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1948-villages
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Re:Palestinian villages
Greetings Huldra! Yes, it's been too long. I think I fixed/added the coords for the most part (except for Sur Baher). You or someone else might want to double check them though. --Al Ameer son (talk) 16:22, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Nisf Jubeil
Greetings Huldra, good to see you editing. Just wanted to thank you for expanding Nisf Jubeil. It looks like a decent article now. I went ahead and nominated it for DYK. See here. Feel free to make any changes to the hook (or completely changing it) if you like. And please stick around! I've been editing steady lately and it would be great if we could work on articles together like the good old days ;) Only if you have the time of course. --Al Ameer son (talk) 19:28, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
 * That's good to hear. Fixed the Kitchener link and I'll try fixing those coords later today (I found a tool that could help us with accuracy). By the way if you have any info on Deir al-Balah, please add it to the article. It already passed the GA nomination, but the more the merrier. --Al Ameer son (talk) 19:52, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

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 * (edit conflict) Hello dear (and hi al ameer). Nice to see you back. Not doing too much these days myself, though User:Tiamut/Bayt Nuba is almost readyto move into mainspace. And I've recently taken a stab bring Palestinian costumes back to the evel of comprehensiveness it enjoyed before my close paraphrasing got it wiped out. Your help there is welcome as always. I see you added some stuff at Yaquq. You have been much missed. Hope your off wiki time was fulfilling and energizing. Kisses.  T i a m u t talk 19:55, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Hello both of you! At the moment I am "stalking" Al Ameer son ;) ...my ambition is to add all the 1596-data...I was a bit unexpected diverted the last 2-3 months on another (very rewarding!) project, so to speak. But that "project" is now mainly finished. I´ll just  need someone to translate a couple of sentences for me into French, Nice seeing you both around, will try to help out on the  Palestinian costumes  again! Cheers, Huldra (talk) 20:04, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I actually came across the same picture yesterday, but I'm not sure of the copyright laws of the PA (or if they have any). You might want to drop a comment at Funkmonk's talk page. He'll probably be of help. It would be nice to include a picture. I wish we could find a free contemporary one. --Al Ameer son (talk) 23:52, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, Have done Huldra (talk) 23:57, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually, I think we could use it since its been over 51 years since the picture was taken. See the licensing of File:Bani Naim rebel arms.jpg. --Al Ameer son (talk) 01:14, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I saw that and added it to the DYK nom. I'll get cracking on those articles. ARIJ has a very informative profile on Salhab that we could use for contemporary stuff as well. On a separate note, do you have any info on the Hauran town of Sheikh Miskin (variations: "Maskin", "Shekh" "Shaykh")? Particularly by the Palestine Exploration Fund's SWP or Quarterly Statement? I'm trying to nominate the article for DYK but it's too small. I only got a snippet view from the SWP from google books. --Al Ameer son (talk) 20:50, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the link, I tend to forget we have such a plethora of resources at our disposal (thanks to you). Actually I found it in the 1901 Quarterly Statement (not the SWP). If you find anything in Hutteroth that would be great ;) Also, is there anything about an-Naqura in the Ottoman tax record? --Al Ameer son (talk) 21:21, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll take a stab at Abdeen later too. As for those missing articles, please list as many as you can find. We'll flesh them out as we go while expanding the existing articles. --Al Ameer son (talk) 22:05, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Started a draft page for Salhab here and added several towns and villages to the Jenin Governorate, including those that you mentioned. Also, I found a good amount of interesting info about Sheikh Miskin which is also spelled "Eshmiskin" apparently. Anyway, I'll be having a minor surgery tomorrow and may or may not be editing in the next few days depending on how I feel. I couldn't find info on al-Ammuriya (everything I found was about the one in Jordan), but if you manage to expand it more go ahead and nominate it for DYK. Same goes for Salhab. Regards, --Al Ameer son (talk) 16:56, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Moved the draft to mainspace and expanded it a bit. I think it's ready for DYK, any ideas for a hook? --Al Ameer son (talk) 23:17, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Sumail
Do you have any information about Sumail or al-Sumayil, a small village the ruins of which can be seen on Ibn Gvirol St. in Tel Aviv? There seems to be a couple of Palestinian villages missing that now lie in the Tel Aviv area, Sumail being one of them. Abu Kabir has an article but is missing a destroyed villages infobox. Manshiyya, also in Jaffa area, is also missing an article.  T i a m u t talk 20:34, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
 * According to Khalidi, p.249, Al-Mas'udiyya was also known as Summayl. He also describes a nearby arched, steel  bridge, called both Mas'udiyya and Summayl bridge. Khalidi only mentions  Abu Kabir in passing, as a "Jaffa suburb". One village which is missing, however, is Atlit, under Haifa District. I don´t know why that one isn´t in the infobox?  Cheers, Huldra (talk) 22:18, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmmm... too much to do, too little time. Looking forward to seeing you get Weir for Palestinian costumes. So glad to have you back.  T i a m u t talk 18:14, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Sanjak Nablus villages
Hey Huldra, could you add the details from the 1596 stats to the Talluza page? I already got a sliver from Zertal about the population. I think we could flesh that article out to 5x expansion for DYK. Could you also add the 1596 stats to Tubas and Tammun whenever you have the chance. I don't know how you want to tackle the task of adding the Ottoman tax records to all the villages of Palestine, but I suggest we focus on one liwa at a time like greater Nablus for example. What do you think? --Al Ameer son (talk) 17:26, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, I have added what I found for Talluza, but it is not a DYK yet. (Some formatting is needed, though! + Crown -ref is missing) I guess we could add more from Robinson and Guerin (if you read French?) The direct links to the sources are now in the article.
 * Tubas and Tammun are on my "to do" list; I´ll get back to them. I had thought of adding the Hütteroth and Abdulfattah one page at a time; but that is really inconvenient. Now, what can be quite difficult to find is the Guerin-refs: he uses names on the villages which sometimes are spelled very differently from present-day spelling. The only (sure) way to find all the villages he writes about is "to walk" in his footsteps on the maps (eg. the SWP-maps), then add refs to him to the villages he visits on the way. So that might be one way to proceed, Cheers, Huldra (talk) 23:08, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Tubas: Samarie 1, 357-59: Thoubas; SWP Il. 229: (from Dauphin, location is correct). Tammun probably "Tamoun" Samarie I, 257. (didn't check much). Zerotalk 00:45, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Nisf Jubeil
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:04, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Good to see you back again. I see Eric Barbour is still his old self though.♦ Dr. Blofeld  20:18, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I was supposed to be back in April, but then I got diverted ... my ambition here is to add all the 1596-daftar data to the different villages...eventually! And EB is ...EB. (I am not to happy about seeing you start all these new BLPs though.... :-/   )   Cheers, best of luck (& no more BLPs? Please?) Huldra (talk) 21:28, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Zanuta
Could you have a look at my note on Al Ameer's page, and advise there if places like Zanuta, Debir etc., could be described in a collective article on the khirbeh villages there? Thanks Huldra.Nishidani (talk) 15:48, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I haven´t looked into the particular khirbets yet, but if Al Ameer (or anyone else) start a page, I will (promise!) Cheers, Huldra (talk) 21:28, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Lots on Khirbet Zanuta in SWP; feel free to expand it! (Links are in article) Cheers, Huldra (talk) 01:03, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Nice finds, I'll get to work on it later tonight or tomorrow. Also, see the update at my talkpage if you haven't already regarding the other khirbehs slated for demolition. --Al Ameer son (talk) 01:42, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

--Al Ameer son (talk) 17:03, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Salhab
Orlady (talk) 16:03, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Talluza
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:02, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Khirbet Zanuta
Orlady (talk) 08:04, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Village profiles
Just an FYI, ARIJ now has profiles on the towns and villages of the Jericho and Jerusalem Governorates in addition to Hebron, Bethlehem and Tubas. See Jerusalem Profile, Jericho Profile. And even better, there developing the village profiles for the Ramallah and al-Bireh Governorate. See Ramallah Profile (not ready yet). Also, I tried to find some info on Raba, Rama, Siris, Madama and Falamya but had little luck beyond some Biblical dictionaries and personal diaries centering on the I/P conflict. Let me know if you're ready to work on any particular place. Regards, --Al Ameer son (talk) 03:19, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks! That is good news, though they are not always very strong on history. I wouldn´t mind some help expanding Qarawat Bani Hassan, it could actually make a DYK..and we could use the old pictures from SWP of the monuments, Cheers, Huldra (talk) 23:06, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Great, I'll take a stab at it. No they're not too strong on history, very general for the most part. They're value is in everything else like the economy, demographics, education, land use and infrastructure, all major components for a GA. Also, as we're working on Qarawat Bani Hassan, do you have anything on Bani Zeid (Deir Ghassana, Beit Rima or the tribe)? --Al Ameer son (talk) 23:18, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Not much on the tribe, but both Deir Ghassana and Beit Rima were 1596 places, + both are mentioned in Dauphin =yes, lots! Cheers, Huldra (talk) 23:23, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I haven't found much on Bani Hassan, other than a couple of sentences about some of the effects of the I/P conflict (and of course the basic demographics stats). I doubt that we can bring it to a DYK unless you have an enormous hoard of information. Too bad since we also lost the lost opportunity with Sinjil (which now has an ARIJ profile). As for the Bani Zeid towns, that's great to hear! We could add to it now or later when ARIJ finishes the profile on it. I'm thinking with this new potential information we could have ourselves another GA in the making. Maybe al-Fasayil and Sinjil too. --Al Ameer son (talk) 04:42, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey; there is an enormous hoard of information on Qarawat Bani Hassan...in the SWP links  given under the "Archeology" and the "Deir ed Derb"-sections! Including drawings of the 1st century (?) Deir ed Derb-structure ...which we could use (methinks).   I have just gotten to distracted by other things.... I will try to continue expanding later tonight,
 * Also, I would like to update places I see you have done a lot on, (like Jifna) -but are still missing their 1596-and SWP-data. Cheers, Huldra (talk) 14:07, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Well forgive me then I spoke too soon ;) Add what you have and I'll try to find some info myself. --Al Ameer son (talk) 16:23, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, Qarawat Bani Hassan doesn´t seem to make a DYK after all....unless we fill in a lot about the I/P-conflict. Ah well, at least it makes a decent little article now, me thinks! Cheers, Huldra (talk) 20:57, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

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Najran, Syria
Salam Huldra. I've been working on Syrian towns again and noticed you might have information on Najran, Syria. If you have time, could you add that info in. I plan on nominating it for DYK. --Al Ameer son (talk) 04:46, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The problem is that I´m not completely sure that it is Najran, as I do not have accurate maps over the area. ..I´ll ask if Zero has some, Cheers, Huldra (talk) 06:26, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I have a very good feeling that its the same Najran since the Ottoman nahiya also includes Shahba and Majadil, all places that are close by. Also there's only one Najran in the area, except for Deir Najran which is next to Bosra. Let me know when you get the confirmation. Cheers! --Al Ameer son (talk) 19:40, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Just did! Thanks to Zero, who sent me some maps of Syria. Will add to Najran, Syria in some moment, and then I will start expanding the last pages on User:Huldra/HA (=those in Syria), Cheers,  Huldra (talk) 21:25, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you Huldra, we have three days for Najran before DYK but I think there's enough info at the moment to at least nominate it. I'm glad so many Hauran villages are covered by Hutteroth-Abdelfattah. --Al Ameer son (talk) 01:12, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
 * A pleasure! I am filling in the Hauran villages in User:Huldra/HA now. Please feel free to suggest any village it is..with the maps Zero sent me, I can verify it (or not). Cheers, Huldra (talk) 01:30, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I suggested a few, but many don't have articles yet and have different English variations. --Al Ameer son (talk) 03:27, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Please, please do suggest any you want. I will concentrate on adding the names (and grid-no.) tonight, but tomorrow, or the day after, I will start checking, with the help of my new "Levant-maps". I will concentrate on those which have an article: if I have a  latitude and longitude position, then I can "confirm" (or not) if it is the correct  place. Cheers, Huldra (talk) 03:48, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

(indent) Hi Huldra, Thanks a lot, that's a fantastic list. I'll help with suggesting names, and I'll put a Google Maps link to the modern locality for you to compare. Yazan (talk) 04:02, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, wonderful. If I get a latitude and longitude position, then I´m "saved". Also; remember,  there are lots of typos in HA; they sometime  write 7- (=ie; "the place was not inhabited at the end of the British Mandate"...when in fact it was. See eg. here. I have also found several  places where there is a 7+ (="the place was  inhabited at the end of the British Mandate" )...when I can find no such proof of that, see p. 188. Proceed with caution! Cheers, Huldra (talk) 04:53, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi, Huldra. Thanks a lot for the list. I think it'll come quite handy. Is it possible to email me the maps though, perhaps I can help in matching the towns with modern maps that have Arabic names? also, could you check Muzayrib, I think you may have some information on it (it was an important Ottoman outpost on the Hajj caravan route). We have just about enough for DYK, but I'd like to flesh it out a bit more. Thanks a lot, again! Yazan (talk) 16:23, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Yazan: you got mail. Cheers, Huldra (talk) 01:41, 2 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Useful link here

DYK for Tafas
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:03, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Al-Shaykh Saad
Hi Huldra. I think you may have some information about the town Al-Shaykh Saad (mz30 Sayh Sad 7+ (247/249)). Do you mind expanding it a bit? It's a fascinating little town btw! It's my (and the rest of Syria's) ignorance of places like this which makes me almost inconsolable sometimes! Yazan (talk) 15:55, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Done. Hope you don´t mind me changing to the refs to archive.org instead of google? Btw, p. 187 has a picture which could be used. And about history: yes, not only this place, or Syria, I see the same for the history of the Palestinian villages and town....Cheer, and if there are any other place I can help with: dont hesitate to ask. Huldra (talk) 22:48, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks Huldra. Added the photo you suggested. Btw, do take a look at Adwan, Syria. You might have some info on it from "mz37 Udwan 7+ (243/247)". Cheers. Yazan (talk) 07:56, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Done, Huldra (talk) 23:56, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Page needing your attention
Almost no pre-1948 history: Al-Issawiya. Hutteroth p162. Cheers. Zerotalk 19:50, 12 September 2012 (UTC) (very very far from home at the moment)
 * Will do next. I have the Hutteroth-book (with the huge maps) on loan from the library for the moment. Cheers, Huldra (talk) 19:58, 12 September 2012 (UTC) PS: I hope you mean Hutteroth p122?
 * Oops, yes, p122. Zerotalk 20:53, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Done, for now, anyway. Huldra (talk) 21:48, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Najran
Yngvadottir (talk) 00:02, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Great work on the Arraba, Jenin article
Thanks Huldra for the major effort.
 * a)So far we have failed to have the article mention the village's history from 1947 to the present (the 1948 war, the Jordanian rule, the Israeli rule, the Palestinian Authority). You think you can help with that?
 * b)I am not sure in what language is ‘Arrabah supposed to mean 'a steppe' (surely not Arabic; that is unless Palmer has accepted the folk etymology of the word--namely >modern local dialect ‘a rabyeh ("on a steppe)").--What's_the_big_deal?! 18:23, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Glad you liked it! I will address the particular issues on the talk-page, Cheers, Huldra (talk) 19:12, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Al-Shaykh Saad
Yngvadottir (talk) 21:23, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Mahajjah
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DYK for Deir al-Bukht
--Graeme Bartlett (talk) 12:21, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

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DYK for Ghabaghib
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DYK for Al-Qurayya
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Ramallah-area villages
Greetings Huldra, the important contemporary and infrastructure stats for the Ramallah District villages are now available. Whenever you're ready, I say we start work on Bani Zeid (Deir Ghassaneh-Beit Rima) as it has the best potential to become a Good article as far as I can tell. --Al Ameer son (talk) 20:19, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

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1596 info request
Hi Huldra, I can see you haven't been active in a while, but if you drop by in the coming days could you add the 1596 information to Tasil (Tsil) for DYK. I'll also ask Zero000 if he has the Hutteroth book. Regards, --Al Ameer son (talk) 01:04, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I did it. Zerotalk 09:52, 15 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks to Zero who did this. Sorry, Al Ameer son, that I have not replied before. I have another project which I should be working on, but will drop by here every day or two, if you have any other requests.
 * I am also "walking" in the foot-steps of Victor Guérin, but have not finished yet. I will post a page (like the User:Huldra/HA-page) when I have done a bit more. It seems like every expert who has used Guerin, has made some mistakes...the only way to figure him out is to use the SWP and other maps, and the "walk" in his footsteps.
 * On another note, is there a way to incorporate all geographical entities into the WB templates? Eg I just missed the 1596-village Rafidia, as it was not in Template:Nablus Governorate. Could we possibly have an "other"-section at the bottom of the template? For places such as Khan Al-Ahmar and  Rafidia? Cheers, Huldra (talk) 13:06, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Good to see you back Huldra! Even if it's just every other day or two. And good luck with Guerin. My only request for now is do you have any information on Deir Ghassaneh or Beit Rima? If so please add whenever you have the time. ARIJ has finally published the modern-day stats on Bani Zeid (a merger of the two villages) and I think we could eventually get the article to GA status. I'll try to figure something out regarding sites that are not really villages, towns or camps (Rafidia was once its own village but has since become a neighborhood of Nablus). I think I'll just write in Rafidia in parentheses i.e. Nablus ( includes Rafidia ). It's similar to the way we handle other towns which were the results of mergers. --Al Ameer son (talk) 18:13, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Jericho is an Israeli city. I've provided a source. Lechaim. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.215.200.146 (talk) 00:48, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Article Feedback deployment
Hey Huldra; I'm dropping you this note because you've used the article feedback tool in the last month or so. On Thursday and Friday the tool will be down for a major deployment; it should be up by Saturday, failing anything going wrong, and by Monday if something does :). Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 22:44, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

A beer for you!

 * Thanks a lot! Much appreciated ...(I´m getting used to Grp by now; I´m glad he is ok; its been 3 months since last he graced my talk-page; I was almost getting worried he was ill! :D ) Cheers, Huldra (talk) 22:21, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Village list of Socin
Hi, Do you happen to have a hard copy of the journal Zeitschrift des Deutschen Palästina-Vereins, Volume 2, 1879, anywhere near you? The text at archive.org says at the beginning that there is a map. That would very useful to have. I'm guessing it is a fold-out that follows the text. I can't find it anywhere near me. I'll ask at the resource desk if you can't get it. Zerotalk 12:03, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, local library has it, & I just ordered it. No guarantee that the map is still there, though! If it is, I will upload it to commons.
 * One nice thing about Socin is that he (sometimes!) refers to what other writers, like Guerin, Robinson & v.d. Velde, have written, & that he (thankfully) gives full refs. :) Cheers, Huldra (talk) 20:42, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Hauran villages
Hey Huldra, just started al-Musayfirah and al-Sahwah, and was hoping you could add the 1596 statistics. Also, did you get the Suad Amiry book on Deir Ghassaneh? I sent it twice last week via Microsoft Outlook on two different days (it was too big for Yahoo to send) but it apparently just sat in the Outbox for hours until I left the office where I work at. I'm just hoping that it did indeed get to you and the Outbox thing was just a mistake. If not, let me know and I'll send it again. Cheers! --Al Ameer son (talk) 06:00, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok, al-Musayfirah and al-Sahwah done. And sorry; never got an email from you, or anything via  Microsoft Outlook  (which I have never used.) I use a Mac, if that is important? Cheers, Huldra (talk) 18:47, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for adding the info, I'll nominate al-Sahwah later today or tomorrow. I don't think the Mac has an effect in this case and you don't need to have Outlook, I'm pretty sure. It's not sending because the desktop computer at the office I work at (which has Outlook unlike my personal computer) is outdated and simply takes an extremely long time to send large email messages (60 MB). By the time I leave work, it's still sitting there processing. Anyway, I'll get it to you one way or the other. Regards ;) --Al Ameer son (talk) 22:44, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok, btw, that "Zeitschrift des Deutschen Palästina-Vereins"-ref you dug up  is  great; you can "mine it"  for lots of other places  (like I have "mined" the Socin-ref for some time  now )  It is really too bad, though, that Schumacher (unlike Socin) did  not  include the Arabic spelling.  (The Arabic spelling of the village-names has helped me so much with Socin...even if I don´t know Arabic. Seriously! )
 * As to Microsoft Outlook: I am a complete illiterate.
 * But is the Suad Amiry thing you are trying to send me  called "Sharon and my mother-in-law"?  If that is the case; I can get it here (though I always love to have good books on my  hard-disc!). Heh, that book is actually even translated into my local  language ;)   Cheers, Huldra (talk) 23:31, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Yea, I wonder if there's an English translation though? If not, we have to rely on google translate and more preferably, an actual German speaker. As for the Suad Amiry piece, the title is Space, Kinship and Gender: The Social Dimension of Peasant Architecture In Palestine. Bussow and Tamimi frequently cited this source for their info on the village and the Bani Zeid sheikhdom. --Al Ameer son (talk) 00:36, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, I did have three years of German (compulsory!) -decades ago; I´m a bit more familiar with German than French (which I never studied). (German is actually much closer to my native language than English, and it used to be the "first" foreign language here. But then came 1940, and some Germans came uninvited and made themselves extremely unpopular during the next 5 years. Since -45, English has become the first foreign language. But I still prefer to struggle with Schumacher to Guerin, any day! I mostly manage Schumacher  without google-translate, unlike for Guerin, where I have to completely rely on them.)  And that Amiry piece is not available in any library in my country; besides the  "Sharon and my mother-in-law",  only "The Palestinian village home" ca 1989 with  Vera Tamari is available. So yeah; a copy would be very  nice ;) Cheers, Huldra (talk) 13:56, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Folks, if you are having trouble sending a large file, you can use a site like wikisend.com . If you have a yahoo account, you can use the "attach large file" feature, which uses yousendit.com (which is not free to use separately but free in yahoo mail). Zerotalk 01:44, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
 * "Space, Kinship and Gender" is a PhD thesis that is apparently not published. Zerotalk 01:48, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks Zero000, I'll try wikisend. I do have yahoo, but it says that yahoo classic can't send files larger than 25 MB. I would have to download yahoo messenger, which is a different venue apparently. Is the piece not published? I noticed it's been cited by a number of reliable sources, including the two I mentioned above and so I assumed it was published. Plus it's a couple hundred pages long and presents a very detailed account of Deir Ghassaneh, the Bani Zeid villages, Palestinian peasant architecture and peasant culture before the "modern era." The author is also a noted expert in Palestinian architecture. Would the Amiry source still be considered RS if it's a thesis? --Al Ameer son (talk) 03:46, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I could only find citations to the thesis and didn't find another version mentioned. However, the author has published various books — it is pretty common to publish PhD theses under a different name or in several pieces.  About RS, this is an issue that isn't really resolved.  If you search the archives of WP:RSN you will find many arguments about it. Zerotalk 06:15, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
 * @Huldra, Zero0000 came through, here's the link to download the file Ghassaneh Profile.pdf. Since you could read German, could you verify the information in the al-Sahwah article from Schumacher page ? I want to use that specific material for the DYK hook so it would be preferable if it correctly reflects the source.
 * @Zero0000, it would be unfortunate if we're not allowed to use the piece. I've already used information from it for Bani Zeid. I might have to start a new thread at the RS page. And thanks for the wikisend link ;) --Al Ameer son (talk) 17:26, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Heh, my German was never very good, but I´ll give you my translation on the talk-page. And I got the Deir Ghassaneh Profile, thanks! Cheers, Huldra (talk) 20:08, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Changing coordinates
Hi Huldra,

I've noticed that you've recently been changing a lot of coordinates for Israeli localities apparently to reduce the precision of the coordinates. While I don't entirely agree with the very concept, in most cases it doesn't really matter, but in certain cases I noticed that you changed coordinates that were set to the locality's city council or secretariat to new arbitrary coordinates.

It's probably best to leave the coordinates alone, but if you feel strongly that they shouldn't be as precise, please only change those that don't point to specific locations.

—Ynhockey (Talk) 22:04, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi, I have not only changed the Israeli, but also the Palestinian ones. Among other things based on this; "we are giving the location to an accuracy of 30 centimeters north-south and 25 centimeters east-west, which is hardly meaningful". I completely agree, but if you want me to, I will not remove them from Israeli localities. Cheers, Huldra (talk) 22:13, 6 April 2013 (UTC)


 * See Talk:Ynhockey. Zerotalk 00:49, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

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 * I have looked at the recent dispute with Liquid Water. Although there was no obvious reason to move the page, you appear to have forgotten No personal attacks. Also please make all posts in English. I shall monitor to ensure that there is an improvement in the quality of interaction. Best wishes.--Fil e  Éireann 21:31, 20 April 2013 (UTC)


 * As for your wish to have all posts in English; no problem. Liquid Water just seemed to think that I cannot translate to/from Norwegian without the use of Google.translate, but let me assure you: I can. It was (in an apparently vain attempt to show that) that I posted in Norwegian. As for the rest, just let me note; there is not much sense in worrying about problems with the syntax ...if one is totally clueless about the semantics.  But that is Wikipedia, I guess.  Cheers, Huldra (talk) 21:53, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
 * And glad to see that those who actually understood the language did not think it uncivil. Cheers.

Dhinnaba
Hi Huldra, could you add the 1596 info for this village to the Tulkarm article? It seems to be a part of the modern-day city. I'll try to find a source that discusses this particular municipal situation. Shweikah might also be part of the city. Questions need answers... --Al Ameer son (talk) 03:24, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Talkback
LukeSurlt c 16:48, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Great Mosque of Aleppo image
Hey, you wrote that "We have a nice picture of the mosque w/minaret on commons". Could please link this image here. The item is ready to go to the main page, and editors seem to think there's no suitable image. Cheers, hydrox (talk) 21:01, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
 * As I wrote on the nom page, all pictures of the tall tower, (yes, that is the minaret) in this are of the destroyed minaret, as the Great Mosque of Aleppo only had one minaret. Greetings, Huldra (talk) 21:28, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Talkback
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Re: DYK
If you check the prep area to which the nomination was sent, you will see that only two contributors are scheduled to receive credit notifications. --Allen3 talk 18:44, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Yanuh-Jat
The DYK project (nominate) 16:03, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Two more population lists
Schick, ZDPV 19:120-127. here.

Hartmann, ZDPV 6:102-149. Can you find it? (I'll send by email later.)

Zerotalk 13:56, 6 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank, I got the mail with the articles. Great. I never found the  ZDPV 6 (and I looked!), see WikiProject_Palestine/Books. German wiki-source didn´t find it either  (or only the google-version, which does not work for me), so I guess it isn´t online, yet.
 * The Schick-list is really nice, in referring to the Socin-list ;): makes life easier! Cheers, Huldra (talk) 21:47, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Missing articles
Hi, Do we have a list of localities with no articles at all? I just noticed Madama (162/177) that is in H&amp;A (p131) and still exists. In SWP: Madema. Zerotalk 10:07, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
 * For the 1596-articles; sort of; use User:Huldra/HA. Madama, Nablus is red-linked here: User:Huldra/HA.  SWP II:163. (If you find other refs, please feel free to add them.) Basically, those 7+ villages which already appears red-linked  in any  template, use the name already given, see here: Template:Nablus_Governorate.  The other 7+ villages  with no article are given a bold, black name, see eg. Kafr Atiyya on User:Huldra/HA. Most of those places are tiny, and may not ever have an article. It is also discussed here.  Cheers, Huldra (talk) 14:31, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Husn Camp
Might interest you. Care to help expand?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  16:25, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Absolutely interesting, but I am not very good at post-1948-history...I don´t really have the lit. about it, really. Cheers, Huldra (talk) 09:59, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Buraq mosque
Any idea what are those things hanging from the wall? Zerotalk 00:27, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Looking on the detailed .tif picture, I would say that it is two drums hanging on the right wall. Probably the drum-sticks are in the boxes, resting on top.  Perhaps the drums were used in processions? Here and here   are other drums used  in the  Nabi Musa  processions.   Cheers, Huldra (talk) 06:31, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Congrats
Bani Zeid is a GA. Ready for the next one whenever you are ;) --Al Ameer (talk) 21:17, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Excellent! Give me a week or two more, & I will (hopefully) be back more. Which article would you want to make GA next? Cheers, Huldra (talk) 09:36, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Not sure to be honest. The governorates where I could find contemporary stats about cities, towns and villages are Jerusalem, Ramallah, Hebron, Jericho, Bethlehem, Salfit and Tubas. Some villages on my mind are Kifl Haris, Abu Dis or al-Eizariya. What do you think though? --Al Ameer (talk) 06:57, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok, I don´t know if I have much more to add to Abu Dis for the moment (I really ought to get hold of that Singer-book...), but Kifl Haris and  al-Eizariya  both have a lot of material I should/will add.  However; there has been a change of plan (in my RL), which means I´m not sure how much I will have access to internet the next 2-4 weeks. I´ll start when I´m back online....On al-Eizariya we could use the book by Said Aburish: "Children of Bethany", I read it years ago, quite interesting. Cheers, Huldra (talk) 20:16, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
 * That's great then, we'll work on those articles. And take your time, I'll be in the same boat, maybe for an even longer period. But I'll probably drop in every few days. --Al Ameer (talk) 21:39, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Abu Kishk
Why did you remove the sourced passage about relations with jews without explaination? DGtal (talk) 14:09, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok, thank you for your note. My edits on Abu Kishk has to do with WP:RS and WP:PRIMARY, please read them carefully. Basically the "The Herzliya Archive, 1-1/3/25," is very much an unpublished primary source, which has not, AFAIK, been studied by scholars.(If I´m wrong, and this has been published anywhere: please correct me.) (But I agree that I could have let a note on the talk-page: I´ll reintroduce it there.). The Zochrot "memorials" comes in much the same group. However, we sometimes use it as a link as in the sentence "In 2004, Zochrot conducted a tour of....."etc, and then a link to the web-site. That way we don´t get to "cherry-pick" good/bad  memories.  Look at  Ijlil al-Qibliyya.  (For Ijlil al-Qibliyya I see I let the quote stay, though in a footnote. I don´t really think I could defend it, if anyone wanted to remove it completely).


 * For such a sensitive period, we should not "cherry-pick" quotes, but rely on scholars who have sifted through an enormous amount of primary sources to write their works. People like Benny Morris, and Walid Khalidi. Hopes this clears it up a bit?  Cheers, Huldra (talk)

Maalul village
Can i know why did you remove my addition to the word on maalul article ? there was an opression ,and not mentioning it casues missinformation : people would think the israeli forces did what they did of their free will and not as a part of a program(fighting the "libration forces") please answer shortly. showing one side of the conflict is never a good idea,if the other parts are not added. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dorpwnz (talk • contribs) 18:31, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi, I reversed your edit for the simple rason that it was not in the reference given, (Khalidi, 1992, p.347). We cannot/should not add unsourced information to any article. If you have more relevant sources available, then feel free to note them in the article. Cheers, Huldra (talk) 19:54, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Ijlil
Hey Huldra, sorry for the late notice, but I nominated the article for DYK and made some copyedits. And no sweat about Kifl Hares and Bethany. My time is going to be constrained for a few months now anyway. --Al Ameer (talk) 17:08, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot. I wasn´t really trying to make a DYK; presently I am just expanding semi-done articles..the one Ijlil-article just became one, anyway. ;)   And I have not forgotten  Kifl Hares or Bethany...I just get distracted by what happen to pop up on my watch-list.....Oh, and I have gotten the rest of the Moshe Sharon-books (except vol 3), so I´m kind of expanding those places mentioned there. Cheers, Huldra (talk) 20:41, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Ijlil al-Shamaliyya
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 08:03, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Latest AE comment
I think the edit that sock made to Gilabrand's talk should just be ignored, who knows who made it and for what purpose. Sepsis II (talk) 00:32, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Agreed. I have struck out the comment; I didn´t notice it was a sock. (So obvious: made by one of her "allies" to make her look like a victim?) But you might note  this, this, and this.  Cheers, Huldra (talk) 02:36, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

IAA Archive
A new resource, sorry if you knew about it already:. Zerotalk 03:35, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
 * No, I didn´t know it; thank you very much for that link. Looks useful, also for the old reports that are used in Petersen, Sharon etc. Cheers, Huldra (talk) 15:34, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Occupied vs. Disputed
You reverted my change of disputed back to occupied. If Judea and Samaria (AKA, the West Bank of the Jordan River) are occupied, can you please explain your sources for this "occupation?" Namely, who was the owner (under international law) of these territories before Israel captured them in a defensive war, and which International/law/treaty/convention declares these territories as "occupied?" Ronbarak (talk) 12:49, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
 * It would be very nice if you brought a diff with you; first time I read this I had no idea what you were talking about. After searching, I assume it is this diff, back on 21st. of Nov. which you disagree about.
 * Firstly: you want to write "Israeli settlements in the disputed territories"...then source it to a publication called "Report on Israeli Settlement in the Occupied Territories"?? That is a new one.
 * Secondly, this has been discussed a zillion times: only Israel calls them "disputed", the international community as a whole calls them "occupied". See this, Cheers, Huldra (talk) 18:25, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Travels of Seetzen (mostly 1805-6)
Hi, I found the 1854-5 (re?)publication of Seetzen's books. There is a wealth of information in them. There are three volumes:. There is a search engine (Suche im Band). You can download them but they are huge (about 450 MB for the three). Zerotalk 12:59, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Seetzen is great, and I see him quoted often, this is what Robinson writes about him (Robinson is great for a general overview of the literature up to about 1839.): see p. 22. So 1854-5 looks as if it is the first full publication of his work. But why do you this version of his books, and not the ones on archive.org? They have them all. (I will update WikiProject_Palestine/Books in a moment.) Cheers, Huldra (talk) 17:03, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Umm, you have a point. Incidentally what you listed as volume 1 (this one) is actually volumes 1 and 2 together.  See where the page numbers start again about in the middle.  As always, feel free to ask for searchable PDF files — I like to have them on my computer since Spotlight then finds the citations for me. Zerotalk 05:19, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok, thank; I´ll fix that. (I had the same problem with the Röhricht -books: I found copies of the 1893 RRH-book...  but never of the 1904  RRH Ad book. Turned out they were always bound together... Cheers, and a Happy New Year to you! 16:13, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Mail
Hi LittleGreyMouse,

Thank you for your mail. (I don't often read this mail box.) I apologize for the mistake. It is not easy to guess who are our colleagues on wp but I should have checked before making the statement. Anyway the unacceptable behaviour of Gila upset me and I had no other explanation for this.

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Complaint on WP:AN/I
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 * [[Image:Ambox notice.svg|link=|25px|alt=Information icon]] There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved.   Cheers. Ronreisman (talk) 00:35, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I have to apologize to you a second time.
 * I generated the trouble in complaining on wP:AN/I and both these contributors reacted in complaining on their side.
 * Anyway, no worry. Sysops just don't care my complain as well as theirs.
 * Kind Regards, Pluto2012 (talk) 18:46, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Did you go away ?
Hi,

You have not edited since the attack you received from Ronreisman... Did you leave wp ? Pluto2012 (talk) 22:47, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

I hope you are only on a standard break, Huldra. Your have done a great work on Palestine-articles. --IRISZOOM (talk) 19:29, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

you
you, i miss the most and fel the most remiss about not having written anything. my emails are useless and i have had no time for here. please accept my deepest apologies. i am sure if i had time to explain you would forgive me. please accept my deepest regards and undying respect for everything you have done that i am aware of. big kisses my dear.  T i a m u t talk 20:08, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Bridge(s) over troubled water
I saw this: Bridges in Medieval Palestine, and thought you might be interested given your unfinished draft articles at WP:PPAL. Oncenawhile (talk) 19:18, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Zochrot I-Nakba app
Hi, Huldra. Maybe you know of this already, but maybe, if not, it'll interest you:. Cheers!&mdash; alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 16:43, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Will come back to this, cheers, Huldra (talk) 16:58, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Population stats
Hi Huldra. I notice that you frequently tag Israeli village populations with citation needed. For future reference, you can find all the populations here and reference it as: Cheers, Number   5  7  22:24, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot, I  see what you have done on  Mazor, and I will try to copy that.  Cheers, Huldra (talk) 22:31, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Sanur, Jenin
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:17, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Jarrar
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:18, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Throne village
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:18, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Adiq
Hey there! I can't find Adiq anywhere on wiki though Amira Hass says it has 6,000 residents, a sizable population. See my recent edit to Bruqin. Any assisterance would be deeply appreciated. Cheers Nishidani (talk) 11:15, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
 * It is short for Kafr ad-Dik: together with Bruqin they have have lost *a lot* of land (see the article pictures), confiscated for the Ariel-corridor. Cheers, Huldra (talk) 23:40, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

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SWP map
I see you just linked at Lajjun, a sheet of the SWP map at the IAA site. That's cool, I didn't know they have that, and it's one of the best scans too. But do you know I uploaded another set to Commons, so it can be used for marked maps or whatnot: commons:Category:PEF Map of Western Palestine. I imagine it can be more useful than a EL to a full sheet at the bottom of a page. trespassers william (talk) 23:19, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
 * That is excellent; I didn`t know   that anyone had uploaded them to commons.  I will link to both in the future, I´ll like to keep the  IAA scan due to its detail. (They missed no 13, though), Cheers, Huldra (talk) 23:30, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Al Karak
I want an advice, is there a good reason Al Karak is at this title and not at, say Karak (Jordan). trespassers william (talk) 17:50, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, it is (by far) the most famous place named Karak (due to its Crusader castle). Lets look at the other geographical places, mentioned in Karak (disambiguation):


 * Page view Al Karak: 2723 times in the last 30 days.
 * Page view Karak Nuh: 470 times in the last 30 days
 * Page view Karak, Iran: 27 times in the last 30 days
 * Page view Simun, Iran: 57 times in the last 30 days
 * Page view Karak-e Inkacheh:  53 times in the last 30 days
 * Page view Karak, Pahang: 368 times in the last 30 days
 * Page view Kuala Lumpur–Karak Expressway: 892 times in the last 30 days.
 * Page view Karak, Pakistan: 683 times in the last 30 days
 * Page view Karak District:  1468 times in the last 30 days
 * Based on the above numbers I would (weakly) argue in favor to keep it as it is. Cheers, Huldra (talk) 20:12, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Whoops, that was a very unclear question. Is it better to keep or drop the 'al' initial of place names when they're used as titles? trespassers william (talk) 23:24, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, I don´t speak/read/write Arabic,  so I think you better talk to one who does about this matter.
 * However, I noticed that Karak (disambiguation) redirects  to  Karak. So to move Al Karak  to Karak would be messy, to say the least. Cheers, Huldra (talk) 23:52, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

WP:ANI
I've RevDel-ed your last two edits to WP:ANI, due to the username that you reported: no complaints (you did the right thing), but we might as well not have that username publicly visible, especially since all its edits have been hidden from page histories. The account had already been blocked before I came along, so it didn't need to be visible for vandal-fighting purposes. Thanks a lot for reporting this guy, and please don't hesitate if you observe more. Nyttend (talk) 01:13, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I´m fine with you RevDel-ing the report; as you can see, I´m quite familiar with the guy, and his way of using user-names. Thank you very much for cleaning up here!  Cheers, Huldra (talk) 01:28, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
 * please go into my contribs and do the same, I reported it in a few places. ♥ Solarra ♥ ♪ 話 ♪  ߷  ♀ 投稿 ♀  09:07, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Notice of WP:ARBPIA
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 * And the "cause" of this is this. To be noted. Huldra (talk) 22:12, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

Rollback
I have [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights&user=&page=User%3AHuldra granted] rollback rights to your account. After a review of some of your contributions, I believe you can be trusted to use rollback for its intended usage of reverting vandalism, and that you will not abuse it by reverting good-faith edits or to revert-war. For information on rollback, see New admin school/Rollback and Rollback feature. If you do not want rollback, contact me and I will remove it. Good luck and thanks. PhilKnight (talk) 16:35, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks, I´ll test it on some of my own sub-pages before I start using it in article space. Cheers. Huldra (talk) 16:38, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, that was much quicker; thanks, Huldra (talk) 16:45, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Hello my dear
I wish I had the patience and time for it, but I don't really. The few hours I have can't be spent like this right now. I do miss you so though too. I got a new email from the place you suggested. My user name there is my first name in real life (you remember?) plus these two letters, mo, with no spaces in between. I lost my email contacts so can't write to you. Can you figure it out and email me? Kisses and love from across the seas.  T i a m u t talk 17:59, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Refurbished article Tekoa with info box 'Israeli village'
Dear wikipedia user Huldra, you reverted (14-August-2014) the refurbished infobox article on the argument that "this [ Tekoa ] is not an "Israeli village"". Other Israeli villages in the vicinity and of the Gush Etzion Regional Council also use this info box "Israeli village", like Nokdim for instance just in eyes view of Tekoa, from where I got the idea to refurbish this article, actually.

I believe, that this kind of quick reverts of yours out of the guts with thin air arguments do not help to improve wikipedia content. Please go into discussion first before destroying others work, that is evidently improvement and not vandalism, otherwise you may be not rightfully granted 'reverting powers'. Really No(!) offense intended, cheers --85.179.30.244 (talk) 10:39, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your note; I´ll continue the discussion on Talk:Tuqu'.
 * Also, note that you have broken the 1RR on Tuqu', (even if you used 2 different IPs) please self-revert, or you will be reported. Cheers, Huldra (talk)

Gaza City Population Density
This edit: What is correct about the statement that Gaza is "one of the most densely populated places on earth"? Please kindly have a look at List of cities proper by population density. It looks like Gaza would not even be in the top 30 in the EU alone. What do I miss? --2.241.124.66 (talk) 06:15, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Gaza is not just a city. It is a region.
 * An equivalent case is Singapore.
 * Pluto2012 (talk) 08:13, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
 * As stated in the introduction, the article is about the city of Gaza, not about a "Gaza region". Furthermore, the Gaza strip as a whole (if that is what you mean by "region") has a even lower population density. What's your argument again?--2.241.124.66 (talk) 10:33, 18 August 2014 (UTC) PS: And I am not quite sure why you feel you have to answer a question I asked Huldra about an edit she made.
 * Well, you missed the two Forbes lists: The World's Densest Cities: Forbes 2007 and World's Densest Cities: Forbes 2006. The lowest (of the top 10, or top twenty most populated places) have a density about  Gaza city. So you have some Wikipedia-generated lists, and Forbes list. I´ll put my money on Forbes. And anyone can make an answer, or put a question here (unless I have expressly asked them to go away, which happen extremely rarely.) Cheers, Huldra (talk) 20:57, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Basma
Thanks from me and the wiki Victuallers (talk) 00:02, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

it will be better without any pic.
the problem it that there are no "nice" pictures to have in the info-box,--- i hope that you understand the situation. someone put a pic. that has nothing with the history of this city- it is very old city. now i can try and change it or let it give bad name for the wikipedia. it is sad day for me to see that this the way things are going here. all the best  Nachum (talk) 07:13, 28 August 2014 (UTC).
 * I think we should discuss it at the talk-page, that is Talk:Rafah. please bring your objections there, Cheers, Huldra (talk) 18:18, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Albertine Comment
I am familiar with the painting but had always assumed it was Swedish because it is on the cover of a Swedish book on prostitution. However the sign on the door is clearly in Norwegian. I should add a link to the Novel. --Michael Goodyear (talk) 15:47, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Glad you liked it, but if you really want to insult a Norwegian: tell him/her that Christian Krohg was ..Swedish. Christian Krohg, his wife Oda Krohg, his in-laws, and their friends (and later their son and grandson) were at the very centre of the Norwegian cultural scene, from the late 18th century, and onwards. Both the book "Albertine", and the paintings of Krohg caused huge scandals at the time. Huldra (talk) 18:16, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I know and have incorporated it, but then even Ibsen was considered too radical by many Norwegians for his portrayal of an independent woman in the Doll's House.--Michael Goodyear (talk) 19:01, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
 * The Doll's House was considered too radical just about everywhere, not just in Ibsen´d native county, I believe. Thank you for adding "Albertine" to the article, if you ever get a chance to see the painting (at the National Gallery, Oslo), you really should. It is very impressive. It was, of course, because Krohg was such a brilliant painter, (in addition to coming from a very influential family) that he could not be ignored. He, and his group (="krets"), were  called "the Christiania  Bohèmes". Huldra (talk) 22:39, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Gary Weiss
Just FYi, your edit comment indicated 3 reverts but my count was 4. Since you stopped, though, I don't see any need to ask for further intervention. 1st 2nd 3rd 4th.

Also your edit comment regarding WMF employees was confusing. ''Undid revision 623769391 by DHeyward (talk)3rd (and last) revert in a while. Sends bad, bad signal that WMF people reverts this.'' Please clarify what that means as it wasn't clear. You can respond here but ping please as I don't normally follow users or their talk pages. --DHeyward (talk) 05:11, 2 September 2014 (UTC)


 * DHeyward, look at the timing:


 * 1st  21:34, 31 August 2014
 * 2nd  20:42, 1 September 2014
 * 3rd  21:28, 1 September 2014
 * 4th  22:04, 1 September 2014
 * In other words; I did not break 3RR, as I did not revert more than 3 times in any 24 hour period. And Gary Weiss made Wikipedia and Wikipedians look like absolute fools for years. That a WMF helps to hide this is strange, to say the least, for a project which prides itself in "not being censored". This is censorship, and nothing else. Cheers, Huldra (talk) 20:51, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Who at WMF is hiding anything? --DHeyward (talk) 20:56, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
 * DHeyward: By your user-page I assumed you were employed by WMF, is that a mistake? If so, I apologise. Huldra (talk) 21:01, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
 * No I am not employed or affiliated in any way with WMF. What on my user page made you think that? I will correct it.  --DHeyward (talk) 21:03, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
 * DHeyward: Ah, sorry, completely my misunderstanding, then. Your sentence: "The opinions expressed by me are my own and not those of my IP provider or of Wikipedia or the Wikimedia Foundation" is something I normally only see on the "private" user pages of WMF-people. Again: my apologies for misunderstanding. Huldra (talk) 21:11, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

New web site
http://www.antiquities.org.il/survey/new/default_en.aspx   Zerotalk 07:26, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Looks useful: thanks! Huldra (talk) 22:19, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Peki'in
Hi. I just added some details about Jewish population numbers in the 16th century Peki'in, found on google books. It was to good to pass, but I don't like having the over-emphasis on Palestinian Jews, again. So can you match it up with general data? And if you can send here your source on Ottoman tax registers, I'll be thankful. trespassers william (talk) 17:30, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi User:Danny lost, I´m not able to see the source (the refs) in that book for the  1525 daftar, so I cannot add the other data.  AFAIK, the  only  daftar which  is  easily available, is the Hütteroth and  Abdulfattah one, (= the 1596 daftar). I have mapped all the places at User:Huldra/HA; I´m trying to add the 1596-data to all the places named there. If I had your email, I could send you some of the stuff. (One can also buy the book at abebooks, but it is absolutely insanely expensive), Cheers, Huldra (talk) 20:50, 9 October 2014 (UTC)


 * PS: BTW, do you read Hebrew? I am afraid I don´t. I would love to co-operate with someone who could read the Toledano source (in Hebrew) (ref here). Toledano studied the original 1596- daftar independently of Hütteroth and Abdulfattah and found some data different. Since Hütteroth and  Abdulfattah have several obvious typos, (see e.g. Talk:Julis), it would be very good to have a Hebrew-reader cross-check with Toledano for their data. Cheers, Huldra (talk) 23:55, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
 * It could be done, sometime. Another option is going after what looks like the English version of the research -, and request it at academia or at Resource Request. trespassers william (talk) 23:33, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks, I didn´t know it had been translated, I will try to get that one, then. Again, if you want the Hütteroth and  Abdulfattah -stuff: email me, Cheers, Huldra (talk) 23:57, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I ordered it and will send you a copy when it arrives. Zerotalk 04:33, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Incidentally, Bernhard Lewis, Studies in the Ottoman Archives I, has this place as "Bughya" with a question mark. Shows 6 Jewish families in 1525-6. Zerotalk 04:42, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Looking forward to  Toledano. I don´t have Bernhard Lewis, Studies in the Ottoman Archives I. Also, note that Rohde, 1979, p. 6 writes that  the register that  Hütteroth and  Abdulfattah  studied was not from 1595/6, but from 1548/9(!) I´m not sure if this is generally accepted, certainly none of  the other sources that I have seen using  Hütteroth and  Abdulfattah  have written that. However, they had not made a special study of the registers.  Huldra (talk) 20:28, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I'll send you Lewis shortly. The claim of Rhode is alarming.  One thing to note is that only register 72 is disputed, which HA used for the Safad liwa.  The registers they used for Quds (112), Nablus (100), Gazza (192), Lajjun (181), Ajlun (185), Sam (99) are not disputed.  Since Rhode's thesis was in 1979, there surely should be some published discussion about the claim.  I didn't look yet, but I recall somewhere seeing a fairly recent catalogue of the registers. We should try to get this as correct as possible. Lewis' paper is on its way, and another one of his which lists register 72 as "no date". On page 4 of HA they say that the cover page for register 72, which usually has the year indicated, is missing, but they chose it because the handwriting and arrangement is so similar to the other 1596 registers. Zerotalk 22:15, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Ok, Rohde disagree on that point. Note also that on Rohde, 1979, p. 6 it is actually Lewis who say that it is from 1548/9, Rohde himself just pinpoints register 72 to "between 1538-9 and 1555-6". I am *very* interested in what Toledano writes; unlike Rohde he actually examined it, AFAIK, Huldra (talk) 22:27, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Toledano only does the Jerusalem Sanjak so he might not mention the Safad registers. I looked at a few citations of Rohde but none referred to the dating issue.  Actually I find Rhode's case fairly convincing, especially after seeing that HA only chose it on the basis of the handwriting. Maybe we should add a caveat to the HA reference for places in Safad liwa. Incidentally, Lewis (check your email, p. 477) does not list Birzeit as one of the villages with Christians in 1525, 1533 or 1553. Since Lewis claims to be listing all the villages with Christians or Jews, can we add him as a reference for the village being Muslim? Also, Rohde seems to have worked very hard on the identification of villages—maybe he found some that HA missed. Zerotalk 23:49, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Ok, got Lewis, thanks, I need some time to "digest" both him and Rohde. As for the date of the register 72 (and the other registers): we should look at what Lewis has published; I suspect it is there somewhere, post 1979. Also, it is not only Birzeit (where HA and Toledano disagree), it is exactly the same for Jifna. (I have noted all discrepancies/possible typos as "HA-typo": just search for that on User:Huldra/HA). And I got the Toledano-ref from Ellenblum, who seems to be quite certain that HA was wrong, and Toledano was right (That is: both Jifna and Birzeit were Christian in 1596). So it seems that we have Lewis and HA on one side, and Toledano and Ellenblum on the other side.
 * However, note Lewis, 1954, p. 279: "A curious feature is the absence of any reference to Christians in a number of places known in later times as Christian centres -such  as Jafna, Rafidiya, Zababida, Kafr Yasif, Mi'iliya, 'Ailabun, Bir'im, Ma'lul, Bir Zait, Ramallah, etc. Various explanations could be adduced." (also cited in Ellenblum, 2003, p. 125). As Rodhe discusses: there was more of a pressure to convert Christians to Muslims than the other way around in Ottoman times. It seems as if he concludes it is reasonable to believe  that the number of Christians was seriously  underreported in the first daftars in the Ottoman era. Cheers, Huldra (talk) 22:07, 12 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Ben-Zvi ref reports some numbers while where there is also data of Jewish population. It is included in a non academic collection, and no specifics of the daftars or interpretation are discussed. Considering he died at 1963, I guess he followed Lewis. Question marks stand for his doubts:

Jerusalem 1525: 199 Jewish singles 1533: 224 Jewish houses 1533: 19 Jewish singles

1553: 324 Jewish houses 1553: 13 Jewish singles

Safed 1525: 224 Jewish houses per Ben-Zvi [1525: 232 Jewish houses per Lewis]

Ein al-Zeitun 1525: 42 Jewish houses

1555: 52 Jewish houses

1572:  0 Jewish allkinds?

Biriyya 1525: 19 Jewish allkinds 1555: 16 Jewish houses 1572:  0 Jewish allkinds?

Alma 1525: 15 Jewish houses 1555:  8 Jewish houses 1572:  3 Jewish houses

Pekiin 1525: 33 Jewish houses 1555: 45 1572:  45

Kfar Kanna 1525: 50 Jewish houses

1533: 52 Jewish allkinds 1533: 147 TOTAL

1555: 65 Jewish houses 1555: 10 Jewish singles

1572: 77 Jewish houses 1572:  2 Jewish singles

Kfar Inan 1525: 14 Jewish houses ????: 18 Jewish allkinds

Kfar Yasif 1525:  0 Jewish allkinds?

1533: 10 Jewish houses

1555: 29 Jewish houses

1572: 18 Jewish houses

Shefa Amr 1525:  3 Jewish houses 1533: 10 Jewish houses

Kabul 1525:  0

1533:  5 Jewish houses 1533: 10 TOTAL

1555: 15 Jewish allkinds 1555: 26 TOTAL

Julis 1555:  9 Jewish allkinds 1572:  9

I have obtained Toledano's paper "The Sanjaq of Jerusalem in the Sixteenth Century: Aspects of Topography and Population", Archivum Ottomanicum 9 (1984) 279–319. According to him (1) there were no Jews in the villages (as opposed to the cities) of the Jerusalem Sanjaq, (2) there were Christians in 17 villages: Tayyibat al-Ism, Jufna al-Nasara, Bayt Jala, Bayt Lahm, Ram Allah, Dayr Aban, Bayt Rima, Ayn Arik, Taqu, Suba, Nahhalin, Bayt Sahur al-Nasara, Yabrud, Artas, Tibna, Jammala, Majdal Fudayl. Of these, only Tayyibat al-Ism, Jufna al-Nasara and Majdal Fudayl were purely Christian. Note that Bir Zayt is not in this list, even though it is mentioned elsewhere in the paper. Perhaps Ellenblum has made a mistake in citing Toledano. Or perhaps Toledano corrected an error between his 1979 paper and this one. The paper is on its way to you. Danny Lost, you can have it too if you send me email. Zerotalk 10:46, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
 * A simpler solution: Ellenblum has a typo, footnote marker 19 should be on Jifna immediate above. Zerotalk 10:58, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for Toledano's paper: extremely useful. As for Bir Zeit, see the Lewis 1954, p. 279, above. I think you could be right about Ellenblum: probable  typo.  H&A does indeed give the population of Jifna as all Muslim. Another thing is that H&A give register  for Quds as (112), while Toledano gives (for Sanjaq of Jerusalem)  Reg. 515 (1005/1596-1597) in the Ankara archives. It looks as if they have studied two different transcriptions of the same daftar?  Huldra (talk) 20:24, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Ghuwayr Abu Shusha
Guerin: Kharbet Abou-Choucheh,  Gal I, 209. Note that on PEF map it is called "Kh." not "Ghuwayr". Zerotalk 22:13, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the Guerin-ref! ...and I thought it was Kulat esh Shuneh on SWP map 6?? (See article link p. 412) Am I totally off the track? Huldra (talk) 22:17, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
 * By comparing 1940s map to PEF, Kulat esh Shuneh -> Ash Shuna (196/257), and Kh. Abu Shusheh (2km north of El Mejdel = Migdal) -> Ghuwayr Abu Shusha (198/251). Zerotalk 10:54, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Khalidi, p. 516 has location as PGR: 197251, so you are clearly right. Thanks! Huldra (talk) 20:28, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Hadatha
There is an issue regarding this nomination. You can comment there. --George Ho (talk) 08:44, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Some falafel for you!

 * Yummi, thanks! Huldra (talk) 03:19, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Adddition to the Shtetl listing
Borchow was part of the Christian village Oleszyce in the Lwow Voivodeship