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Thank you for inserting the reference. I did not know that Project Gutenberg had made it available.

You asked "Why miss out of this book?", in your edit on Almroth Wright and since you asked, I thought I might answer.

The reason I had not thought of including that book earlier, is that I was only interested in the medical history. I began taking an interest when a lot of physicians "re-discovered" his works and warnings so long ago.

His view on Woman Suffrage is amusing today. The book is quite well written, and very logical, which is totally in his style, as was his inability to comprehend why anyone would be offended by his views. His view were logical, after all.

Just goes to show how limited logic can be sometimes, doesnt it?

Again, thank you for including it. DanielDemaret 10:40, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Welcome
Since not many people pass by on Wikipedia who would have heard of the likes of Oliver Strachey and Michael Crum, I thought I should say "hi" and welcome you to the project properly...so, um, Welcome to Wikipedia! You seem to know what you're doing, but feel free to drop me a note if you need any help with anything. &mdash; Matt Crypto 15:16, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Well categories is a challenge (not on Crypto subjects though), and so is referencing. hence I just say (Irons page 99) with Iron's book listed in the Reference section. Hugo999 10:18, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Oliver Strachey and Michael Crum
I am sadly or possibly blissfultt ignorant of both Oliver Strachey and Michael Crum. Do you think I should know of them? Thank you for your welcome. DanielDemaret 16:00, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi Daniel. While I was actually addressing Hugo999 (this being his talk page and all), you are of course very welcome as well, although you seem to have been around Wikipedia long enough that it's a bit belated by now ;-) As for Strachey and Crum, they were British codebreakers. We should probably have an article on them; there's certainly enough material for Strachey. &mdash; Matt Crypto 16:06, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Strachey certainly, Crum maybe. Perhaps another B-P page for minor characters at B-P who may not warrant their own page? (I created one for Bob Roseveare who is a distant relative as well as being at B-P, but it has been tagged). Hugo999 10:24, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

See Oliver Strachey, perhaps Hugh Foss as another old (prewar) hand.

Welcome!
Hi - sorry about this, but I've just reverted your additions to the list of Aus & NZ advertising characters. Advertising characters are fictional characters created specifically for the advertismenets (like Cookie Bear and Madge), not celebrity endorsements or real people using their real names. Grutness...wha?  23:11, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

User page
It would be good if you wrote a little about yourself (not too much) on your user page. It is not a home page, but it belongs to the wiki as general information. Perhaps, take an interest in the layout of others' users pages before starting your own. Snowman 14:35, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Regarding edits to Swallows and Amazons (series)
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Am not sure which of several links was objected to but none I am involved with and as far as I am aware they are not commercial sites or spam. One on book editions does have cover images for books in various languages but with descriptions of them. Hugo999 13:24, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

May 2007
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Public transport in New Zealand
Hi. You recently added material to this article. Could you please do Wikipedia the favour of getting a reference for that? All additions of actual content (as opposed to tweakings or rephrasings) should be referenced. Cheers. Ingolfson 08:09, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

The references willo be on the main article ie Trams in New Zealand, when I split Trams in Australasia. Should refs from articles be duplicated in overview articles, when the article on Trams in NZ will include them?


 * Well, my personal experience is that anything not very general and immediately followed by a link to the relevant Wikipedia article is fair game for some deletionists, but maybe I am simply getting a bit overcautious. Have a look at what I did in Public_transport_in_Auckland, with the reference I provide "there" (currently its ref # 16). I basically make it look like a reference, and then provide the links to the articles where the references are located (sometimes this may be double linking, but as I said, I had some bad calls from other people). That should prevent over-eager placing of 'citation required' tags, or deletion. Ingolfson 13:02, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

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Split
Hi Hugo999—Thanks for working to improve the articles on trams. They look good. There is one thing I must point out, they are not new articles. Please read up on how to merge histories, I have spent a little time on it myself. It is not appropriate to copy and paste without the article history, so read up on the merging/moving guidelines. Thanks,  Fred ☻  08:37, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

B-32 Dominator
Hugo, I removed your addition about it being a fallback aircraft in the B-29 Superfortress article because you had no reference or citation for it. Yes, the article of the B-32 does say the same, but does not directly reference the statement. the USAF Factsheet does say it was a backup. You could formulate a correctly made statement for inclusion at the appropriate place near the top of the 29 article, and provide the correct ref.../ref clause to the sentence. Feel free to do this. Glad to assist you if you have any questions... and welcome to Wiki-land... a great place to learn many editing techniques and writing in an enclyclopedic fashion. Best regards, LanceBarber 02:24, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Will find a reference, though don't know if I can manage the referencing/linking! Hugo999 13:22, 17 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Hugo, edit this section and disect this simple reference line
 * A sentence. or a little more complex
 * Sentence 2.
 * Further in the text sentence 'n'.
 * Awkward sentence with the ref.

And in all articles there is (or suppose to be) a Reference Section and underneath it there is either ''' to the article and state your intention on the article's talk page. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. VivioFa teFan  (Talk, Sandbox) 11:54, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

The content has been added. The page fills in a gap in NZ MPs. As he was a backbench Member of Parliament there is not much, but he links to a number of pages Hugo999 12:52, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

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DYK
The Onehunga Branch also lost passenger services due to competition fron trams Hugo999 (talk) 06:52, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Herbert John Walker
Hi, do you have a source for the above individuals death? I search for an obituary but couldn't find one (I'm pretty crap at searching though). I was wondering if you could provide one so that he could be added to Deaths in 2008. Cheers, CP 21:41, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Well my source was a death notice from the family in the Dominion Post (Wellington) of today (7 Jan). I would prefer to add as a source an obituary when one appears (probably Thursday, the Dom's day for obits!) Or one from a Christchurch paper Hugo999 (talk) 21:49, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

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for creating the article: Henry Demarest Lloyd. I really needed that, and when I checked, Wikipedia did not have this article, I come back and we now have one! :) -- penubag  (talk) 22:09, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Locomotive Tender
Hi Hugo999, sorry for the delay in responding to your message - you left your message in the middle of my userpage, not on my talk page, so I have only just noticed it. My userpage gets a lot of vandalism, so it got lost in the edit history. In response to the specific issue you raised, you said:


 * Re the Locomotive tender article, I object to your deleting the link I put in on the basis that as it was US practice only so not really helpful. But how many website articles will cover practice throughout the world? I think a regional article can still be useful, and worth linking to.


 * The Wiki article itself has no definition of a Vanderbilt tender and I had put in this link as I had linked the article to my amendment of NZR G class (1928). Previously this article red-linked to "Vanderbuilt" (sic).

In general we prefer external links to be about the subject of the article. This means that an article about tenders should generally have links that are about all tenders, not just those in the US. However, I think you are right that we may need to make do with links that are more restrictive in this case. I was too hasty in removing that link. I have restored it with a link title that reflects the fact that it is about US practice. Thanks for letting me know about my mistake, Gwernol 13:23, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

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State Services Commissioners
Hey nice work finding the first names of the State Service Commissioners. I have been struggling. Where did you find them? Matt (talk) 00:03, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Well in "Whos Who in NZ" (Turnbull Library has a full set) or in Alastair Taylor's "Honoured by the Queen" etc (also birth). Taylor has Robert Martin Williams not Robin Martin Williams so will check him further. And birthdates from Public Service lists in Archives NZ. Do you think Mark Prebble would like people to know his birthday - some have year/month, some have full date Hugo999 (talk) 22:39, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Kind of a funny question. Do you reckon people would send Mark Prebble cards? I think if it is public knowledge then it shouldn't hurt (though it is impossible to know what people's preferences are).

Matt (talk) 23:25, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

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NZ elections
Wonderful about the commonalities, but where are you saying this standard has been created? WP:MoS abhors abbreviations in article titles-UK, US, and USA routinely get expanded where they are found. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 00:43, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Well I don't know where or when because it was before my time, but see New Zealand electorates or Category:New Zealand electorates Hugo999 (talk) 00:48, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

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Category:American Rhodes Scholars
Category:American Rhodes Scholars should also be a subcategory, so could someone knowledgeable do it please Hugo999 (talk) 05:43, 29 April 2008 (UTC)


 * It's already there; it's been there for at least 12 months.
 * Or am I missing something? Pdfpdf (talk) 10:26, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Well just done it recently - the Category:American Rhodes Scholars was there but unlike all the other nationalities it was not a subcategory of Category:Rhodes Scholars.

But now if you go to Category:Rhodes Scholars you see Category:American Rhodes Scholars as a subcategory along with say Category:Australian Rhodes Scholars. And 4 Americans now in Category:American Rhodes Scholars not Category:Rhodes Scholars Hugo999 (talk) 11:06, 29 April 2008 (UTC)


 * So, does that mean your problem is now fixed? Pdfpdf (talk) 11:45, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes thanks (and I think I can now alter categories!) Hugo999 (talk) 00:41, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

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1981 NZ election
Hi Hugo, I'm currently having a disagreement about Mel Courtney on the New Zealand general election, 1981 page and since you're the other person who has edited it recently could you come and give your opinion on the matter? I don't want to just revert edits again. Regards, Mattlore (talk) 07:53, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

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This is a belated thank you for your reply to my query; I found some more on the subject, so I've posted it here. Thanks again! Xyl 54 (talk) 14:57, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

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The Michael Fowler (animator) article has been nominated for deletion. PhilKnight (talk) 16:08, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * After looking more closely - it appears the article you started about the architect was hijacked and turned into a hoax article. Sorry to bother you about this. PhilKnight (talk) 20:37, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes, Architect and former Mayor of Wellington Hugo999 (talk) 23:46, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

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Hi, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. It appears that you recently tried to move Alexander von Tunzelman by copying its content and pasting it into Alexander von Tunzelmann. This is known as a "cut and paste move", and it is considered undesirable because it splits the page history which is needed for attribution and various other purposes. Instead, the software used by Wikipedia has a feature that allows pages to be moved to a new title together with their edit history.

In this case, you seem to have known how to move a page the correct way, because you first moved the existing article (and its history) from the two-n's title to the one-n title; but then, instead of moving it back the same way, you copied-and-pasted instead. Perhaps you were in a hurry, but it would have been much preferred for you to have moved the page back using the "move" tab.

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No others: I could not move Alexander von Tunzelman back as there had been a page at the other spelling Hugo999 (talk) 01:36, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

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New article
I need you to create article Sherman bus crash, thank, with something like this:

A bus chartered by Vietnamese pilgrims crashed in Texas on Friday August 8 2008, killing at least 15 people and wounding dozens more, police said. The bus, carrying 55 people, drove off a major highway overpass bridge shortly after midnight and crashed in the town of Sherman, some 96 kilometers north of Dallas. "A blown tire on the bus may have caused the driver to lose control," Sherman police said. Local media said the group was from the Vietnamese Martyrs Church of Houston, and was on its way to an annual celebration in honor of the Virgin Mary.

External links Done Hugo999 (talk) 04:26, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Bus Crash North of Dallas Kills 12
 * Illegal Tire Found in Bus Crash That Killed 15
 * Deadly Texas Bus Crash
 * Xe chở giáo dân đi hành hương Đại Hội Thánh Mẫu gặp tai nạn: ít nhất 15 người thiệt mạng
 * 14 người Việt hành hương thiệt mạng vì tai nạn xe buýt96.229.193.68 (talk) 04:21, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank, I'll ask you again when need. 96.229.193.68 (talk) 04:34, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * see Sherman, Texas bus accident (NB Road accidents 2008 is a subset of Transportation disasters 2008) Hugo999 (talk) 04:51, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * You could fix it. 96.229.193.68 (talk) 05:01, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Within the Transportation Disasters category, accidents are put in the appropriate subcategory ir Air, Road, Rail or Maritime (or for Level Crossings, both!). Hence each subattegory can be looked at seperately, and the subcategories also link into the appropriate main category eg Rail Accidents also link into the general Rail category as well as into the general Disaster category. Hugo999 (talk) 22:21, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Accidents categories
Hi, I have reverted your changes to 7 July 2005 London bombings (diff) and 2006 Digampathana bombing (diff). While both events were transportation-related, neither was an "accident"; rather, they were both deliberate bombings. –Black Falcon (Talk) 16:05, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Re the 2006 Digampathana bombing and 7 July 2005 London bombing not being Accidents, the Category:Transportation disasters is a general category. However while the Aviation and Maritime subcategories include all “incidents” the Rail and Road (including Bus) subcategories are “accidents”. I think all four subcategories though should include all “incidents” even if they are not “accidents”. Anyone looking for incidents involving Buses may not be interested in the cause; and excluding non-accidents from Road & Rail subcategories means that if a terrorist group simultaneously blew up an aircraft, ship, train and bus only the first two would appear in the appropriate subcategory of Transportation disasters.

Accidents only would exclude (1) Terrorism incidents (2) War-related incidents (3) Suicide, Road Rage, Vandalism and any other crimes. Two of the Level crossing accidents (which are both a Road and Rail accident) involve suicides or supposed suicides. Hugo999 (talk) 01:37, 17 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I can see the logic behind your argument and, after some thought, agree that a category of "rail incidents" is probably more useful to readers than one of "rail accidents" only. However, in that case, shouldn't the categories be renamed from "accidents" to "incidents" to reflect the change in inclusion criteria? –Black Falcon (Talk) 06:00, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Logically, yes: Railway incidents and Road incidents would have been a better name in hindsight than Railway accidents and Road accidents. But with Railway accidents starting in the 19th century (say 130 years) and Road accidents starting in the 20th century (say 100 years) there are all those categories (230?) to change. How many pages is that? And with Categories you can’t use a redirect as with Pages; every page in that category must be changed. Between 1 and say 4 Pages per year for rail accidents. Less for Road accidents as they are mainly Bus accidents and only 23 years out of 100 in the 20th century. But still say 40 Road accident pages and 260+ Rail accident pages plus amending every Transportation disaster Category since the mid-19th century it would be a massive job! Let sleeping dogs lie? And point out on the Transport? Project that (Road/Rail) accidents includes incidents? Hugo999 (talk) 15:05, 17 August 2008 (UTC)


 * It would indeed be a massive job, but it would all be done by bots if the categories were nominated for renaming at Categories for discussion, and due to the potential undesirability of categorising deliberate bombings as "accidents", I think that it is a change worth making. However, given the number of categories involved, I agree that it would be prudent to note the issue at WikiProject Transport, which I have done here. –Black Falcon (Talk) 16:00, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

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A&G Price BRRS loco
Sorry if I have mislead you (possibly readers as well) but The BRRS's Price loco was not a shunter, it was built in a batch of 3 for Ohai Coal Board. It was never 3ft 6in gauge. But you can still put it on the A & G Price page as 3 2ft gauge locos built. I will try to get photos of the 3 locos ready to be shipped from the factory. Yak52fan (talk) 09:07, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Well then I will say Locomotive not Shunter. Perhaps they were like the EE NZR DE class, described as shunters but used for suburban traffic (& Royal Train). But was the Ohai Line 2 ft gauge? The Wairio Branch page talks about it being an "extension" of the national system? Hugo999 (talk) 14:20, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

As far as i know the 2ft gauge wagons went into the mines and were pushed out by hand, then were made into a consist and then the loco would pick them up to take them to the plant. From there the coal was put from the 2ft gauge wagons up into a building that would put it then into the 3ft 6in train and it would go off down the line (Wairio Branch?). This is just my assumption. Yak52fan (talk) 01:30, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

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Tepid Baths
Hi - you recently added info to the tepid baths article. Could you please provide references for this? Thank you. Ingolfson (talk) 11:01, 16 September 2008 (UTC) found the book! Hugo999 (talk) 21:00, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Hiya - Eagles Nest
Hello - that was already in "Hotels of NZ", which in turn is a subcat of "Buildings and structures of NZ". Cheers, Ingolfson (talk) 10:17, 18 September 2008 (UTC) Oops - one of the few not in a town/city and needing the location category Hugo999 (talk) 23:19, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

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Databank
I didn't tag the article to be deleted; I tagged it as possibly not being notable. The place to complain about this is the page's talk page. To fix the issue, alter the article to show why the subject was notable and, ideally, back it up with references. When you've done that, remove the notability tag. --Helenalex (talk) 09:29, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

New article
I would like you to create article Tân Sơn Nhất International Airport fire from here, you may write a short paragraph, I will expand it later, thank. 96.229.193.68 (talk) 18:28, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay replying, but is a fire lasting a few hours (and no deaths) particularly notable and needing an article? Perhaps a note on the main article on the Airport; does it have one? Hugo999 (talk) 04:11, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Outback
Outback=plains? a bit odd to say the least SatuSuro 02:42, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

The two Outback articles were already in the "Plains" category; I just moved them to subcategory "Plains of Australia". Apart from "Plains" category, "Desert" perhaps instead? Hugo999 (talk) 05:10, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Links both ways
If a subject A has links to B, then ask why does not B link to A. Although I have no connection to Birmingham, the pages Richard Mawrey and Birmingham City Council now link to each other re local body electoral fraud in two wards in 2004; the Mawrey article mentioned Birmingham but did not link to the Birmingham City Council page! Hugo999 (talk) 08:38, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Political scandals in Australia
Hi. Before you take it too far... I question the need for Category:Political scandals in Australia, when Category:Political controversies in Australia already exists. How are they different? Peter Ballard (talk) 10:49, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Well "Political scandals" is a standard Wiki category so "Political scandals in Australia" is part of Category:Political scandals by country with 28 countries in it (plus quite a few in the main category, not by country). "Scandal" rather than "Controversy" is rather non-neutral ie implying that the accusation is true though. Hugo999 (talk) 11:27, 13 November 2008 (UTC)


 * OK, thanks, I see why now. I've opened up discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Australian politics Peter Ballard (talk) 01:09, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

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Ohinemuri Electorate
Here are some details for the Ohinemuri Electorate, New Zealand: Jackson Palmer 1900-1902/3?; Edward George Britton Moss 1902-1905; Hugh Poland 1905-1925. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.54.207.99 (talk) 18:45, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Mid-Canterbury Electorate
Information for the Mid-Canterbury Electorate, New Zealand: Jeremiah Connolly 1931-1935 & Horace Edgar Herring 1935-1938. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.54.207.99 (talk) 19:15, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

OK then, though I had intended to do missing later (1984+) electorates first. Re Jeremiah Connolly, I have put a note on the discussion page saying he is not the Connolly in the Boer War Hugo999 (talk) 04:19, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Timaru Electorate
FYI. William Hall-Jones 1890-1908; James Craigie 1908-1922; Francis Rolleston 1922-1928; Clyde Carr 1928-1962; Sir Basil Arthur, 5th Baronet 1962-1985; Maurice McTigue 1985-1993 & Jim Sutton 1993-1996.

Thank you for your work on the Mid-Canterbury and Ohinemuri Electorates. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.54.207.115 (talk) 06:04, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Merge proposal
In case you haven't noticed, a page you created, Mid-Atlantic gap, is proposed for merging with Air Gap (Battle of the Atlantic), in the fashion of this. Any opposition, or other thoughts, can be registered here. Thanks for your attention. TREKphiler  hit me ♠  17:40, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Hämeenkatu
You moved Hämeenkatu from Category:Streets to Category:Roads in Finland. I have to question this. Hämeenkatu is a street, not a road. It is the main street of Tampere, and by far the most, if not all, of it, is located in the Tampere urban area. It is a way for people to walk or drive within Tampere. In contrast, all the other articles in the category Roads in Finland are about roads connecting different cities in Finland. That's the distinction I see between streets and roads: a street is a way to get around inside one city, whereas a road is a way to get from one city to another. J I P | Talk 21:47, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

I was moving various "streets" from the general category "streets" to a category of Finland; it is internal to a place too. This could mean creating a category for one page which I have done before! The other way is to create a category "Streets in Finland" which I have now done. Some countries have some streets in minor towns/cities in the "streets by country" category eg Australia with a street in Griffin. While for others like Serbia the only streets are in the subcategory "streets in Belgrade". Anyway every "streets in XYZ" city should also be in the "streets in country of XYZ" category. Looking at Piispansilta it could be classed as a street internal to a place not a road between places too?? Hugo999 (talk) 22:45, 28 November 2008 (UTC)