User talk:Hugh Leyton

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Help me

I have already put words here for Help, but they have gone.

How do I get Help Hugh Leyton (talk) 03:04, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

I am getting Totally confused by what is going on.

I have spent 50 years communicating through keyboards, but this is the most confusing i have ever done. I just don't know what is happening.

Can I e-mail communicate with a person  ?

Hugh.Leyton@gmail.com

Rgds   Hugh Leyton Hugh Leyton (talk) 03:12, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

p.s. ¬¬¬¬   that is my  ~   key    what ever it means. -:(
 * Your article is at User:Hugh Leyton/sandbox, which you can also get to using the 'My contributions' tab in the very upper right corner next to 'Log out'. You put your previous statement at User talk:Hugh Leyton/sandbox, but did not inclue the template, so no one knew you needed help. You can also post at New contributors' help page/questions, Editor assistance/Requests, or Help desk; each has unspecified areas of responsibility with some intentional overlap, but editors are unlikely to complain when well-intentioned new editors are only slightly off. As for the email, we don't really do that here. I'm leaving this open for awhile if you have specfic questions. Dru of Id (talk) 03:30, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

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Hi,

I have tried to enter a new article into Wikipedia under my own name  Hugh Leyton. I opened an account on the  10th or 11th June ( Just 2 days ago. ) I was eventually able, with help from others and by using an existing Wikipedia article as an example, I have got almost the whole article in and working in My Sandbox, I think.

The Heading does not appear to show anywhere and I have now been unsuccessful in getting the first Diagram into the article. I tried to upload one diagram, as File : Fig. 6  Interconnections of a 'Leyton 3-2' Transformer configuration.png

I don’t know if it has got into Wikipedia or not, I don’t know how or where to look for it.

The article is called, or should be called “Leyton 3-2” Transformer configuration

So I now need help.

I need help to get the Diagrams into the article. I need help to review the article. I need help to get into the Main Wikipedia

I can’t appear to get the Talk Page working properly I certainly could not get that On-Line Help thing to work. I have been using keyboard communications for 50 years, but that system of Wikipedia is the worst and hardest I have ever seen in 50 years.

The best thing is to communicate by E-mail or something similar, where I can pose my question and then later read replies.

Rgds   Hugh Leyton Hugh.Leyton@gmail.com

Hugh Leyton (talk) 04:09, 13 June 2012 (UTC) p.s.  Hugh Leyton (talk) 04:09, 13 June 2012 (UTC)  are not even on my keyboard.
 * Hi there,
 * Your file appears to of not been uploaded. I should of sorted out the issue with the heading.  Mdann52 (talk) 17:47, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Welcome!
Hello, Hugh Leyton, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful: I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your messages on talk pages using four tildes ( ~ ); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question on this page and then place  before the question. Again, welcome! JohnCD (talk) 18:02, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
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First advice
I am sorry that you have been having difficulties. You should find the links in the Welcome message just above helpful, particularly the Tutorial. If you take a little time to work through that, you should feel more at home.

There is a quick guide to "Wiki markup" at WP:Cheat sheet, and a more detailed reference at Help:Wiki markup. One particular point I see has been causing you trouble - you should not use leading spaces at the beginning of a line to indent text, that causes an effect like this. If when you click "Show preview" you see that effect, it means you have a leading space somewhere. If you want to indent, one or more colon characters : at the beginning of a line will indent the whole following paragraph.

To send a message to another user, click on the word "talk" after their signature and you will be taken to their user talk page; at the top of that, click "New section", fill in a subject heading and your message, ending with the four-tilde ~ signature, and the system will place the message at the bottom of the talk page, which is the place for new messages.

I will give some more specific answers to your questions later today. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 18:02, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Some answers
For images, see:
 * Help:Files
 * WP:File Upload Wizard for how and where to upload an image file
 * WP:Picture tutorial for how to place an image in an article

To make an article "live" from a sandbox page:
 * To move it directly to the encyclopedia, click "Move" at the top of the page. If you don't see "Move", hover the mouse pointer over a downward-pointing triangle just left of the search box, which is at the right-hand end of the second line on the page.


 * In the form that appears, select "(Article)" in the drop-down box at the left of the "To new title" line, and type the name of the article in the box on the right. The move will leave a "redirect" in your sandbox page; you can simply edit over that if you want to use the sandbox for something else, or put db-user at the top (two curly brackets each side) as a request to have it deleted.


 * Alternatively, you can have the draft reviewed by an experienced user by submitting it to WP:Articles for creation. To do that, place   at the top of the page. The article will be moved into a queue, and you will get messages on your user talk page telling what is happening. It may take a few days - the AfC reviewers are volunteers, like everyone here, and are often overloaded.
 * Another time, a good way to start an article is to click on Help:Userspace draft and fill in the article title: that will create a userspace draft form, with a link to useful advice and a "Submit" button to send it to AfC

Your transformer configuration article
I have read your sandbox article and I am sorry to say that I do not think it will be acceptable. The reason is that it is about your own idea or invention, but as an encyclopedia, Wikipedia only reports on things that are already established and have been written about in reliable published sources. Two of our fundamental content policies are: "'If no reliable third-party sources can be found on a topic, Wikipedia should not have an article about it. If you discover something new, Wikipedia is not the place to premiere such a discovery.'" It is also preferred, for reasons explained at Conflict of interest that users do not write about themselves or about anything with which they are closely associated.
 * WP:No original research. You should read the whole of this, but note particularly that it includes:
 * WP:Verifiability: "any material challenged or likely to be challenged must be attributed to a reliable, published source."
 * Linked to these is the Notability requirement, which is not a matter of opinion but has to be demonstrated by showing "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject."

There is a list at Alternative outlets which may suggest places you could publish your paper. We have a sister project Wikiversity which might be a possibility - I do not know much about them, but I know they do permit original research.

I hope you will not be discouraged; Wikipedia is so keen to encourage people to contribute that we do not make it as clear as we should that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and only an encyclopedia, not a general-purpose website. Please leave a note on my talk page, or below here, if you have any questions.

Regards, JohnCD (talk) 21:56, 13 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks JohnCD for your contact.
 * Thanks for pointing out what causes those odd text in a large box.
 * That also happened in my article, but although I did not know how that happenen, it was just ideal, as it marks the places for the Diagrams, I have also put the caption words there.


 * So I now have three queries to be resolved :
 * 1. Did I upload that one Diagram Fig. 6  ? ?
 * Fig._6___Interconnections_of_a_'Leyton_3-2'_Transformer_configuration.png
 * 2. If so, where is it and how do I get that into my article ?
 * 3. How can I get my article reviewed by others, so that i can do any corrections suggested ?


 * Rgds  Hugh Leyton
 * Alt 126 Alt 126 Alt 126 Alt 126 Hugh Leyton (talk) 23:00, 13 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I have indented your response above by adding a colon character : at the beginning of each "paragraph" - that is a technique used on talk pages to make clearer where each contribution ends.


 * No, you did not succeed in uploading that file - I have checked your contributions (which you can see by clicking "My contributions" at the top of the page), and also your deleted contributions (none) and your contributions to Wikimedia Commons (none). I don't know what happened, but under the heading "Some answers" further up this page I have given links to pages which will help you try again.


 * As I explained there, the way to have your article, when it is ready, checked by an experienced user, who will either make it "live" or give you feedback, is to submit it to WP:Articles for creation by putting at the top of it   - just as it appears here, you can copy and paste it from this page. The article will be moved into a queue, and you will get messages on your user talk page telling what is happening. It may take a few days - the AfC reviewers are volunteers, like everyone here, and are often overloaded.


 * You can also, in the meantime, post a message at the WP:Help desk with a link to your draft asking for comments. JohnCD (talk) 18:11, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Reply to queries
'' = = Your transformer configuration article = =

''I have read your sandbox article and I am sorry to say that I do not think it will be acceptable. The reason is that it is about your own idea or invention,''

This article is exactly the SAME as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott-T_transformer Only Technically different. The Scott-T transformer is (2-φ, 90-degree phase rotation)[2] from a three-phase (3-φ, 120-degree phase rotation) source. This article is (2-φ, 180-degree phase rotation) from a three-phase (3-φ, 120-degree phase rotation) source. Otherwise they are the same.

The reason is that it is about your own idea or invention, but as an encyclopedia, Wikipedia only reports on things that are already established

As I say, this is Not New, it is a well established configuration with most major Generator manufacturers. Only they have a mechanically rotating field. This Article uses an Electrical rotating field, just as the Scott-T transformer article has.

any material challenged or likely to be challenged must be attributed to a reliable, source.

Both I an other electrician has installed these and they have been working for years. They are well proven. Most mathematicians can also prove it form themselves, they do not need to look for other sources of information. It is not a new discovery, all I have done is put 1 & 1 together to make 2. I am hoping by puting this article into Wikipedia, it will provide the widely available source for others to do the same thing. Any electrician can do this, themselves, they just need to know the interconnections.

Rgds   Hugh Leyton Hugh Leyton (talk) 23:33, 13 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I have answered above the three questions you posted there - I will also comment on your response here, but I am afraid it will be tomorrow before I have time to do that. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 18:11, 15 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I am not convinced by your arguments. You say that this is "a well established configuration... Only they have a mechanically rotating field. This Article uses an Electrical rotating field". That, and the fact that you call it the "Leyton 3-2 Transformer configuration", suggest that it is something new, in which case WP:No original research applies, and Wikipedia would not have an article about it until it has been published and discussed in external sources.


 * If this is not new, you need to be able to cite references for it. The Scott-T transformer article has five references, where presumably what it says can be verified. The "references" in your draft are just footnotes, except the Leroy-Somer one. Arguments that this is is well-proven, has been working for years, and mathematicians could prove it without looking for sources, do not help with the requirement for WP:Verifiability


 * By all means continue to develop the article, but it will certainly be challenged, and if it is to be made acceptable you need to understand the grounds on which it will be challenged. To sum them up:


 * WP:No original research: "To demonstrate that you are not adding OR, you must be able to cite reliable, published sources that are directly related to the topic of the article, and directly support the material being presented... If no reliable third-party sources can be found on a topic, Wikipedia should not have an article about it. If you discover something new, Wikipedia is not the place to premiere such a discovery... Do not combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources."
 * WP:Verifiability: "any material challenged or likely to be challenged must be attributed to a reliable, published source"
 * WP:Notability - has the topic received significant coverage in reliable independent sources?
 * WP:Conflict of interest - if it seems that you are promoting your own idea.
 * It would be worth reading those policies/guidelines in full. JohnCD (talk) 14:27, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Licensing and restrictions on use
Your note says "no one or any concern may use any part of this article for any copyright or patented device." If you publish here, I do not think you can make that restriction. As it says in the second line under the edit box, by clicking "Save page" "...you irrevocably agree to release your contribution under the CC-BY-SA 3.0 License and the GFDL". CC-BY-SA permits copying, modification, and re-use for any purpose including commercial, subject only to the restrictions that the original author must be credited and that any redistribution must be under the same license. Once published, you cannot retract or alter that license. See WP:Copyrights.

You should read the full small print of those licenses to be sure that you are happy to release your contribution under their terms. If not, don't submit it, because you cannot modify the terms by a clause such as your footnote. JohnCD (talk) 14:32, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

>>>>> Hi,  What my Note says, is that it is fee for any and all purposes. But no company or person can use this information to prohibit others from using it. Is that not resonable ? That simply makes sure it is open and free for all people. Yes they can use it for commercial purposes, but they can't then put a restriction of their own on it, such as patent.

Rgds   Hugh Hugh.Leyton@gmail.com

Other places to ask for comment
Looking at the history of the Scott-T transformer article, I see that user edited it recently; you could leave a note on his talk page asking for comments. To give him a link to your draft, write its name between double square brackets, like this:  User:Hugh Leyton/sandbox  which produces a "wikilink" User:Hugh Leyton/sandbox. You could also leave a message on the talk page of WP:WikiProject Engineering, a group of editors interested in engineering subjects. JohnCD (talk) 14:44, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

>>>>>>>  Thanks....  I will try to do both those things, if I can figure out how to do them.

120/240V electric power from 3-phase
I have tried to put this second article into my Sandbox. But it appears to have got mixed up with the first article. And now the References won't work. They did in the first article, but just won't work for the second article. :-( Hugh Leyton (talk) 04:24, 19 June 2012 (UTC)