User talk:Hurricanefan25/Archive 1

I would like to help get rid of Wikipedia vandalism that I see on the recent changes page. How do I do it? Do I have to get a license or something? Thanks!

I really want to help. Is there even anyone here to answer my questions????

Welcome!

Hello, Hurricanefan25, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful: I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your messages on discussion pages using four tildes ( ~ ); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question on this page and then place  before the question. Again, welcome! -- John of Reading (talk) 14:57, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
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 * I just happened to drop by here since you had posted at the Help Desk. No, you don't need a license; anyone can search for vandalism and remove it. The page Vandalism will help you to decide what is and isn't vandalism, and describes some of the tools that people use. -- John of Reading (talk) 14:57, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Wait...so there need to be sources? Hurricanefan25 (talk) 15:11, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Wikipedia learning curve! I suggest you stop and look through the Tutorial. -- John of Reading (talk) 15:50, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Also, I see a lot of "Article for creation" things in recent changes. What is that? Hurricanefan25 (talk) 15:39, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
 * That's one venue for developing new articles; they are not part of the encyclopedia yet, but will be looked at by experienced editors. See WP:AFC. -- John of Reading (talk) 15:50, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

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Your recent edits
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Hi!
Hi Hurricanefan25. I'm sure I'd be able to adopt you, but I'll have to look into your history. Let me get back to you. In the meantime, have a look at my adoption school to see the sort of things you're letting yourself in for. WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 16:37, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

OK! Hurricanefan25 (talk) 17:00, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi Hurricanefan25. I've created you your own personal adoption page at User:Worm That Turned/Adopt/Hurricanefan25. Wander over, have a snoop, let me know if you have any questions. There's 8 lessons to go through, each with a short test at the end, which should cover the basics of wikipedia. As to your question regarding ways to edit articles, you seem to be doing a good job to me! I'll cover what to do when things go wrong, but for now, be bold and improve things. If you've got any specific questions about how things should look, come and ask.  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 08:34, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for reverting my user page
Thanks guys for these reverts -- Red rose64 (talk) 22:09, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

You're welcome! :) Hurricanefan25 (talk) 22:23, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Howdy
Hey, I saw some of your edits, and I'm liking what I see. I'm also a fan of hurricanes, but I'm likewise a fan of music! (actually, much more than a fan, I am a musician) I saw the link to David Kim on your user page, and while I haven't performed under him, I have performed under Peter Nero with the Philly Pops. I've been around Wikipedia for a long time (since August 2005), so if you need any help I'm here. If you're interested in hurricanes, might I suggest you join the Tropical cyclone Wikiproject? I am one of the founding members, and we're always in need of editors. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 15:00, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Sure, no problem. I do know that User:HurricaneSpin is working on an article on Adrian - User:HurricaneSpin/Sandbox1. First, you do seem rather experienced already. Have you had prior wiki experience? Second, seeing as you don't own articles, you can always go into collaborations with other people. As tempting as making an article on Adrian might be, given how recent it was, you might have an easier time on an older storm, where there is plenty of information out there. I'm not sure if you're bilingual or not, but you might have difficulties finding a variety of sources for Adrian (outside of the National Hurricane Center, at least). Generally, articles are required to have sources outside of the NHC, as otherwise it is rather redundant (since the NHC makes their own tropical cyclone report with all of the goodies in it). See Hurricane Ioke versus Hurricane Douglas (2002) - you might be able to tell that something is missing in the latter. That generally means that articles should have affected land to a decent extent (which is how you can get non-NHC sources). That's why I brought up the bilingual bit. If Adrian did affect Mexico (which is quite plausible given its proximity), most likely you would have to rely on Spanish sources to find some good info. Not to mention, how much info do you think is out there that already isn't at 2011 Pacific hurricane season?
 * Given all of the above, I recommend you work on something a little older so you can get your feet wet in article-writing. I also recommend it be a storm that primarily affected an English-speaking country. That way, the sources are very easy to find. The problem is that most storms that affected USA and Canada have articles in recent years, but there are some that don't. It just depends how far back you are willing to write an article for. Most people don't realize that hurricane tracking goes back to 1851 in the Atlantic! (and Wikipedia does indeed have coverage back that far - see 1851 Atlantic hurricane season). For example, a storm like Tropical Storm Debra (1978) could probably use an article. However, that was 33 years ago, and you might not be interested in a storm that far back. No worries though!
 * As great as it is to start an article from scratch, at some point there aren't going to be any good ones left, at least ones that have a good variety of sources (and at least in the NHC's jurisdiction). There are plenty of existing articles that are rather sub-par, such as Hurricane Adrian (2005), just in case you like the name ;)
 * Now that all of the above is out of the way, once you do decide to pick your first article, there are a few things you can do. There are featured articles of almost every type of storm, which might help you decide on the format. Hurricane Charley (1986) affected both the US and the UK, whereas Hurricane Juan only affected Canada, and Hurricane Rick (2009) was a strong Pacific hurricane that eventually made landfall as a tropical storm. The similarities between all three of them is having a solid meteorological history, which describes the storm's genesis, how and why it strengthened, why it moved the way it did, and any structural changes along the way. After that can vary. That can usually be found in the tropical cyclone report (found here). They can be supplemented by using storm advisories (found in the same link under the heading "Hurricane Season Tropical Cyclone Advisory Archive"). Some articles have a preparations section, which describes watches and warnings, if people evacuated, and in general what people did because of the approaching storm (such as closing schools or opening shelters). Then there is an impact section, which describes what the storm did. If the storm affected more than one area, then generally it's a chronological account of the impact (place by place). If it's only one area, then it usually starts with some meteorological statistics, such as rainfall, peak sustained winds, peak wind gust, storm surge, tornadoes, and so on. If one aspect caused notable damage (such as a tornado outbreak), that can get its own paragraphm, followed by the impact that the tornadoes did. If not, then it's an overview what the storm actually did, such as number of houses damaged, number of people left without power, monetary damage, people killed/injured, downed trees, mudslides, etc. The last section that most articles have is an aftermath section, which describes the recovery and long-term impact. A lot of articles don't have that, since most storms don't have any lasting effect (particularly if they are a weak tropical storm or only cause a glancing blow).
 * All of that may seem like a lot, but making an article is quite easy, really. It's much easier than, say, doing a school research paper. If you just want to go through every article and fix every typo you find, that's perfectly fine! You're still helping Wikipedia. If you want to add content, that is great! As I believe you know now (judging on your adoption page), everything added must be verified by a source. I find Google news to be a great asset in writing articles. If you were looking for Adrian's impact in Mexico, you would just do a general search for [Hurricane Adrian Mexico] and specify the time period when the storm occurred. One thing on that note. Be sure the sources you use do mention the storm. We have had problems in the past where people included information that wasn't even related to the storm.
 * I hope you have fun editing. I know the above seems like a lot, but, as I said, it's quite easy when you get the hang of it. If you have any questions at all, I'm here! (or, at least, I will be later tonight when I get back from play rehearsal) --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 18:40, 29 June 2011 (UTC)


 * The images you have listed in your sandbox are fine to use since they are not really images.Jason Rees (talk) 19:46, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 * We do have people who work for NOAA on the Wiki, but if you want to use images from NOAA you can just upload them without needed to ask anyones permission as they are in the Public Domain. As for the total depressions field, it lists all the systems that have reached or exceeded the depression stage, although the NHC has already admitted that they should of initiated advisories @ 2100 UTC last night instead of 0000UTC.Jason Rees (talk) 20:18, 29 June 2011 (UTC)


 * One more thing that might be helpful is WP:WPTC/S, if you haven't seen it. It's general advice on how to write articles related to tropical cyclones. If you have any questions, you can ask any of us at our talk pages, or at the WikiProject talk page at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tropical cyclones. Happy editing! Tito xd (?!? - cool stuff) 21:34, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Hey there! The best source you'll find for Debra is in your "Debra (1978 Atlantic)". Beyond that, you may find this helpful - - as well as a good Google news search -. --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 02:25, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Nice start so far! Here are a few basic comments. First, hurricane articles use UTC instead of GMT, so whenever you see the latter, you can just replace it with the former. If you ever see references to knots, most of the time you can just avoid using that, and instead use mph and km/h. The next big step, if you really want to complete the article, is add in info from Google news. In the infobox, we generally don't include injuries, since they aren't fatalities. We also don't include information about retirement, or other things that a storm doesn't do. One could just as easily write in that the storm didn't affect Canada or Europe! I made a few tweaks to it. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 19:37, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
 * No problem calling me Hink. What would you like to be called? ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 19:44, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Hey, by the way, I was wondering how you came across Wikipedia. You're doing great for only having been here for three days! I just can't believe you hadn't started before. --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 02:56, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

I've been a long-term editor on Wikia, then I simply saw an error on a page and fixed it. After that, I decided "why not register, Jimmy Wales founded this site too." I explored the wiki for a while, and I still do (up to 11 pm yesterday) and...well...I like reading wiki policies and articles! Hurricanefan25 (talk) 14:17, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Very cool! Regarding Debra, I think you need to add more Google news sources. I find it best to await peer review before adding all of the information in. An article that is five sentences long can be in perfect condition, but a peer review isn't gonna help as much as it would if the article was complete. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 14:28, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I still think there is some information to be desired. For example, you indicate a lot of meteorological details, such as high rainfall and winds. However, you don't say what they do. Did the rainfall cause any flooding? And swollen rivers? What about the winds? Were there any power outages? Any homes damaged? Is there a damage total? That's the sort of stuff to look for before going for GA, but you're definitely on the right track. I made some changes to the article, such as linking (you can pipe links so they aren't too long, such as my user page). Check out what I did in the edit window. Also, there was some redundant info in the article. You indicated twice that there were gale warnings, as well as the oil rig evacuation. Similar pieces of information should be together. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 18:34, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Twinkle
Hi Hurricanefan25. You maybe should try using Twinkle (you can turn it on in your preferences), as that will help you revert more easily. It will give you a couple buttons: [Rollback] [Rollback (vandal)]. You can click on the vandal rollback button to rollback all vandalism by the last user, and it will automatically open the user's talk page so you can issue a warning with the Twinkle menu. It will help make the task of going to the history to find the last unvandalized version easier. It will also help prevent issues like the edit filter report ;) . Reaper Eternal (talk) 15:15, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Confirmed User
Hello. I'm not sure if there is a template for this as I've never done it before, but I've granted you confirmed status. Keep up the good work and be sure to pay good attention to your adopter.--v/r - TP 16:32, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

orphan tag on Justin Murphy (comics)
Justin Murphy (comics) now has two links leading to it, which is the most it can reasonably have right now without spamming other articles. Because of this I had already removed an orphan tag after reading the following at WP:ORPH:

"An article is orphaned if fewer than three other articles link to it. However, this is a strict definition of the term and there is still discussion regarding whether to have a more relaxed definition in order to clear the backlog of orphans. Currently our priority is to focus on orphans with NO incoming links at all, and it is recommended to only place the orphan tag if the article has ZERO incoming links from other articles. One or two incoming links may be sufficient as long as they are relevant." Cloveapple (talk) 20:57, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, I'm an idiot. I mixed up two different pages. Very sorry. Cloveapple (talk) 04:33, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Talkback
--Demiurge1000 (talk) 21:56, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Re:Hurricane Rick
Don't worry, I've no doubt that it is notable. I was mocking the claim made by TCO. J Milburn (talk) 22:32, 30 June 2011 (UTC)