interview with Sergei Tretyakov and Pete Earley

Sergei Tretyakov on 'Bob Edwards Weekend' Audio embed

2008 National Post - Coming in from the cold

2008 Global Security - Russia denounces allegations by spy defector in U.S. book

1974 Kondratyev's Spectral radiative flux divergence and its variability in the troposphere in the 0.4-2.4-micrometer region

HommieDaKlown (talk) 01:14, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Still waiting for comments, your talk page says if you've left a comment you'll be watching my page.

What conditions need to be met so we can reach an agreement? I don't want this viewpoint entirely suppressed out of existence especially with a credible wittiness attached to it. I have citations and supporting articles.

HommieDaKlown (talk) 18:11, 18 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Slightly crossed wires. OK, here I am. - this is promo for the book. So is . Neither even consider the NW issue improtant enough to mention.  doesn't even mention Nuclear Winter, and is anyway denouncing the book as wrong - you can't use that in support! William M. Connolley (talk) 20:53, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

In at least two of the 3 audio interviews they mention nuclear winter. These links or more to attest to the sources' credibility and authenticity. A real life KGB/SVR insider that was around for the end of the Cold War. You realize that this man is putting his life on the line by making these claims.

HommieDaKlown (talk) 02:32, 19 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Putting yourself at risk doesn't get you or your theories into wikipedia. I read the sources you provided. They didn't support what you need. No, I'm not going to listen through unknown amounts of audio interview listening for something I don't know exactly what. If the issue is notable, why don't the print media mention it? And... this discussion is probably better held at NW so others can see it William M. Connolley (talk) 14:42, 19 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I checked your sources and some other Russian sources on the history of nuclear winter theory. Nothing contradicts version of Comrade J in my opinion. Please join discussion at the article talk page if you want.Biophys (talk) 01:38, 21 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Almost all links you provided above are good sources about Tretiakov. However, they tell nothing specifically about the Nuclear winter and the KGB. Only book by Tretiakov does. If you can find more sources specifically on this subject, please do.Biophys (talk) 01:55, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

3rr
Just making sure that you are aware of WP:3RR William M. Connolley (talk) 20:28, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Edit Warring
Could you please include yourself in this discussion? Thanks,  D u s t i speak and be heard! 20:59, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

I am sorry
Hi HommieDaKlown! I honestly tried to help you out, especially since you edited in a good faith and obvioulsy tried to improve an article by adding sourced and relevant content. I do not know your interests, but there are two possible things to do. First, to leave WP for good and save some nerves (that is what I am going to do). Second, try to edit something else. A general advice is to add more sourced content in the articles you are interested in. But as you can see, all your good faith work can be deleted at will, no matter how sourced and relevant your content was. There are good rules in WP, but people simply do not follow them. I am sorry for that.Biophys (talk) 22:44, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Nuclear winter
I talked with William_M._Connolley to clarify his position:. I still believe his deletion of your well sourced text was against WP:NPOV policy. Note that your citation is not just something "Tretiakov said". You cite book by Earley (not Tretiakov). Not only Earley "endorsed" version by Tretiakov, but he developed his version and wrote an entire chapter in the book describing nuclear winter as a probable disinformation story. He used Tretiakov only as one of his sources. The text is by Earley. If you do not want to give up, you can do the following. 1. Create a BLP article about Earley. He is a notable author of numerous books about espionage stories - you should be able to find enough third-party sources about him. 2. Create an article about book "Comrade J" - there are enough reviews about this book. 3. Create an article "Criticism of nuclear winter theory". The alleged KGB involvement would be only one of many criticisms of the original prediction by Sagan; main criticism would be scientific. If anyone nominates this "criticism" article for deletion, you move all content of this article to main article "Nuclear winter". If you follow this path. I can help you only a little bit, because I am not really interested in this subject. There is nothing else I can do at this point.Biophys (talk) 15:20, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
 * If you are interested in WP policies, please pay attention to that. Biophys (talk) 01:46, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Another possibility would be to create article Alernative theory of nuclear winter and desctibe the version by Earley in that article.Biophys (talk) 20:38, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Cooper Firearms
LOL! While I was responding on the article's talk page, the notification of your request came through! I hope my responses are clear. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  03:01, 30 October 2008 (UTC)