User talk:Huon/Archive22

AFD review
Could you look at User_talk:MBisanz?  MBisanz  talk 19:44, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

Heracleum spondylium
Thank you for you reply to my "heplme" concerning this plant. I have a book which shows the petals, but does not mention the divide or fork in the petal. Regards.Osborne 15:51, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

Amicus brief as a reference
An amicus brief is not subject to peer review or editorial oversight. It's a piece of advocacy, and also a primary source. Per WP:BLPPRIMARY, we should not rely on such primary sources (and "trial transcripts and other court records" are explicitly mentioned; amicus briefs should be treated the same) in the biography of a living person. I'll thus again remove the two paragraphs based on that brief. Huon (talk) 19:28, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

Blanket recommendations about primary sources are to be used with sensitivity and discretion. To jump on anything that falls outside the recommendation and claim tearing it down isn't vandalism is a specious argument -- first you have to look at the information and how it was used. It was not used "to support assertions about a living person", as the Wikipedia guidelines urge editors to avoid. The Amicus brief information in this entry shows how the Authors Guild saw this trial as a free-speech issue, which is completely pertinent to the subject of the trial. I urge you to undo your damaging deletion ASAP.NVG13DAO (talk) 20:11, 17 October 2016 (UTC)


 * This should be discussed on the article's talk page. Huon (talk) 20:30, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

Iwachiw2001, block evasion, unblock requests
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Yamla (talk) 17:51, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

Please unblock User:Iwachiw2001g
Hello Huon. User:Iwachiw2001g is my student at LaGuardia, as it should be obvious from the content of his sandbox and the fact that he is enrolled in https://dashboard.wikiedu.org/courses/LaGuardia_Community_College/ENG103_Octavia_Butler's_Bloodchild_and_Other_Stories,_Part_II_(Fall_2016)/students. I have only know him for a few weeks, but he seems a pretty amenable and decent guy, unlike the infamous Iwachiw2001. I would appreciate if you would unblock his sandbox, as he has homework due this Friday. Thank you. DrX (talk) 15:21, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
 * DrX, are you saying that the Walter Iwachiw running User:Iwachiw2001g is not the Walter Iwachiw who ran User:Iwachiw2001, and it's entirely a coincidence that both logged into their accounts from the same IP address within 24 hours, or that in the three years since his previous block for edit-warring and sockpuppetry, which saw him accusing fellow editors of all being "partisan" if they disagreed with him, he has mellowed? His new account has been unblocked in the only instance I'm aware of that saw a sockpuppeteer reinstated without ever himself addressing the issues that led to the original block. We'll see how it goes. I'll just note that I'm dedicated to Wikipedia's editing environment, not to peoples' ability to do homework. Huon (talk) 00:35, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello again, Huon. I would not know if User:Iwachiw2001g is not the Walter Iwachiw who ran User:Iwachiw2001. If he is, then I completely understand why you would like to stop him. But if he's not, then I am sure you understand why I would request he can use his sandbox again. As you say, we shall probably know better in the following weeks. Thank you for the work you do for the community, and if I can be of help in this matter, please let me know. DrX (talk) 02:30, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

On your assesment and edits on Barrackpore Mutiny
--Removed-- Avskbhatta (talk) 16:51, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I have replied on the article's talk page so that other editors interested in the topic can more easily find the relevant discussion. Huon (talk) 22:47, 24 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Hello Huon, I just found a fantastic account in The Oriental Herald that might appeal you to rethink on the neutrality of Captain Pogson's account. If you are interested, request your quick reading. URL: The Oriental Herald Vol 5 1825 .P.S. I like the way you spell labour. Thank you. Avskbhatta (talk) 23:03, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Please keep the discussion on the article's talk page at Talk:Barrackpore Mutiny of 1824. Thanks. Huon (talk) 23:52, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Sthubbar
Thank you for the ping, as the removal was procedural, I did reverse my removal and noted on their talk page. It is feasible this editor uses multiple computers and addresses and their IP block only applies on other ones. — xaosflux  Talk 16:09, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

Notice
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Hello71 3RR block review. Thank you. ⁓ Hello  71  20:01, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

The block on 86.189.2.166
Hello Huon. An IP that you have recently blocked, User talk:86.189.2.166, currently has a request for unblock that is waiting to be reviewed. Just to let you know. Thanks. FixCop (talk) 20:57, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Firstly, I have not blocked that IP but merely declined an unblock request. Secondly, even if I had, notifying me would not be necessary; if another admin feels a block I imposed is no longer necessary, they are welcome to unblock the editor in question. I will generally not review unblock requests for editors I have blocked myself (except to lift blocks in cases of obvious error), and I will not review two requests to lift the same block. If you agree that user is the Best known for IP, then I'd advise you to not feed them. Trying to reason with them is futile. Huon (talk) 21:19, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

Oh ok. I understand now. FixCop (talk) 21:25, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

Vineetpl7 (talk) 17:49, 30 October 2016 (UTC) Thanks for unblocking me. It means a lot to me. Once again thanks.

Special:Contributions/2602:306:3357:BA0:68A9:55E4:4E38:BEA9
Do you have any idea who this IP might be? It reported you at AIV for some reason. Dustin ( talk ) 05:08, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Dustin, I would assume it's related to this IP, which in turn is the same as this person, evading the block. Whether they're also related to this person who only knows the decimal system is open to interpretation. Huon (talk) 08:05, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Need an uninvolved admin
At the thread WP:ANI. JzG's there, but he's involved. I've asked more than one admin, so no pressure. Thanks. MjolnirPants  Tell me all about it.  23:49, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Thank You
I will keep in mind your advice. I will try to be a better editor. May we meet again except in different circumstances.Dannecoolboi (talk) 22:00, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. Good luck, and happy editing! Huon (talk) 22:06, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

Two-Factor Authentication now available for admins
Hello,

Please note that TOTP based two-factor authentication is now available for all administrators. In light of the recent compromised accounts, you are encouraged to add this additional layer of security to your account. It may be enabled on your preferences page in the "User profile" tab under the "Basic information" section. For basic instructions on how to enable two-factor authentication, please see the developing help page for additional information. Important: Be sure to record the two-factor authentication key and the single use keys. If you lose your two factor authentication and do not have the keys, it's possible that your account will not be recoverable. Furthermore, you are encouraged to utilize a unique password and two-factor authentication for the email account associated with your Wikimedia account. This measure will assist in safeguarding your account from malicious password resets. Comments, questions, and concerns may be directed to the thread on the administrators' noticeboard. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 20:33, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

A new user right for New Page Patrollers
Hi.

A new user group, New Page Reviewer, has been created in a move to greatly improve the standard of new page patrolling. The user right can be granted by any admin at PERM. It is highly recommended that admins look beyond the simple numerical threshold and satisfy themselves that the candidates have the required skills of communication and an advanced knowledge of notability and deletion. Admins are automatically included in this user right.

It is anticipated that this user right will significantly reduce the work load of admins who patrol the performance of the patrollers. However,due to the complexity of the rollout, some rights may have been accorded that may later need to be withdrawn, so some help will still be needed to some extent when discovering wrongly applied deletion tags or inappropriate pages that escape the attention of less experienced reviewers, and above all, hasty and bitey tagging for maintenance. User warnings are available here but very often a friendly custom message works best.

If you have any questions about this user right, don't hesitate to join us at WT:NPR. (Sent to all admins) .MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 13:47, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

New Page Review needs your help
Hi ,

As an AfC reviewer you're probably aware that a new user right has been created for patrolling new pages (you might even have been granted the right already, and admins have it automatically).

Since July there has been a very serious backlog at Special:NewPagesFeed of over 14,000 pages, by far the worst since 2011, and we need an all out drive to get this back down to just a few hundred that can be easily maintained in the future. Unlike AfC, these pages are already in mainspace, and the thought of what might be there is quite scary. There are also many good faith article creators who need a simple, gentle push to the Tea House or their pages converted to Draft rather than being deleted. Although New Page Reviewing can occasionally be somewhat more challenging than AfC, the criteria for obtaining the right are roughly the same. The Page Curation tool is even easier to use than the Helper Script, so it's likely that most AfC reviewers already have more than enough knowledge for the task of New Page Review.

It is hoped that AfC reviewers will apply for this right at WP:PERM and lend a hand. You'll need to have read the page at WP:NPR and the new tutorial.

(Sent to all active AfC reviewers) MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:33, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

Coal Press Nation
This is all I have to say on my Talk Page. I hope wikipedia editors and administrators forgive my mistakes. --105.112.35.101 (talk) 20:39, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Taco Bell logo 2012.png
 Thanks for uploading File:Taco Bell logo 2012.png. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 15:17, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

Translation Rejection
Hi Huon! You recently answered a question of mine on my talk page and thank you for that. As you can see here I was not able to publish my translation. As you can see the user Pppery told me that I can't directly publish my translation. I tried to do what the user said but when I tried to publish the article again I received the following message: "An error occurred while publishing the translation. Please try to publish the page again. Error: Hit AbuseFilter: Content Translation Edits This action has been automatically identified as harmful, and therefore disallowed. If you believe your action was constructive, please inform an administrator of what you were trying to do. A brief description of the abuse rule which your action matched is: Content Translation Edits" Well, I think that my action was constructive so I contacted you! If you could please help me with this problem I would really appreciate it. Thanks, Jith12 (talk) 23:13, 19 November 2016 (UTC)


 * The edit filter log, which records the filter you triggered, shows that you tried to save a live article. It should not occur if you try to save it as a draft, but I'm not all that familiar with the inner workings of the content translation tool. If that helps, I can access the content you tried to save and turn it into a draft for you. Huon (talk) 23:22, 19 November 2016 (UTC)


 * It would be awesome if you could turn it into a draft for me! I'm not sure what information you need from me to do that though. The article I am trying to translate is titled "Saint-Eugène (Ontario)". If you need any more information please contact me. Thanks so much, Jith12 (talk) 23:42, 19 November 2016 (UTC)


 * I put the draft at User:Jith12/Saint-Eugène (Ontario). Personally I think it needs quite a bit of cleanup; the "infobox" is a mess, for example. I fiddled with the "see also" section and the external link, but left the rest largely unchanged. Huon (talk) 00:13, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

Edit filter manager
Hi Huon! Per our discussion, I'd like to request the edit filter manager bit. I know that I can assign it to myself, but I feel like it's wrong for me to do that and just "hat" myself. I know it's a weird request, but I feel like asking for it is the right thing to do. Thanks :-)  ~Oshwah~  (talk) (contribs)   15:07, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

Talkback
 Vanjagenije  (talk)  20:20, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

User Cagwinn
I'd like to add that User Cagwinn insulted me when I provided sources he demanded. I thought this might be useful to you as you seem to be handling his block. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Cagwinn#November_2016 UtherPendrogn (talk) 17:55, 28 November 2016 (UTC)


 * This is getting ridiculous. UP still doesn't understand our sourcing policy and although Cagwinn was edit warring, UP's post to his talk page was uncalled for - and doesn't provide sources. And he was told to leave Cagwinn's talk page but persisted. Doug Weller  talk 19:11, 28 November 2016 (UTC)


 * I've provided several sources. And I wasn't told to leave, I was told to stop "harassing" him, which it wasn't, since he asked me to post the sources. You seem to have some sort of grudge against me, if you'll ignore him insulting me. I called someone an idiot on wiktionary and got banned for three weeks, yet this guy can get away with this as well as receive apologism from you? I think he seems to have anticipated it, he specifically asked you to "deal with me". There's no Neutral point of view from you here. UtherPendrogn (talk) 19:18, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
 * UtherPendrogn, I'd advise you to tread very carefully. Since you dragged me into this I checked some of your recent edits, was rather underwhelmed by the quality, and in one instance found that it was contradicted by the given source. I don't have easy access to the sources Cagwinn and you are debating, but if that's the quality of your contributions, I can understand that Cagwinn is anything but amused at this point. Huon (talk) 23:33, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Article for Deletion: Mass market
Thank-you for your reply.

I contacted Help because there were a number of instructions that were unclear/ ambiguous.

Specifically the following: "The resulting AfD box at the top of the article should contain a link to "Preloaded debate" in the AfD page.

Click that link to open the article's deletion discussion page for editing. Some text and instructions will appear. Give a reason for the deletion and a category for the debate (instructions are on that page).

OR

Click the link saying "this article's entry" to open the deletion-debate page. Insert this text: ===PageName===

AfDs for this article: 
 * – ( View AfD View log  Stats )

Why the page should be deleted BronHiggs (talk) 23:22, 3 December 2016 (UTC) Replace PageName with the name of the page, Category with a letter from the list M, O, B, S, W, G, T, F, and P to categorize the debate, and Why the page should be deleted with the reasons the page should be deleted. If appropriate, inform members of the most relevant Wikiproject(s) through one or more "deletion sorting lists". Then add a
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of -related deletion discussions. template to the nomination, to insert a note that this has been done.

You can check "Watch this page" to follow the debate. Use an edit summary such as   Creating deletion discussion for PageName. Save the page."

I have no idea what the "Preloaded debate" is, nor how to create it nor how to access it. I have no idea how to open a discussion page for the article's deletion. I am unable to locate any link saying "this article's entry". I find most of WP's step by step instructions totally confusing and lacking in specific detail. BronHiggs (talk) 23:22, 3 December 2016 (UTC)


 * The "preloaded debate" is the discussion page that you want to open, with some pre-loaded content that you can fill out to create the standard formatting for deletion discussions. Have you taken a look at what happens when you add the {{subst:afd1}} template to the article and click on the "Preloaded debate" link that the message box created by that template will show? It will bring up this page which again gives detailed instruction on how to proceed, what to fill out, and what to do next. The point of step-by-step instructions is that they should be followed in order; what may be unclear (or even impossible) at the very beginning generally should be more clear when you reach that step. Huon (talk) 00:05, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Miquelia disambiguation
Thank you for creating the disambiguation page for Miquelia. And, how did you do it? (or, where can I learn how?)

Thank you.

Mitality (talk) 23:31, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
 * You can find some basic information on disambiguation pages at WP:Disambiguation. They are created just like any other pages on Wikipedia, in this case by editing the redirect. That's a little tricky because the redirect... well, redirects, but the target page will have a small "(Redirected from XYZ)" at the top - if you follow that, you'll reach the redirect page itself, which looks something like this (that is, in fact, how the redirect page looked before I changed it). There's an "edit" tab at the top; you can use that. The redirect is created by code that looks something like ; when you remove that code and add the text of the disambiguation page, with links (no more than one blue link per entry, please) and a disambiguation template at the bottom, you're done. Huon (talk) 00:05, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

could not post to the talk page as suggested
Hi thank you for your time by the time i finished my explanation I got an error and could not post to the page. I did put it in my talk page any suggestions would be grateful as I really feel that page needs work. Truthitmatters (talk) 04:16, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

BBC 12-hour Editathon - large influx of new pages & drafts expected
AfC Reviewers are asked to be especially on the look out 08:00-20:00 UTC (that's local London time - check your USA and AUS times) on Thursday 8 December for new pages. The BBC together with Wikimedia UK is holding a large 12-hour editathon. Many new articles and drafts are expected. See BBC 100 Women 2016: How to join our edit-a-thon. Follow also on #100womenwiki, and please, don't bite the newbies :) (user:Kudpung for NPR. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 00:02, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

James Segeyaro
Thanks for your help with the ref issue but I had to ask another user to help as it failed. 109.155.85.69 (talk) 18:03, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Mary Elise Hayden
I was wondering if you could restore the Mary Elise Hayden article which you deleted. It was deleted as a re-creation of a deleted article, but (per G4) that "excludes pages that are not substantially identical to the deleted version". Now, I never saw the deleted version, so I don't know how similar it is, but (a) Articles for deletion/Mary Elise Hayden indicates that the original version had COI problems, which this one obviously did not, and (b) since the deletion discussion was more than two years ago, I would suggest the notability has improved since then: her appearance in Ravenswood means she now passes WP:NACTOR. StAnselm (talk) 06:44, 16 December 2016 (UTC)


 * The originally deleted version of the article, which was found to not establish notability, was better than your version. Unlike yours, it mentioned Ravenswood and even had something resembling a reliable third-party source. So neither the page I deleted nor the points you bring up here show that anything has gotten better since the deletion discussion, and the version I deleted in particular did not even come close to addressing the reasons for the previous deletion: If I hadn't deleted it via G4, then A7 would also have applied to your version. For these reasons I will not restore it. If Hayden indeed has become more notable since the deletion discussion, I'd advise you to create a new draft that summarizes what independent sources report about her. Huon (talk) 18:38, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh, OK - thanks. StAnselm (talk) 19:30, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

My Sharon Pincott draft
Hi Huon, I've been trying to send this update to SwisterTwister/WhirlingStorms, too, but I'm getting all confused. Could you possibly forward to him as well? Thank you.

It's well after midnight where I am, and just wanted to ask if you could look at all those various 'External Links' that I've added, when you have abit of free time, to see if we're more on the right track now in terms of the 'independent reviews' (etc) that you need.

Please note that I HAVEN'T yet edited the references (but I will).

Also, I wanted to let you know that I've found out something that might help you think differently about the documentary (All the President's Elephants) credit to Pincott too (as opposed to just the film crew). The International Film Festival was organised (in conjunction with the UN and CITES as I've already written) "to raise global awareness of the various challenges facing the African and Asia elephants" ... and the judging panel were very high-level conservation people (eg Minister of Environment from South Africa, USA Under Secretary of State for Economic Growth, Energy and the Environment, etc) - and so their focus wasn't 'technical' in terms of the filming. It was very much 'conservation' orientated and which films would best help global awareness. So I plan to expand the documentary paragraph a little bit to reflect this new info, if you agree it would be worthwhile? So that people can better understand why being a finalist reflects so well on Pincott too.

Also, I've had advice from Pincott's publisher now too that they expect a 1,000+ word published article by a journalist to appear before Christmas, on Pincott/Elephant Dawn. So that sounds like what you're after too, so I will include that when they send me the link, which they've said they will do.

Any input to all of this, I'd appreciate again. (Please do forward to SwisterTwister/WhirlingStorms too. Thanks again.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arnie1000 (talk • contribs) 14:36, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

Getting closer to finalising Sharon Pincott; for your review again please
Hi again @SwisterTwister and @Huon, turns out we are now very pleased that you rejected the first draft of Sharon Pincott @SwisterTwister! After all of the input from you both and answers to questions, we think the text of the article is much stronger now overall, and certainly now we have more and better references/links too. Thank you both once again for all of the helpful advice and input.

The article is still not 100% complete, but I think it is getting very close now. I am waiting on another one (and maybe two) substantial published reviews of Elephant Dawn, that are still expected out of South Africa and Australia (hopefully before Xmas or soon after). And we are still looking to see if there are any more relevant links that we can find.

Please, could you have a read of the complete article again whenever you’re able (since it is worded quite differently now to the original submission that was declined) – plus with the extra links cleaned up and added (now separated between ‘Book reviews’ and ‘External Links’). And please let me know if you could, if you agree it’s nearing completion from the point of view of your own requirements, and soon ready for resubmission?

Any additional input you have, I’d be very grateful. Arnie1000 (talk) 09:16, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

Please can you read new notes/questions in Sharon Pincott draft
Hi @Huon, Please could you go back to Sharon Pincott draft, to the REFERENCES section - and read my comments/questions that I've typed there IN CAPITALS (for ease of finding them)... I will delete these notes obviously, but for now it just seemed the easiest way to get some more feedback from you, following your input earlier today. If I do what I indicate there (I will ask for general help to assist me to reference differently), would you be happy/happier with this, if I did it this way?? Or would you still have concerns? (Please do read my initial comment, at the very top of the REFERENCES section, first -  and then others beneath that, in capitals.) Thankyou. I appreciate your additional input. Arnie1000 (talk) 08:22, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Hopefully you'll be happy with this as reference for draft Sharon Pincott
Hi Huon (and SwisterTwister), I will reference this (recently published) article/review (link below) actually in the text of draft Sharon Pincott. Hopefully this new reference will help substantially for Jane Goodall/Dian Fossey mention. Will get those other edits/deletions done soon and will then go back for one final (hopefully) review before resubmitting. https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2016-12-20-elephant-dawn-the-high-cost-of-hanging-out-with-elephants/#.WFqvhSKz-M8 Arnie1000 (talk) 16:46, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

thanks for the explanation
of what I did to Caifanes. It had been bothering me -- I usually fix whatever it is before I blank those notices and it seemed like I should have been able to find it. And yes that was unintended. Sometimes my touchpad is overly sensitive Elinruby (talk) 05:47, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Happy Holidays!
Happy Holidays text.png Hello Huon: Enjoy the holiday season, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, JustBerry (talk) 23:46, 25 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Spread the WikiLove; use {{subst:Season's Greetings1}} to send this message

Merry, merry!
From the icy Canajian north; to you and yours! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 00:49, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Oyiza Momoh
I'm pretty sure the role she played in M.I. High was a major one? If so, it was not an A7? Adam9007 (talk) 01:09, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
 * The article didn't say it was major, and I don't think that's a reasonable conclusion from "her role as Aneisha Jones" (well, ok, that's better as "her role as 'girl on bus'", but "played a named character in a TV series" still falls short). RHaworth and Bbb23 also deleted the article via A7 while containing basically the same content, so I don't think my assessment is an isolated error. If Oyiza Momoh is notable, it would be best to find some independent reliable sources discussing her in depth. Merely rewording the unsourced page so it becomes A7-proof seems less helpful. Huon (talk) 01:27, 27 December 2016 (UTC)