User talk:Hullaballoo Wolfowitz/Archive 05

Chris Noth
Do an SPI on 70.19.231.165 ? --Kudpung (talk) 13:38, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't need an SPI, this is plainly WP:DUCK as well as block evasion. But not worth wasting admin time unless/until he shows up again.Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 23:06, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * See Sockpuppet_investigations/Sovietia/Archive --Kudpung (talk) 22:18, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

The Seven Minutes (film)
I'm leaving an identical message for all the parties involved in the edit war (Dekkapai, MichaelQSchmidt, Hullaballoo Wolfowitz) on this article advising them to take their disagreements on the notability of the nudity in the film to the talk page. All parties involved appear to have valid points so I'm not singling anyone out for possible WP:3RR violations. In the interim, I'm locking the page as is for 72 hours - hopefully by the time the block expires we might have some form of consensus. Remember, the question (as I understand it) is whether the nudity in this film was notable in and of itself. If it is not, then might the information about it be useful elsewhere - say in Nudity in film as expanded details about the 70s. Tabercil (talk) 12:23, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Please review
...this diff.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 21:17, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

user:Susieq3140 and award insertions
Hello, I noticed you reverted a couple of this user additions to sport articles about these awards. Like you, I feel this is spammy and believe if the user can't find third party coverage of this, then it should be removed. To be honest, the fact that this user's body of work is adding this to countless articles is most bothersome to me (just look at the user contributions). I went ahead and spent some time doing mass reversions, but met some resistance from other users (see, ).

I'm wondering what your thoughts are. Should this be taken to wp:ani? It seems like a rather gray-ish area. I know sports pretty okay and have never heard of this organization or these awards, and all signs show that it's a borderline notable organization

Thank you for your time. If you have no desire to get involved, I understand. --Omarcheeseboro (talk) 21:55, 6 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Never mind - an admin has gone in and reverted all the user's edits. Thanks. --Omarcheeseboro (talk) 18:27, 7 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Having investigated this further, all of Special:Contributions/Susieq3140's edits appear to be for the sole purpose of promoting these "awards" form the US Sports Academy, using a "third party" reference to a domain owned by the same place. --Ckatz chat spy  22:37, 7 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks. That's what I thought was going on, but with other editors disputing Omarcheeseboro's reverts, I was waiting for other folks to get involved in the discusions. I think the school's apparently unauthorized use of various deceased public figures' names for the awards is a bit sleazy, too. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 22:48, 7 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I also tracked down an AfD from a few years back (Articles for deletion/United States Sports Academy) that led to the deletion of a number of articles about the awards themselves; the conclusion was that the awards were not notable. (The nom asserted that "there was no evidence that the 'recipients' were aware of or accepted the 'honorary degrees'".) --Ckatz chat spy  02:12, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Archive
As a matter of extreme urgency, will you please archive at least 90% of this page. I can recommend the use of the MiszaBot. OK, disk space is cheap these days but there is still no need for every message to gobble up 300k bytes on Wikipedia's servers. More importantly, please spare a thought for users with slow connections or creaky old browsers - why should they have to deal with such a ridiculously large page? &mdash; RHaworth 13:50, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Consensus discussion on source reliability/notability
Hi. I've started a discussion here. Would you please participate? Thanks.

David Cameron
Hi, I don't know if you've noticed but, along with at least four other editors, I've been trying to prevent a fellow anonymous user blanking, and arguably vandalising, two pages. Could you perhaps look again at this reversion? --188.221.105.68 (talk) 23:56, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * My impression is that all those ancestry subsections do nothing but make it more difficult for readers of the article to get to useful information, and that a large picture of somebody who died a few centuries before any of the events discussed in the article makes a bad situation even worse. But then, I'm of Irish descent and think all the articles about so-called British "nobles" belong in the category "Useless products of inbreeding." Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 00:24, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, these sections are kind of a convention in the tertiary source material that Wikipedia follows but I agree the portrait of William IV was rather unnecessary. Also, if you check the history I'd removed a lot of the rubbish. Nevertheless, your reversion restored this vandal's version, complete with messy links (plus I do not, ever, disrupt Wikipedia to make a point). --188.221.105.68 (talk) 00:32, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

July 2010 uw-unsourced3
Please do not add unsourced or original content. Doing so violates Wikipedia's verifiability policy. If you continue to do so, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Dugnad (talk) 09:36, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Dignity
Could you please explain why you think what was removed in your edits to Dignity (album) was original research? The background section discusses events that happened and the composition section discusses songs that reference them. That is far from OR. – Chase  ( talk ) 18:10, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Kascha listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Kascha. Since you had some involvement with the Kascha redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion (if you have not already done so). Bridgeplayer (talk) 15:05, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Virginia Gentlemen AfD
Just wanted to let you know that the AfD discussion on Virginia Gentlemen is underway at Articles for deletion/; could use your input. -Tjarrett (talk) 17:00, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

LIGHTS (musician)
I would like to understand your reasoning in reverting my edit. LIGHTS full legal name is hardly unconstructive. Pick just about any celebrity on Wikipedia and you will see their full legal name. This is important due to confusion that LIGHTS is a stage name. Her full name has three unique sources in the article. Nblsavage (talk) 22:42, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The form you insist on is not her legal name, according to sources cited in the article. So don't put it back. You're edit warring to the edge of vandalism. There's some conflict about exactly what her legal name is, so it certainly be asserted without a definitive source. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 22:54, 17 July 2010 (UTC)


 * 1) ^  Kevin Young. "Looking Into Lights". Canadian Musician Magazine Volume 63 Issue 3. http://www.canadianmusician.com/online-mar-apr-10/index.php. - "

"though she's changed her name to Lights Valerie Poxleitner"

Barring legal documents, what type of source is sufficient? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nblsavage (talk • contribs) 00:12, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Warren G. Harding
Thanks for undoing the revision. I am not sure why the user was so savage in the edit summary. Cmguy777 (talk) 04:13, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Rocco Siffredi genital herpes
What is the BLP rule preventing the Rocco Siffredi article from disclosing that Siffredi has genital herpes? He admits this fact publicly, at it is relevant to his career as a sexual performer. Thanks! --Stybn (talk) 08:54, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Claims of this nature must be reliably sourced. Per Jimbo Wales, the Luke Ford site does not meet BLP standards for reliable sources. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 17:04, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Since Luke Ford is considered a reliable source in the porn industry, it seems noteworthy in and of itself that Ford has reported this information. Can the article mention the existence of the report? --Stybn (talk) 08:47, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

DrV
In the AfD for Stephano_Barberis your !vote is being discussed at DrV. Any clarification from you would be helpful. Hobit (talk) 17:43, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

incivility?
I think if you revisit your comments in Articles for deletion/Raven Riley (2nd nomination) you might find your tone problematic and unproductive. Incidentally, I missed seeing that AfD while it was open and would have been inclined to add a comment in favor of deletion had I caught it. No reply needed. Шизомби (Sz) (talk) 16:04, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

July 2010
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.--Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 03:49, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Hi HW. Please accept my sincere apology regarding the notice I previously posted in this space (which you have already removed). I was operating under the mistaken belief that you had added the text in question, rather than removed it. Clearly your edit was correct, and I should have been more careful. --BlueMoonlet (t/c) 18:04, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

AskMen.com
Hi. I noticed this message an IP editor left on another IP's talk page, and tracked it back to the edit he was referring to. Is there consensus that Ask.com is not reliable under WP:RS? I only found one brief discussion at the Reliable Sources noticeboard, and there was some disagreement on it. What's your view? Nightscream (talk) 01:40, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't know that there's any consensus either way, but the argument made in the linked discussion, against its reliability, is pretty sound. Certainly that Barbara Bush quote is quite dubious, particularly since there are no legit hits for it turning up via GNews. I wouldn't use Askmen.com as a refeence. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 02:33, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Trying to add information to the 'lingerie line' section of Caprice's page as it is currently very short and does not reflect the last four and a half years that she has spent building her business. All info is accurate and verifiable. It is not intended to have a promotional tone, merely to reflect the growth of the business over several years and supply up-to-date information to the public about Caprice's shift from model to entrepreneur and the growth of her business. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Laura154154 (talk • contribs) 14:06, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Guide Protection
I was thinking it would be a good idea to add a protection policy to Saturday Night Live, i have noticed an increase of vandalism on the front page of the show. Possibly semi-protection would be best, what are your thoughts?

Water78 (talk) 18:12, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Chelsea
I had the same thought about Ed Cox and David Eisenhower's articles - I was just going over there to see how they're worded when I saw your comment on the noticeboard! Well said. Tvoz / talk 23:10, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Ivanhoe Bus Company
Curious as to what claim of significance you noticed... As an aside, kinda ironic, based on comments here, that you're removing CSD tags. Lionel (talk) 05:07, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Sharron Angle
I saw this. It appears that the subject "scrubbed" her website. I wil try to find a cite. Bearian (talk) 20:13, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Cassandra Clare confusion
I'm really confused as to why you've gone after my edits so strongly. Cassandra Clare is absolutely notable for her Fan Fiction, it's how she became a published author in the first place. As far as I know this has never been disputed before. I've reverted the majority of your changes and added a boatload of published sources. Is there anything else you'd like to discuss about this page? I'd be happy to clarify anything else amiss. Infoaddict1 (talk) 20:18, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Since you've added the second BLP tag, without clarifying why you think my Lexus Nexus sources are "phony", I've put in a request for editor assistance & mediation. If you have the time to tell me why you believe specific sources are suspect, I would appreciate it. Most all the pages I've sourced are publicly available, and I can provide copies of each article if you don't have access. Thanks! Infoaddict1 (talk) 00:14, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I've already responded to specific claims on your talk page. If you think a twitter page which doesn't have any relevant content is a reliable source asserting a romantic relationship between two notable authors, or that livejournal posts are appropriate sources for unfavorable blp content, you are seriously mistaken. You're a single purpose account with an unhealthy focus on a particular person, and you acknowledged not very long ago on the BLP noticeboard that the sourcing you have doesn't meet Wikipedia standards. You should have stopped then. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 01:05, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I used a twitter account because someone before me had already used a twitter account to verify information about Clare; since the relationship isn't a secret (and he isn't a well known author), and Clare has noted her character is based on her boyfriend (which I cited from her official journal) I thought it was okay. If this is wrong, you are absolutely within your wiki rights to remove that bit of information. However a reversion of multiple sources, including io9, The Age, Mail on Sunday, The Telegraph and the 2-3 scholarly journals is not an appropriate response. As I've stated before, I am a NEW EDITOR, and I don't have a lot of experience with BLP. I have constantly asked for help on this, but from you have received only attacks, which I don't understand the purpose of. If you would join us on the CC discussion page to point out your qualms with specific citations, I'd really appreciate it. I'm also not clear on why you regard CC's fan fiction past as being "embarrassing" and in need of removal on vandalism charges. CC found her fame via her well-known fan fiction; Diablo Cody found her fame via her stripping blog, but that stripping blog is now years old. Does that mean it is irrelevant to her Wikipedia page? Surely not. I'd like to hear your side of it though. Infoaddict1 (talk) 06:53, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Cassandra Clare
Hello, there is currently a content dispute at this article and I'd like to see if an agreement can be reached. Since you are a recent contributor to the article, I'd like to ask if you wish to give your opinion on the matter. I'm not involved in the article myself, I'm only interested in trying to bring everyone to a discussion. If you're interested, please comment at this thread, thank you. --  At am a  頭 06:13, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion contested: Veronika Zemanová
Hello Hullaballoo Wolfowitz. I am just letting you know that I contested the speedy deletion of Veronika Zemanová, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: The article makes a credible assertion of importance or significance, sufficient to pass A7. Thank you. Salvio Let's talk 'bout it! 13:12, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Cocteau Twins image
Hi, I'm willing to be corrected and to see the image deleted if policy requires, but you removed a non-free image from Cocteau Twins with the edit summary "non-free image in BLP infobox". An article about a band is not a BLP. I restored the image but am bringing it to your attention in good faith in case the relevant policy is wider than stated in your edit summary. - Fayenatic (talk) 09:01, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Jeanine Mason image
I'm curious to know precisely how the image I uploaded for Jeanine Mason fails fair use. Although I acknowledge you seem to be quite a stickler-- when it suits you, at least, excuse me for reading most of your talk page --you seem to have very nonchalantly removed this picture, despite it being from a promotional package and therefore clearly valid under fair use. Please explicate. (Also, congratulations: editing your talk page slows my computer to almost hilarious speeds.) Andrew Hsieh,  07:48, 11 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Passing fair use isn't enough; it has to pass WP:NFCC, which it clearly doesn't. This is an image of a living person, and presumed replaceable. The fact that it shows a dancer dancing is not enough to meet NFCC; otherwise nonfree images of actors acting, of golfers golfing, of singers singing, of porn performers, er, performing would also be NFCC exceptions, and they're obviously not. The primary purpose of an infobox image is identification, for which nonfree images are almost never necessary; I don't think a nonfree BLP infobox image has ever survived an NFCC challenge. And, as in all NFCC matters, the WP:BURDEN rests with the editor seeking to use nonfree content. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 20:58, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Hmmmm
What did you do to piss this temporary editor off? Drmies (talk) 23:38, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Judging by the sense of "humor" shown by the username, he's probably the Howard Stern fan-troll I ticked off last year. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 23:42, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

William Asher - explanation request
Your deletion explanation was a bit too brief, IMO: "patently invalid rationale provided." The image did have a rationale, although short, yet to the point. However, it does not deserve a rapid, almost bot-like, re-deletion without some due consideration.

Part of the rationale for the image was given:
 * "Historical value as this photo appears to be a candid during the peak of his career."

The man is 89 years old and supposedly not in good health. Therefore, it seems reasonable, if not logical, that it meets one of the "acceptable uses" of a non-free image for a BLP such as #8, since both people were were discussed within the article, mostly during their career, it supports an acceptable usage with obvious relevance:
 * "Images with iconic status or historical importance: As subjects of commentary."

Since you're apparently relying on the reason why it might be "unacceptable," as in #1, I was using the clearly stated "exception" to that rule:
 * "However, for . . . retired individuals whose notability rests in large part on their earlier visual appearance, a new picture may not serve the same purpose as an image taken during their career, in which case the use would be acceptable."

So I agree to some minds the decision here could be based on a coin toss, as the image could be justified as acceptable or not. But I personally don't think the BLP, especially an important one in the entertainment industry, warrants a brusque summary only. --Wikiwatcher1 (talk) 19:06, 16 August 2010 (UTC)


 * 8 clearly doesn't apply here, because the commentary must relate to the specific image, not to its subjects generally. #1 clearly doesn't apply here, because the article subject's notability doesn't rest in any part on his physical appearance. There's no indication that this is a publicity photo; it's an unidentified photo found in an unofficial and may well be owned by a commercial publication. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 20:49, 16 August 2010 (UTC)


 * OK, that helps. Thanks. --Wikiwatcher1 (talk) 21:12, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Jenny Slate
I've just expanded and referenced this article so this is just a historical note, but you removed an addition about her hosting a comedy night, stating "unreferenced addition to blp". Sure, it was unsourced, but it wasn't likely to be controversial and a look in Google News for "Jenny Slate" AND "Big Terrific" would have very quickly shown that it was correct. Reverting all unsourced additions keeps articles "pure", but it also keep them from developing, which some quick fact checking would avoid. Fences &amp;  Windows  00:11, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Re: Hassan Barzideh
As an established user I definitely trust your knowledge and good faith, but there's still a bit of a problem here. Even if the subject is notable, the article, as it was written, definitely did not indicate that it is, or why. Furthermore, as an unsourced BLP, it would be subject to WP:PRODBLP even if undeleted. I'm not seeing any versions of the article in its history that address either of these problems. Lastly, the article contained so little information that if it were recreated in a manner that addressed these issues, it would be virtually just as easy to remake from scratch as from the scant information this article contained. I hope this makes sense to you. If I'm missing something, let me know. - Vianello (Talk) 22:14, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The above stands for pretty much every one of the string of deleted articles, so far as I can tell. - Vianello (Talk) 22:16, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but this doesn't make sense to me. I doubt that any of the articles would be subject to PRODBLP; they appear to all belong-standing articles, predating the current, stricter referencing requirements, and not subject to the PRODBLP process. Even given the article's deficiencies, it still had an assertion of significance, a lower standard than notability, which is all that's required to avoid summary deletion. As the ANI discussion indicates, there's good reason to believe that one of the nominator's motives was to harass an editor who was working to improve inadequate articles/biographies in the category the nominator targeted. I don't see any reason these apparent out-of-process deletions shouldn't be undone. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 22:42, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * You may very well be right about the questionable motivation, and you are definitely right about PRODBLP - I completely had forgotten about the date/timing issue. However, I'm not sure I see where in the articles themselves notability is/was asserted. - Vianello (Talk) 22:56, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Notability doesn't have to be asserted to survive A7, only the lower standard of significance. A7 deletion should not be applied to "any article that makes any credible claim of significance or importance even if the claim is not supported by a reliable source," which "is distinct from verifiability and reliability of sources, and is a lower standard than notability." (from WP:SPEEDY). Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 23:05, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Understandable. Could you give me an example of how these illustrated significance, though? So far as I could see, every last article was limited entirely to "This person is an (occupation).", with the occasional addition of where they were educated. I don't see (and this may be a failure on my part) how significance of any kind was asserted. - Vianello (Talk) 23:12, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * In the cases I've looked at (both deleted and rejected noms), the occupation was one which signalled potential notability and therefore asserted significance. Hassan Barzideh is a film director, an occupation which is often notable, and for which categories are recognized. Fouzieh Majd is a composer who created work for a national television network. Babak Esmaeili is a published author and journalist.  Asad Sabetpour was a provincial governor and mayor of a modertately large city. I'm not sure how many more there were deleted, but these are fairly illustrative, and I think it would be better to roll back the entire set. My impression is that the genuinely not-notable subjects had already been removed from the targeted category through the work of users reviewing the area. I also found it curious that so many of the targeted cultural figures were Sufi-related, and so few of the government-related figures were supporters of the post-revolutionary regime. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 00:26, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
 * You've made a fair point. I've restored all the articles you listed except Hassan Barzideh, which does not indicate any sort of significance. Being "a film director" is something any number of people can lay claim to. Being a remotely noteworthy one is an entirely different issue. The others, by virtue of their careers or other statuses/accomplishments, do appear to assert some form of significance, though, so I've restored them as per your request. - Vianello (Talk) 02:02, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Dave G. Dotterer
G12, yet. Have you seen the deletion record? I was gonna PROD based on the assertion of significance-- national level board. You got in ahead of me with a G12. Will see what happens. I do wish the campaign mangers would read up on WP:politician before putting themselves through the aggravation. cheers, Dloh  cierekim  01:07, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Celebs with criminal records
Point taken but it did sound strange the way it was phrased. Dismas |(talk) 23:32, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Bob Gill pic
I explained the fair use rationale to Betacommandbot already. The man's career ended in 1974. There is a limit to how far one can go to attempt to illustrate how a man appeared during the relevant period of his life, especially when that period is over 35 years gone. Summary removal of the image without even trying to contact the editors of the page does not help fix the issue. DarkAudit (talk) 05:37, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Hustler magazine link at Lisa Coleman
See Reliable sources/Noticeboard please. Tabercil (talk) 18:17, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry
This edit by an anonymous account done directly after your edits in support of them appears to be the most transparently clear of sockpupperty that has ever existed.

I'm posting this here because I want to hear an explanation from you about this before I take it to Wikipedia administration. You deserve a fair hearing. Sugar-Baby-Love (talk) 02:36, 26 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Feel free. Any cursory glance at either my talk page, my contributions or both will easily reveal that I'm a long-time IP editor that eshews the use of an account. Just because two or more editors undo your edits (and point you to the proper policy page) doesn't mean they are related. 69.181.249.92 (talk) 02:41, 26 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I ask Hullaballoo Wolfowitz a question, and then you respond instead of him or her.


 * I politely ask you to sit back and think to yourself, "How does this look." If I am to be persuaded that you two are not sockpuppets, the fact that you both act as one and respond as one on talk pages is not going to persuade me. Sugar-Baby-Love (talk) 02:44, 26 August 2010 (UTC)


 * You have a strange definition of "polite," since it includes gratuitous and groundless accusations of misbehavior. When multiple editors reverse your actions citing rather clear policy, it indicates that you are in error, not that you are the target of misconduct. And you have no excuse for defying WP:3RR. As for your threat to "take it to Wikipedia administration": Bring. It. On. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 02:55, 26 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Agreed. WP:SPI is the page you want. 69.181.249.92 (talk) 02:59, 26 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I didn't break 3RR, you did.
 * And I have not been reverted by "multiple editors". I've been reverted by you and you alone (in the case of the Bloomberg article), and you coupled with a suspicious anon (in the French pop artist's case).
 * And I didn't threaten anything, I asked politely for you to explain this situation. You are either unable or unwilling to do so.
 * If you were not a sockpuppet, then I would have expected you to calmy and rationally post here referring to your past edits. But the exact opposite happened.. I see that anon is commenting at nearly the same time as you, and also making the same arguments as you like clockwork-- when I asked you something and said nothing to the anon. Yet anon spoke for you?! Anon has posted on your talk page for you?! You have to understand that this is giving me the exact same impression as writing "I am using sockpuppets" in all caps.
 * Besides, your tone is very, very unhelpful to what are content disputes that we could resolve if you would behave more responsibly. Sugar-Baby-Love (talk) 03:06, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Breaking the 3RR
I could report you for this, but I won't if you would- for one- stop to actually make a valid argument for your edits on a talk page.

Please see Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard. Sugar-Baby-Love (talk) 02:49, 26 August 2010 (UTC)


 * There is nothing to discuss. The main text was cut-and-pasted from a news site. That is a copyright violation. Removing copyright violations is exempt from 3RR, as is removal of BLP violations. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 03:10, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Restored.
It'll probably still have to go through AFD, but I suppose it was a rather unclear speedy deletion. Sorry about that, · Andonic Contact 08:08, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Unnecessary removal of images
Please stop removing images as you did in the articles Joseph Wapner & Jorge Ortiz de Pinedo. First of all, those images you removed are free images & have fair use rationales as approved by WP:Fair use. Also, we do not remove such images except in the case of vandalism, or unless there is already a free image of that person on Wikipedia--That is certainly a no-no. It is very important that you review WP:Fair use before you remove any other images. You may also discuss this change in the article's Discussion Page & wait for a concensus before you make the edit.

-MegastarLV (talk) 5:54 August 2010


 * Absolutely not. Those are obviously not free images; in fact, you identified them as nonfree when you uploaded them, and the use rationales you provided fail most of the relevant 10-point test -- as you were warned barely two weeks ago by administrator Theleftorium. Under WP:NFCC, challenged images are to be removed from articles pending discussion; the burden of proof rests with those seeking to the users, if any, objecting to removal: It is the duty of users seeking to include or retain content to provide a valid rationale; those seeking to remove or delete it are not required to show that one cannot be created. You are at risk of being blocked for this pattern of misbehavior. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 22:45, 29 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Theleftorium was referring to three images that I uploaded on one article 2 weeks ago--that was then. I also notice the numerous complaints people have posted on your talk page, as well as various users questioning you regarding this same issue (this gives me an obvious hint). And if you think the rationale I provided is invalid, how would a valid one look like to you?


 * -MegastarLV (talk) 7:04 August 2010
 * I suggest that you thoroughly review the applicable policy and guideline pages, beginning with WP:NFCC. As I pointed out in comments you removed from your talk page, there can be no valid use rationale for the disputed images, because you seek to use them in violation of NFCC policy regarding images of living persons. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 23:19, 29 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Why would I "seek to use them in violation" if I'm not intending to violate anything (though it could be an accident)? What kind of person are you?


 * -MegastarLV (talk) 7:25 August 2010
 * Just stop the personally directed innuendo and review the policy, guidelines, and related pages. With all the warnings about NFCC policy you've received from multiple users, you should be aware of the problems with your editing. I csn't say it any more plainly than I did in the comments you removed from your talk page. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 23:31, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

DO NOT EDIT MY INFO PLEASE
please do not change the edits i made to some pornstars pages yesterday. all of the info as far as their birth names is correct and widely available on IMDB.com, you can go check for yourself. as far as some of the other info you removed i really don't have a problem with it, some of it was dubious/silly, and i'll admit i made some unnecessary edits on 1 or 2 pages but the birth names are all CORRECT info so please do not change them back again. if you do i will just keep reverting them back (i have alot of time on my hands and it will be no problem for me)

P.S. - the middle names of 2 of the pornstars i corrected are not on IMDB however they are correct. they are from a forum which is no longer online and the other was said in a movie i watched (yes, i'm a fan of porn, i'm assuming you are also). i apologize if i sound rude but i'm a little annoyed that you went and removed all the data i took the time to look up and enter. again, if you change anything i will constantly revert back the correct info i entered so please leave it the way it is so we don't have to let this get out of hand, thanks... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gummy Dummy (talk • contribs) 06:22, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Jenna Haze
Please let me know what's your point to say my edit on Jenna Haze's article is spam. I'm adding a new award she just won. I'm not using as source the Fame Registry site since it is a new annual Award. I gave a 3rd party reliable source (XBiz) giving coverage to the Fame Registry Awards. If you don't know it, XBiz is one of the biggest sites for adult news. Purplehayes2006 (talk) 22:57, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * That's not an independent "3rd party" source. It's a corporate press release. It says "COMPANY PRESS" right under the headline. One of the reasons Xbiz is such a large site is that it incorporates a porn industry equivalent to PR Newswire. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 23:59, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah it is a press release, but that fact doesn't change that XBiz is giving coverage to the Awards and they are not related to the Fame Registry site. Purplehayes2006 (talk) 00:10, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
 * XBiz is part of a PR/marketing operation, and they host their clients' press releases and other PR. That's about as related as you get. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 02:13, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I know what a press release and XBiz are, and we both know that XBiz and Fame Registry are different sources. Yes it is a press release so Fame Registry is being XBiz's client in this case, but it is XBiz who decides the deal to accept to post a press release or not. By posting this press release, XBiz is also accepting give coverage to the Fame Registry Awards. Also you call XBiz a "flak". XBiz is a legitimate reliable source for adult news, you like it or not. And Btw, you labeled my edit not only once but twice as spam. I'm obviously not spamming anything. That's just not right of you. Purplehayes2006 (talk) 13:01, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Glenn Beck and Tea Partiers
This is concerning the Newsweek quote concerning Glenn Beck and the Tea Party Movement. I understand that Newsweek is considered by some to be a "reliable source". In fact, I usually would as well. However, just take a look at the quote:

"Tea partiers are driven by the belief that the America that elected Barack Obama isn't their America, and Beck comforts them by telling them they're right: that the America they love, the America they now feel so distant from, the America of faith and the Founders and some sort of idyllic Leave It to Beaver past, is still there, waiting to be awakened from Obama's evil spell. And he flatters them by saying that the coastal elites are too stupid or too lazy to figure out what's really going on; only his loyal viewers are perceptive enough to see the truth and, ultimately, to save the nation."

First of all, this author BEGINS by somehow reporting what is in the minds of members of the tea party. Then he continues by somehow knowing that their motivation is by flattery? How does the author gain this insight into the minds of Tea Partiers? Then the author speaks of Tea Partiers wanting to go back to "some sort of idyllic Leave It to Beaver past" and being against "Obama's Evil spell". This is clearly a mocking tone. How can you possibly consider this quote to be neutral? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smpf38 (talk • contribs) 02:34, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Whether the quote is "neutral" is a red herring. It's included in the article as represeenting a nontrivial range of opinion concerning Beck, and it does that reasonably well. NPOV requires that the article as a whole be balanced, not that it be neutered. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 02:42, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

It does not do it well. Look at the other factual information above and below the Newsweek quote. This quote doesn't fit there. It throws the information under the heading of Glenn Beck and the Tea Party movement out of balance. Each subheading should have balance as well as the overall article. Furthermore, the quote simply is not a well orchestrated opinion from the Newsweek author because he pretends to know what is going on in the minds of all kinds of different individuals and does so in a mocking tone. Surely you can see that. Smpf38 (talk) 02:53, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Surely I deny that. The comments that you see as "pretending to know" is limited to the opening clause, where it's a fair and reasonably neutral summary of a view that's been prominently stated by tea-partiers. The material you describe as "mocking" relates instead to Bweck's own commentary, and relates only to what he says, not his supposed state of mind. And it's mainstream analysis, milder than (say) Stewart or Olbermann. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 03:07, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Tea partiers talk about "Leave it to Beaver"? Who in the tea party? And when has Glenn Beck called coastal elites "stupid or lazy"? Smpf38 (talk) 03:20, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Sadaf Munir
I assume that this is the page you meant, since Sadif Munir doesn't exist. Your removal of the speedy template was incorrect since there is no assertion that she meets the relevant guideline, in particular Has released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels.... Even if she is notable, the article is written like spam (which is the other reason I gave in my deletion edit summary), and is an unsourced biography of a living person (the "references" are spam and do not support the claims made). It stays deleted  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  05:31, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi, On a page called i've introduced a new controversy section(backed by very powerful sources) on All India Trinamool Congress, some users've reverted my edits claiming my sources as unreliable ones(but as per wikipedi's policy they are powerful). I've posted an RSN, which didnt suite one user Active Banana(he has roll back rights). So he had roll backed my RSN. Now I am confused what to do. Please tell me whether the following sources are OK or not:

Main Story on AITC-Maoist Nexus in Mail Today Story in CNN IBN

Both of them are very well known Newspapers/Tv channels of India. Please help quickly in the matter. Please reply soon. Basuupendra (talk) 13:47, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Tony Award nominees
Is there a consensus that all Tony Award nominees meet WP:ENT or are otherwise notable? I'm willing to believe there could be and I just don't know it. If so, maybe that could be added to WP:ENT which seems awefully barebones for a guideline anyway. Novaseminary (talk) 00:07, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Re: DePROD
You're telling me he is notable enough to merit hundreds of articles about his films, a good majority of them being unsourced and without mention in any reliable sources (at least, I have 10 of them so far)? Eric Leb 01 (Page &#124; Talk)  02:40, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
 * D.W. Griffith? Yes, I am. Just because you haven't turned up sources doesn't mean they don't exist. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 03:15, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
 * It doesn't work that way. You can't tell a suspect "You're guilty of murder!" on the basis that there may be evidence against him. Eric Leb 01 (Page &#124; Talk)  04:13, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
 * @ Your second de-PROD: Please provide a source then, because I cannot find any mention of a Variety article on this film. Eric Leb <font color="#660000">01 (Page &#124; Talk)  02:45, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Look more carefully.
 * Still need a page number. I don't want to sound like I'm trying to ruin the work done here; but until you give valid sourcing, all of the articles created which are not notable do not belong on Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a paper encyclopedia (but I know you know that). <font color="#4B0000">Eric <font color="#550000">Leb <font color="#660000">01 (Page &#124; Talk)  04:13, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Deletion of sourced material in Madison Young
I noticed you deleted a large amount of material on this article. Unfortunately, I see that much of it had been reliably sourced- for example, you added tags for citations being needed on assertions that, before your edit, were cited to reliable sources, such as the website of the production company that bought the rights to the movie she was interviewed in, pictures taken by Life magazine, and the major source for the article, a book by Brian Alexander which provided her real name and interests. I have restored all material that was sourced reliably, in addition to toning down some of the advertising-like statements. Try not to pull the trigger quite so fast next time? Full-page excerpts from the book that confirmed the material in the article were an immediate top ten hit on Google Books. Thanks. — <font style="color: black; font-style: italic;">Chromancer talk/cont 02:40, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Deletion_review/Log/2010_August_31
Just reality checking - do my arguments that the original 2nd AfD nom was invalid (fishing expedition), and the post-close flip mandates a no-consensus, hold any water? Noooobody responded to that. --Lexein (talk) 10:43, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Removal of image question
Could you please explain why you removed the image at my draft page User:Lefteh/Paula_Brooks? Lefteh (talk) 12:52, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Because it was an obvious violation of the nonfree images policy, which prohibits the use of nonfree images as general/identifying images in BLPs. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 17:33, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Per character images in List of The Sopranos characters
Re : We do not permit the usage of per character images on "List of" type articles. There's been several, several debates about this in the past. The practice is to restrict such usage to a primary cast photograph (example, and/or to restrict usage of per character images to crucial, central characters. By the very definitions in the sections listed, the images were being used on secondary characters.

The argument you're using of there being substantial content has been used before and failed. The reality here is these are not central characters. Further, the content in these sections is almost completely unreferenced. Wikipedia insists on reliance on secondary sources in order to maintain neutrality. This is not a fan site. Including such large, undocumented sections in an article isn't within our guidelines. See Manual of Style (writing about fiction). So these "lengthy" sections do not belong, unless secondary sources can be found to support them. It's massive overkill in writing about these characters. It's not enough to just have content. You have to have well sourced content. You're unlikely to get such lengthy content for a secondary character.

If you disagree with this, I strongly suggest you take the issue up at either WP:NFCR or WT:NFC. Do not restore the images; doing so violates policy and guideline. If you have questions, ask. Thank you, --Hammersoft (talk) 16:32, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I wanted to amplify on this a bit. I came by this article by way of Database reports/Pages containing an unusually high number of non-free files. This particular article ended up at #55 as of today, making the top 100 of articles on Wikipedia containing a high number of non-free files, or looking at it another way the top .003% of all articles here in terms of use of NFCC content. To get on that list in a guideline/policy appropriate way takes a very exceptional case with very strong justification. If "List of characters" type articles are such an exceptional case where this usage is permitted, then that database report should show many such articles in the top 100, yet it doesn't. The reason for that is simple; we don't permit this sort of usage. Also note that List of characters from The Sopranos in the Lupertazzi crime family, List of characters from The Sopranos – friends and family and List of characters from The Sopranos in the Soprano crime family contain zero non-free images. If you think this special case should be allowed, again please take up the issue at WP:NFCR or WT:NFC. Thanks, --Hammersoft (talk) 18:25, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Rosa Scarcelli
Oh I'll definitely restore that image unless you can provide some better rationale. I'm only posting here first in the interested of preventing an edit war. Your assumption that it is "obvious" does not qualify. Licensing has been clearly cited in the article and I will happily point you in the direction of the promotional press material it was included in if you insist on being obtuse and arbitrary. Lahnfeear (talk) 20:41, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
 * You know what, forget it. I'll dig up another photo I have tomorrow that wasn't from press material which looks nearly identical to this and was taken by a private citizen. I have zero interest in discussing it with you.Lahnfeear (talk) 20:47, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Disruptive editing
Hello mate. Just letting you know that a new user (Perthmonsit) is undoing all your recent edits. Could he be a sock puppet of someone you know perhaps? Jevansen (talk) 03:17, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Edit summaries
Is this better? I keep forgetting to change the edit summary. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 23:02, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

J.G. Quintel
Tell me how you think an article that's more template than content is salvageable. Go on. Am I just not allowed to redirect anymore or what? Why don't we just create one-sentence stubs on everyone who's ever lived? Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 01:41, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, the last person who undid the redirect had no problem with me redoing it. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 04:48, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Removal of Rafe Mair image
I was given permission to use it by Mr. Mair himself. Prescottbush (talk) 03:52, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Pending changes/Straw poll on interim usage
Hi. As you recently commented in the straw poll regarding the ongoing usage and trial of Pending changes, this is to notify you that there is an interim straw poll with regard to keeping the tool switched on or switching it off while improvements are worked on and due for release on November 9, 2010. This new poll is only in regard to this issue and sets no precedent for any future usage. Your input on this issue is greatly appreciated. Off2riorob (talk) 23:36, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Regarding the Sal the Stockbroker PITA
Would you like me to semi-protect your userpage?  Enigma <sup style="color:#FFA500;">msg  04:31, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Mark Ryden
Both User:1exec1 & User:WikiTome have looked at the Mark Ryden article. Looks Great! You will see I have added much reference, please do not undo with out talking.   Thanks,69.238.167.40 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 18:51, 21 September 2010 (UTC).
 * You're a sockpuppet, you're trying to restore poorly sourced, trivial, and promotional content deleted last year after discussion, adding even more promotional trivia, and you've made no effort to address the original objections, soundly grounded in WP:BLP, WP:V, and WP:RS. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 20:17, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi
Have you considered archiving your talk page, it is incredibly long and may cause certain editors with slow connections lots of problems considering there are now over 300 sections, you don't have to since it is your talk page. Regards, — <font color="Red">Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм •  Champagne?  •  7:42pm  • 09:42, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Big Time Rush discography
Why should I have to discuss it? It's a total no brainer. 100% of the content is already at Big Time Rush (band), so it probably even qualifies for A10. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 16:31, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * WHY DO I NEED TO DISCUSS IT?!?! Did you not read the part where I said "100% of the content is already at Big Time Rush (band)? Whatever happened to common sense? Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 16:43, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Check Resident Anthropologist's talk page, he clearly said "No delete it" regarding that AFD. I removed it from the log so it wouldn't disrupt the history.
 * Seriously man, do you have some sort of agenda against me? It seems like no matter what I do, you're there to undo it. And answer me already. WHAT NEEDS DISCUSSION on the Big Time Rush discography?! It couldn't be any less controversial a redirect. <Big>100% OF ITS CONTENT IS DUPLICATED ON THE PARENT ARTICLE. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 16:58, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Are you gonna answer me or what? Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 17:05, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Great. So you're bulldozing all my edits AND giving me the silent treatment. Way to be civil. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 17:19, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Vicky Vette
Please stay out of that posting and STOP undoing items. I have been a senior member of her website and inner circle for sometime now. Vicky & Rockerr (current husband & mgr) kabitz with me on everthing that is posted. Refrain from undoing anything. If you have a question or I need to improve upon something - ASK FIRST! Db54 (talk) 21:08, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't know that I could make a better case for your not editing this article that your own words here. Read WP:COI, WP:BLP, and WP:RS for a start. A Wikipedia article is not controlled by its subject or her "inner circle," because Wikipedia is not a free advertising/publicity host. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 21:16, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Listen you dickweed - Dismas and I worked out a considerably amount of intormation that was previously there so don't make erroneous assumptions. It is not ADVERTISING nor is it PUBLICITY but has a bonafide connection to IT's SOURCE! THE LINKS on ALL ARTICLES connect in somewhere and somplace to PUBLICITY. The REFERENCEs are reflective of her history IN HER OWN WORDS and YOU DOn't GET much better than that! AND STOP UNDOING AWARDS and REFERENCES —Preceding unsigned comment added by Db54 (talk • contribs) 21:50, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Your understanding of WP:CIVIL also needs a refresher course. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 21:53, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

When the shoe fits you have to wear it. I am opening up a complaint aagainst you and your UNAUTHORIZED undo without any discussion beforehand! FUrthermore, this is a quote to me from Vicky with regards to WikPedia and HER PAGE (NOT yours) How strange the page is almost empty, looks like someone stripped it! The link to the yahoo group is wrong, and there are barely any other links. there are a million interviews and articles on avn, but they don't list any of them... what a mess!" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Db54 (talk • contribs) 22:10, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

die
You will die you have grandkids so all the stuff you do will be reversed some day get off the computer and stop wasting what little time you have left of you life —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.44.132.23 (talk) 23:22, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Your recent thread at ANI
I have made a comment at Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents. JamesBWatson (talk) 11:10, 23 September 2010 (UTC)


 * As you will have seen if you have read my comment, I have taken fairly short-term action. If the problem comes back then feel free to contact me on my talk page, and I will consider doing more. JamesBWatson (talk) 16:19, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Source
Comment on made Saturday Night Live (season 36) The confirmed on air contains a source. It's made by the show, it is the strongest source given. Just because it aired on TV does not mean a thing over wise.

Water78 (talk • contribs) 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Print/text sources are always preferred to video sources, and journalistic, independent sources are always preferred to advertising. Have some consideration for people with slower connections (and NBC's streaming capacity is less than ideal, as anybody who's watched their Sunday Night Football streams can attest to); and NBCwon't keep those clips up for very long, while the NYTimes references will stay up indefinitely. And it's currently 2-1 against your position. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 22:34, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Unless of course NYTimes decides to take down the source. Water78 (talk

Article MS
What is happening with you? my editions are good. I took an example article, Ali Larter, it has a similar information: film grosses, critical reception, and more. Stop, please. We really need to read about her and her movies, but you're right, the stuff can involve the article subject. with related to special effects, i edited the article. It has not information about effects. 201.233.240.206 (talk) 13:40, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Note that the IP above is most likely a sock of Sockpuppet investigations/SMG055/Archive. Nymf hideliho! 14:47, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

BravesFan2006
Hi. I'm totally ok with you going to the original ANI post and seeking block review; I'll go along with whatever consensus is there. Obviously, I feel it was appropriate (which is why I did it) but I won't pretend to be perfect. Rahter than discuss between ourselves, let's go to where others will join in - that also helps avoid splitting discussion up. Blood Red Sandman (Talk)   (Contribs) 21:04, 25 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the heads-up. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 21:23, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

User:Are You The Cow Of Pain?
I knew there was something up with this editor, but I couldn't put my finger on it. Very hard to deal with, not a smidgen of collegiality. I wish I knew who it was. Beyond My Ken (talk) 03:24, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Found out who it was -- I though it might be someone I knew, but the name doesn't mean anything to me.  Oh well. Beyond My Ken (talk) 03:29, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Helena Christensen
Watch out for WP:JUSTDONTLIKEIT. All of your false edit summaries do nothing but stack up against you. Your interpretations of policy are way off, and your unhelpful edits are unwelcome in this article. Read the supporting citations.--Lexein (talk) 22:21, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Give me a break. Give all of us a break. Stop pretending that adding something like "She is known as a cheese lover" to the article lede is constructive editing. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 03:14, 27 September 2010 (UTC)


 * No accusation of "pretending", or mis-quoting me, will make it true. I try to (and insist that deleting editors do) apply and disclose exact pillar, policy, guideline, essay, or discussion (PPGED) used as reasons for additions AND deletions.
 * "Silliness" as a deletion reason, by itself, is less strong than the RS-sourced verifiability of the "cheese lover" claim, by itself.  "Silliness" as in out of control, unjustified levity would be, I agree, undesirable in a serious article, but zero light-heartedness, while quoting the person's own words, just because it's a WP:BLP goes too far the other direction. I wish we could agree about that. (wait until the end)
 * "Claim of 'noted' is obviously unsupported'" is wrong or right depending on the usage of "noted." She obviously, to use your word, professed it herself multiple times, and it was multiply RS reported in notable sources. I most certainly did not mean the WP:N sense of deserving an article of its own. Here, a simple copyedit would have sufficed: "professed cheese lover." Do we agree about that? (wait until the end)
 * "is not constructive, and is much closer to vandalism than good faith editing" - I might agree with you, if it had been negatively phrased, or added out of the blue, or by a non-involved editor, or was not supported by her own RS words. But it was positively phrased, added in the same edit while expanding the lead per WP:MOSLEAD, by me, an involved editor with a solid history of constructive edits, and it was supported by her own RS words. Not even close to vandalism by anybody's definition. (wait until the end)
 * WP:UNDUE - well, it wasn't the first thing listed, it was the last, just like in the article - no undue emphasis intended whatsoever. (wait until the end)
 * If you AGF, you'll see no harmful intent on my part. Further, examine the edit history before making accusations against an editor, and never make false claims. I gave you the policy I was using. All I wanted from you was a strong reason for the deletion, which the next editor semi-happily provided in the form of WP:MOSBIO.
 * The end, and here's your payoff: I had NOT seen WP:MOSBIO (which restrains lede content to the key facts, establishing notability, and leaning away from personal characteristics). I have seen plenty of other policy including WP:MOSLEAD and WP:BLP, but not that one. Yes, a link to WP:MOSBIO is halfway down WP:MOSLEAD. In my defense, look at WP:BLP and tell me you see a mention of the lead paragraph or lede, or a visible, explicit link to "Manual of Style (biographies)" or "WP:MOSBIO"? It's implicit in a wikilink generically titled only "Manual of Style" at the bottom of the page, to be sure. Do you think I'm happy I missed that one? Do you think I'm happy any of my edits has been reverted on policy which I didn't know?  I would like a damn break.  You AGF, I AGF, simple as that.

--Lexein (talk) 07:31, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Followup. Thanks for preserving the above through the recent revert blizzard. Assuming you have by now read the above, I have just applied a minor edit to WP:BLP to make the link to Manual of Style (biographies) at the bottom visibly obvious. --Lexein (talk) 12:11, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Seriously
Okay, yes, I was being bitchy. But can you please tell me what was wrong with Articles_for_deletion/Reggie_Young? That was clearly me self-closing as a withdrawn AFD, which is entirely appropriate. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 21:45, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Could you comment at ANI, please
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The discussion is about the topic Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents. Thank you. LessHeard vanU (talk) 22:19, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I will be responding at ANI, but a careful response requires more time than I have immediately free. Please note that that TPH posted a string of uncivil invective to my talk page, repeatedly reposted it after I removed it, then eventually removed most of the invective with what passes for an apology about his "being bitchy." It is rather surprising to find that he posted a version of the same complaints to ANI, then posted the pseudo-apology to my talk page without complying with the ANI notification requirement. It hardly seems consistent. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 23:58, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Alex Frayne et al
While I don't necessarily dispute your decision, please see my talk page - jc37 20:03, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I understand your motive, but the CSD criteria distinguish between articles which are intended as promotional, but can be made encyclopedic with routine editing, and those which must be scrapped and rewritten from scratch. I think the Frayne article falls into the former group, and I notice that another editor made the same determination on the speedy noms of several related articles. Why not just PROD or AFD them? Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 01:50, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Not a problem. I just wanted to make sure you had the information making the decision.
 * And that's part of why I placed the CSD template. Else I could have just deleted it myself : )
 * So now, I think we all agree that it's intended promotion that at least needs cleaning up.
 * I'll defer to others on the question of whether this local indie film maker is "notable". - jc37 04:25, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Nomination of J. G. Quintel for deletion
A discussion has begun about whether the article J. G. Quintel, which you created or to which you contributed, should be deleted. While contributions are welcome, an article may be deleted if it is inconsistent with Wikipedia policies and guidelines for inclusion, explained in the deletion policy.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/J. G. Quintel until a consensus is reached, and you are welcome to contribute to the discussion.

You may edit the article during the discussion, including to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article.

Luke Leighfield
Granted that this artist has a charted production, it is charted only in the Indie chart, which does not qualify, I believe, for inclusion under the policy outlined in WP:BAND.--<b style="color:red;">Anthony Bradbury</b><sup style="color:black;">"talk" 21:02, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Tess Broussard
Hello,

I see you edited the personal section from the Tess Broussard article.

I created the article and would like to add back a reworked section. here it is:

Personal Life

Broussard was engaged to wrestling star Stone Cold Steve Austin from 2002 to 2004. Their breakup was due to domestic violence, steroid and alcohol abuse.

What are your thoughts?

Thanks.

Dk4wiki (talk) 23:46, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I hope that you will take a look at the wikibias website. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RockvilleMD (talk • contribs) 15:40, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

What is the wikibias website? could you give me the link? i tried to search it and nothing came up.

thanks.

Dk4wiki (talk) 00:56, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Ibrahim al-Azhari
I suppose you can find a source to the claim made on the article because I can't might be something to do with the name used. Mo ainm ~Talk  17:01, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Then BLPPROD it; my point was the speedy nom was inappropriate. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 20:32, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Colbert
Poorly sourced? I'm sorry is a news article not good enough now? Please don't take this personally but I think a news article is sourced well enough. Regards, —  Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм •  Champagne?  •  7:35pm  • 09:35, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * At the very least, the news article must include content related to the claim it is cited for. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 20:30, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

COMPLETELY DELETING ALL CORRECT DATA ADDED AND APPROVED ALREADY BY BLP BOARD
had started this pg last yr and lately whatever additions I make from third party bios found etc you keep deleting. Why? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_Abbott_(director)

I already went through this recently with someone else just coming and undoing everything for no reason. Now this page is much worse off and skeletal then where it was before your deletes. This is not helping when you just delete info for no reason. What is the reason for this? Everything that been added from from a third party bio and approved by the blp board. I am undoing your edits, please do not keep undoing whatever I work on your doing this on other pages too.

You simply stated (diff | hist). . Jennifer Abbott (director)‎; 18:24. . (-654) . . Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk | contribs) (unreferenced etc) Yet clearly it WAS added a new reference page of the author bio website it came from written about this person. So it was referenced why did you delete saying unreferenced. Did you look at it before you go and just undo everything? If I am doing something wrong please advise or explain and I can correct whatever it may be. Thank you Nobelone (talk) 18:54, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I've also reverted you, Nobelone. What was added appears to be a copyright violation, and the source doesn't see at all reliable. Would you mind please showing us where this material was "approved by the blp board"? Thanks! Dayewalker (talk) 19:22, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

IP hopper you previously dealt with
I ran into an IP hopper you dealt with earlier ([* ). Over the past few weeks they've been making low-level disruptive changes to date formats. Earlier they were changing instances of "Walt Disney" to "Walter Disney". From your edit summary you seem to know a little more of the editing pattern than I do. Let me know if you think this is part of a longer term problem.]

Here are some recent diffs to underline my point (the IPs are actually sequential and the focus on Disney and the style changes strongly suggest the same person).

(one that was recently repeated)
 * Date style changes


 * Disney

Shadowjams (talk) 02:00, 7 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Definitely a long-term problem. Here's a pair of short ANI/BLPN threads regarding the problems from about a year ago . This is the only named account I've managed to associate with the user, who's never completely stopped. I guess he's editing in good faith, but with some decidedly off-target ideas. Harder to spot these days, because the wackiness of his editing has declined (a mixed blessing). Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 18:56, 8 October 2010 (UTC)


 * After reading your ANI reports I share your frustration. I've dealt with similar issues. If you're sure that account is the same editor I'd suggest an SPI to try to find any sleepers and confirm it's the same. I may look into it a bit more to see if I can find any other IPs doing it... probably something to investigate more. This is one of the more diverse types of subtle vandalism I've seen. Hard to systematize a way at finding it. Shadowjams (talk) 01:22, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Matthew Marsden
You deleted my edit on Matthew Marsden. I said he jumped from 13,500 feet. The Golden Knight he jumped with said on the video on youtube that they were going "14,000 feet straight down". Also only pro military people get asked to jump with the Golden knights.

Secondly on the dvd extras on Rambo Marsden said he was pro military. He also appeared on the "Troopathon" in support of the military.http://www.gawkk.com/matthew-marsden-and-friends-on-troopathon-2010-standing-for-our-soldiers/discuss

Marsden's wife was pregnant with his third child at the premier of Transformers. http://www.zimbio.com/Matthew+Marsden/articles/BkjHMdIv6Zw/Parents+Matthew+Marsden+Nadine+Micallef

Please put these back in. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.3.6.157 (talk) 19:18, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

To Hullaballoo. I am not claiming to be an expert on many things. But on this subject I am more or less an expert due to the fact I have worked with it since spring 1999. Kosovo is according to the vast majority of the IC (International community), ie UN, OSCE, EU, IOC and 122 of the worlds 192 countries, a Serbian province today. What it will be in a year or in 50 years, no one knows. As today as we speak, Kosovo is not even close to be an own country. Like I said, this could be changed. BUT, I thought that Wikipedia should reflect as close as we could come to the truth RIGHT NOW. Am I wrong ? Please reply. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.209.156.162 (talk) 19:29, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

To Hullaballoo. I am not claiming to be an expert on many things. But on this subject I am more or less an expert due to the fact I have worked with it since spring 1999. Kosovo is according to the vast majority of the IC (International community), ie UN, OSCE, EU, IOC and 122 of the worlds 192 countries, a Serbian province today. What it will be in a year or in 50 years, no one knows. As today as we speak, Kosovo is not even close to be an own country. Like I said, this could be changed. BUT, I thought that Wikipedia should reflect as close as we could come to the truth RIGHT NOW. Am I wrong ? Please reply. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.209.156.162 (talk) 20:42, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

About speedy deletion
Some months ago, someone created an article about Conor Clifford, and then someone deleted it because he hasn't made his official debut. So, why Jan Šebek, Sam Walker, Jacopo Sala, Aliu Djaló and Jhon Pírez have to have their own articles if they haven't made their official debut in any team? Now, another thing happens, the four first articles that I said violate the copyright rules, as you can see in this links: Jan Sebek, Sam Walker, Jacopo Sala, Aliu Djaló. I'll be waiting for your answer. Archibald Leitch (talk) 21:29, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

About speedy deletion
Some months ago, someone created an article about Conor Clifford, and then someone deleted it because he hasn't made his official debut. So, why Jan Šebek, Sam Walker, Jacopo Sala, Aliu Djaló and Jhon Pírez have to have their own articles if they haven't made their official debut in any team? Now, another thing happens, the four first articles that I said violate the copyright rules, as you can see in this links: Jan Sebek, Sam Walker, Jacopo Sala, Aliu Djaló. I'll be waiting for your answer. Archibald Leitch (talk) 21:29, 13 October 2010 (UTC)


 * The Conor Clifford article went through a full AFD ; it wasn't speedied. "Not notable," including claims of failure to meet a notability guideline, isn't grounds for speedy deletion, but for PROD or AFD. The copyvios don't appear to be the complete article, and so should be edited out, leaving valid stubs. You should post an appropriate warning on the creator's talk page, and may want to make an ANI report if the behavor is repeated.Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 21:41, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Content in these BLP articles is copy violation and if a player has not a first team appearance he is generally not wiki notable. Off2riorob (talk) 21:38, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

The haven't first team appearances for gods sake! How can you say they deserve an article? Archibald Leitch (talk) 21:49, 13 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Pay attention to what Airplaneman, who's an administrator, and I have said to you. Lack of notability is not grounds for speedy deletion. If you don't think the the subjects are notable, PROD the articles or take them to AFD. Since only one section in the articles is identified as a copyvio, only that section needs to be removed, not the entirety of the article. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 21:55, 13 October 2010 (UTC)


 * - I have had this one since the AFD in my user space waiting for the first appearances of this player http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Off2riorob/Jacopo_Sala all of them are copy vio and all of them are not notable at present and all of them should be speedied asap. Off2riorob (talk) 21:58, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 * There's enough noninfringing text for a valid stub, assuming the copyvio claims are on target, and "not notable" isn't grounds for speedy deletion (of course). Recreation could be, but I don't know what the previous article looked like (and in any event several of the articles involved weren't previously deleted). Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 22:15, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

BUT ENTIRETY OF THE ARTICLE IS COPYVIO!! You should look the links that I gave you again. But forget it!!! I'm tired of this shit!! I said it and I will say it again: YOUR RULES ARE SHIT!!!! Those fucking articles are clearly copyvio and those players haven't made any first team appearance!!!!! That's what I hate about your shitty rules!!! You delete any fucking article about any fucking player because he didn't do a first team debut but when somebody report shitty articles as the ones that I gave you, you say that THIS SHIT and THIS ANOTHER SHIT AND I'M TIRED OF THAT!!!! Go fuck yourself and get a life you FUCKING NOOBS!!!! thank you for your time. Archibald Leitch (talk) 22:01, 13 October 2010 (UTC)


 * You know, you could have PRODded the articles, removed the sections you claim are copyvios, and reviewed WP:CIVIL in less time than it's taking you to beat this dead horse. The requirements for speedy deletion are quite restrictive, for good reason, and your nominations, regardless of the merits of the articles, didn't meet them. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 22:09, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Teamoteamo
You just reverted him. I'm convinced he's not new, and based on today's behaviour, probably evading a previous block. Any idea as to who he might be?&mdash;Kww(talk) 21:22, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

hello
Re: Christopher G. Donovan, don't you find it at little odd that the CTHDO2010 wsa created today and had only edited that one page until today because it was an IP user, and is likely somehow tied to the campaign? Markvs88 (talk) 20:28, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * That doesn't make the content involved any less inappropriate. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 20:52, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Excuse me if I don't understand, but let me see if I'm getting you correctly: you're supporting the removal of a cited point from a newspaper of record (The Hartford Courant) that a public official supported something? Markvs88 (talk) 21:17, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes. It lacks encyclopedic significance, and is framed in an insinuatory manner. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 21:44, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I disagree that it lacks significance, since it is no more or less important than any number of points on the Joe Lieberman or Jodi Rell pages, and is a part of the public record. If you objected to just the tone of the sentance, you could easily rewrite it instead of just removing it. Markvs88 (talk) 21:55, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Brotherly Hate
Just letting you know that the artist's article has now been deleted. That's why I tagged the album for A9; the artist looked like a slamdunk A7. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 01:47, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

MC HAMMER
RE: Recent reverts... I will do the proper thing (per Wiki) and contact you to discuss this instead of dispute it with edit wars. You need to explain to me what source isn't acceptable and why. There were more than one given. I'm not sure what you are disputing. There were several different edits made and you can't toss out the entire edit. I expanded on what was already there. Someone removed "dispite public rumors" that had no source for a long time. I did 80% (over time) of this article. So I know a bit about it. If you would actually VIEW the sources, there is a video of the show where it is said. So you can not argue that. Both sources contain a video source. So even if the site isn't accepted, you know it really happened or was said. You need to explain yourself and not just say I'm tossing links in where they don't belong when there are supporting pre-existing context. The info is fine, but if you are determined to dispute it regardless, you need to provide proof it is not legit. I would appreciate handling this a mature and logical way as required of us on here. I seem to be the only one lately caring to do that but so be it. I'm not trying to be right or get my way, I'm helping the article and making it better. You need to show me specifically what isn't acceptable, remove it, leave the rest. Not "toss the baby out with the bath water". I know it's easier to just revert everything, but that is not the right thing to do. If the links should be put after sentences or paragraphs, then please move it should they be mid-sentence. I'm trying to figure out what your dispute is and resolve it. We are supposed to do so this way before reverting things back-and-forth. I've explained myself, I hope you do too because it's not clear. This isn't an attack, it's just a discussion to resolve the matter. I appreciate it kindly. Thank you and have a good day/night. 63.131.4.149 (talk) 02:31, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi. Please disregard, I resolved this with another editor who claimed the content was fine but the proper way to tag references was not. Thanks for your interest, nonetheless. I usually post with [ ] and someone just fixes the format, without undoing the entire edit. My bad if it was done wrong. Just needed clarity. Have a nice day/night! 63.131.4.149 (talk) 21:34, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Nuttall
Hello, You removed my addition to the Gordon Nuttall page this morning. I believe an initial superlative about the level of corruption places the rest of the page in context. The CM changed the link during the day and it is now found at the Herald-Sun site.

Is your problem a) loss of the link to the original source (today's CM headline) or b) the description of Nuttall as our most notoriously corrupt politician? I was going to simply re-insert the sentence with the corrected citation but thought you may have reservations about b). If so, can you name a more corrupt Australian politician?

Please advise. Didactik (talk) 11:43, 28 October 2010 (UTC)


 * My objection is exactly what I said in the edit summary: that the claim is not supported by the source you cited. Not that a single source would be sufficient for an interpretive/subjective claim like this, especially under WP:BLP. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 15:37, 28 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Fair enough, too interpretive and subjective. It is predicted Nuttall will receive "the longest sentence for corruption in Australian history".  Should this occur, do you think this fact is a suitably objective and appropriate addition to the first paragraph of the Nuttall page?  It is interesting that Premier Blight is comparing Nuttall's corruption with the level of corruption under Bjelke-Petersen.  Note that the leading paragraph of the JBP page states that his government was "institutionally corrupt".  This contextualises what follows.  The Mungana affair also arguably has a similar level of corruption but comparison between eras is difficult. Didactik (talk) 20:01, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Shelby Lynne
Hey, can you please tell me how the Tears, Lies and Alibis redirect was inappropriate? The article in question is one sentence long and completely devoid of sources. WP:NMUSIC clearly supports redirection in this case, so I feel a discussion over it would be superfluous. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 19:38, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, this is why. Good argument for WP:1S and WP:PUTEFFORT, I'd say — if the article were more than one super short sentence I probably wouldn't have touched it. Still, I'd like to know why you absolutely never talk to me. That's really counterproductive, don't you think? Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 19:42, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Explain to me how the above is ranting. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 19:58, 28 October 2010 (UTC)


 * "Still, I'd like to know why you absolutely never talk to me." I have no idea what is gong on here, but soap operas are fun. :-)--Milowent • <sup style="position:relative">talk<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-3.2ex;*left:-5.5ex;">blp-r 20:02, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
 * What's going on is comment blanking, but this is the first diff I have seen it done. Why can't you guys talk it out? That's how we avoid Edit warring and other stuff like that. -- DQ  (t)  (e)  20:06, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
 * After a mudfight, you may become friends.--Milowent • <sup style="position:relative">talk<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-3.2ex;*left:-5.5ex;">blp-r 20:12, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
 * TPH, I don't know the history here, but you left several comments in quick succession, partly answering your original question but then complaing about HW not talking to you even though it had been less then 8 minutes since your first comment (and at some stage complaing to ANI). I would be a bit miffed if someone complains about me not talking to them after only 8 minutes too. Also please remember HW is entitled to remove whatever comments they want from their talk page. It's considered a sign they read it. You shouldn't edit war over any comments someone removes from their talk page. In this particular case it appears HW has chosen not to communicate further on this matter. For the matter of not communicating, I would let it be in this case given the circumstances. And any issues on the article are best dealt with in the article talk page. So I would drop this specific discussion. If you have wider issues, regardless of what mistakes HW may make, I would also suggest you consider whether there may be a better way to approach this in future. Nil Einne (talk) 20:45, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Jeremy Karpen
Hi. I agree entirely  with  your rationale and I  have no  problems whatsoever with  your  removing  the CSD notice. However, this does not avoid the issue, that in  its present  form, the page is  extremely promotional in  support of a political candidature, and has been posted shortly  before an upcoming  election. As you suggested, the page is not  unsalvagably editable, but  this must be done very  quickly in  order to  demonstrate that  an encyclopdia is not  a political  platform. Whilst assuming  good faith, I  do  feel  that  the creator may  uknnowingly  be gaming  the system with  his appeals at  talk:Jeremy Karpen, User talk :ConcentratedAllPurposeCleaner, and could possibly  be a sockpuppet here: User talk:Jeremykarpen. Cheers, --Kudpung (talk) 01:48, 31 October 2010 (UTC)