User talk:Hordaland/Archive 1

Archive page for July - December 2007

See Talk:Phase response curve.
On a personal note, I had a free-running Circadian clock for twenty years. I also had some issues with irregular sleep quality, where I would sleep a lot yet not feel rested. The later condition I treated for a while with amitriptyline (which helps to control burning-type pain), until that bothered my stomach too much, and I could only tolerate it irregularly. In the middle of June I switched to nortriptyline, which has a much lower side effect profile, but loses the sedative effect which was helpful in managing my free running circadian clock.

The loss of the sedative effect caused me to take another look at melatonin. My past experience with melatonin at bed time was that it made my circadian day even longer than it's normal 25 hours. I was sleeping too much and not productive. Three weeks ago I discovered a recently published paper which provides a protocol properly taking into account the melatonin PRC. I began a regime of taking 3mg melatonin in the early afternoon (10 hours after est. body temp. min.) I've been waking up in the morning ever since. The melatonin sometimes make me a bit dopey (varies from day to day) so I've allowed my timing to slide into the early evening, and it still seems to work, but not quite as well. Research shows that 1mg works just as well for entrainment, and can be taken later into the day without persisting within the body into the wrong half of the PRC. I have yet to find 1mg melatonin in Canada. I know Schiff offers this product in the U.S. and I once had a sleep specialist tell me that their quality control was better than many of the discount formulations.

As a point of reference, I didn't go three weeks at any point in the last twenty years without losing a day. If I attempted to force myself into a regular waking time, by the third week I would feel beyond terrible, and then suddenly I would go through a 28 hour waking period followed by 16 hours of sleep, and feel perfectly fine again, with all my clocks properly resynched. With melatonin in the afternon I wake up in the morning feeling the same every day and all the weird stuff has vanished.


 * Advancing Human Circadian Rhythms with Afternoon Melatonin and Morning Intermittent Bright Light

For a while I exposed myself to blue light in the morning as well. I have a LED lamp of exactly the right frequency of light. I tried this before, but light never has much effect on me, so I dropped it. The melatonin alone seems to work the trick for me.

If I'd found the PRC graph for melatonin ten years, the first time I researched sleep therapy extensively, it would have spared me another decade of free running. What's really irritating is that taking melatonin at bed time, as all the jetlag research used to suggest, tends to push the clock in the wrong direction, toward a later rising time. So it was a matter of the right drug, wrong regime.

DSPS runs in my family, I'm just the worst of the bunch. It could work for DSPS, too. MaxEnt 16:52, 18 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I found something of interest to you, but I went to your blog and couldn't find a contact link, and you don't have email enabled here, either. You snooze, you lose.  Well, I had to say that.  You can edit my talk page, that will get my attention.  I see your blog has info similar to what I wrote above concerning my own situation.  MaxEnt 00:17, 19 July 2007 (UTC)


 * email sent. MaxEnt 22:58, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Article on chronotypes
Thank you for your suggestion, on the talk page for chronobiology, that there could be a a Wikipedia article on chronotypes. This is a good idea, but we would have to ensure that it would not simply be a replication of what is covered elsewhere in Wikipedia. I would prefer not to start the page myself, though, as I think it would need attention from an expert chronobiologist, with a good idea of the up-to-date questionnaires to assess larks and owls. ACEOREVIVED 17:04, 29 October 2007 (UTC) Thank you for staring this article, it looks really good. Do not worry about the Horne and Ostberg paper - I can assure that I have read it. Many thanks again for your good article, ACEOREVIVED 20:53, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Great job on Chronotype, Hordaland. — Athaenara ✉  05:15, 6 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Many thanks to all for positive response. I could become addicted to Wikipedia, I think. Hordaland 16:46, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Blog
Yes, you may include a link to your blog on your user page :) Good to see Chronotype on the Main Page today; I'm sure a few people who read it and suddenly understand themselves a lot better. Best wishes, Kla’quot (talk | contribs) 04:03, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Appreciation

 * WOW, thanks! What a lovely message to wake up to.  You're the pioneer.  Knowing that you're here and keeping tabs has meant the world.  By comparison, I haven't been able to find a single interested person to work with, trying to clean up the mess on the one Norwegian WP, having done a piece on what needs doing.  So I'm starting fresh on the smaller WP here, where there was nothing on sleep except for apnea, and still isn't a word on circadian rhythms.
 * Thanks again! Hordaland (talk) 09:29, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

SAD
Hi,

I left a reply for you on Talk:Seasonal affective disorder. Note that your action didn't really need a posting on the talk page, an edit summary would have sufficed (just to save you a bit of time). I do think your interpretation of the comment may be a bit incorrect, but since I don't have the original article (and I'm willing to bet that the article itself cited another article rather than saying so itself) I won't be reverting. WLU (talk) 21:16, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Looking for help
To whom it may concern!

Fairly new user here, minimally computer-savvy and with virtually no experience working with images. (But I've sure learned a lot working here lately!) I do not have the capacity to learn to work with images at this time.

I've drawn a couple of graphs in Paint, at least one of which I'd like someone to convert to an acceptable format and upload to Commons for me, if possible. But first, someone knowledgeable should evaluate if it violates Copyright.

The drawing can be seen at the top of a (unfinished) blog entry here with an older version  here  (I must learn to do prettier links than this...)(Haha, I just did!  13 Dec. 07)

The information contained in it is from several sources and lots of reading. The only thing I think might involve copyright is the double bright light / dim light curve (purple) which is only a bit reworked from a Harvard illustration. I've drawn it, only increasing the amplitude, adding color and a bit more. Could that be a copyright violation?

Next, please see bottom of the talk page for Phase response curve (PRC) where the (claimed) original author of the drawing now in the article likes mine better than her/his own. PRCs are difficult enough to understand and to explain, even with a drawing. It's just about necessary.

Could I send the Paint file by e-mail to someone who'd do the work to convert and upload it? Would sure appreciate it. Thanks. Hordaland (talk) 23:20, 10 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I think you would be fine by using it but also state some of your sources in the description of the image probably. --cmelbyetalk! 03:52, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi Hordaland, do you still need the files converted and uploaded to Commons? Feel free to send them to me at klaquot @ gmail dot com, and I'll do it for you. Cheers, Kla’quot (talk | contribs) 04:17, 11 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Sent! And now I know that helpme actually works, how very nice.  Thank you, Kla'quot! Hordaland (talk) 05:35, 11 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi Hordaland, I have converted the image and am ready to upload it to Commons. Can you leave a note here saying what license you would like to use for the image? If you're not sure, I suggest the GFDL which is what is used for all your text contributions to Wikipedia. I will credit it to User:Hordaland unless you prefer something else. Cheers, Kla’quot (talk | contribs) 09:45, 13 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Good. I don't need any credit (unless it's required, in which case your suggestion is OK), and whatever license Wikipedia/media likes best is fine.  I'd bcc'd it to myself at work and printed it out there just today.  Even in B/W one can (just barely) see the differences among the three colors.  Now I'll have to learn to upload it to my corresponding Norwegian articles from Commons.  What fun.
 * Thanks so much! Hordaland (talk) 14:25, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

You're most welcome. I've put it on Phase response curve. Are you planning to create Norwegian versions for those articles, or use the English version? Kla’quot (talk | contribs) 06:13, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Must admit I hadn't thought of translating the small text bits. I've now added the image (sans thumb|) to the bottom of Døgnrytmeforstyrrelse (Circadian rhythm disturbance) in Bokmål. (Nice to not have to put the word 'sleep' in the title; it's circadian rhythms plural which are disturbed, not just the one for sleep.)
 * It was no chore translating the few English words within the otherwise necessary instructions on using a PRC.
 * Haven't got 'round to the other Norwegian language, Nynorsk, yet.