User talk:Huaiwei/Archive M

Mainland China
Do you understand in what way are "Mainland China" and "People's Republic of China" different? Stop portray Hong Kong and Macau like they are not part of the People's Republic of China. They are not and will never be independent sovereign states like Singapore.

Stop making useless edits to redirects. - Privacy 06:12, 3 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I find this incredibly funny. Quite on the contrary, you are portraying HK and Macau as separate from the rest of China, by enforcing the "I, not I" dichotomy so commonly discussed on in academic discourse. So quit the pretentions and give yourself a reality check.


 * As for "useless" edits, in what way are they useless, and in what way are they less useful than your edits?--Huaiwei 06:32, 3 April 2007 (UTC)


 * With this edit you are saying Hong Kong banks are foreign to the People's Republic of China, portraying Hong Kong as not part of the People's Republic. What is true is that they are foreign to mainland China. - Privacy 21:37, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Is something is not foreign to the PRC, but is foreign to Mainland China, I suppose you are attempting to argue that Mainland China is foreign to the PRC?--Huaiwei 16:23, 7 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Do you know according to Hong Kong laws, all currencies other than Hong Kong dollar are foreign currencies? In other words the RMB is a foreign currency. According to mainland China laws, banks from Hong Kong are foreign in mainland China. It is ridiculous, illogical and secessionist to say Hong Kong banks are foreign in the People's Republic of China. - Privacy 17:22, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Very interesting twist of words. Kindly define what "mainland China laws" are, and if they are different from the laws of the PRC?--Huaiwei 17:40, 7 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Laws of the People's Republic of China that are not listed in the Annex III of either of the basic laws of Hong Kong and Macau. - Privacy 17:43, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * See "内地法律".     - Privacy 17:50, 7 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I am asking you to define "mainland China laws". Answer that.--Huaiwei 17:47, 7 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Already answered. - Privacy 17:52, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * You did not answer the question, unless you are telling us that the "mainland China laws" are laws of the PRC.--Huaiwei 17:56, 7 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Answered already. - Privacy 18:00, 7 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Please nominate all this crap for deletion. You know which crap I mean. SchmuckyTheCat 15:29, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, but I would think it preferable to do so concurently with a WP:SSP.--Huaiwei 16:22, 7 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I really don't think is a sock of .  --Ideogram 18:50, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Neither am I entirely convinced it's a full on sock. I am convinced there is a relation though. Some of the peculiar grammar of Instantnood has been used by Privacy, and there are some strange punctuation edits that Privacy makes that only Instantnood has made before. SchmuckyTheCat 01:27, 8 April 2007 (UTC)


 * They are probably both from Hong Kong, if that matters. --Ideogram 01:47, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I actually have doubts they are socks too, but the more each of these users "contribute" to this site, the more evidence gets built up.--Huaiwei 16:02, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Oh my god, they were really all socks. I was soo wrong ... --Ideogram 22:53, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

User:Secrecy
And I'm not to suspect that you are Secrecy? That user is obviously created as a counterpart to Privacy, if Privacy is suspected as a sockpuppet of Instantnood. Lexicon (talk) 16:06, 5 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Suspicions are not invalidated, no. However, accusations of sockpuppetry against two established users by a newbie who is obviously a sockpuppet himself without some evidence to back it up probably should not be left to stand. Lexicon (talk) 16:24, 5 April 2007 (UTC)


 * If you have good reason to suspect that they are the same person, and that Privacy was used to evade a community ban on Instantnood, why don't you file an RFCU? Lexicon (talk) 15:12, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Why doesn't somebody just file checkuser requests for these two accounts and resolve the matter officially? Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 18:54, 7 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Checkuser can only prove someone is a sock, not that they aren't. --Ideogram 18:59, 7 April 2007 (UTC)


 * You're talking about the possibility that someone switches to another IP to use the sock, right? Still, there's the possibility that they did not do this and are using the same IPs.  Actually, have any policies been violated because of these two accounts?  Namely, any 3RR violations?  I have not been keeping track of these two accounts, but socks are perfectly allowed as long as they are not used to circumvent policy.  I've had "run-ins" with Instantnood just like a lot of other editors, but these sockpuppetry accusations are pointless unless these two accounts were used to circumvent policy.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 19:16, 7 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Huaiwei (and Instantnood) were banned briefly recently. But Secrecy (and Privacy) were editing actively before that, too.  --Ideogram 20:01, 7 April 2007 (UTC)


 * As to policy, Instantnood has an added feature to his probation/blocks that he can't edit categories or change categories. As soon as I pointed that out to his latest showing and revert warring on categories, he disappeared again and Privacy re-appeared and re-applied all of Instantnoods category changes. SchmuckyTheCat 01:25, 8 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I think it's obvious that Privacy is sympathetic to Instantnood. It's not a violation of policy for him to take over making the edits his friend can't make.  Actually, I think Privacy got interested in massive category reorganization after he noticed me trying to fix ROC/Taiwan related categories.  --Ideogram 01:50, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, there is also User:Axtro, User:Porkie Chopie, User:Passer-by, User:Michael G. Davis. New accounts don't just show up and start caring about obscure WP topics like stub-sorting.  I haven't had time yet to point out all the similarities but Privacy = Instantnood is a case that can be made.  It's more than sympathy once you start seeing unique grammar on talk pages and such.  It's possible the Privacy account is shared. SchmuckyTheCat 02:11, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Only Privacy is really revert-warring at this time, so he's the only one we have to worry about. I really don't think Instantnood is the type to sockpuppet, but we can always go to RFCU.  --Ideogram 02:19, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I would actually think Privacy is forcefully creating all those mainland China related categories due to the "stubwars" in Template:China-geo-stub‎, Template:China-struct-stub‎, etc, where nood and company's advances were rejected on the grounds that no corresponding Mainland China-related perm cats exists. Privacy seems to believe that his unilateral creation will be enough to "fool" the folks over at WikiProject Stub sorting.--Huaiwei 16:13, 8 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Requests for checkuser is a process to be considered as a last resort. Suspected sock puppets is a more appriopriate avenue for preliminary investigations, and will require some research first, which takes time and effort to collate. I wonder if any of you are interested to assist me in this little "project"?--Huaiwei 16:16, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, it will take a few days. I think this is a better route than rfcu anyways. SchmuckyTheCat 16:28, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't think I will have much to contribute, but keep me informed. --Ideogram 17:39, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks alot. I have also dropped a notice in User:Alai's talkpage to prewarn him over a potential stubwar.--Huaiwei 17:54, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't think is a sock of  either. --Ideogram 19:00, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

I have no idea what connection Secrecy might have to Huaiwei, or Privacy might have to Instantnood, but at a minimum they should be aware that if they engage in the sort of behaviour that got the latter pair sanctioned by the arbcom, they're likely to be subject to similar meaures themselves (whether via a fresh arbcom determination, or by extrapolation on the part of the community). Obviously if either is an actual sockpuppet, more speedy sanctions can and would be applied. Alai 19:06, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

We don't have to wonder anymore. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 00:48, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Despite our suspicions, this still comes as a shock. Instantnood is actually quite a talented impersonator! :D Anyway, where do we go from here now? Are the "contributions" made by the socks worth a relook now, particularly the damage wrought in the past month or so? Btw I notice most of the Mainland China-related cats has since been deleted, except for a few.--Huaiwei 01:52, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * It's a pity. I always felt Instantnood could be a great contributor if he only learnt to compromise a little and stop doing mass renaming of articles and categories.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 02:15, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * In previous instances I'd always given him the benefit of the doubt about running socks and respecting being banned. And even though I'm often first to run to dispute resolution when he pulled stunts, I always said he should stay a contributor. That is sad, because now it is shown he doesn't respect the project itself over his own need to get his ideas into it. SchmuckyTheCat 15:24, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

thanks and correction
Thanks for the note on my talk page regarding Privacy and the Mainland China stuff. Also, I'm a "she". =) ~ Amalas rawr  =^_^=  15:23, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Signature
Please sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ). - Privacy 21:53, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reminder, User:Instantnood. ;)--Huaiwei 23:11, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Singapore Airlines awards and accolades
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greetings huaiwei. please help. it has been previously agreed that (at least for that of changi airport's page) we should put Taipei-Taoyuan Intl and not Taipei-Taiwan Taipei. please tell 218.186.9.4 about this because apparently he choose to keep reverting it to the Taiwan's version. If he insist on adding taiwan, i suggest we remove the airport's name altogether since there is no ambiguity as there is only one international airport in taipei. thank you for your help

Re:Future MRT Map

 * Hello, and thanks for the comments and suggestions!


 * Ill be doing these minor corrections of careless mistakes + CCL Extension, basically what has been announced by LTA as of date later.


 * After that, I'll add on the Eastern Region Loop, Circle Line from Marina Bay to Promenade, and seperate the lines, as another map which projects more into the future. I have a strong inclination too, that DTL would be split up into BTL and ERL in future too, what with that odd loop in the DTL, and the Marina Parade Section :)
 * - Advanced 17:03, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

S'pore GP
Hi mate, can you please add it to the appropriate current events page (SE Asia and sports)? We didn't mention Valencia on the main current events page, and only finals of major sports events are mentioned on the main current events page. Thanks. – Chacor 13:47, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
 * See explanation in . This news generated over 200 news sources on google news search, so I am sure this is attracted lots of attention.--Huaiwei 13:59, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Valencia was announced just two days ago. And we didn't add that. We don't add minor sporting events to the main page - the sports subpage exists for a reason. Only finals go on the main current events page - this is arguably not of international significance - people could easily say "it's just a night race" - it's not a new thing in motorsport. – Chacor 14:03, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
 * You have the option to add the news on Valencia. To say something isnt in existance as the sole criterion to delete another is not very convincing. Kindly read up on news related to this announcement before deciding for the rest of the world that it is "just a night race" and is insignificant to the history of F1.--Huaiwei 14:05, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

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SPF most wanted list
Hey Huaiwei... this one should be easy since you're a police guy.

Do you know whether the SPF still puts a list of 10 most wanted criminals online? I read they put it online for the first time in 1996 but I can't find it on their website, if it's still there. It used to be here but the page just redirects to their main page now. I don't know if any of them are worth researching for new articles, but I'd like to give the list a look first. Resurgent insurgent 18:54, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmm....I doubt there are any such lists published online now. If you would like to find notable criminals, think there are plenty in our criminal history...True Files may give some clues (I wrote Lee Kim Lai from there). We did have some spectacular crimes which would seem unthinkable today. Anyway, me a police guy? ;)--Huaiwei 14:19, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

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Images taken during Navy Open House 2007
Hey the two pictures you added to the RSN page were excellent - nice composition, vibrant hues, sharp resolution! Pity I didn't have a chance to visit... Kudos once again for the excellent photos! :)

=Travisyoung= 23:27, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Many thanks for the compliments...I was actually experiementing with my new set of camera and lenses, so I hope my investment was sound! ;) Anyway, I do have quite a couple other shots, but I arent putting them up yet as they may not neccesarily be superior to those already shown. This was my second visit to CNB btw, and I am loving it everytime!--Huaiwei 17:37, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

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PTU photo
Nah...

You want to blur the faces of the officers? I'm not sure if it can be done. I certainly don't wanna be warned by the SPF... Ominae 02:19, 13 June 2007 (UTC)


 * TY, mate. I think I can get one more PTU photo and a Gurkha one. Let me know. Ominae 19:21, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Nuetrality
Thoroughly trivial pet peeve, but &mdash; you systematically misspell neutral as "nuetral". Just thought you'd like to know, as it's one of your favorite words and you're always complaining about other peoples' grammar and spelling =P Jpatokal 08:47, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Tangs soh march fore duh taught!--Huaiwei 16:15, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
 * 4t l3as7 ur n0t typ1ng 1n l337-sp33k, 4nd 1 rea11y appr3c1at3 th47. kthxbye! :)  --Folic Acid 16:20, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
 * lol! But whats "l337-sp33k" btw? Cant make this out...--Huaiwei 16:28, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Leet-speak? Lucky for you (and me) there's an article about it.  :)  My translated sentence is "At least you're not typing in leet-speek, and I really appreciate that." --Folic Acid 16:38, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Now that's something new. ;) I could make out the rest of the sentence, although I dont use it, nor see it often. I do admit that I tend to slip into sms lingo thou, and that I am pretty reliant on Bill Gates's Spell checker service in his product offerings!--Huaiwei 16:46, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Worlds largest airlines
There should be no reason why you should remove the list the list is no problem why you removed it give a reason!

Even so "KID" the point is it looks like crap!

Largest Ailines
You must discuss it before CHANGING IT. (71.93.178.119)

YOU must discuss it with the others before you go doing major changes.(Sparrowman980)

You have reported me you did not allow me time do disscuss also i only reverted three times also you have to disscuss it before doing it plain and simple.(Sparrowman980)

K so i read and they said they you shouldn't! "Quote:No, it wouldn't help. This article is mostly statistics and isn't overly large or disorganized. SchmuckyTheCat 16:03, 3 October 2006 (UTC)(Sparrowman980 04:00, 23 June 2007 (UTC))

Star of Temasek categories
My thinking behind categorisation the redirect page The Star of Temasek was that when you look in the category list, it will appear (in italics) as well as the primary page Bintang Temasek. An easier way for simple mono-lingual people (like me) to find the correct article. Thanks for the self-revert! PalawanOz 21:50, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

3RR block
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Your block log for 3rr is a mile long. The 3RR rule says in part: "The rule does not convey an entitlement to revert three times each day, nor does it endorse reverting as an editing technique; rather, the rule is an "electric fence". Editors may still be blocked even if they have not made more than three reverts in any given 24 hour period, if their behavior is clearly disruptive." and "Many administrators give less leniency to users who have been blocked before, and may block such users for any disruptive edit warring, even if they do not exceed three reverts on a page in 24 hours."

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Compromise
I am willing to come to a compromise if you are willing to listen?(Sparrowman980 06:45, 25 June 2007 (UTC))

What we should have is one list of the largest airlines by fleet and passengers then the names of the continents and there largest airlines if that sounds good?(Sparrowman980 02:25, 26 June 2007 (UTC))

Would you still like to come to a compromise(Sparrowman980 05:18, 3 July 2007 (UTC))

Categories in your User pages
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Largest Airlines
please tell me when you are Planning to change the page(Sparrowman980 19:34, 7 July 2007 (UTC))

K so obliviously you noticed what i have done and i believe that we do the whole thing asap!(Sparrowman980 00:01, 8 July 2007 (UTC))

Singapore Meetup 4 date changed
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View comments
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Final thoughts on the Template?
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Huaiwei, have you met your major deadlines at work?
If so, could you adopt Singapore (or Singapore 2006)? Singapore Dreaming's GA nomination is on hold due to prose problems, but with Haemo copy-editing it, the article should be passed soon. I hope WP:SG! can reach 10 GAs by 9 September (when I will take a two-month long Wikibreak to focus on my O Levels). A month and a half should be enough time to get Singapore and Singapore 2006 to GA status, if other SGpedians pull their weight. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 02:46, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Standardizing templates
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3RR
I saw your 3RR report about Sparrowman980's edits at World's largest airlines. It should be noted, though, that you've also broken the 3RR, so any sysop that blocks Sparrowman980 should really block you too. Personally, I agree that the Qantas image should be taken down, as it's not the largest airline in the world by almost any reasonable criteria (maybe largest airline with a kangaroo-shaped logo?). So, if you withdraw and blank the 3RR report, I won't stop you ... though there's nothing stopping Sparrowman980 from reporting you and getting you both blocked later. &mdash; Rebelguys2 talk 05:25, 25 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Understandable. I've had a lot of problems with him in the past, too, particularly in regard to copyright violations and, more recently, grammar and style. But, as far as this issue goes: What, do you just want me to block both of you for 24 hours? &mdash; Rebelguys2 talk 05:39, 25 July 2007 (UTC)


 * It's because there are better ways to do this than just reverting his edits, because he'll just revert back. You can bring stuff up at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Airlines or ask administrators for help, and after those methods are exhausted, you can go to dispute resolution, report an incident, or open up a request for comment. But, don't worry, I've been following his contributions and cleaning up his mess for quite a while now ... &mdash; Rebelguys2 talk 05:53, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * And the barnstar thing, yeah, that's what I figured too. But all I did was chuckle to myself, because it's a pretty stupid thing to get angry or annoyed about. &mdash; Rebelguys2 talk 05:54, 25 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, sure. Just leave a descriptive edit summary so people know what you're doing. &mdash; Rebelguys2 talk 06:00, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

What did you do to get BillCJ and Sparrowman980 so upset about? I hope you can talk some sense into them.

Kosovo: country debate
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Hi again. It's probably a minor point, but there a discussion and vote going on at Talk:Kosovo as to whether or not it's better to use Kosovo rather than Kosovan or Kosovar in the Wikipedia articles. Perhaps you have no interest, in which case sorry to bother you! DSuser 15:53, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

List of hotels in Singapore
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AfD nomination of List of hotels in Singapore
List of hotels in Singapore, an article you created, has been nominated for deletion. We appreciate your contributions. However, an editor does not feel that List of hotels in Singapore satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in the nomination space (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and the Wikipedia deletion policy). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/List of hotels in Singapore and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ). You are free to edit the content of List of hotels in Singapore during the discussion but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Pascal.Tesson 23:11, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of List of insurance companies in Singapore
List of insurance companies in Singapore, an article you created, has been nominated for deletion. We appreciate your contributions. However, an editor does not feel that List of insurance companies in Singapore satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in the nomination space (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and the Wikipedia deletion policy). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/List of insurance companies in Singapore and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ). You are free to edit the content of List of insurance companies in Singapore during the discussion but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Russavia 23:25, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Russavia
Please do not drag me into disputes you may have with other editors. You may have legitimate concerns with Russavia but I did not egg him on and I'd appreciate it if you struck out that comment which completely misrepresents my actions. Thank you. Pascal.Tesson 18:47, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Let me ask you nicely again: I am not part of your dispute. This was my very first contact with him, this is my very first contact with you and this series of deletion was my first contact with Singapore articles. I did not encourage him to submit more deletions, I reminded him of speedy deletion which, whether you like it or not was highly relevant because of Shangi-La spammer . As a matter of fact, I even advised Russavia to take a deep breath when he suggested the deletion of the list of banks in Singapore . The note you left on that AfD is clearly insinuating that I'm at fault and that I'm using Russavia as a proxy. It's unfair and I would appreciate it if you struck it out. Pascal.Tesson 03:33, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

List of hotels in Singapore
The "Singapore-centrism" I remarked upon was more of an observation of the arguments rather than the deletion rationale. But let's ignore that (I'm willing to strike that comment out) and look at the arguments. I usually use weighing of the arguments as my deletion rationale, so let me break the keep arguments down: I hope this is detailed enough, but please tell me if you want more answers. Thanks! — Kurykh  02:47, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Kappa: "it's (obviously) useful to be able to find wikipedia articles about hotels in specific areas of Singapore" — that's the exact definition of a travel guide and/or a directory (WP:NOT, WP:NOT)
 * Yours: "Unless this list contains nothing but full addressess and contact numbers etc, it dosent work as a "directory", and is hardly useful as a "travel guide". This is nothing more than a simple Wikipedia:Lists, and that is permissable in wikipedia. Otherwise, I will be questioning the existance of List of airports in Russia, for example." — Okay, it's debatable, but acceptable rebuttal. Your last sentence was WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTSy, though.
 * KamrynMatika2: "evidently useful list. An article being in poor shape is not a reason for deleting it (or we would lose 90% of our content)." — Essentially a word-for-word WP:USEFUL argument.
 * Hildanknight: "admonish nominator in the interests of fighting systemic bias" — I mean, come on. It doesn't even address the deletion rationale.
 * Sengkang: ...[nothing] — In cases like this, I, as a closing admin, will have to toss this out.
 * Oh yes, I think I should tell you that mostly, when there are comments after my closing decisions, they tend to be more of observations of the AfD instead of actual deletion rationales. I usually give deletion rationales only upon request. I apologize if it confused you (and others). — Kurykh  02:51, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

AfD works on the same principle as WP:V; that is, delete until proven worthy of keeping. Usually, such decisions are clear-cut; the nomination rationale may be frivolous (ending in speedy keep), wrongheaded (ending in keep), states the obvious (ending in delete), or policy or copyright violation (ending in speedy delete).

But I digress. You say "It has been argued that the list provides more information than a mere alphabetical list of hotels...," but that argument has indeed been contested by Pascal.Tesson below Luckyluke's comment. To state otherwise would have been to miss threaded discussion within the debate. — Kurykh  03:15, 5 August 2007 (UTC)


 * The closing rationale of the closing admin is, by default, "per consensus," "per the weighing of arguments in the discussion," "per discussion," or alternate wordings thereof. So technically, I have no "deletion rationale," just a closing one. (sorry for the semantics, but there is a difference, however subtle) — Kurykh  03:18, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

I can let you userfy the deleted contents if you wish. — Kurykh  03:24, 5 August 2007 (UTC)


 * See WP:USERFY for the definition. — Kurykh  03:31, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Here you go: User:Huaiwei/List of hotels in Singapore. And you're welcome. — Kurykh  03:36, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Plz don't...
... take on 'nood's latest sock. It makes you look like you're edit warring with a new user. SchmuckyTheCat
 * Yah, i've been following Qaka and labelling his edits as sockpuppetry for awhile. If you take him on directly, it risks bringing up old edit prohibitions from ArbCom that I am trying to get removed. If you revert him, be explicit in the edit summary that you are removing contributions from an instantnood sock. SchmuckyTheCat
 * Bring up the artificial islands to me again after this latest sock goes away. I think we agree that bridge piers aren't important enough to list as artificial islands (c'mon, I can list about 300 off the top of my head).  But the HKIA is a major artificial island.  Anyways, wait until this blows over and we can discuss civilly without distraction. SchmuckyTheCat

Wp:rfar, Wp:rfar SchmuckyTheCat
 * re, best behavior.
 * Definitely drop me a line, talk-page or email if you see a sock pop-up. I've noticed the socks tend to stalk your recent edits before mine.  You'll often see them before I do. SchmuckyTheCat

funny
look at the history on the bottom. he cut and pasted from his Qaka account as the Iianq account. ooops! the problem with using so many sockpuppets is forgetting which one he's logged in as. SchmuckyTheCat

AN/I thread about us.
Plaguedbyhordes, who appears to be a sock puppet of Russavia or Regebro, has filed a complaint at AN/I, accusing SGpedians of being a "nationalist clique". As the complaint pertains to your disputes with Russavia, I invite you to comment at the AN/I thread. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 15:33, 7 August 2007 (UTC)


 * While you are reading AN/I, take note that the latest crop of Instantnood socks are squashed. SchmuckyTheCat

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Your edit on parent company of Singapore Airlines
Please do not add content without citing reliable sources. Before making potentially controversial edits, it is recommended that you discuss them first on the article's talk page. --Russavia 14:31, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * If my memory serves me well, a user has been constantly adding potentially controversial edits to the above said article without a word in the talkpage either. I would strongly recommend this user to do some serious soul-searching first before he thinks he has any moral grounds to post comments such as the above.--Huaiwei 14:56, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Kent Ridge Park
To move this discussion forward constructively, it wld be easier & logical to rename the above article to "Kent Ridge" & keep its content intact with just minor modifications on its intro. I disagree to split the article into 2 standalone parts as it will become a 'waterdown' version in content for both. Besides, it wld be against wat I had set to do as per my Wikipedia aspirations esp after putting so much time & efforts (incl. site-visits) in the first place. Moreover, who knows tat in near future, someone may nominate to combine both back & may make a mess out with another debate on its 'similarities' or 'differences' again. Right? As the article is currently under DYK review (tat's y i choose to discuss this issue on yr talkpage instead), please proceed with the nec amendments & additions if u like such as NUS, Clementi Woods & other interesting landmarks or geograhical features tat lies on the Ridge et cetera after Aug 23 so that we can have a final & positive closure on this issue once & for all. -- Aldwinteo 14:26, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi again, I'm glad that u accepted my earlier proposal as being fair for both parties concerned. 8) Being a PMP myself, I hate to have loose ends hanging whether in work or in this personal Wikipedia project in which i'm undertaking, in helping to raise the quality & profile of SG articles on behalf of the SGpedian community. As my personal efforts r limited, tat's y i came up with the 'Guidelines' for new SG article submissions earlier. Fyi, my involvement for SGpedia wont be for long 'cos of heavy work commitments & overseas travels (I embarked on Wiki after my return from an overseas assignment in late March) As u r a noted 'Defender' of SGpedia, I wld be most grateful if u can 'jaga' my existing works while I'm on wiki-break or no longer around in SG one day. 'Cos usually when my recent works are featured on Wikipedia's Main Page, they were vandalised repeatedly on quite a few occasions afterwards & even a Buddhism-related article was not spared! (See here). Thk u for yr kind compliments & interest shown in my Wiki works all these while -- Aldwinteo 19:24, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Dispute Resolution
Could I request that you refrain from editing Singapore Airlines before you have proposed making changes on the discussion page, and requesting comments on the proposals from other editors before further edits are made? At present, there are several editors who are reverting or overtyping the contributions of others without discussion, with the result that your investment of time and energy in this article is being negated. I recommend that you follow this suggestion, as you are currently at risk of involvement in an Edit war, which has the potential to undermine your credibility and stature as an editor. The points of dispute can be resolved, if you make the effort to work collaboratively. --Gavin Collins 16:02, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Please respond to my comments of today on Talk:Singapore Airlines. --Gavin Collins 15:08, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

List of unrecognized countries
I think the edit you just did wasn't meant that the Vatican wasn't a country, but that it's there since above the table it mentioned about the nations that are members of the U.N. (which the Vatican isn't). You may want to reconsider reverting it back before someone else does. That-Vela-Fella 09:58, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Arbitration Committee ruling
Please be advised that the Arbitration Committee has voted to lift the restrictions on your editing (probation and other remedies) that were imposed in Requests for arbitration/Instantnood 3. This notice is given by a Clerk on behalf of the Arbitration Committee. Newyorkbrad 19:15, 6 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Congrats, brah. SchmuckyTheCat

September 2007
Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. However, talk pages are meant to be a record of a discussion; deleting or editing legitimate comments, as you did at User talk:Sparrowman980, is considered bad practice, even if you meant well. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. If you want to look at its in the Archive September and its at the bottom how about looking for you start reacting! Sparrowman980 05:53, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Singapore Airlines
OK -- I didn't realize the possible inconsistencies in regard to airlines vs. airline groups when I made the change last night. I'll definitely have to look into it before I make any more changes. But, for now, can I ask you not to follow up on Sparrowman980's talk page like that? It seems like you and Russavia have a long-standing issue here ... and I'm not sure trying to confront him on *that particular* talk page is a very productive idea at all, given the frequent archiving, misunderstandings, etc. -- RG2 15:15, 16 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Just out of curiosity -- what exactly is your view on the issue? Should I have included QantasLink and Jetstar and such? Or is it just Russavia's alleged inconsistency (between Qantas and SQ, apparently) that is getting to you? -- RG2 15:27, 16 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, and to follow up on the other point -- the problem is that I've seen you come in with comments like these, when it's clear that someone else has already brought up the issue, and your comment doesn't really do anything to help the situation. And then I saw your mistaken comment about archiving on Sparrowman980's page. (Personally, I could care less if he blanked his entire archive at this point -- it's still all clearly in the page history, if I really needed it.)
 * I think it's fine to butt in as a third party on someone else's page, if the circumstances make sense. But given Sparrowman980's overall behavior toward writing good articles ... what did you really expect to gain from that comment? You should have brought it to Russavia talk page, or even my talk page. -- RG2 15:36, 16 September 2007 (UTC)


 * What? It's certainly all related. It's obvious the majority of Sparrowman980's edits are disruptive, it's obvious that he frequently misreads others' comments, and it's obvious that he's usually not interested into opening up a comprehensible dialogue. So what will comments on his page gain anyone? Nothing. So relax. But, whatever, let's drop it. -- RG2 17:07, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Please see User_talk:Russavia. I think the next step for this long-standing dispute is an RFC. I'd like to keep it centered around Singapore Airlines for now. We can use the findings to deal with articles like Aeroflot in the future, but I'd rather keep focused on the immediate issue at hand right now.

The comments there are largely meant for both of you. Let me know what you think of the RFC. Thanks. -- RG2 02:46, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Question
With regards to Russavia once again taking a jab at Singapore Airlines, perhaps I should point out that he had an important part to play in turning that article into one on the Singapore Airlines Group, so I find it rather ironic that he is "condemning" that action now. He may wish to exercise some impartiality in his comments too. Largest_airlines#By_fleet_size_in_2007 clearly includes several entries which are for airline groups, including Lufthansa, SkyWest, Air France-KLM etc. Why do you disallow Qantas from doing the same, yet condone these entries by removing Qantas, while allowing these entries to remain?--Huaiwei 14:30, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Sry but i am extremley tired.Are you saying that if those can be on that why cant Qantas Group.Also Qantas Group is just Qantas unless i am confused.Sparrowman980 23:11, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

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Russavia
I have noticed that you seem to be having the same problem with Russavia as i am as he believes he is right with everything and continue to put facts that are either out-of-date or useless.I continue to revert his actions.I was wondering if there is any action we can take against Russavia?Sparrowman980 02:41, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of List of largest airlines in Oceania
List of largest airlines in Oceania, an article you created, has been nominated for deletion. We appreciate your contributions. However, an editor does not feel that List of largest airlines in Oceania satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in the nomination space (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and the Wikipedia deletion policy). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/List of largest airlines in Oceania and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ). You are free to edit the content of List of largest airlines in Oceania during the discussion but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Russavia 17:23, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Singapore Airlines fleet
Singapore Airlines fleet, an article you created, has been nominated for deletion. We appreciate your contributions. However, an editor does not feel that Singapore Airlines fleet satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in the nomination space (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and the Wikipedia deletion policy). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/Singapore Airlines fleet and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ). You are free to edit the content of Singapore Airlines fleet during the discussion but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Russavia 18:36, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Singapore Airlines awards and accolades
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AfD nomination of List of largest airlines in Africa
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AfD nomination of List of largest airlines in Asia
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AfD nomination of List of largest airlines in Europe
List of largest airlines in Europe, an article you created, has been nominated for deletion. We appreciate your contributions. However, an editor does not feel that List of largest airlines in Europe satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in the nomination space (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and the Wikipedia deletion policy). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/List of largest airlines in Europe and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ). You are free to edit the content of List of largest airlines in Europe during the discussion but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Russavia 02:38, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Sarong Kebaya
Hi, Huaiwei, I hope you're well!

I see that you're the main man for Singapore articles so you might like to comment on the request I made here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Singapore_Airlines&oldid=163195363#Best_word.3F.

Thanks for your patience and understanding with me. Alice.S 22:37, 8 October 2007 (UTC)