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Category:Ancient Jewish women
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New Zealand general election, 1960
You've left one gap for in 1960; probably an omission. It gives me great delight to see all these templates being populated!  Schwede 66  05:50, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I noted I have that figure to look up in the National Library. And that just leaves the majorities to add from the NZES spreadsheets for 1960, 1963 & 1990. Hugo999 (talk) 06:45, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Steven Swart


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Category:Ancient church buildings
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Category:Medieval church buildings
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Category:Tennis in Macau
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The Bugle: Issue CXII, July 2015
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Important
Alexiulian25 (talk) 09:24, 24 July 2015 (UTC)Hello, I have seen you add informations on the page: 1920–21 Divizia A (Cupa Jean Luca P. Niculescu) here you have a reference to complete it. and also in the book " istoria fotbalului romanesc" the history of romanian football, the official book of the FRF. the champions was not Venus ! the actualy champions was Tricolor ! they won the final 3-2. please correct it. and add all of this information and I will add more from the book. I got the book !
 * Re the above page, I altered some of the categories, but not the article. You should be able to add/correct any information in the article yourself. Hugo999 (talk) 08:50, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Referencing
Hi Hugo, if you allow, here are some easy tips for better referencing. First something about shortened footnotes:
 * this referencing system ought to be used when you reference different parts from the same book, on more than one occasion
 * when this is the case, there's generally a header "Notes" (and  goes there) and "References", which lists all the books that are quoted from
 * if an article is already set up like this, additional book references should be added to the list of other books, and not as an inline reference
 * shortened footnotes look like this:
 * shortened footnotes produce a wikilinked reference, and for this link to work, there needs to be the  parameter as part of the book reference

If an article doesn't use shortened footnotes:
 * add books as inline references between  tags

And some general things:
 * no space between punctuation and references
 * space between page numbers

I hope this is useful. Any questions - please ask.  Schwede 66  08:03, 28 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Well not all the book reference templates include the “harv” code, but will look for those that do. Using the shortened footnotes, for two or more pages I would use say 197-199 (or 197-9)? with a dash for several consecutive pages rather than just a space; or 197, 324 for two pages referring to the same event ie comma and space Hugo999 (talk) 22:49, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
 * No, it's when you use more than one reference. One with one page number (or numbers), and the next reference with a different page number (see, for example, Canterbury Province, where the Wigram book is referred to twice). If you only refer to a book once, it doesn't require shortened footnotes. When you use a dash for numbers, it should be an endash.  Schwede 66  06:18, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

Category:1999 US Open Series
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The Bugle: Issue CXIII, August 2015
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Category:Military of Oceania
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Are you a student at the Scots School Albury?
Are you a student or have you been a student at the Scots School Albury? Catmando999  Check out his talk page!  06:22, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

No, Wellington College, New Zealand Hugo999 (talk) 02:10, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Vandalism
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 * A message from an unregistered user with an IP address only which does not state what is objected to, so will ignore. Hugo999 (talk)!~


 * Good on ya. Catmando999   Check out his talk page!  06:17, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

Category:Taverns in the United States
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The Bugle: Issue CXIV, September 2015
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WikiProject New Zealand/governments
Hello, I note that you have contributed to WikiProject New Zealand/governments in the past, are you willing to join me in re-creating it? It is no longer in use and New Zealand politics articles in general need substantial improving. Drop me a line if you want to help: There is work to do! Kiwiteen123 (#talk)
 * Why not have this discussion on the project talk page?  Schwede 66  21:21, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

Category:1914 in South-West Africa
Hi, I have nominated Category:1914 in South-West Africa for speedy merging to Category:1914 in German South-West Africa. – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:15, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

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The Bugle: Issue CXV, October 2015
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who are you? How did you update the page on Kevin Cas, only wondering because I requested for it to be updated ages ago
 * Well, I cant even find an article about "Kevin Cas! Hugo999 (talk) 19:36, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

Categories for 10th/11th century Russian/Ukrainian people
Hello. No criticism, but I was a bit surprised when I saw your edit on Yaroslav the Wise adding four categories for 10th/11th century Russian and Ukrainian people, since he was neither a Russian nor a Ukrainian but a Varangian, i.e. ethnic Scandinavian, and prince of Kiev and Novgorod. And not only wasn't he Russian/Ukrainian but neither Russia nor the Ukraine existed back then, nor did the Russian/Ukrainian peoples as we now know them. So what's the rationale behind adding him to those categories, and indeed the rationale behind those categories? To me it's almost as anachronistic as creating categories for 13th/14th century Americans. Please see East Slavs, and note what it says about East Slavs, that is speakers of the Old East Slavic language, being a single group in the 10th-15th centuries, with separate groups, i.e. Russians, Ukrainians and Belarussians, not being clearly discernible until the 17th century... Thomas.W talk 22:12, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

Re the subcategories for centuries in Ukraine, what century would you start with? I added Category:9th century in Ukraine and Category:10th century in Ukraine to be to be a parent for the existing Category:9th-century Ukrainian princes. The category Category:Medieval Ukrainian royalty includes Ruthenian princes and Rulers of Kievan Rus’, The category Category:Varangians regards them as “Russian people of Swedish descent” as they are an ethnic Scandanavian dynasty in this part of Europe, whether categorised as Russian or Ukrainian. Hugo999 (talk) 22:59, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I would start with the 16th century for separate categories for Russians, Belarussians, Ukrainians and possibly Ruthenians, and use common categories for East Slavs before that. Which probably wouldn't go down well with nationalists in that part of the world, the kind of people who frequently try to rewrite history here, but you can't please everyone if you want it to be historically correct. Thomas.W talk 23:13, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, unlikely to get a consensus! Hugo999 (talk) 01:16, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

New categories and interwiki
Hello!

I noticed that you created a number of categories. Sometimes they have an easy-to-find equivalent in a foreign language, and you can easily add them with just one click. I linked with existing de:Kategorie:Orientalisch-orthodoxes Kloster, fr:Catégorie:Monastère orthodoxe oriental and no:Kategori:Orientalsk-ortodokse klostre, and  with de:Kategorie:Kirchliche Organisation (orientalisch-orthodox), but there are plenty of others that can be linked: Please ask me if you find it hard to edit these interwiki links or don't see how to do it! Place Clichy (talk) 13:54, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
 * For instance, (and all its subcategories) can/should be linked to de:Kategorie:Klosterbau nach Kontinent, es:Categoría:Monasterios por continente, pt:Categoria:Mosteiros por continente and their subcategories.
 * Well the Wiki help (Interwiki links) doesen't seem to cover these interwiki links for categories, and non-European language wikis would be even more difficult. Hugo999 (talk) 12:43, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm not really sure what you mean here. Categories do have interwiki links (have a look for instance at, which has plenty of them), and Wikidata even has a specific instance for them: Wikimedia category. I see that the help page for interlanguage links does not specifically mention the Category namespace (maybe it should be amended to reflect that) but it is still a common practice. As you seem to be a big creator of categories, I can only suggest you to do as I do when creating a new category: check interwiki links for the mother of child categories in other languages, and quickly look if there an obvious equivalent (believe me, there often is, as in the examples above). Doing so greatly helps the encyclopaedia. Again, please ask me if you don't manage to create these links. Place Clichy (talk) 10:21, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

Marie Serneholt
If you want to, please take a look at this weeks TAFI selected article, Marie Serneholt. Regards.--BabbaQ (talk) 21:48, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Well it looks OK to me (perhaps could have categories "21st-century singers" and "21st-century Swedish people" - or "21st-century Swedish singers" which I will create, seeing that there are categories for 18th & 19th century Swedish singers. Hugo999 (talk) 22:00, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXVI, November 2015
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George Holt Thomas
Hi Hugo. This guy started his first newspaper in 1903, wouldn't that make him a 20th century newspaper proprietor? Regards from Auckland, Eddaido (talk) 01:35, 25 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Have changed his 19th century category to "newspaper publisher" (as he joined the family firm) but left him in his 20th century "newspaper founder" category for starting a new one in 1903 (19th century newspaper founder being a subcategory of 19th century newspaper publisher/proprieter etc). Hugo999 (talk) 01:52, 25 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Many thanks, Eddaido (talk) 01:59, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

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Ship categories
The category "(year) ships" is for ships launched in that year. It it not for ships decommissioned in that year. Mjroots (talk) 15:19, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Well the post-2000 ship "decommissionings" (which I took as a guide) were in the "(year) ships" categories; it was the older entries (as for commissionings) that I changed. Hugo999 (talk) 20:27, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

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Natural luge track article
hy, would you like to help me creating a site for natural luge track? greetings from Italy Rodelfreak (talk) 21:39, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

Re natural luges, I have no knowledge about them, but suggest that most are listed in List of natural luge tracks. None seem to warrant their own article, but if you think one warrants an article (if it is frequently used for luge competitions?) I suggest you look at the articles in Category:Olympic luge venues. Hugo999 (talk) 06:46, 26 March 2016 (UTC) PS: I think you should become a registered used first.

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Category:World War II internment camps in the United Kingdom has been nominated for discussion
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Years in British Overseas Territories post-1980
There is some overlap at present, but it appears that post-1980 (?) individual years in Category:Years in British Overseas Territories should replace Category:Years in the British Empire. At present it goes to Category:1999 in the British Empire, The earliest year category in British Overseas Territories is Category:1967 in British Overseas Territories. Hugo999 (talk) 01:42, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

Edit-a-thon in Wellington, May 29
Hi there. I'm organising an edit-a-thon at Te Papa on Sunday May 29th, focussed on adding NZ flora and fauna species to Wikipedia. It would be good to have some more experienced editors along to help any complete beginners, and I wonder if you might be interested in attending. If so, feel free to add yourself to the Meetup/Wellington/2016_Edit-a-thon. It would be great to have a good turnout and show Te Papa there's an active local editing community. Giantflightlessbirds (talk) 22:41, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

If you can make it, that would be great. There'll be subject experts there, but they won't know much about wiki formatting, references, categories, and so on, and more experienced Wikipedians would be a help. See you in May I hope, Giantflightlessbirds (talk) 02:15, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXXI, April 2016
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Category:Electric power transmission systems by country has been nominated for discussion
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Natural track luge
Hello Hugo999, please help me to create an article about natural luge (maybe you know about the the track in Naseby - New Zealand). Sorry, my English is not very good, greeting from Southtyrol/Italy Rodelfreak --Rodelfreak (talk) 13:06, 13 May 2016 (UTC) https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturbahnrodeln

Hi, I have little knowledge of Luge. Or of Naseby in Otago in the deep south of New Zealand. Looking at the List of natural luge tracks most (all?) natural tracks do not justify their own article. I would say to expand the "Natural track luge" section of the Luge article first, unless you have too much material for that section! Hugo999 (talk) 02:36, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

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Scientist?
Hi, I'm not convinced about this. did you read the article or just go off the fact that the anthropology category is present? If anything, he was an amateur historian and folklorist, not a scientist. Anthropology is a broad church, especially when amateurs like Russell get involved. - Sitush (talk) 08:30, 22 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Well "British anthropologist" is a subcategory of "British scientist" (though I thought another of the four in that category was doubtful as a (19th-century British) scientist Hugo999 (talk) 08:35, 22 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Yes, I realise that. It might be more of an issue relating to the category arrangements than the article subject. No way was Russell a scientist - British administrators of that period were either scientific racists or folklorists (it's one of my pet subjects!), and he was more of a William Crooke than an H. H. Risley. The category hierarchy etc on Wikipedia is a complete mess and I often see people saying it should be torn down and re-created. - Sitush (talk) 08:40, 22 June 2016 (UTC)


 * BTW, Scientific racism isn't a science! Well, not by modern standards anyway. - Sitush (talk) 08:42, 22 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Sorry to pester you. Perhaps the problem is that Category:British anthropologists should be under Category:British social scientists rather than Category:British scientists. - Sitush (talk) 09:00, 22 June 2016 (UTC)


 * (Pgae Stalker who got here from somewhere else) I agree, Category:British anthropologists should be under Category:British social scientists. --Rosiestep (talk) 14:06, 22 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Rosiestep. I've asked whether they would like to comment because they're clued-up on categorisation, which I am generally not. - Sitush (talk) 15:54, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Coming here per ping, and per request on my talk page. I see that Category:Anthropologists is a subcat of Category:Social scientists, and Anthropology is a subcat of Category:Social sciences. So it makes sense to me that Category:British anthropologists should be under Category:British social scientists.

However, that doesn't really change anything wrt the edit which prompted this discussion. A social scientist is still a type of scientist according the prevailing view, so Category:19th-century British scientists is an appropriate categ for a 19th-century British social scientist. (Personally, I regard the the term "social science" as an unhelpful and distracting characterisation of the aims and methodologies of those critically important intellectual disciplines, but my minority view is irrelevant to the categorisation issues here). - Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:44, 22 June 2016 (UTC)


 * So we can rationalise the categories by adjusting the 19th-century British scientists one but, as you say, it really doesn't resolve my real issue. I haven't looked at who added the Anthropologists category to that article but I suspect that, too, is incorrect. I see what the sources call him, although the article really speaks for itself regarding his methods etc. Agree re: social science as a term, btw - I think it may have been introduced as a way of legitimising some disciplines that other academics considered to be "wishy-washy". - Sitush (talk) 16:55, 22 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Looking at Robert Vane Russell he is classed as an ethnographer and anthropologist (i.e. a scientist; whether those categories are in the intermediate category of social scientist or not). And a statistician, which is a subcategory of mathematics. Regardless of the validity of his apparently racist views, he is the author/coauthor of a number of papers. I did decide that Alice E. Gillington though one of the four British 19c ethnographers was more of a folklorist than a scientist. I created the “British scientists by century” categories as I was surprised that British occupations by century did not include scientists ( “on tap but not on top”, C. P. Snow and all that). I would expect scientists to be classified by their speciality (e.g. British chemists) and century (e.g. 19th-century British scientists) Hugo999 (talk) 22:18, 22 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Yes, I am aware of how Russell has been categorised. That doesn't mean it is right. Perhaps I should ask you again to read the article. - Sitush (talk) 22:22, 22 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Re Russell again, the papers do make him an anthropologist; Anthropometry is a sub-branch of anthropology. And “Superintendent” is an administrative post, not an academic one; the qualifications (if any) required would depend on the organisation (here the Indian Civil Service). Many would not be scientists or historians. Hugo999 (talk) 22:53, 22 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Indeed, he wasn't a scientist or historian. He was an administrator. That's what the article says. I am not aware of any papers written by him, just the co-authored, multi-volume work with Hira Lal. This seems ridiculous but I don't know how better to explain it other than to be blunt and, alas, arguably bullying: this stuff (caste, and in particular the Raj treatment of it) is my expertise on Wikipedia and I'm known for it. Sorry about this. - Sitush (talk) 22:56, 22 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Well he was credited by Project Gutemberg as an author or co-author (with Lal, who is describes as an "amateur archaeologist") of various papers, which makes him an demographer, ethnographer or anthropologis to me. Hugo999 (talk) 04:01, 23 June 2016 (UTC)t

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