User talk:Hurricanehink/Archive 13

Retirement for 2007
It seems that WMO, didn't retire any names for 2007. So Dean and Felix, will be an addition, along with Emily, Cleo, Ethel, Edith to become Cat. 5, and not have it's name retired. Do you think that I should add the "Lack of Retirement" to their pages? EC (talk) 06:39, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

GA nomination of Hurricane Kenneth
I have asked for a second opinion of this article, but my review as is can be found on the talk page. Million_Moments (talk) 16:44, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

The Last Temptation of Krust FAC
Hello, you commented at the the recently closed FAC for The Last Temptation of Krust. It was closed with 2 comments and one "Support" after 2 weeks, and I'd like to start another FAC for it soon. During the FAC I had left a note on your talkpage that I had done my best to address the points you brought up in your comment at the FAC. Do you feel you could "Support" the article in its current status, if I started another FAC for it? Cirt (talk) 20:11, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Tropical Storm Vamei GA Sweeps Review: On Hold and Overview of Upcoming Reviews
You may remember me as having reviewed a few of your GA nominations in the past. As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing sweeps to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the GA criteria. I'm specifically going over all of the "Meteorology and atmospheric sciences" articles to ensure their quality.

I have reviewed Tropical Storm Vamei and believe the article currently meets the majority of the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. In reviewing the article, I have found there are some issues that may need to be addressed, and I'll leave the article on hold for seven days for them to be fixed. I have left this message on your talk page since you have significantly edited the article (based on using this article history tool) and because you are one of the leading members of the related WP. Please consider helping address the several points that I listed on the talk page of the article, which shouldn't take too long to fix with the assistance of multiple editors.

I will be reviewing all of the hurricane/tropical storm articles and if there are any issues concerning sourcing, fair use rationales, lead expansions, or other issues, I will be leaving a message on the talk pages of the main contributors and the WikiProject talk pages. If you prefer, I can leave all of the messages on a subpage or just the project's talk page if you prefer that. It is entirely up to you since you and your fellow editors. I'm sure I will become quite the thorn in your side for the issues I bring up, but I'm sure for many of the articles they still meet the criteria and will not need further corrections. I apologize if I appear over-bearing, but the quality of the articles is my priority. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. --Nehrams2020 (talk) 03:45, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem, there is no big rush. I've been busy too with school and I just want to make sure the changes are eventually made. In the future do you want me to leave a message on your talk page for all other holds that may arise or do you just want to view them on the talk page of the WikiProject? --Nehrams2020 (talk) 07:11, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

WIlma
I have a better version of WIlma at featured picture candidates. Can you come and look at it?

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Billy joel page
Do you think you could come up with the track times for the Billy Joel Greatest hits pages? all the other songs have them except for greatest hits Vol.s I II and III. just wondering. thanks 209.56.33.10 (talk) 20:19, 6 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't have the Greatest Hits CDs on me right now, but when I go home this weekend I'll add the track times. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 22:01, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: History of hurricanes in the Caribbean
Well, I personally decided to leave the article as a disambiguation page. I read the talk page, and I agreed that the article was poorly written and redundant. Additionally, it did not include Dean and Felix, which were obviously Caribbean systems. I think separate, specific pages (i.e. List of Florida hurricanes, List of Bermuda hurricanes, et al) are much more effective. These "regional" pages (similar to the Effects of Tropical Cyclone --- in --- pages) would be much better for the Caribbean, which is exceptionally diverse. I actually prefer those articles for all areas across the world that are affected by tropical cyclones. CVW (Talk) 23:45, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Recent FAC weak oppose
You recently expressed weak opposition to Connecticut Wing Civil Air Patrol's FAC. Several of the issues you cited have been addressed, and I have questions on some of them. Please see the article's nomination page for these comments. Codharris (talk) 21:30, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: The infobox
The infobox was in my userspace. It is still there, but hidden. I don't want to work on anything if one or two editors decide they want the problems to stay in. For example, I would probably oppose a FAN for Cyclone Guba or any similar article because the color scale decided on members of this project is being used incorrectly in the article, and probably would confuse readers. You can't refuse to address issues because things are done a certain way traditionally. Anway, the template is still hidden in my userspace. It's about 1/6 to 1/4 complete, and I was still trying to address all of the little issues I could find in the articles. You are welcome to copy it elsewhere and work on it. Sorry, but it is not worth my time to work through bureaucracy created by a couple of people. Putting every package of goods up to a vote doesn't give a very good product. Someone's already rolling out the version of the template with a lot of issues left to address, and that was done by 'consensus.'Potapych (talk) 23:06, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: Henri
Although the image can be cropped, I just didn't like the image, because there's nothing in it to show position (even though at least the Yucatan should be in that image.) Instead, I uploaded a GIBBS IR image of Henri, not only because of the land masses, but for size. Now that the 1979 images exist in the archive, I can find slightly better images of all storms this season (plus Ernesto of 82).

On a side note, I'm starting to think the meteorological bureaus all over the world need a new rule: Never name tropical cyclones "Ivan". Each time one was, something unique (or bad) happened (80: Category 2 in Vince-territory, 98: one of four active hurricanes, 08: 80+ dead in Madagascar, 97: one of the most intense typhoons ever (with its partner Joan), and 2004's is apparent). Hurricane Angel Saki My own personal NHC 07:02, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Infobox Hurricane Impact
Hey, what do you think about this? I think it would be helpful on the Effects of XX in X articles. Juliancolton The storm still blows...  13:26, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

RFA 2
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1916 AHS article
I noticed that your edit summary states the season still has two intense hurricanes prior to August. I think that's incorrect because the changes have been approved into the HURDAT best track. It isn't visible on some sites (i.e. Unisys Weather), but they're still waiting for the release of Erin's TCR. Essentially, the changes are official; some sites won't update data until the 2007 season's reports are completed. By the way, do you want to review my Hurricane Emilia (1994) article? I created it. I think it meets GA standards. CVW (Talk) 02:47, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

List of wettest tropical cyclones in the United States
I never realized a list needed this amount of text, just figured a list was a list. The problems you noted should all be solved now. Let me know what else it might need. This is a good learning experience...because now I have a better idea what it will take for List of wettest tropical cyclones by country to make FLC. Thegreatdr (talk) 23:58, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

List of hurricanes in the Bahamas
Hello. Do you want to collaborate with me and build this list? It's been consuming considerable time. You write excellent lists within short time spans, so I think you can finish this one. I can add additional information, too. We can also split the list by time period if it grows too long. Thanks! CVW (Talk) 02:31, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * That sounds ideal. We could also randomly contribute to various sections of the list. The order of progression isn't paramount for me. Regardless, I'm willing to work with you and build this list. My articles have definitely improved since I joined this site. CVW (Talk) 03:48, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

WP:LOTD
At last look your RFA candidacy looked like it was going well. Good luck for the last 36 hours or so. As a regular voter at WP:LOTD, I thought I would mention that the voting time period is half way over. Your feedback would be helpful.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 03:13, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Featured article candidates/Opeth
Hello. If you have any free time, could you please copyedit Opeth? It has been requested on the FAC that the article gets a copyedit. If you don't want to or simply can't please feel free not to, however it would be appreciated if you replied to me on my talk page if you can't. Thank you, &mdash; Burningclean &#91; Speak the truth! &#93; 18:17, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your help. All your concerns are addressed. Good luck on your RfA! &mdash; Burningclean &#91; Speak the truth! &#93; 19:38, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * By the way, what does this mean: "Recstring:"? &mdash; Burningclean &#91; Speak the truth! &#93; 19:40, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. &mdash; Burningclean &#91; Speak the truth! &#93; 20:29, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Suggestions?
Any more suggestions for Charley? —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheNobleSith (talk • contribs) 21:33, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Your RfA
Congratulations, you're now an administrator. Good luck with the mop! The Rambling Man (talk) 21:30, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations
Congratulations on your promotion to administrator. While my vote was neutral, I would've been dissapointed to see you be denied. Use those powers wisely....TheNobleSith (talk) 21:55, 17 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I too would like to congratulate you on your successful RfA. Thus, I award you


 * Congrats on your adminship! You've worked very hard for it:) &mdash;Alastor Moody 22:27, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Congrats, have fun with the tools. Malinaccier (talk) 01:37, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Congrats also! We need more admins like you on the job... You're a great editor!  κaτaʟ aveno TC 02:56, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Congrats per above. Keep those article contributions going! Sephiroth BCR  ( Converse ) 03:15, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

RfA congrats
Congratulations. And if you don't get distracted by adminship, well, clearly Awadewit and I will have to resort to something underhanded -- like, er, well, I'm not sure what we could do. Anyway, congrats, and have fun with the new buttons, and good luck on getting to the top of WBFAN -- it will be good to have someone at the top whose articles were all written under the modern standards. Mike Christie (talk) 02:01, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey there - congratulations on your RfA. I know my support vote was the one that tipped the balance... Tanthalas39 (talk) 03:06, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Congrats
I remembered you from either an RfA or a hurricane related article from 2006. I was very impressed by what you've been doing and know you will do well with the mop. Dloh  cierekim'''  04:32, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, congratulations. You will be great.  Sunder  land  06   07:55, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Nice job, enjoy the tools. Spencer  T♦C 11:01, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Good luck and congrats, please don't delete the main page. :) Keilana | Parlez ici 12:21, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Congratulations on passing your RfA. Use them tools well. (and keep up the awesome work with the tropical cyclone wikiproject) Thingg &#8853; &#8855;  13:32, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: RFA
No prob. But I do mean what I said. It has been a long time since I have seen someone with more than one FA up for RFA. You have what, 32? And the answer you gave to my question proves that you do know what you're doing with admin tasks. (honestly, I don't know how you could possibly not know after being on here long enough to get more than 30 FAs, but that is beside the point) J.d ela noy gabs adds  14:52, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

About your RfA
Congratulations on your successful request for adminship. I am glad you passed, and you are welcome for the support. For information on using your new tools, see the school for new admins; you will find it very useful. Good luck! Acalamari 15:18, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Reply
Hink, try to get some of the experienced reviewers to look at your FACs; I want to avoid the support being criticized in the future as "thin" or inexperienced (considering the track record of some reviewers). Sandy Georgia (Talk) 15:29, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Experienced = Tony1, Karanacs, Awadewit, Elcobbola, Laserbrain, Woody, Roger Davies, Maralia ... I could go on ... Sandy Georgia (Talk) 15:58, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm glad; I don't want to see any of our best editors at FAR down the road :-) Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 16:03, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

A favor
I also have an FAC going at Featured article candidates/Elderly Instruments. Do you possibly have time to look over the article for remaining prose issues? One editor has stated that there are prose issues and I'm at the point where I'm not finding anything else. I think it just needs a once-over by a different editor and I have come to respect your writing ability. Let me know. Thanks --Laser brain (talk) 01:03, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for the copyedit and comments - please let me know any time you need a copyedit. --Laser brain (talk) 04:23, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Tropical Storm Charley (1998)
Take a look at the suggestions I made and the changes being made in the Tropical Storm Charley (1998) article. I know it was recently listed when I made the GAC suggestions, but NobleSith was good enough to review my GAC for Tropical Storm Jerry (1995), even a second time after recently failing it, so I'm returning the favor. This is my first review of an article for the TC project, though I have reviewed 2 or 3 met project articles for GA in the past. See if I covered the basics. Thegreatdr (talk) 01:20, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Improvements to 1924 AHS
I recently made some improvements to the 1924 AHS in this sandbox. Unfortunately, I can't move the page history to the primary AHS article for 1924. Can you help? Thanks. By the way, congratulations on your successful administrator status! CVW (Talk) 02:41, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations and more
Hey, I missed your RfA... sad. But, congratulations (late again? oh dear...). Surely you are even more busy than before. Well... if you don't mind, would you take a look at Riya Sen, and give a few outsiders comments? BTW, Sitakunda Upazila has passed through the GA barrier, and is up for another round of copyedit and peer review. It's been lying there for some time. Since volunteers are getting scarce, I have decided to spam all the nice people I know to take a look. Would you, please, pretty please? Congrats again. Aditya (talk • contribs) 06:10, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

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Hurricane Camille GA Sweeps Review: On Hold
Congratulations on your successful RfA! I hope you enjoy using the tools. I have reviewed Hurricane Camille which is currently a GA class, and have placed it on hold for GA Sweeps since it has some issues concerning sourcing and a few other minor things. I have also left messages on the talk pages of other editors and related WikiProjects to spread the workload around some. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. Happy editing! --Nehrams2020 (talk) 23:02, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

HHF Automatic Inductions
The following storms have been found to meet the current criteria for automatic induction into the Hurricane Hall of Fame and will be inducted with the five elected inductees this June: Great Caribbean Hurricane of 1831, Hurricane San Marcos of 1870, Great Mexican Hurricane of 1909*, 1935 Caribbean Hurricane. Note, a special exception was made in the case of the 1909 storm. It was initially going to highlight this year's ballot, but in light of the very competetive list this year, it was inducted automatically on the assumption that it would have been elected anyway. Just thought you'd like to know...;) -- § Hurricane E  RIC  archive 18:33, 21 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I have a good idea of who the nominees are but since the voting won't start until May and the induction ceremony isn't until mid-June, I'm being somewhat secretive. The list is highlighted by an old prologue to Katrina and four storms that were unjustly not retired. Another big contender is the deadliest storm to kill less than 1,000 people. Two other candidates were overshadowed by more famous storms in the same season. As for the other two, one helped make 19** a bad year for Florida and the other was a weak but lethally wet storm from early in WWII. HaHa! I'm such an asshole, you can figure it out ;) I'm starting to develop a plan for international expansion. Any international storm will not have a description on my HHF pages here on my user page, there just isn't enough space. I'm very hesitant to expand beyond the Pacific. The standards will need to be much stricter for WPAC than for ATL and EPAC. I'm still undecided about the Indian Ocean and SPAC. Storms in N IND are just so much worse than anywhere else just because of the poverty and the horrible population density. As for the southern Hemisphere, I just don't know what the parameters would be. They aren't well covered in the media and I don't know what would qualify as a stand-out storm down there. I do plan to open the door for Cyclone Catarina. I think you and I should set parameters for the Pacific and invite some of the other senior WP:TROP editors to join an inaugural caucus. We'll induct at least ten international storms and hold annual elections just like in the Atlantic, maybe with fewer getting in each year since historical record only goes back 63 years. --  § Hurricane E  RIC  archive 18:16, 22 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't really see how it's US biased; only three of the ten I showed you did their most notable damage in the US. Remember, with 3,000 miles of coastline, the US is going to take plenty of big hits and I think I've been pretty fair. I haven't put all the retired names in there because I feel that just because a bunch of suits with heavy political agendas said, "Ooh, that was a bad one" doesn't mean a storm is a Hall-of-Famer. The criteria for being retired is much lower than the criteria for the HOF. A HOF storm is a storm that leaves such an impact that it echos through time; be it by killing 7,000 people or hitting Florida in February. And just because some storms aren't in the Hall now doesn't mean they won't ever get in. I certainly hope there are plenty more that should be in but aren't so I can keep doing this. Trust me, I know about Fran; my grandmother lived through it. But when there are still storms like Joan, Cleo and Hilda waiting to get in, storms like Fran take a back seat. After all, I wouldn't want to be US biased ;).
 * As for the votes, I say we give them a list of ten and each of them pick three. If a storm is getting the nod from multiple people, then we might have something. What is your imput on majority? What percentage do you think a storm must have before it's in? Half? More? Less?  § Hurricane E  RIC  archive 03:18, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Dammit, stop making so much sense; you're stealing my thunder ;). I know the votes sounded a bit terse. I was trying to keep it short. I'd like to hold the caucus this week. Maybe this weekend would be a good time. I'm still undecided on the Indian Ocean storms and the southern Hemisphere, but I think we should go ahead and start throwing out names for Pacific nominees, obvious ones first. Try and keep your list under 15. -- § Hurricane E  RIC  archive 20:28, 25 March 2008 (UTC)


 * We should probably do EPAC first. I think it will be easier for you and me to agree on the nominees. WPAC will be more involved. Quick gimme ten and only ten.   § Hurricane E  RIC  archive 01:03, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Okay good; we have six already  Now the fun part begins. First of all, Ioke is not eligible for induction as the storm has to have two full seasons between it and the induction year. That's my fault, I forgot to direct you to the rules I set for the HOF, which are on my HOF page. As for the other four spots, how about we give a brief (a couple sentences) explanation as to why we feel that the other's nominees we left off should not be on the nominations list. For example, because I didn't pick John, Linda and Kenna, I would explain why I left them off. I'm open to suggestions. I do think that you forgot some of the historically destructive storms. You included several of them in the preliminary list you gave me earlier but did not include them in your top ten. I'm gonna have a rough case for 1975 but so are you with Kenna. It only killed 4 people and caused barely $100 million in damage. As for John; it's up there but I don't think it cracks the top ten. Maybe it undercuts 1975 or 1858 and I'll certainly give that some thought tomorrow. The longevity record should get it in eventually. Here's my thinking on Linda: Yes, that record is huge. But that record is all Linda has. If it weren't the strongest EPAC storm of all-time, then it would be scarcely notable. What happens if a future storm breaks Linda's record. Then Linda's place in HOF is meaningless. Right or wrong, that's why I left it off. There may be others we're missing but I can't think of any. Calvin in 1993 killed like 93 people or something but I doubt it'll make it this go-round. -- § Hurricane E  RIC  archive 03:20, 29 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay, John'll replace the 1858 storm and Linda will replace the 1975 storm but I'm not letting Tara go. Hurricane Hattie may not have killed 500 people like orignally thought, but it still got a plaque and was plenty deserving of it. I doubt the 500 figure for Tara is that far off. In fact I think the 430 number given in the List of notable tropical cyclones is more accurate and plenty deserving of the Hall. Her inclusion would make two concessions for me and two concessions for you. I think that's fair. -- § Hurricane E  RIC  archive 00:30, 30 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry about the delayed response; I have a 9-page paper due Friday, which rounds out to no less than ten for my topic (a hurricane-related one of course) so I've been really busy. Anyway, how many voters do you think we should have and who (besides us)? -- § Hurricane E  RIC  archive 20:49, 31 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Excuse me for getting sidetracked, but I'm really getting tired of lazy admins. You have to tell people why you're deleting something. So many just leave the generic template for the deletion log. I just got finished reprimanding one who didn't even finish filling that out. How hard is it to type a few words? Anyway, back on track. I was thinking jdorje, bob rulz, thegreatdr, RattleMan, CrazyC...who else? -- § Hurricane E  RIC  archive 21:45, 31 March 2008 (UTC)


 * That's twelve, Hink; don't forget about us. I don't know Seddon. Is Tom688...whatever...still with us? He'd be good to consult. I value his opinion. My view of Jason Rees has very much improved, although with this many people, I think I'll leave him out. Pilover also seems to really be into the subject. Damn, I didn't think we were going to have to pick and choose. How active is CWY on the hurricane articles? From the looks of his contribs page, not much (nothing against him as an editor or a person). Looks like we're going to have to leave out somebody we don't want to leave out. -- § Hurricane E  RIC  archive 00:55, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

And if we're going to get anything done, I'm going to have to act like one. CWY and Seddon are off. That's was not as easy a decision as I just made it sound. This makes you, me, jdorje, bob rulz, thegreatdr, RattleMan, CrazyC, Mitchazenia, Juliancolton, and Hello32020 our almighty panel of judges. Now keep in mind, some may not care to join in on the fun, but I'm hoping we get a good turn out. Hold off on sending out the ballots just yet but very soon we will. Right now, I have to go work on my paper. -- § Hurricane E  RIC  archive 03:02, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


 * The official nominees for the inaugural Eastern North Pacific Division of the Hurricane Hall of Fame...written in code (more for fun than anything else. Not sure you'll be able to figure it out)   § Hurricane E  RIC  archive 23:32, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


 * HaHa! I was actually being sarcastic. It's modeled after HURDAT. Anyone who can read that can figure out my code pretty easily. And seeing as you've read just about every line for every storm in HURDAT it was pretty straight forward: Category, storm #, year. Find this storm smart guy: AH*SS1*O131. Ha Ha! That's what I thought. Note, I'll be using a similar code when you and I discuss the Atlantic nominees, though not this extranious. Ex: AH*SS4*A643. That's a storm I have an eye on as a nominee. Anyway, all bored silliness aside, I think tomorrow would be a good time to send them out. Next week is Spring Break for me and many others. I'll let the ballots soak for the week and reveal the winners next weekend. -- § Hurricane E  RIC  archive 00:25, 4 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Tomorrow? No,no. We're sending out the ballots for the EPAC stuff tomorrow. I'll show you my picks for the Atlantic nominees in a couple weeks. -- § Hurricane E  RIC  archive 00:51, 4 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Nah. My imperial iron hand can restore order, if needed ;) -- § Hurricane E  RIC  archive 01:01, 4 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Hope I fare better than many of those Roman emperors though :D. -- § Hurricane E  RIC  archive 01:16, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Peer Review Charley?
Hello hink! Tropical Storm Charley (1998) just passed GA, and I've put it on peer review in anticipation of a FAN in the next few weeks. Please tell me what you think of the article. TheNobleSith (talk) 04:23, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

NHC storm wallets
Cash depository indeed. Check out these sat photos of Tropical Storm Anna...from 1969! These were taken barely a week after the forecasters were camped out around the TV watching Neil and Buzz walk on the moon. Unfortunately they don't have any of the other storms from that year in the wallets (we already have Camille's though). Surely there's more storms from that year out there; we just haven't found them. I'll keep looking for more goodies from other years. UPDATE: Oh yeah, there's more: check out this site I just found a great pic of Debbie. -- § Hurricane E  RIC  archive 03:33, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Hurricane Iwa - Coral Sea Photo
Hi Hink, I posted a photo of the USS Coral Sea that I took in route to Hawaii back in 1982 - I thought this added to your article as there was no mention of the NAVY's help with regards to this event. I'm very new to Wikipedia and really thought this was a welcomed image. I appears that you did a revert? Is there a better way to add this photo to the article? Thanks, Raymond 70.253.202.253 (talk) 13:42, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi
Thanks for your message I gues. I editted the references to stop them being quite so long, but why do some of them look good: "Storm Force Wind Warning for the Western Area: Tropical Cyclone Lee. Bureau of Meteorology (November 15, 2007)" and some bd "WebCite query result"? And why do the Australian cyclones have the category wrong - Jacob 2007 was a 3 not a 1.--CycloneAlley (talk) 15:20, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
 * What about the second thing though, that doesnt make sense to me.--CycloneAlley (talk) 11:23, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh its the American numbers.. Why aren't the Australian numbers used?--CycloneAlley (talk) 15:23, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Noticeboard
Hello hink. Charley is now on FAC. How do I add it to the wikiproject's noticeboard?TheNobleSith (talk) 22:55, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

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TC Project
Can I join the TC project? --*****Elena85******User:Elena85/2008cyclone 15:39, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: 1988 PHS FAC Comment
Others have looked at the article and improved it further, copyediting was done, so I believe your comments are now fully addressed. Hello32020 (talk) 11:02, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

FAC Charley
Hink, how do I add non-breaking spaces to convert template output? TheNobleSith (talk) 22:25, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

I've implemented your suggestions, except for adding to the Meixcan section, which I'll be doing tonight. Tell me what you think. TheNobleSith (talk) 02:18, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

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Thanks
Yes, thanks for the encouragement. I'll get to Iris soon. I was just on the IRC channel, and it seemed pretty simple. That will come in handy. Thanks! TheNobleSith (talk) 18:51, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

BTW, I have been working on re-writing Hurricane Lili. It's in my userspace User:TheNobleSith/Hurricane Lili. Tell me what you think so far. TheNobleSith (talk) 18:55, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

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The infobox
I might work on the infobox again. There's no way many WPTC articles could be made FA with the current templates in use, and it seems that no one has done anything yet to fix that situation. Anyway, here're the colors no one bothered to look at before reverting everything (minus a couple that were too similar). Potapych (talk) 02:44, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The last column has the original colors, and the JMA column has ones added later (hence the pink color which sticks out like a sore thumb). Obviously the newer ones on the left side are consistent with the original ones. What I most strongly object to currently is the way the Australian categories are assigned. There are no similarities between AUS Categories 1-3 and SSHS Categories 1-3. Potapych (talk) 16:57, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I want to check if I am making the template too long. I have pretty much finished the section for the west Pacific, which is by far the most complicated. Since it is fairly long, I was wondering if there's a place here where people will check and add suggestions. Potapych (talk) 01:14, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, well I liked the names because sometimes you will have two similar values, but one is 10-minute and one is 1-minute. The storm might be a tropical depression in both, so it will say "Tropical depression" in both rows, maybe with links to different pages. It is kind of weird to have both stacked together, so I put names and numbers to make them look different. Of course I have been making the 1-minute speed optional, so omitting that info would make the row disappear. Still, it will no longer say what the intensity is in SSHS. I am going to try it without the names, however.


 * ETA, if you want to see an example, go this page, change the 10-minute value to 45, and hit preview. The small infobox is based on this, so it will do the same thing.


 * I had done all the stuff for pre-2000s WPac, and added stuff to handle the unofficial storms (like PAGASA ones). I can still do it again, but do you have a list of other unofficial warning centers that might come up? I saw a couple for Hong Kong. Potapych (talk) 05:37, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Hurricane Alberto (1982)
Hi. At the moment I am preparing the translation of the article into German language; I have a question on this. You have included several references ("news reports") without links. How/where have you obtained this informations? Thanks in advance. --Matthiasb-DE (talk) 21:33, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * For your convenience we can discuss the item here. Well, the source as a source doesn't get invalide only because it isn't available for anyone anywhere for free. And, for people with Lexis-Nexis accounts it can be verified. However, I have not and don't know how it works – so I am asking naïvely: Could the source be more specific described, for ex. News report from June 6, 1982 isn't very exactly; I guess AP or Reuters issued hundreds of news reports that day. Nowadays they provide a title line for each newspaper report – but did they then? Further, IMO it should be mentioned where/how the information was obtained. (Though I didn't look up wether the English templates Cite web/Cite news provide the possibility of entering such an information.) A possible solution might be to mention also a L/N reference number if any exists. But as I said, I have no clue how it works. For printed reports – as in the mentioned Washington Post article in one reference for ex. – the page number could be given, if available.
 * BTW: Well written article, good work.
 * The news report references are a common problem in the wikipedia, especially the English WP. Many editors include some sources from the website of their local cable news network's or from Yahoo News' AP feed and 30 or 60 days later they is gone (see for example the article about last years flood in the Middle West, the I-35W bridge disaster or any article written about battles in Iraq, Afghanistan or elsewhere). Webcitation.org might be a help, but looking at 2007 Pacific typhoon season's references list lets one scream. (I didn't check if the JMA's and JTWC's seasonal reports are already out but they surely will improve the situation because IMHO there's no need to refer each up-/downgrading on its own). --Matthiasb-DE (talk) 07:17, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * This comment is on your page and on mine. Well, for all of the sources, it also provides the title, which narrows down the hundreds of reports to the one in specific I was using for the article. LexisNexis works by showing a list of articles by a specific search term. For Alberto, I typed in Alberto and limited it by dates. Then, I clicked on a story of interest. On the page, I don't see any ID. All that comes up is the publisher, the date it came out, the author, the title, the length, and then the story. For more recent storms, when we use AP stories from Yahoo News or such, we are usually able to find the same story by using the same title. Webcitation.org might be a good option for the future. I suppose you could copy over the LexisNexis references for the German translation, as the info is there. What do you plan on doing? ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 16:26, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I guess I'll take those references and put a note on the discussion page. That might work well for now. Thanks for taking time to answer me. --Matthiasb-DE (talk) 16:18, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Euro currency in 1924 AHS
I apologize for the inconvenience, and I know the currency was first utilized in the 1990s, but the source for the damages still lists losses with the Euro sign. This newspaper article was published in 1924. How do we resolve this one? CVW (Talk) 20:50, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you...
I'm quite flattered to have been selected as the Tropical Cyclone Wikiproject's Member of the Month! There is a plethora of several excellent editors, including you, David Roth, and many others whom shall be nameless. Regardless, they also deserve a "thumbs up" from me. My edits have been principally concentrated in meteorology articles, though I have also made edits in several additional subjects, many of which were not weather-related. Regardless, I never thought I would have received these honorary mentions! Thank you. CVW (Talk) 02:31, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

May 2008 image

 * Regarding the image for May, I would appreciate the opportunity to select one. One possible candidate (public domain) could be this photograph of Hurricane Dean from the STS-118 Space Shuttle Endeavour in 2007. What do you think? I believe it can be uploaded to the Commons. CVW (Talk) 03:12, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Barry
(tickles Hink) Really, I can't do an indepth review of every article, especially not at the rate you produce them! How about I try to do half of the ones you put up? Ealdgyth - Talk 16:46, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * How am I supposed to catch up to you in FA count it you keep writing this fast! Besides, I comment on everyone's sources at FAC, maybe you should look around at FAC and review a few for others, you know... leave the rain and the wind behind for a bit... Ealdgyth - Talk 17:06, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh! So you want me to help you reach #1! What if *I* want to reach #1, hm???? (goes off to plot how to sabotage all of Hink's FAC's.... ) (kidding!) Ealdgyth - Talk 23:28, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Infobox
There is different infoboxe in the 1924 Atlantic hurricane season, should I change the other storms to that infobox? --*****Joan97******Active Storms 19:48, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Naomi's Rainfall
After reading Julian's comments on the article, I was thinking about how to incorporate the totals without needing to break the paragraph since a) the old way wasn't good writing (and was less of a sentense and more of a thesaurus on how to say "report"), and b) there is no HPC map for the hurricane. I was tossing the idea of either having a table in the section or realtering the flow of the section. Problem is, I have no idea how to make a decent table for such. Can you offer me advice on how I can try it, and if you think it'd work? Thanks! Hurricane Angel Saki My own personal NHC 03:51, 8 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Ahh, that looks good. What should I do about the lesser totals? Incorporate them into the main paragraph or something else? Hurricane Angel Saki My own personal NHC 22:21, 8 April 2008 (UTC)


 * OK, I've done the changes. Thanks for the help! By the way, I wanted to say, I got a new issue of one of my magazines (Astronomy) today, and on one of the pages is a view of Earth with what was undeniably a hurricane off the Mexican coast. Maybe it's just my experience in the Wikiproject, but I IDed it almost instantly (Ileana of 06). Now that I see that pic, that was a nicely developed hurricane. If only we found an bigger online version of the pic. It was excellent. Hurricane Angel Saki My own personal NHC 00:37, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm starting to get a bit concerned now. Hurricane Archive has been under maintenance for a while and I am starting to question whether the links for those articles will last through a possible FAC (and Rambling Man's comments in the PR aren't helping that problem). Given your experience with FAs, how should I approach this? Should I keep the webpage links, or put sources that list just the paper and which page its on, so that maintenance doesn't throw the article's sources into disarray during a possible future run? Hurricane Angel Saki My own personal NHC 02:13, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Image:Jokwe 2008 track map.PNG
I dont like the look of that track map. The background in it is poor quality compared to the other track maps that use the superior NASA background. Storm05 (talk) 11:55, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

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Lili
I checked already. Thanks. TheNobleSith (talk) 16:52, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Alright, I did add a few things from the previous article. For most of what I didn't add, the new article covers it, just with different wording. One thing which I don't think should be added is this: "Lili was a well-observed hurricane at its final landfall in Louisiana, as three mobile radars were deployed to the area of predicted landfall, including the National Severe Storms Laboratory's SMART Radar. These high-resolution systems complemented NOAA's fixed NEXRAD radars in Lake Charles and New Orleans. Several instrumented towers were also deployed in the path of the hurricane to provide other measurements."

I have no source for that, and it seems like more of a trivia item anyway. TheNobleSith (talk) 18:34, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

GA
Alright, go ahead and revert it. Are you saying I wasn't strict enough, or something to that effect? TheNobleSith (talk) 21:03, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I see what the problem was now. No worries, thanks for your help. Happy editing! TheNobleSith (talk) 23:07, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Cyclone Jokwe

 * Oops, well spotted - I was trimming the hook to save some space and got my "African countries beginning with M" muddled. Clearly time to get some sleep! BencherliteTalk 00:32, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Re: The Infobox
Switching from JMA to JTWC isn't a job for the templates. It's all up to the information provided (basin, 1-min winds, etc.). Anyway, I've added support for subtropical storms (in the Atlantic/East Pacific) and I have one question. Subtropical storms could be of any strength, so would it be correct to call it a "Category 1" subtropical storm?

The other thing I showed you was just a quirk found in a lot of these templates. It will be very prominent in many of the season articles because of the diversity of the storms. If someone creates an article of a tropical storm in the West Pacific, it will appear in that article.Potapych (talk) 03:18, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Re: Kesiny Article
Well, given that many of my projects are effectively halted due to THArchives, I can focus more on Kesiny with a few other articles (Fausto, Sudal, Toraji, and storms in the 2002 PHS). Right now, while I wait for THA to come back up (and up Naomi for FA status...even though I doubt it can get through), I might as well kickstart Kesiny and Fausto once I get back on my computer (I'm doing room cleaning). Maybe at the end of the day, I could work on all 2002 cyclones. Who knows? Hurricane Angel Saki My own personal NHC 00:57, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Copyright Question
Are these images from the NWS allowed? http://web.archive.org/web/20021201091918/www.srh.noaa.gov/lch/tropical/lili/lili_pics.htm

Don't worry about how most of them come up as "X" when you click on them, I can fix that. I'm just asking if they can be used in the article. TheNobleSith (talk) 04:06, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

I know its a bit screwy because it's a web archive link. TheNobleSith (talk) 19:12, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

HHOF Expansion Ballot
SH!T! I forgot all about it! Great, now this throws my whole schedule off. Sorry about that. I'll have to send 'em out tomorrow, it's after midnight right now and I spent six hours on the road today getting back from the Georgia coast. Fortunately, we have plenty of time for the expansion caucus before it's time for the Atlantic vote. § Hurricane E RIC  archive 05:36, 13 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Don't worry, I didn't get too worked up about it. It's just I said I was going to do it last weekend and it didn't happen. I don't guess I need to send you one. Feel free to fire away. I need to add a note to leave the votes on my talk page. I plan to do a significant amount of archiving right after I post this. I thought about making a subpage off my talk page, but as this will just be a temporary thing, I may not. I've given up trying be all secretive or anything. The nominees are the only things I want to be careful about. On a note about the voters, I thought Cyclone1 would be good to ask but then I learned he retired exactly four months ago. Anyone who stays regularly involved in the Hurricane Wikia is a good pick in my book. Astro's Hurricane is one I hate to leave off. He seems enthusiastic about the subject and he seems to be thinking much more practically of late. If one of our current voters doesn't respond, I plan to pick him as a replacement. -- § Hurricane E  RIC  archive 18:21, 13 April 2008 (UTC)


 * They're out. I substituted Titoxd for Hello, who hasn't been active in the hurricane articles for a couple weeks (it was a hard decision; there are a lot of great editors on the project). Mine are in.  § Hurricane E  RIC  archive 02:17, 14 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Well this sucks; I've only gotten two replies. It's hardly worth basing it on just four votes. I can't believe I don't have anything from CrazyC, he jumps all over stuff like this. -- § Hurricane E  RIC  archive 00:15, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 * No hard feelings, I've been eating and breathing airplanes for the last few weeks, and will be doing so for the next few weeks too. I'm looking here regularly, I'm just not editing. Tito xd (?!? - cool stuff) 03:33, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

WP:LOTD
As a past voter I am reminding you that there are over five days remaining at User:TonyTheTiger/List of the Day/voting/200805 to cast your votes.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 20:07, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

GREAT...
The Hurricane Archives go under some heavy scrutiny and maintenance...just to die. Now the site's been merged with the old Newspaper Archives, which provides papers only if you sign up for a plan. I've been kicked in the face often (my work appearing on other sites, sites stopping me midway on an article), but when THE MOST VITAL SITE for my work goes under...well, lets just say I have a flurry of words that must be heard...but the censors would be too overworked. In other words, now HALF of the articles I wanted to do go under, leaving scant few remaining. Unless this is a joke, I'm going to have to yank the GA stats under from Nina and Naomi (and drop Naomi from PR. Both articles were practically built on that site...Pauline and Rick too)...and I was SO...CLOSE...to getting my first FA. Any advice for me, I'm no longer thinking rationally. Hurricane Angel Saki My own personal NHC *RIP: The Hurricane Archives* 04:56, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

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Your GA nomination of Cyclone Jokwe
The article Cyclone Jokwe you nominated as a good article has passed, see Talk:Cyclone Jokwe for eventual comments about the article. Well done! Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  00:55, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Congrats. But the track map looks not so nice. --Matthiasb-DE (talk) 12:33, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

DYK
What is your FA count?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 04:02, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Have you ever thought of making something like this so we can see what type of editorial stuff you do?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 13:39, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

TCWC Jakarta
Nope. The website with their advisories on is in TXT format just like Bureau of Meteorology. -- グリフオーザー (talk) 06:03, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Nevermind it seems to work now [LINK]

WP:LOTD
Congratulations! A list you have been involved with was selected a WP:LOTD for May. You may want to add the ListoftheDayheader or ListoftheDaylayout templates somewhere in your userspace. Other template options are at User:TonyTheTiger/List of the Day/templates. Your list will appear as WP:LOTD twice. If you have any date preferences in May let me know by April 25th.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 19:29, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

LOTD
Progress would be described as slow but steady. We missed your voice this month. We hope to pick new people and keep the old ones. That is how we will build momentum towards a more official procedure, IMO. I would be uncomfortable making another proposal with the current level of participation. However, if we can maintain the current level, I might renominate this at the time of the LOTY voting when such a nomination could serve two purposes. By nominating at that time, we might get some people to help us decide the list of the year who otherwise would overlook it. In addition, it is probably going to be the highpoint of the year for the project, if we can get a slate of good lists.

Is there a particular policy guideline you think the WP:LOTD and WP:LOTM redirects violate?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 03:55, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Because of your queries last month, I am reminding you that if you want to help the process go forward I could use your vote here this month. Voting ends on the 20th.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 07:54, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Vote regarding you
Hi, I don't know if you are aware or not, but there's a vote regarding you at Wikipedia_talk:Featured_list_candidates. It's a vote on choosing an FL director. Cheers. Gary King</b> ( talk ) 17:09, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

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WP:WBFTN
Your recent edit to WP:WBFTN removed User:Gran2 from the list. Was this a mistake that needs correcting or purposeful? Regards -- <small style="background:#fff;border:#4682b4 1px solid;color:#000;padding:0px 3px 1px 4px;white-space:nowrap">ṃ<big style="color:#090">• α<big style="color:#090">• Ł<big style="color:#090">• ṭ<big style="color:#090">• ʰ<big style="color:#090">• Ə<big style="color:#090">• Щ<big style="color:#090">•   @  00:31, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Nevermind! I see he got moved up the list as he has 2 topics. Sorry! -- <small style="background:#fff;border:#daa520 1px solid;color:#000;padding:0px 3px 1px 4px;white-space:nowrap">ṃ<big style="color:#090">• α<big style="color:#090">• Ł<big style="color:#090">• ṭ<big style="color:#090">• ʰ<big style="color:#090">• Ə<big style="color:#090">• Щ<big style="color:#090">•   @  00:37, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Storms that may have been more damaging than what NHC said: Cristina (02)
Like Lidia of 93 before it, Cristina may have been responsible (indirectly) for more damage than the NHC said: this time, $45 million to upwards of $70 million damage due to a thunderstorm outbreak over Arizona on July 14. Specifically, the damage comes from a microburst that hit Sky Harbor Airport. Alone, its not enough to say that Cristina had a role in this, but a document I salvaged says that when Cristina's outer bands passed over the southern Gulf of California, it caused a surge of low-level moisture that reached southern Arizona and contributed to the development of these storms. However, two subsequent documents (which is a double whammy on the part of the cyclone, calling it "Hurricane Christine") and  both say that the surge wasn't high enough to have a good chance of thunderstorm development. Might as well ask: What do you make of this? Hurricane Angel Saki My own personal NHC 00:47, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

(EDIT: Might as well ask as well: Are we going to use Wikia for the 08 seasons as well? Hurricane Angel Saki My own personal NHC 00:48, 27 April 2008 (UTC))

2001-02 Australian region cyclone season
By the way, I already started this one over here. It's incomplete though, but more detailed than the stub which you made. What should I do?! RaNdOm26 (talk) 05:48, 27 April 2008 (UTC)


 * alright, I will do this now. I will try to finish off the rest this week. RaNdOm26 (talk) 13:16, 27 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Hello, hope you won't mind, but I'm a little clueless as to what more I could do for the article, since I haven't been editing many artciles about cyclones for a long time. So if you're able to give some feedback, that'll be great. RaNdOm26 (talk) 15:04, 29 May 2008 (UTC)