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Good Job Dude
Heya, this is Thecheesykid here. Just thought I'd say that I think you're doing a great job on the Rita Bennett article and... keep it up. I'll make sure to cross-edit anything you do, to check for mistakes... teamwork! And I just thought I'd give you this for your efforts.

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Lydia Hart
Hello I've decided to comnplete the changes you requested at Talk:Lydia Hart/GA1. Happy editing. :) RAIN*the*ONE  BAM 18:50, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for passing the article. :)--AcidBrights (talk) 12:23, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Dexter episode images
Hey dude! TheCheesyKid here, I'm just wondering, if I create all the episode articles for Dexter, since you have the seasons, would you upload images for those articles with a non-free use media rationale? That Ole' Cheesy Dude (Talk to the hand!) 20:12, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Cool! Yeah, already, it'd be great if you could upload the images for Crocodile, Circle of Friends and Hello, Dexter Morgan and I realise it's possible that My Bad might be difficult to do, so forget that one. But, I plan to make a few more episode articles... so, I'll keep you posted ;) Thanks very much. ^___^ That Ole' Cheesy Dude (Talk to the hand!) 20:22, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Wow. That's really awesome and the My Bad image is good too. Thanks so much :) That Ole' Cheesy Dude (Talk to the hand!) 21:07, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Barnstar
Your welcome. The one problem I notice in the page is the lack of references. You can use the episodes as reference. Just make sure you add something. JDDJS (talk) 02:19, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Copyedit
Hi

No problem - if there are any mistakes feel free to undo and re-edit. I undid my first changes back to "Rita" as the TV MoS, although not saying that the first names are normal, confirmed using first names is normal on TV pages - discussion here.

Hope all goes well with the GA !

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Steph Cunningham
Thanks for the review, yeah it went a real tough review before. The review began a month ago, but the suggestions were bad IMO. However I withdrew it, had some massive help from a really good editor who turned everything around. RAIN*the*ONE  BAM05:17, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Glee Images
I posted Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Television/Glee_task_force, in which I specifically mention you. Your input is welcome. C T J F 8 3 13:56, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Rita Bennett
Hey HorrorFan121. Just in case you haven't put it on your watchlist, I wanted to direct you to a comment I made at the Rita Bennet GAN page. I'd like to hear your thoughts on this so we can overcome this one concern I have before moving on with the rest of the review. —  Hun ter  Ka  hn 14:44, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

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Quinn Fabray
Thanks for your answers, I did see them but had to be elsewhere. I'm almost done, but will probably have a couple more questions. Have to do other stuff for a while (real life intrudes on Wikilife, eh?).

Regards Peter S Strempel  &#124;  Talk   01:45, 29 March 2011 (UTC)


 * OK, the copyedit is done. There are a couple of comments/questions for you to resolve, but unless you need me to do anything else, I'm done.  I'll wait to hear from you, then close out the job on the guild page and wish you the best of luck for the next step in the article's journey.  Regards  Peter S Strempel  &#124;  Talk   15:03, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

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Blaine
Hey! I didn't think I was going to have time for it, but I've adapted Blaine's lead to reflect all the new content added. It should be ready to face GA whenever you want to nominate it. Is it okay with you if I consider it a joint nomination? I've been burnt out on Glee articles lately, but I feel like a put a lot of effort into adding content along the way :)

As an aside, that's a beautiful picture of Heather Morris you found! It's such a shame the others in the set are copyrighted. Something likethis would have made a great image for Kurt Hummel - he looks very stylised and Kurt-esque! Frickative 22:30, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

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Kurt Hummel
If Rachel gets to have the S2 promotional image for her article, why does Kurt have to a S1 screenshot for his article? And how does the screenshot represent his character any better than the promotional photo does? --DrBat (talk) 03:56, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
 * What about this photo or this one (especially since it's the same one as the one he's wearing in the screenshot), then? --DrBat (talk) 19:23, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, thank you. --DrBat (talk) 20:07, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

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Sorry.
Sorry I kind of messed up.

Sorry.
Sorry I kind of messed up. — Preceding unsigned comment added byTazerflip (talk • contribs) 06:08, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Your post to WT:GLEE
I strongly recommend you remove "How awesome would it be to have a featured article for Glee?" from your post, so it doesn't look like you are Canvassing for support....or the post all together, if people have Kurt on their watchlist, they will know he is up for a FAC. C T J F 8 3 23:37, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I guess removing it all together is a little much. :) C T J F 8 3  23:42, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
 * No problem, I definitely want the main gay character to be an FA...just don't want anything to derail it, especially your seemingly harmless above removed comment. :) C T J F 8 3  23:44, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Smiley tiem!
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Don't (block)quote me on this, but ...
Why have you removed some blockquotes and not others? AFAIK, they should be used for any long multi-sentence quotes.Clarityfiend (talk) 19:57, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Lead
I felt it was too detailed and too long. A more summarized version would be better I think. But if you like what you have done and want to keep it, I will not revert again. --BweeB (talk) 08:37, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Great, cut it down and then add. --BweeB (talk) 06:34, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I saw that you added text to the lead. I trimmed it down a bit and we can let the article fill in more of the details.--BweeB (talk) 06:52, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Darla review
Responded to your Peer Review request. Hope I could be of some help. -- James26 (talk) 22:33, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi. I'm literally right in the middle of working on an article for my own PR/GA nomination. I'll try to take a look at the Darla article soon. -- James26 (talk) 04:21, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

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Kurt Hummel page copyedit
I just did the first installment of a copyedit on the Kurt Hummel article, making sure I addressed items in the review and did any other smoothing I felt appropriate. (I'm starting this here because the "Finn Hudson" section on Frickative's page is overloaded with topics; I figured if more than half a dozen entries, including an outdent, had occurred, we were better off with a separate talk section.) It's all in the three-paragraph intro; let me know what you think. I'm still working on the awards section of the third intro paragraph, but wanted this out there now, as I have to go out for a few hours. The one thing I did drop was Kurt being near the bottom of the school hierarchy; I figured it could be addressed in the article, but if you think it's important, a new sentence can be inserted in the first paragraph. The problem was in addressing the issue, since it was ameliorated briefly by stints as a football player and a cheerleader, but the intro didn't seem the right place for that kind of depth. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:16, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Nice work on fixing up the lead! :) The other user hasn't sent me a reply yet about my question, but I hope she will soon.HorrorFan121 (talk) 02:42, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm glad you like it. I made another pass on those paragraphs—don't know whether you saw the new changes before you wrote your reply, or if I made the edits just as you were posting the above—and I think they're in decent shape now. My only question would be whether to mention the show's awards in that paragraph; to credit the "Best Comedy Show" Golden Globe wins to "the writers", as was originally done, didn't work for me, and with the writers gone, I wonder whether the show's awards should be in the intro at all. I almost removed that final sentence in my edit a few minutes ago, but wanted to check with you before I did.


 * Be sure to let me know right away if she accepts so I can put any further work on hold; we don't want any chance of competing or simultaneous edits... BlueMoonset (talk) 02:51, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I believe we should leave the part about Glee winning for best series. I believe it was brought up in either the previous peer review or FAC to include it in the lead. I can check on that. I'll let you know first thing if I hear from her. ;) HorrorFan121(talk) 02:57, 3 August 2011 (UTC)


 * All the copyediting thusfar looks great! Without actually double-checking the PRs and FAC (so I could be wrong!) I think the show award came up because it said in the lead the writers had been praised and/or awarded, but specifics weren't mentioned anywhere else in the article. I'd lean towards taking that part out, because it's not specific to Kurt, and as the show's won over 60 awards, singling out one (albeit one of the most prestigious) could be considered non-representative. On the other hand, mentioning one or two of the LGBT-oriented awards (I think there have been two GLAAD wins?) might be more relevant to Kurt, especially if the awarding body made mention of his storyline as an influencing factor. I'll have a dig around and let you know if I find anything. Frickative  11:50, 3 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Frickative, that makes sense to me, now that the writers as a separate mention (really Murphy/Falchuk/Brennan as writers/creators/producers) are gone from the awards section at the end of the lead. Since Bejinhan has just started her edits, I'll hold off any further work until she's done (and there may be nothing left to do when she's finished); there's plenty else to work on. :-)BlueMoonset (talk) 13:55, 3 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Incidentally, the GLAAD wins aren't mentioned anywhere on the page—they should probably be added to the Accolades section if you're remembering correctly—but it just occurred to me that this year's Time 100 Most Influential People award should certainly be added to the lead. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:07, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
 * That could be a good idea to swap with the GLAAD wins, especially since they would pertain to Kurt and his storyline on the show.HorrorFan121 (talk) 19:57, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, I just replaced the show award in the lead with Chris's Time 100 info (a slight variant on what appears in the "Accolades" section). Still waiting on the rest, and leaving fingerprints all over the majority of season two episode articles in the interim...BlueMoonset (talk) 04:17, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, I just checked it out. The GLAAD wins should be added, I believe. I'm surprised they're not there now.HorrorFan121 (talk) 06:59, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

RE: Kurt Hummel
Sure, I'll see what I can do. Bejinhan  talks   13:37, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Finn Hudson
I'm afraid I may have messed things up.

I just added a whole bunch of material to the Finn Hudson page, with more to come once I've gotten some sleep—it really needs fleshing out, especially the music info I added to the lead—and I discovered right after posting it that you had just nominated the page for GA. The problem is, what I just did, while good material, wrecks the possibility of a GA if it starts today.

There shouldn't be anything in the lead that isn't elaborated on in the article, and the music information there is the basis of something larger that I'm only tonight starting to work on. I should, perhaps, have held off posting it tonight, but I was on a roll, and composing on screen. It's going to be another day or two before the full section is in shape to add, but as Finn is the male lead of New Directions, I think it's important to give him a section not unlike what Kurt and Blaine have in their articles. (Hell, I think all the characters who sing any significant number of solos should have one; I'm very surprise Rachel doesn't have a dedicated section.) I can, however, probably get something up tomorrow that at least contains that material with a little initial elaboration on additional songs, and some charting info as well.

In similar fashion, I was hoping you wouldn't mind if I tried to rebalance the Reception section so there's more about Finn in the second half of the first season and the second season: while I've added that quote about "Furt" so there's something for the latter, I wanted to check in for "Theatricality" or "Hell-O" or "The Power of Madonna", and then for "Grilled Cheesus" and maybe "Silly Love Songs" or "Funeral" in season two, since those show Finn at his best and worst.

But you're the point person on Finn, and have been working on Glee articles far longer than I have. Let me know what you'd like to do at this juncture, and I'll work with it. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:27, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, shoot. Hang on I can go quickly revert my nomination on the talk page. They usually get snatched up quick.HorrorFan121 (talk) 08:06, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, so I just left a message on Rob's talk page asking if he could hold off on the review, as he already took it on. I think that should be perfectly fine, so you can go ahead and add the additions you had planned. Sorry about that. HorrorFan121 (talk) 08:13, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I saw, and am glad he's amenable to the delay. As you've probably noticed, I've been on a bit of a Kurt binge so far today, but I'm working my way back to Finn. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:54, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, great! Sorry for the late reply - I just got home from work. Haha. I'm going to go look over some of the changes you did on Kurt.HorrorFan121 (talk) 23:01, 9 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Probably not quite what you were expecting, but I've added an "Accolades" section to Finn's page, using Kurt's as a model. I'm three paragraphs in on drafting the music section, but it's still rough, which is why I haven't posted anything yet. (I also need to copy in a few links from the discography pages, and ought to find some critical commentary to liven things up from episode reviews in which the particular songs are discussed. I'm more familiar with second season material than first, which means I can't rely on memory, but need to look things up. A lot.) I still need to hit the season two highlights... BlueMoonset (talk) 20:39, 10 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Still a lot more to do, but I've posted the first three paragraphs of the Musical performances section, even though they still need some expansion; I need to find some representative quotes from critics on a few of the songs listed. Then comes the rest of season one (the co-leads on group numbers) and all of season two. I wasn't expecting to discover that Finn sings significantly less in season two than in season one... BlueMoonset (talk) 21:33, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Great changes! I remember having a hard time finding musical reception for Kurt's article when I originally began constructing it up to GA status, but luckily Colfer was routinely mentioned in the "Reception" section of the episode articles that the numbers appeared on. I think that would be your best bet in finding quotes from critics about the performances. HorrorFan121 (talk) 01:48, 12 August 2011 (UTC)


 * All this talk about pictures on the Kurt Hummel page made me realize that Finn doesn't have one at the top of his infobox like Kurt and Rachel do. Is there a reason there isn't one of Finn (as opposed to using one of Cory) there? Do we need one for the GAN? We actually have time to find one, if so; Robert says he's fine waiting to get started on Frankenteen—his word, not mine—and he's got "Furt" to chew on while we continue perfecting the taller half of Furt. :-) BlueMoonset (talk) 21:45, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * No, there's no reason he doesn't have an image. Someone just hasn't uploaded a non-free screenshot or promotional image. I think it's become the consensus not to use actor images in the character infobox because it can be misleading to the reader.HorrorFan121 (talk) 01:46, 13 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Ah, that makes sense. Poor Finn. :-) Unless...would it make sense to look for an in-character shot from the live tour? Maybe a "Jessie's Girl" shot? Or would it be better to find one of the promotional shots, maybe from the new season? BlueMoonset(talk) 03:22, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Now that you mention it, we probably could use an image of him in-character from the tour. I think that would make sense. Did you happen to see any of him on Flickr? HorrorFan121 (talk) 03:43, 13 August 2011 (UTC)


 * The same photographer who did the Kurt image had a few of Finn doing "Jessie's Girl", and he's in his McKinley jacket. Any you pick would need to be cropped, since they're all in the same landscape as Kurt's was. I thinkthis is the best of the three, but there's alsothis one and alsothis one. Finally, there's a group shot in "Don't Stop Believin that has a good image of Finn, but I don't think everyone else could be cropped out. Unfortunately, the other photographers who'd posted photos with a "glee live 2011" tag had all rights reserved—at least those I looked through before I ran out of steam. There were also a couple by this photographer of Monteith in a generic white polo introducing the "Duets" section of the performance; while I think the cast was in character throughout, it looks like a Monteith photo rather than a Finn photo. Here's a link to the entire set of Monteith/Finn photos (tagged "Cory Monteith"), whether single or group; there are also some of Cory in street clothes from a CD signing; it might yield a useful image or two.BlueMoonset (talk) 04:25, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, we can probably use one of those. I can do a deep search for more later, but I've had a lot of luck in asking users to possibly change the licensing of their photos so we can use it on here. We could also try doing that later on.HorrorFan121 (talk) 05:13, 13 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Here's a Sony Music Brasil one of Finn; all rights reserved, of course: Finn for season two premiere. I hadn't thought about just asking people directly for licensing changes on a particular photo; I'll leave that to you. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:26, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, whoops. I didn't mean anything from Sony or a large corporation. I was talking about asking someone with a better photo of him performing as Finn from from the Glee tour. I doubt we would get the heads up to use that  image from them, as they make money from people paying to use it news articles and such. Haha. HorrorFan121 (talk) 05:44, 13 August 2011 (UTC)


 * The only reason I linked to it at all was because it was right next to another Sony image, which is the one (perhaps from another source?) that's currently used in the infobox on the Rachel Berry article. If the one was possible, I figured it couldn't hurt to mention the other, even if it wasn't actually usable. Hope I didn't waste too much of your time... BlueMoonset (talk) 05:56, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
 * You didn't waste any of my time! Haha. The image currently used in Rachel's article is registered under a non-free promotional license, which is what that image of Monteith would have to be registered under because it's a press photo released from the company that produces Glee. So, we can still use that image, but it would have to be uploaded that way with a fair-use rationale. I hope that makes sense. HorrorFan121 (talk) 06:10, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

I've finished Finn's "Musical performances" section. I'll want to look at it again tomorrow, but I think I've covered enough. For all I know, the section could be too long; let me know what you think. As for "Critical response", I'm having trouble finding good quotes from the second season: I'm going to look at "Audition" or "Grilled Cheesus" to see if something useful is there (maybe "Duets", too), and then I'd like to get something from February or later (though I've already struck out in "Silly Love Songs" and "New York"), and I'm looking to pull something from "Theatricality", since I also struck out in "Laryngitis" while checking for "Jessie's Girl" reviews (though I opted to take the stats angle there after reading what was available). Even one comment from the second half of season one and two more from season two ought to do it, as long as at least one of the latter is from the second half of the second season. Any thoughts? I do hope to be able to have everything ready to go by the time Robert's done with "Furt", but at the rate he's progressing, he may be done sooner than I am.BlueMoonset (talk) 04:18, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

I was so excited about finishing, I forgot to answer your question! Yes, your explanation made perfect sense; I'll leave it to you to decide what's worth uploading and with what sort of explanation/rationale. A non-free promotional license with a fair-use rationale makes sense for "official" character photos, and sounds like it would probably be worth the trouble, as long as it's not a pain to do. :-)BlueMoonset (talk) 04:22, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Very nice additions. You just added quite a lot to the article! ;) The "Musical performances" section isn't long at all. Yeah, the reason I excluded more Finn commentary was because of that. It took me two hours alone to search for the quotes already there for season one. Haha! I think you might strike gold though looking in the episodes you suggested. HorrorFan121 (talk) 17:10, 15 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks! Glad you like the additions. :-) I think I also found just enough gold for "Critical response", and it's been posted; if you and Frickative agree and think it works, we can declare it done. I'm happy to make cuts or reorderings if either of you think it would help (or you can make them yourselves!). The only thing I'm worried about is that I may not have found enough on the negative side to represent what's out there; that's a problem with doing targeted searches. As it was, I had to change "mixed" to "mixed to positive", though I did feel I had to include the comment about Finn not being the best male singer (especially because I couldn't disagree with it). At any rate, I think I'll let Robert know that it's basically done, and that we may be taking a minor pass through the Musical and Critical sections, but that everything before that point is stable—intro, Development, and Storylines—and if he wanted to it would be perfectly safe to start those, since any final-pass changes should be made tonight. I'll give Frickative a quick heads-up in the hope that she can give it a onceover sometime today. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:44, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't think much else needs to be updated on it. The only thing I think that needs to be quickfixed is the last line in the "Critical Reception" section. You must have forgot to add the source to VanDerWerff's review of the episode "Funeral".HorrorFan121 (talk) 19:18, 15 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Whoops! I sure did forget to include that reference! Thanks! And to think that I'd opened the "Funeral" article just to copy the ref code. VanDerWerff source added, plus I'd just moved the "Auditioning actors" sentence from where it had been into the middle of a following sentence before I saw your message; I think it reads more smoothly now. (I should never say that something looks done: it's like my eye and brain can't bear to let that stand, and find something that could be improved...) BlueMoonset (talk) 19:41, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Haha! I know what you mean. I think I'm going to nominate Kurt tonight, so I can get some feedback before the week ends.HorrorFan121 (talk) 23:04, 15 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Finn's just made GA. Congratulations on yet another feather in your cap! (I made the necessary edits to the Glee project pages.)BlueMoonset (talk) 07:46, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Yay! It was definitely a team effort, so it's definitely a feather in your cap as well! ;) We're one step closer towards reaching a good topic nomination for the Glee characters. Also, I made some changes in hopes of fixing up some of the issues brought up on Kurt's article. HorrorFan121 (talk) 07:51, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Darla (Buffy the Vampire Slayer)
The article Darla (Buffy the Vampire Slayer) you nominated as a good article has passed; see Talk:Darla (Buffy the Vampire Slayer) for comments about the article. Well done! GRAPPLE  X  12:20, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * That's great news! ;) I'm so glad somebody finally picked it up from WP:GAN. It's been sitting there for a little while.HorrorFan121 (talk) 17:11, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Kurt Hummel FAC
Because the thread on the KH talk page has taken a turn to another topic, I just wanted to let you know that there's a new comment up questioning a few of the references: their formatting, use, and contents. Can I ask you to take this one? Thanks. (PS: I took a quick look at the first reference, to Starry Constellation, and decided to punt. Lisa Steinberg calls herself Editor In Chief, though it seems to be her website; with no visible copyright information anywhere, I suppose the solution could be to put her in as publisher...) There's also concern that some of the references in the Storyline section don't cover all the details. I hadn't known that was necessary for Storyline info or any plot summaries, for that matter. Maybe we should consult Frickative? I'd hate to resort to referencing one of those multi-page recaps, like at AfterElton.com, but if missing plot points need coverage, we may have to. And there's also a query about our standard episode reference (the "Acafellas" one). Oy. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:00, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'll go see what they said on the review page. HorrorFan121 (talk) 01:56, 19 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Just a quick heads-up: I've responded to Brianboulton on almost all of the recent issues he brought up, notably the "cite episode" issue—I found an FA for a Lost character that uses the non-template version of these citations—and the specific issues in the "Relationships" paragraph with the one cite (which I think should be removed, and two other refs along with it), and the Critical reception bullying paragraph and "anger". What I didn't respond to was the further discussion of Starry Constellation mag, and I may have missed something else; I told Brian that you'd be replying on all outstanding issues there. Thanks! BlueMoonset (talk) 06:26, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for helping out with some of those! My internet connection has been acting kind of wonky lately. I suppose the Starry ref could be removed, but that means adjusting the lead as well. I guess it's not particularly reliable. HorrorFan121 (talk) 07:45, 21 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Is it not reliable? He's asking why we consider it is, not saying it isn't; it's not a well-known site. I've just done some research, and I think it is reliable for our purposes, and not just because it reads like it's Colfer at the other end to me. More important, Starry has done two dozen interviews with the cast between 2009 and 2011, including over half a dozen podcasts (the list ishere). That, especially the podcasts, where the actor's voices are recognizable (I listened to a couple of minutes of the Max Adler and Ashley Fink ones, which are the actor's side of phone interviews; the interviews themselves are fully transcribed including the questions), should be indisputable evidence that Glee itself was satisfied that Starry Magazine is legit. This particular interview with Chris is one of five with cast members from when the show was getting the word out in May 2009, and it's a site that has a lot of celebrity interviews and has been online for four years now. So, in my view, it's legit, especially for our purposes. Incidentally, I just did a web search of '+kurt +colfer +"I'm better than you, and came up with 186,000 hits, and a lot of them clearly found that material on Wikipedia first. The same quote is also used on our "Characters of Glee" page...


 * Actually, having written the above—I did the Starry site research while writing it—I think I'm going to respond to Brian with some of what's above. No reason for you to repeat what I've done so you can write it in your own words. Hope your connectivity improves!BlueMoonset (talk) 15:10, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

New Mike Chang image
We just got a new non-free Mike Chang image today, uploaded by Dannybaby123, which "replaces" the old non-free image of the same name uploaded by RyannnMaccc. The problem with today's version is that it doesn't give the source; it leaves the old source listing from the previous image. (It also claims to be from the first episode of the third season, and gives the title of that episode as "The Purple Piano Project", but that's a whole 'nother issue.)

I was thinking that we can sidestep this whole issue by using a free image, and there's one from the concert tour that might do, from the same source as the Kurt Hummel picture we used in his article. I thought that this image, trimmed down, would be okay (although not as vertical as I'd like, given that you don't want too much non-Mike up top. I've tried cropping in Preview, and got a 261x335 jpg that's 55K; it goes from the bottom of the photo up to the first lit row of lights. Another possibility isthis onstage photo in profile, which crops down to about 280x460 and 71K, but could be lengthened by extending lower and/or higher, or shortened by having the top (or bottom?) cropped. Neither is at full resolution, but I don't think we dare make it much lower...

At any rate, you've had experience cropping photos and uploading, whereas I'm a neophyte. If you like either of these, I think it would be a good idea recrop as you think best and to upload it, under a new name; that way we just the photo reference on the page to orphan these other two. Or maybe we should just ask Dannybaby123 to update the "source" field, or just revert to the original RyannnMaccc photo? Images are not my area of expertise.

Come to think of it, even if you think neither of vagueonthehow's photos above suit the infobox, the first photo in a smaller format (of him wearing the "Can't Sing" T-shirt), might be very appropriate for the "Musical performances" section. (The infobox has priority, of course.) If it starts from a smaller original (I used the 640), with a short caption ("Shum as Mike on the 2011 Glee Live! In Concert! tour"), it might fit. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:16, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I think that's easily fixable if we want to keep the non-free image. We're supposed to source a press kit when uploading promotional photos to the infobox and Fox seems to have already uploaded the new season three shots . I don't know about using those free images in the box. Yes, they're in character, but they're really not of great quality like the one used in Artie Abrams for an infobox photo that someone immediately sees when reading. I would definitely use the first in the "Musical performances" section though, which I think would fit nicely for Mike! Haha. HorrorFan121 (talk) 03:06, 2 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Are you set up to download from the FoxFlash photos? I don't have an account there, and really don't want to get one. On the other hand, I'm happy to work up the template for the non-free use rationale. For that matter, I think it would be nice to get both Mike (in a better version than the one Dannybaby123 downloaded, which he seems to have cropped and converted) and Puck (because it's currently just a Salling picture, not a Puck picture). If you are, that'd be great. I could create my first Sandbox to hold the templates... If not, I might—reluctantly, because the file is misnamed, since it's a season 3 photo, not a season 2 photo—edit the photo info to bring it into line. But as they're two different Mike photos, I'd prefer to let them die a natural death due to being orphaned, and let a properly named and justified replacement hold sway. What say you? BlueMoonset (talk) 03:57, 2 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Dang, I forgot to ask: did you need to ask vagueonthehow for extra permission to use the photo of Kurt, or was it fine to just use it with the information you provided during the upload? If it's fine to upload without extra permission, maybe I'll do it myself, so I can have the no-doubt beneficial experience of uploaded a file. (If I run into trouble, I'll yell.) Thanks! BlueMoonset (talk) 04:05, 2 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, I did it. I uploaded the tour photo and it's in the article, though it didn't fit in the Musical performances section. I instead put it under Season 2 of the Storylines section with a slightly different caption, and made a few textual changes to that section to smooth things out. Let me know what you think. If there's anything I got even slightly wrong in the upload, please fix as necessary if you get the chance. Thanks again! BlueMoonset (talk) 05:32, 2 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Nice free image find! There's a problem with retaining the non-free image though (I should have remembered this when we added the free in-character image to Kurt, and I'm amazed it hasn't come up at the FAC yet) - non-free content criteria #1. A free equivalent is available, so keeping a non-free one as well goes against policy. It's a pity the free tour images aren't wonderful quality, but the NFCC is among the most stridently policed policies because of its legal implications. Frickative  11:06, 2 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, as you warned, the bot came through tonight and killed most of the Fox-based images in the infoboxes: Blaine, Rachel, Tina, Kurt, and Mike. I'd love to use one of the Mike Chang images in the infobox, but they're all facing to the right, which means that if they went into the infobox, they'd be looking out of the article. The same is true of the Kurt Hummel live image. Any suggestions? Can we get away with, maybe, looking out from the infobox? I'm pretty sure we can get something for Blaine and for Rachel from the same source as Kurt and Mike; I'm a bit more dubious about Tina. (I looked for Puck the other day, and there wasn't anything useful.) BlueMoonset (talk) 02:36, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * WOAH! Those images were NOT supposed to be deleted, particularly the Rachel and Kurt ones. That was an agreement when reached during a discussion about some time ago. HorrorFan121 (talk) 02:43, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Who was the agreement with? Might it be that the overall Wikipedia rules have changed? (Not that there seem to be any better available photos of Rachel in character, though the Kurt in concert one could qualify as a reasonable substitute. In fact, maybe we want to move it there, and find another photo that can reasonably be put on the left side of the page somewhere?) BlueMoonset (talk) 02:57, 3 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Bear in mind though, that at the time there were no free in-character images of either of them available, so circumstances were different. We can probably get away with outward facing images in the ibox - while not ideal aesthetically, there's not really a way around it as there often is in the body... I suppose the alternative is leaving them in the body, but previewing Mike and Kurt, neither would look too bad with them up in the ibox, and MOS:IMAGES isn't totally set in stone on the subject ("often preferable" to face inwards, but a big no on digitally flipping them). Frickative  02:59, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * ETA: And having said all that, I just remembered that I added an outward facing image to the Artie Abrams ibox a couple of weeks back, because it was the best of a limited selection. So it's not the end of the world :) Frickative  03:09, 3 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I just found a fairly nice one of Blaine from the same tour where he's actually facing inward, so I'll get that one fixed and loaded up. And I have a second one of Mike in profile that faces right, so it can go where the current Mike is when that gets moved up to the infobox. Although it faces much more outward than Artie's does... I'll upload that one too. Unfortunately, there's nothing decent of either Tina or of Rachel in the set; they're all too blurry or grainy, or have someone else's arm intruding. Le sigh.BlueMoonset (talk) 03:35, 3 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Later: Uploaded three files (one Mike and two Blaine). The "Can't Sing" Mike image in "Season 2" is now in the infobox, and the new Mike image is in its place; I had to use 175px to keep it from overrunning the Season 2 section on my computer. For Blaine, I opted for a different image that does face out because it looks sharper to my eye; if you want to experiment, just change "Silly" in the file name to "Raise" to get a look at the other one in preview, and maybe adjust its size a bit. Incidentally, feel free to fool around with caption; the ones in the infobox especially may have too much information... or not enough. (The Blaine files are named for the songs he was singing at the time, and the new Mike DSB file was taken during "Don't Stop Believin.) BlueMoonset (talk) 04:48, 3 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Excellent uploads, all! I do like the "Raise Your Glass" image of Blaine, but his mid-lyric expression is a bit unfortunate, so "Silly Love Songs" seems the better choice overall. I'm going to spend an hour on Flickr and try and upload a free image for as many of the other teenage characters as possible. I think we've already got the best of what's available, but it can't hurt to give it a go. Frickative  10:55, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Kurt Hummel photos
I wanted to get a photo back into the infobox right away, since the FAC is still running and Fricative just posted a notice on the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Fictional characters page to let folks there know that we have an FAC in process. So I moved the tour photo from Musical performances up to the infobox, and added another tour photo (not quite as good) from the same song in its place as a stop-gap measure. If you prefer some other solution, please do whatever you think best. There's a selection of five Colfer photos on our task force's Free-use images subpage that could be used. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:54, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's perfectly fine. I would've preferred to keep the non-free image, but I guess it doesn't make much of a difference. Nice work you two on getting those images into pretty much everything character article! :) HorrorFan121 (talk) 19:58, 3 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Frickative's doing far more heavy lifting than I am, but it's good to have something up there in the infoboxes for these characters, even if it isn't as good as what we had. I'm glad you're okay with the new Hummel photo placement. Thank goodness for vagueonthehow's generosity in making her photos available. :-) BlueMoonset (talk) 20:11, 3 September 2011 (UTC)


 * That should be the whole lot done now - really didn't envision it taking all day! Now we just need to keep an eye out for people re-adding non-free images, which has already begun. Frickative  20:55, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Woah! You're on a role, Frick! I have every character page watch listed so I can revert them should it become a problem. The only thing I can suggest though is cropping some of thre free images. I noticed, particularly in Blaine's article, that it's awkwardly making the infobox too long. Do you mind if I play around with that a little? HorrorFan121 (talk) 01:57, 4 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Blaine's actually one of the ones I uploaded; I got all the Blaines except for the Warbler one as well as the new Mike and the new Kurt. (Everything else is Frickative's work; what an amazing job!) Please, feel free to give it a try. I think it could stand a little cropping on the top—I'd hate to cut him off above the knees; that's just cruel—and that would probably do the trick, though setting the infobox file parameter at 220px might also help. (I also tried seeing what 200px would do to the current image, but it looked too narrow in the infobox.) I'd very much prefer to keep Blaine in Dalton uniform for the time being. Assuming he does transfer later in the season, that might be the point to use the one photo we have of him in non-Dalton garb; I though it was worth grabbing while we were getting photos from that site.BlueMoonset (talk) 02:28, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Whoops. Cutting the bottom half was exactly what I was planning on doing, but I won't if you feel strongly about it. And yeah, I think it was a good idea grabbing that second pic. He's more than likely going to transfer to McKinley High at some point next season.HorrorFan121 (talk) 03:25, 4 September 2011 (UTC)


 * He's always so much in motion, I was thinking I'd hate to cut off the bottom, especially since it's a live concert. But one thing I'm bad at is visualization. So I took a look, and then when that didn't work I did some sample croppings, and while I don't think I like it cut directly below the coat or a hair above the red border at the bottom, I think about halfway between the button and the bottom of the jacket works for a head and torso shot, and about the same distance below the bottom of the jacket as above it would work, or a hair less. Both of these would have only about a microphone-handle's width of blue above the top of his hair. I actually have both of the versions I just described cropped here, if you want me to upload either of them, or you can do your own crop, since I think you have a better eye than I do. Or we can go with what we have now, with half to two-thirds of the blue space up top cropped out. (What I like about the photo as initially cropped is that you can see his left knee on the right side of the photo, and how the pants are just starting to break: it gives me the sense of the whole body even though we're missing the bottom section, which wasn't totally visible on the original anyway.)BlueMoonset (talk) 05:19, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll upload a few versions of what I had in mind and we can decide which one we think looks best. How does that sound? On another note, nice work Frickative on getting the wax figure of Sue uploaded! I completely forgot all about that. HorrorFan121(talk) 02:35, 5 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Sounds great! Let me know when they're ready to take a look at. BTW, I just set Mike and Puck to C class; all the characters are C or better now. I'm thinking of rounding up some reviews of Glee: The Music, Volume 6 and writing a quick "Reception" section so I can get that last season two Start up to a C (based on Volume 5, which has only that one additional section more).BlueMoonset (talk) 02:43, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Damn! I don't know about you, but I don't even think I want to take it back there for a third go around. New problems will always keep on arising and it doesn't feel like it's worth it anymore. =/ HorrorFan121 (talk) 17:40, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

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Latest on Kurt Hummel FAC
Since we seem to be stalled on the prose, I'm going to pass the baton back to you on the FAC since other issues seem to be predominating. I wrote Dank, since he expressed an interest in looking at the prose, but as you can see here, he wants the sources cleared before he dives in. I'm leaving his suggestions to you to implement. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:41, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmm...should we look and see who else has been doing some of the other source checks for other articles at FAC? Some of the might be willing to do it. HorrorFan121 (talk) 16:10, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, I just let a message on User:Brad101's page to see if he could review anything else that might need to be fixed. I hope we can get some good feedback from that. HorrorFan121 (talk) 18:11, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Excellent! Do you think a message at WP:TV would be worthwhile too? I held off when I left one at WP:Fictional characters, just because someone raised an entirely baseless complaint about the number of Glee episode articles there last week, but that's possibly a ridiculous thing to be deterred by. Frickative  22:20, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I didn't even think about that, but I think that could be a good idea. How come there were complaints about the number of episode articles? Each one of them is properly backed up by reliable sources, and most of them are already GA's. Haha!HorrorFan121 (talk) 23:28, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Haha, I know! It was just one person - they posted at WP:GLEE the next day, and never responded to my reply pointing out that they all very much meet WP:N... Not really sure what to make of that! I'll go and post over at WP:TV then. Can you think of any other Projects that might be interested in taking a look? I thought perhaps the LGBT Project, but I'd stop short of notifying WikiProject Atheism. Frickative  09:57, 6 September 2011 (UTC)


 * They've just closed the FAC; it was "not promoted". I'll let you decide if or when to renominate, but according to the FAC page, it would have to be at least two weeks from now. That does bring it into the new season, which is unfortunate, since the page may be less stable as a result. On the other hand, with at least the first episode under our belt, we may be able to trim down the end of the Relationships paragraph quite a bit; also, Falchuk said at Comic-Con that the relationship between Kurt and Blaine would be stable, although with some competition between them. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:17, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Thecheesykid
Hey there Horror, I've decided to come back under a new account, so hope to speak to you and/or collaborate with you soon! Do you have any ongoing projects, I notice that you've got Kurt Hummel up on FAC, good luck! Aranea Mortem (talk to me) 21:33, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Burt Hummel article
I did a lot of work on Burt Hummel today—I don't remember quite how I ended up there, but once there I decided to do a little work and it just snowballed. I've bumped it up to B-class, and since you did a huge amount of work putting it together back in February, I was hoping you could take a look at it and see whether you think it might be ready now to take a shot at a GAN. (I'm also asking Frickative to take a look when she has time.) Among other things, I split the Development section into three subsections, and the Reception section into two, and added a whole bunch of material to both. I also brought the Plot developments up to date, added refs all over the place, and did some copyediting throughout. Please let me know what you think! Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:24, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Oooh! Nice job. That article was the first one I ever created when I joined WP:GLEE, so it was bound to be extremely rusty because I was still fairly unfamiliar with editing. HorrorFan121 (talk) 01:32, 10 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks! Glad you like it. I hadn't realized this was your first project on the team. If Frickative gives it a pass, may I submit it for GAN? (She's been away for a few days; I'm hoping she'll be back this weekend, and have some time to look at this and "New York".) I made a handful of edits to Kurt today—all very minor improvements, which ought to make things a bit smoother if/when the FAC starts rolling again—since a few things I hadn't noticed before suddenly leapt out at me. And I brought Will Schuester's storyline up to date, and fixed the Glee material on Ashley Fink's page. (I also added her to the task force list; somehow her article wasn't included. Then again, the same had been true for Darren Criss!) BlueMoonset (talk) 02:20, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Of course you can submit it! Haha. I'm so glad you're putting work into some of the lesser quality articles. ;)HorrorFan121 (talk) 13:49, 10 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks! I submitted it a short while ago. I'll keep you posted as it progresses. GA 53, here we come! :-) BlueMoonset(talk) 21:41, 13 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Later: It passed overnight. BTW, your friend Aranea Mortem was the one who did the GA review. That takes care of our September character GA. Wonder which one'll be ready for October... BlueMoonset (talk) 11:41, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

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Dave Karofsky returning
I don't know whether you saw this E! Online story on the impending return of Dave Karofsky. Given that he's talking definitively about it being a "shocking scene", he has to have at least seen the script, if not filmed it. He isn't listed in the "I Am Unicorn" or "Asian F" credits, so unless they've omitted him for some reason (can't think of a good one), I'd expect his first appearance to be in episode four or five: they finished filming episode four yesterday, making it the most likely candidate, and the actors would likely have had their scripts for five prior to the Fox Emmy party on Sunday when the interview for the article took place. (Lea certainly had it by Tuesday night, when she tweeted that episode 5 "is a gooood one... :)".) Since episode 5 filming begins today, it makes sense that they'd have had the script several days beforehand.BlueMoonset (talk) 19:16, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, that's good! I'm glad his story is not just being dropped from the show. Unfortunately, I haven't had a chance to watch the premiere in full yet. I'm at the 15:00 mark and just haven't sat down to watch the rest. HorrorFan121 (talk) 04:58, 25 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm starting to get a little antsy about a Karofsky article. With Holly Holliday appearing out of the blue at the beginning of this week, I don't want that fate to overtake Karofsky, especially as he'll be returning on the show in the near future. If you don't think you're going to get to it any time soon, I'd like to get it posted with what I've written so far, plus some sketched out material for one or more of the missing sections (so it isn't just storyline). First on my plate are the Reception sections of "I Am Unicorn", but after that, Karofsky would be next, because I'll need a break before tackling the remainder of "Funeral". It's been over three months since I wrote the bulk of the Karofsky storyline and intro material. I really think it's time it saw the light of day. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:16, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I have some stuff compiled on my computer, but it's not ready to be saved yet. What information have you already written for it so far? We could possibly combined what we both have. HorrorFan121 (talk) 01:11, 1 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't have anything new yet, or written in a file, though I've seen a few articles around (had the odd experience of having my characterization of Karofsky as a "closeted gay athlete" in the season 3 cast section being edited by Jasonbres today because we "don't know he's definitely gay" into "athlete"; I reverted, and found a good article to back it up if I must supply a ref), and would at least start with the Murphy comment about him wanted to do more with Karofsky after his performance in "Theatricality" and subsequent comments about wanting Karofsky to not go down the dark path of suicide (Murphy and Falchuk on that point), the comments that Adler has made about viewer reaction to his character, and so on. If you don't want to load what you have to the proto-article, do you have a sandbox around that you can put the material into? I don't see how we can do work together without using some working area on Wikipedia, and if you don't want it to be the article space, then we need another. Another consideration for the timing of the initial load: we could get a DYK out of it, if we had an interesting hook to hang off the article. I don't know whether that would involve something we already know, or something we find out about the "shocking" thing coming up for Karofsky. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:54, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Alright. How about I post everything I have so far in the sandbox for Karofsky? We can then go from there and you can edit/add stuff to it. HorrorFan121 (talk) 17:19, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Fabulous! It's a great section so far: that's a wonderful interview you found, with more depth than the ones I've seen. I really want to find that Murphy comment about "Theatricality", and maybe pull a couple more bits here or there. We may want to split Development into subsections once it's done, but for now a single section is fine. There may or may not have been anything usable in that E! article cited above, but I think there might be one or two quotes worth adding from a NY Post article I've been looking at, and now that all the articles here are finished for the episodes he appeared in, there should be a decent collection to mine for the Responses section. Thanks for posting this; I expect the article will be ready to be created before very much longer, and would be starting at B level, with a GAN soon after that, once we got some feedback. I'll try to take a look at it this weekend, but I just had some unexpected work dumped on my plate that needs doing by the end of the weekend, so it may be a couple of days before I can contribute anything significant. BlueMoonset(talk) 20:45, 1 October 2011 (UTC)


 * ETA: it turns out my brain couldn't handle working on editing tonight, but for some reason it was able to assemble a Reception section for Karofsky. Apparently I can read reviews ad nauseum and string them together (along with footnotes out the wazoo), but fussing down at the word level was beyond me, so the unexpected work has to wait until I'm better rested (tomorrow morning, I hope). Since looking at your Development text would have involved word-level-type brain work, it was Reception for and of Karofsky. Let me know what you think. Thanks!BlueMoonset (talk) 04:48, 2 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Much later: I've just done an extensive revision of the Development section. I've pulled material from a number of new sources, some of which replaced part of the RadarOnline material. What I'm worried about is that it may have too much narrative in it, and the quotes may be too long. I'm going to ask Frickative to take a look and comment here. If she likes it, I think we may be ready for release, and at a B level, too, with GA not that far away, though she may have her own ideas on that topic. Comparing it to the Lauren Zizes article, I think we're at a similar size for a character with a similar number of (recurring) appearances, if not quite as much screen time.BlueMoonset (talk) 17:47, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Fabulous work on the article! You really added a lot. What I posted was basically all I had worked on for the article, so I'm not surprised you might have had to remove stuff/add stuff. It was basically all from that one source. Haha! HorrorFan121(talk) 02:35, 7 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you! I'm so glad you like it. Assuming Frickative gives it the thumbs up—she's only done one edit in the past 72 hours, so she may have hit another busy patch—I'll move it to the Dave Karofsky page as soon as she does. If she isn't around for the next couple of days, I may move it anyway: it'll be the 150th Glee article page claimed by the task force, assuming nothing else shows up in the interim, and I think it's worthy of that milestone. :-) (I sure hope a page doesn't show up on the sixth episode: they only just started shooting it today, while still working on finishing episode five, "The First Time"!) BlueMoonset (talk) 04:02, 7 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Frickative just gave her approval to releasing the article into the wild, so I did so shortly after 0000 on October 10, and at a B-class level, as she agreed. What I did was simply copied the text from your directory into the regular article, displacing its redirect code, and saved it. Frickative did recommend that the Development section be reigned in before any GAN is attempted, so sometime this week I'll probably do a bit of paraphrasing to shorten what's there without losing anything important. This new release puts the task force at 150 articles! BlueMoonset (talk) 00:37, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Great work! The lead will also need some expanding later on down the line when you take it to GAN. I'm sorry for being incredibly distant from Wikipedia these last couple weeks. I haven't been able to find much time to edit on here. Eventually, I'll get to working on finishing up Santana Lopez and some of the others. By the way, do you know who created Holly Holiday? That seemed to just pop up all nice and new out of nowhere. Is he/she part of the project? HorrorFan121 (talk) 17:36, 10 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks! I figure that once Development is cut down I can create a second intro paragraph based on the Development and Reception sections and see what GAN brings. :-) We all need time off every once in a while, either as a break, or because real life becomes quite demanding. Frickative's in a "no major tasks" phase for the next while. I'm looking forward to seeing Santana progress from a "C" to a "GA"; I expect there are going to be some developments for her in the next few episodes. As for Holly Holliday, it appeared out of the blue and by someone who isn't on the task force. Surprised the heck out of me. It needs a bit of an edit, but it's a nice start. I can't recall running across Beegeejay before, though the user page indicates an affinity for Glee—no talk page yet!—and an admission that created text may be a bit rough and need editing. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:13, 10 October 2011 (UTC)


 * ETA: just made some cuts to Development (about 100 words) and added a second paragraph to the intro. I think it may be ready for that GAN. I'm going to check with Frickative before pulling the trigger, but if you see anything missing or awkward, by all means let me know!BlueMoonset (talk) 19:24, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Thought it was worth an outdent to mention that the Dave Karofsky article is now at GAN and Robert is reviewing it, and that a DYK has been submitted from the article. For all I know, the article could be a GA by morning, though I have no intentions of counting unhatched chickens. :-) As for the DYK, assuming it passes the various checks, given the current backlog, it'll probably be over a week before it hits the front page. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:17, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Holy cow! I'm can't believe you managed to promote it to GA already. That's really fantastic work, BlueMoonset! I think I'm going to put some work into Puck's article later on tonight or tomorrow. HorrorFan121 (talk) 23:39, 14 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, Karofsky's not only a GA, but it looks like he'll be a DYK next Wednesday or Thursday. I've got to confess I'm really happy about how he turned out. :-) Hey, great news about Puck! I'll be looking forward to seeing more about him. I've taken the liberty of adding him to your "to do" list, and added him onto that page's GA list as well. (If you want to move him down to the B-class list instead, feel free. I was just taking a guess as to how far you'd be pushing the Puckster. :-) ) PS: Rumor has it Karofsky returns in episode five, "The First Time". And Puck has major scenes in episode four, "Pot O' Gold", while will be a Sunday morning DYK. And we get to see it all in early November... BlueMoonset (talk) 23:53, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I noticed your DYK submission on Rob's page. I don't think I've ever tried submitting one from any of the Glee character articles that I have worked on. Great job on getting some of them more recognition. ;) HorrorFan121 (talk) 04:51, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * What really makes characters hard to submit to DYK is that there needs to be a real-world connection in the hook. Frickative ran up against that one. Fortunately, there was one I could easily hook into, while retaining the bulk of Robert's character hook. I suspect it's usually not that easy, but there's no reason we couldn't all brainstorm one for your next character, provided the 5x and 5 days rule can be met. That's much harder with an existing character article, especially as they all have pretty robust storyline sections.


 * Re the impending DYK, I'm currently tearing my hair at the two article name changes in under 24 hours: Pot o' Gold to Pot 'O Gold to Pot of Gold, the last occurring fewer than ten hours before the DYK is to be published, and when it's already in the queue (and thus no longer possible for me to change it myself). Needless to say, I'm hoping Robert can help... BlueMoonset (talk) 05:08, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I've don't know much about submitting DYK's, but maybe we could spot one when I start working on Puck's article?HorrorFan121 (talk) 19:51, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid that Puck won't be eligible: he's already at 13.7K characters, and would need to increase by a factor of five. Since Finn ended up at 23K, there's no way it'll get that big. The best way to get a character article submittable for DYK is to take a stub (and we don't have any stubs, since everything's at least at C-class) or a brand new character article. Articles have to be either new or 80% new (contents now five times larger) within the past five days to be submitted to the DYK queue. I just ran up against that for "Asian F": while it's well over 5x since the episode ran on October 4, it's only 3x over the past five days, so I can't submit it. Finding a new character to write about at some point is your best hope for DYK, but from my viewpoint, that's only gravy. If Robert hadn't come up with a good idea for Karofsky, the DYK moment would have just slipped on by.


 * Sorry that I didn't have good news for you there. I do have what you may think is good news in another arena: reports today (from Ausiello at TVLine) indicate that Chord Overstreet is about to sign on as a recurring character, in which case he'd reappear in episode eight and then continue showing up. (They're shooting six and seven right now.) I seem to recall you were regretting Sam's disappearance last summer... BlueMoonset (talk) 20:39, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

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