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Your GA nomination of Cyclone Gamede
Your good article nomination for the article Cyclone Gamede has passed, see Talk:Cyclone Gamede noting my passage of the article. Great job! Hello32020 (talk) 02:02, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

small infobox
Would it be useful to add a parameter that lets you change the links over in the top right corner? For example, change the link that says JMA to IMD or something. Currently, no version of any infobox has that. There are a lot of weather centers that could be included this way. I don't have a list, but I can think of Wellington, Port Moresby, Jakarta, PAGASA, etc. I could use some help coming up with those. Potapych (talk) 19:07, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you know anything? Potapych (talk) 02:04, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * A problem arises with the exceptions to that. This season had Durga and Guba, and many past articles have sections for PAGASA depressions. (There are many more examples too.) Crediting JMA or BOM for the information in the infobox may not always be correct. Potapych (talk) 14:20, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm just linking to his userpage because he's already using some examples of Template:Infobox Hurricane Small . It already has the labels for JMA and IMD. I did not add those, but I am suggesting how to make them correct. For example, someone could use PAGASA's information (which is in 10-minute form), and the infobox might say "Tropical depression (JMA)" That would be incorrect. The alternative is to not use infoboxes for storms, but it is not necessary to go to that extreme. I think it would actually look awkward without the links because the lower bar already has one. I think the infobox is fine, but it does not work well with different scales because forecasting agencies do not operate with a common set of rules. Anyway, one thing I would expect to find in an infobox is who was responsible for those difficult rules.


 * Also there's the ambiguous "Tropical Storm/Depression/Typhoon" problem I showed you earlier. It really is necessary to indicate who called it what.Potapych (talk) 01:45, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Storm 10, 1949: The deadliest Atlantic storm of all-time
The 1949 Guatemala floods were almost unquestionably linked to Hurricane 10 which later hit north Texas as a Category 4. The date of the floods is given as October, 1949. Storm 10 crawled slowly over Guatemala for over three full days in late September. Those floods killed 40,000 people, man. There's no doubt in my mind that Storm 10 had something...or everything...to do with it. I don't have an official source that says, "Yeah, Storm 10 was a huge factor" but there's no way a tropical cyclone can have crawled very slowly over the exact same area that close to a devastating flood event and not have been a huge factor. May have been like Hurricane Stan in which the storm was embedded in a broader weather system but still, Mitch is certainly scared now. -- Hurricane ERIC - Class of '08: XVII Maius MMVIII 23:53, 5 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I have my doubts that it was directly responsible as there is a few days' difference, but there is no question that the storm was a significant contributing factor. NHC probably has noticed that before and discounted it for whatever reason. However, since it affects a significant record, I think we might want to buzz it by them. I'll ask David Roth and see what he thinks. I've never known him as a very responsive sort but I'll give it the good college try. -- Hurricane ERIC - Class of '08: XVII Maius MMVIII 00:08, 7 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I got a response from Eric, regarding this system. He did some digging, and mentioned the worst of the flooding was October 19-21, which is too delayed from the cyclone impact to be considered direct.  However, it could have saturated the soil before another bout of rain set the flooding in motion. Thegreatdr (talk) 13:26, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Planning for the 7th Wikipedia Meetup
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Now time to put my money where my mouth is.
It appears you were right: THA is back up and running (thank all). Now that this problem is done, I'm making my gamble: I've uped Naomi for FA status (even though I'm pretty confident it may not succeed, given the time period and sources, but stranger things have happened. Plus, I do believe its got most of the criteria, if not all). Hurricane Angel Saki (talk) 01:01, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Eh, it's ok. Besides, I wasn't anticipating FA status anyway. However, the nomination is doing its job, with more insight. Probably the biggest difference between writing reviews and writing encyclopedia articles is that for a review, you only need source info like release date, episode status, etc, while you yourself are the main source. With encyclopedia articles, you need other sources, and your quality must be up to par. It's a refreshing challenge, and besides, hurricane articles seem to be my easiest. Apparently it's similar to others, why else do we have such an impressive roster of FAs, As, and GAs?
 * (And sorry about my laziness on Florence. I'm almost horrible with Atlantic storms (too many different countries for impact), and the only ones I ever intend to do are Gilma, Able, Helena, Alma, and Barbera. I'll still base my main operations for our project in the East Pacific. We lack a lot of good articles for the basin. But then again, there's so few landfalling storms or info that it will be hard. Plus, just wondering, but I've never found this info anywhere: Do you know the Hawaiian meaning of 2002's Ele? If I want to have a chance of FTing 2002PHS, I need just that.) Sorry for my longwindedness. Hurricane Angel Saki (talk) 01:50, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Chantal 07
Was this a mistake, or am I missing something? (serious question) Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  12:34, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Effects_of_Hurricane_Dennis_in_Alabama
I just looked it over, and made a suggestion regarding details of Dennis' history lying within the body of the article rather than the lead. Otherwise, it looks like he's satisfied your comments, and I can't find anything else for him to do/fix for GA. The individual NCDC references only total $4 million...but some are missing and there's only one month to get that kind of information from the WFO level to NCDC, so chances are it is incomplete. With the way NHC does their damage estimates, any of us wouldn't be able to find where $63.5 million of the damage came from anyway, since they merely double the known insured losses. Thegreatdr (talk) 12:54, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

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GA Nomination of Tropical Storm Chantal (2001)
Your nomination of Tropical Storm Chantal (2001) has passed, see Talk:Tropical Storm Chantal (2001) noting my passage of the article. Magnificent work! Hello32020 (talk) 14:29, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Re: Image:Cyclone Nargis 2.jpg
I'm not the uploader, so I couldn't tell you what the source was. The image was queued for automatic/bot deletion per WP:NONFREE, so I provided a rationale for temporary. I'd suggest contacting Mr.Thales. --MaTrIx (talk) 09:39, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Working on it
Sorry about that, I'll get to it.  STORMTRACKER   94  Go Irish! 21:41, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Gracie
This link from 2005 with the retired names does not include Gracie (or any retired names in 1959). Until I saw it on here, I hadn't realized the storm name had been retired. Per the reference, Gracie should be removed from the retired names list on wikipedia. Thegreatdr (talk) 00:06, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

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Introduction to genetics
Hi there, I've written this article as an attempt to introduce the articles on DNA, Gene and Genetics in a completely non-technical and approachable way. I was looking for some good editors with no background in science to look this over and advise me on how it could be improved. Would you have time to help with this? All the best Tim Vickers (talk) 16:37, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Infobox hurricane season
It's pretty much complete. I need to make some documentation, and possibly tweak things that may pop up. You might want to test it out, so if there are questions or suggestions, I can go ahead and address them. Potapych (talk) 23:39, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It's almost done, but I still found a couple of issues. However, this one is baffling. One of the templates kept dumping an line break and messing up the format. I was trying to figure out the cause until I removed the categories, which were between the tags. Some bot will probably add them back in and screw it up again. Potapych (talk) 02:41, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I think wikipedia will accept either, as long it is just the first letter. Unfortunately this is based on a template that is incompatible with most of the season articles. There's too much junk in those boxes, and the parameters will only accept clean numbers. It does the rest of the work after that.


 * I also slightly changed the use of the parameter "Type". It will mess up the few season articles that use the infobox template I started with. I could have named it something else, but I think it is important to make it look similar to the other templates of this project. I don't think there are many articles affected, and they will just say "Unknown strength tropical cyclone" until they are updated.


 * One other caveat, the chart at the end of this page makes a very helpful comparison between the different scales. A category 1 cyclone in Australia is the same as a weak tropical storm in the Atlantic, and so on. The infobox template used in the storm articles should be updated to reflect that. I actually used only existing colors in the template, and you can see the whole list here User:Potapych/Sandbox. With the codes in the left column, you can make button bars for all the seasonal articles. Potapych (talk) 03:25, 21 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay its ready to go active. The documentation is kind of sloppy, but its there. Potapych (talk) 04:07, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

WP:LOTD
List of Delaware hurricanes was selected as a WP:LOTD for one day in June and will be the LOTD during the month. Let me know before May 23rd if you have any date preferences.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 02:48, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * List of retired Pacific hurricane names too.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 02:56, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Gracie (1959)
User:CycloneAlley keeps moving Hurricane Gracie (1959) to Hurricane Gracie, saying the it doesn't matter whether it was retired or not. Before it becomes an edit war, could you look into this? Thanks. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  01:59, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Um, 7 move reverts in a day? That's already an edit war, considering one of you is in danger of breaking the 3RR with one more move. I've move-protected the article, so you guys argue out on the talk page what the name of the article should be. Tito xd (?!? - cool stuff) 03:17, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yea, I know I got kinda close to 3RR without knowing there, which is why I requested someone else take a look. I just wanted to stay consistant with our guidelines, didn't mean to do any harm. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  13:04, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

GA nomination of Cyclone Glenda
Your good article nomination for the article Cyclone Glenda has passed, see Talk:Cyclone Glenda noting my passage of the article. Fantastic job with it! Hello32020 (talk) 13:23, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Long article. Maybe you were right.
Well, I've published Liza of 1968 and proposed it for DYK. What do you think of it? Personally, I think you hit it on the head, it is redundant with waves in the impact section, but I'm amazed I got what I did from it. However, the writing alone is enough to sink it (I'm still patching it up here and there). I'll up it for GA status sometime, but it'll be an Elida-equivalent pass if it does pass. Hurricane Angel Saki My own personal NHC 09:15, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Hee, while the thought is neat, I won't try for 1968 to be FT. Outside LNP, the only other storms with shots at articles are (in descending order of possibility) Rebecca, Simone, Madeline, Iva, and Orla. However, all of them would be hard, and for some storms like Annette, Kathleen, and Tara, an article is just plain not possible (though Annette is notable for the T.D. 2 baffler). I will definently be going for a EPac FT though: 2002EPac. The seeds are there: prework articles (FA retired hurricane, two GAs for Cat 5s), plenty of possibilities for good articles (Alma, Cristina, Douglas, Fausto, Julio, and Huko, though all of them could get GAs), impact information available, even if minute (Boris, Cristina, Julio, and Huko), more up-to-date info than with 1968, plenty of pictures and rainfall data (courtesy of David Roth and co.), and notability (only the second season with three active CPac storms, tied for record for most Cat 5s in a season east of the dateline, and holds the record for most Cat 5s east of the CPac boundary). But I still have no clue what "Ele" means.


 * As for Alma and Kesiny, I shall go back to them. Alma mostly pesters me because of how abnormally large its storm history is (largely due to the TCR not being much help, and news sources making the difference) and Kesiny, as I noted before, has other cyclone warning centers and government problems...but when you consider that we have had Nargis recently, an article for a storm such as Kesiny sort of proves that dictatorships aren't the only thing political that can hinder help getting out during cyclone aftermath. Depending, I may make Alma and Kesiny the todo after 1968, and follow that up with a return to the EPac for 2002. Maybe I shall work on Alma first, then Kesiny, so that when I jump into the first article back (Alma of 2002), it wouldn't be a big jump (heck, Kesiny and Alma formed from the same source.) Overall, I'm psyched to ready up for more articles. The prospects of 2002 sound really good. Hurricane Angel Saki My own personal NHC 01:39, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Gracie
Hi. I'm not really turned off by the project as a whole, but why did he try to use an outdated sentence to invoke "policy" to over-rule common sense? If that sort of strict intepretation of "rules" is followed within the project often, then I'd rather have nothing to do with it. I'm not all that interested in *hurricanes* so June 1 isn't that significant to me :P--CycloneAlley (talk) 17:09, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Question
Just had a go at trying to update the boxes in1883 Atlantic hurricane season. However the pressure info confused me. HURDAT only has 2 pressures in it for #2, and the pressures that were in the article were from ship observations. Ignoring the fact that the pressure quoted for TS 4 was wrong, it was from the extratropical phase; is it better to discount ship information entirely (of questionable validity) or to use it and use ≤ appropriately? Just because a ship in 1883 reported a pressure of 948 mbar doesn't mean that its a valid measurement. Oh and are the tracks going to be updated for reanalsis?--CycloneAlley (talk) 17:37, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * How does this look?--CycloneAlley (talk) 14:43, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
 * OK thanks. Leads me on to another question though why are sections like this so yucky? The text isn't readable due to the alphabet soup. 17S is worse: I can read the text but it ONLY says where and when the storm formed. It doesn't say if the storm ever dissipated, just that they stopped tracking. Is there any reason why sections tell us what the centers did and NOT say what the storm itself was up to (and why)? For that matter, why do both agencies even need mentioning all the time - they basically agree most of the time? Sorry for asking, but I want to know I can get rid of the crap without breaking another rule that someone will try and impose on me--CycloneAlley (talk) 15:25, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
 * OK thanks, I've done a fair bit on the 2004-05 season now - its about halfway done. As for it not being the Atlantic, who cares about hurricanes anyway?--CycloneAlley (talk) 14:40, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Re: Newsletter
Sorry I don't think I can do it. I am working on some other stuff right now.

I have a question. Have you guys ever tried using the contact address here to ask for the global cyclone tracks? 2000 and 2001  are there, and the website says that 2002 and 2003 were published. They probably have others by now.Potapych (talk) 14:52, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks For Good News
Hey, I'm very glad to hear Hurricane Lili passed GA. Thanks! TheNobleSith (talk) 04:07, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

2005-06 Australian region cyclone season
I plugged in numbers from the best track data. However, they seem to be really off for this year. This publication seemed pretty reliable for the next season, but it really disagrees with this one. For one thing, Larry's winds are lower, but it is more intense, and it includes Monica's pressure of 905 (which is much higher in the BT). Daryl is a category 3 here, whereas the wikipedia article says it was downgraded to a 2 in post-analysis. Which do you think is correct?Potapych (talk) 17:03, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I put that in Excel, and it looks about the same. The decimals are from converting from m/s. However, Larry and Monica are absent from that track, and BoM's other source of BT data gives no indication that Monica had a pressure of 905 or Larry at 915. That would give more credibility to the report, which has Larry as a Category 4 cyclone with a minimum pressure of 920. The other two pressures were operational, I think. Potapych (talk) 04:31, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The WMO document shows that Larry is 100 knots, although I don't know if its been updated since then. If that's the case, it should be a category 4, not 5. I don't trust those gusts figures since BoM gives all their best track data in 10-min winds. The problem is, the template used for individual storm articles does not support their scale with 10-min winds. There is one, since I converted it to knots and added to the small template.Potapych (talk) 06:02, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * BT doesn't quite match up with that report, since it says that Larry was a Category 5 cyclone twice. From reading it I think 940 hPa might be the official pressure since the measurements at landfall were pretty high, and Larry would have peaked just a few hours earlier. I think it looked much better than George ever did, which received a mind boggling 902 hPa in the BT.Potapych (talk) 19:42, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Few questions and responses.
I had a few things to mention, so I would like to ask: Hurricane Angel Saki (talk) 21:16, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) I know this is a bad question, given I fell short of getting Naomi FA, I've tried putting a PR for a picture (the Dennis 99 pic). Overall, the size seems to be an issue (I've uploaded a larger shot), but one user mentioned a "picture spam" that means FPs from cyclones aren't the flavo(u)r of the day. Any idea about what this was?
 * 2) I checked about the fact you mentioned for 1968 PHS. I'm going to log that this wasn't the first season that satellites were used for advisories. CPHC mentions that 66's Connie was tracked by satellite, and a 69 document (forgot if it was JTWC or FWC) says that observations started in 1962.
 * 3) I'm just baffled about Simone now. Was it a Central America landfall? I know it struck Guatemala, but the Alma discussion (amazing storm) says it (meaning Alma) was, among other things, the first tropical storm to make landfall on Central America. Is Guatemala a Central American country? Did they miss Simone? What's going on?
 * The idea that Simone hit land is, actually, kind of odd. Evidence in favor of the landfall:
 * 07180 10/18/1968 M= 2 18 SNBR= 199 SIMONE     XING=1
 * 07185 10/18* 0   0   0    0*  0   0   0    0*  0   0   0    0*135 915  45    0*
 * 07190 10/19*138 918 45    0*143 922  45    0*147 926  35    0*  0   0   0    0*
 * Though you may already know this, the "XING=1" means landfalls. "1" means it hit land one time. Also, submit to approval, the tracks listed by FWC list that Simone hit Guatemala, moving overland at Escuintla. JTWC, however, had Simone making a "slice" near Guatemala, but never moving over land. But, there's a problem: NHC's best track and JTWC's coordinates are a match. In other words, this listing is basically saying two different things. The only alternative is the "reforming low" that prolonged Simone's life. Maybe it made landfall before an advisory was made, the low formed quickly offshore, and that advisory listed the offshore circulation instead of the landfall. This also explains the "XING=1". 68's map can be explained this way too: if we dropped the landfall from its track, that map matches JTWC.


 * In short, what a headache. Hurricane Angel Saki (talk) 23:33, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Effects of Hurricane Isabel in New York and New England citation concerns
I just reviewed Effects of Hurricane Isabel in New York and New England for sweeps and have passed it. However, when checking the citations for one of the last statements in the article, which states that Vermont had $100,000 in damage, there are six inline citations after it. If possible would you be able to condense this down and also fix the links used for the citation? When I viewed the citations it didn't list any amount of damages and it stated Arkansas in the upper right corner, so I'm assuming the links must have been switched/died. If you or another member of the WikiProject could fix it, I would appreciate it. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page. Happy editing! --Nehrams2020 (talk) 23:36, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Looks good, thanks for the quick fix. I'm almost done reviewing all of the meteorology articles, and the majority have been in such good shape, I've only had a few problems. Keep up the good work, and if I see any more issues I'll let you know. Also when I finish all of the articles, I'll leave a report on the project's talk page detailing the passes and which ones were delisted in case any members want to work on restoring them to their former glory. Happy editing! --Nehrams2020 (talk) 02:44, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Alma of 74 and Alma of 08: Coincidence?
 Alma of 08 was apparently able to kill 5 from a plane crash. A tropical storm named Alma being linked to a plain crashing in low latitude countries, both of which were unusual landfalls...and then threatening to cross over to the other basin...where have I heard this before? Is this just a coincidence? Hurricane Angel Saki (talk) 03:11, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

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Transcluding Template:hurricane disambig
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Joan97
I'm Leaving, keeping Arlene as the only account. I found out that I can start over with a new name and that is what I am doing. This is why i created Arlene87. --*****Joan97******Active Storms 19:28, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Hey Hink
Thanks for the PR comments. Yes, I will stop using strike marks. TheNobleSith (talk) 04:19, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Cyclone Bola
Good job on Cyclone Bola. A vast improvement on my stubbie stub. -- Alan Liefting ( talk ) - 02:53, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

You're an admin now, so I might as well ask:
I've mostly finished 1968, but because of a redirect page at the main article (1968 Pacific hurricane season), I can't move the page without a history merge. Can you help me out here? And sorry about the lack of quality on the page. It's just nasty looking, but I've mentally about given up trying to fix it, so I laid the fretwork and will likely apply for help with it. It definently needs a copyedit, but I can't keep it in my sandbox forever, especially now that it has all storms accounted for. And also, I was going to do this as a BOGO with 1968, but now I must wait on 68, so here's the other half of the BOGO. Hurricane Angel Saki (talk) 07:57, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

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1999 North Indian Ocean season
Can you split this article off when it has all the storms listed? Right now I still can't find out what they were, how strong they were, where they were, or how intense they were, but I know there were 8 storms (including depressions). I don't think they had different categories for cyclonic storms before this season because I've seen a diagram from 1998 that had a much smaller set. I don't think I can adapt the template for that, so I am going to suggest using JTWC for all seasons before 1999, and RSMC data for 1999-present.

I tried using JMA's best track for the 1999 west pacific season. It got too confusing so I switched it back to JTWC. So 2000-present for those articles uses RSMC data.Potapych (talk) 17:51, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Aloha from Maui!
I don't remember dying but I've found heaven. It's pretty much Paradise out here. Low 80's; constant, gentle breeze; white sand beach, crashing waves and a luxury oceanview villa...with wi-fi. How are things back on the eastern seaboard? Hot, I understand. How's life on the project? -- Hurricane ERIC - Class of '08: XVII Maius MMVIII 20:23, 9 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks, unfortunately I leave late tomorrow to spend the night on airplanes. I could stay here forever. That pic is actually the beach at the resort I'm staying in. I'm sitting on the porch of my villa looking out at Kapalua Bay. The water is a deep, royal blue and the mountains of Molokai can be seen ascending into the clouds. This really must be one of the most beautiful places on Earth. Sigh...all good things must end. It's going to be a crazy summer for me. I got orientation at the University of South Alabama not long after I get home. Then I turn around and head to my condo on Saint Simons Island for 3-4 weeks. You probably won't see much of me in the way of helpful editing until mid-July. I officialy move HQ to Mobile, Alabama August 16. I'm gonna try to squeeze Atlantic Hall of Fame voting in between my return and orientation but don't bet money on it. It might be better for me to move it to July. I intend to see out the completion of the WikiCane Database (section for each storm through 1890), at which point I may effectively retire. But that's a long way off. For now, I'll just enjoy the view. Hold down the fort for me. -- Hurricane ERIC - Class of '08: XVII Maius MMVIII 03:30, 11 June 2008 (UTC)


 * It will be in July, I've now decided. I think the Atlantic will garner more interest. As for the database, be careful; a section for every storm from 1851-1879 sounds like a lot of white space to me. I imagine I'll be around in some fashion after the completion of the historical database, but my activity will be mostly what I'm doing right now; low-key and largely commentary on the tropical goings-on and the state of the hurricane articles. But that's a long way away, we'll see what happens. Roger Clemens retired three times before a grand jury (and general sculduggery) finally intervened. -- Hurricane <b style="color:#3333FF;">ERIC</b> - Class of '08: XVII Maius MMVIII 04:29, 14 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Whose birthday? July is a little late for mine; I just celebrated it on Maui (19) and it was indeed a wonderful trip. I was as close to the proverbial paradise as you could be (you know, wonderous white sand beaches all to yourself). It was absolutely incredible. Every one of the two million or so residents of the islands is blessed to call that place home. Nice job with 1851. Good move leaving the infoboxes out for the shorter sections. That does wonders for the white space problem and you virtually don't notice their absence. You've always been a fantastic researcher. I thought I was hot shit when I started doing this. You knocked me down a few notches. (removes hat) -- Hurricane <b style="color:#3333FF;">ERIC</b> - Class of '08: XVII Maius MMVIII 05:46, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

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Feature Article Candidate Roman Catholic Church
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 * The nomination of the above article was archived by the Featured Articles Director, with the comment that the page had again grown too long. He has asked that all remaining objectors produce a list of their specific problems with the article in its current form. These will then be addressed by the article's editorial team before re-presentation for FA status.
 * Can you therefore please post a complete list of any specific remaining objections you may have on the article's talk page at: Talk:Roman_Catholic_Church. If possible can we have this list in by the end of June, so that editors can begin to address them all in detail in July. To prevent the  nomination again becoming over-long, we would ask that you raise ALL of your remaining concerns at this stage, making your comments as specific and comprehensive as possible. It would help if all your comments were gathered under your name in a single heading on the page.  Thank you. Xandar (talk) 01:54, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

GA nomination of Hurricane Kyle (2002)
Your good article nomination for the article Hurricane Kyle (2002) has passed, see my review noting my passage of the article. Good job with it! Hello32020 (talk) 21:59, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Tornado Tables
Ah, my bad. I always forget to put my sources, even though I only have two. The NCDC, and SPC are the two places where I get info from as they're the most reliable. Sorry for the trouble. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 00:29, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Not a problem, better to get it done right away than let it sit and cause a problem. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 00:49, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm planning to work on the earlier years tomorrow. I've got a lot of work to do on the List of US tornadoes of 2007 article. I'm aiming to get May 1-10 done tonight. If I have time, I'll work on the 1990-1994 seasons. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 00:55, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Haha, that would be something. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 01:14, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

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1990 Plainfield tornado
I accidentally inserted a typo when I originally attempted to move Plainfield Tornado to the present location of 1990 Plainfield tornado. Can you kindly remove the 1999 Plainfield tornado redirect page? Thanks in advance, and I apologize for the minor error during my brief execution of the task! CVW (Talk) 01:25, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Can you please see this?
Can you please see this article? Here Thanks --Arlene87 | Talk to Me | Active Storms:: TS Fengshen 16:31, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

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categorization
Actually, that's something I've been wanting to do for a while. I was thinking about it, and the best way to deal with that is by using a Task force-like scheme that doesn't do anything but separates the WikiProject's assessments into separate categories. Something like having a Storm task force, a Season task force, a Tropical meteorology task force, and other stuff. That way, we also get separate assessment tables for all the subcategories, without too much hassle.

Template- and category-wise, it's not hard, but I would want to get more opinions on the idea, and ideally merge back Hurricane/Temp into Hurricane before we start on this. Tito xd (?!? - cool stuff) 05:51, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, while we're on the topic of massive changes to the banner: I'm not sure if you've seen how Hurricane/Temp works, but if we use it, it has a bit of programming built into it: If you assess an article as B-Class, it will ask you to also pass a bunch of parameters (<tt>|b1=yes</tt>, <tt>|b2=yes</tt>, <tt>|b3=yes</tt>, <tt>|b4=yes</tt>, <tt>|b5=yes</tt>, and <tt>|b6=yes</tt>) to the template. Each one of those represents an assessor's estimate of whether the article meets the B-Class criteria. If the article does not have all of those parameters, or if any of those parameters is answered with "no", the template will automatically reassess the article as C-Class. So, replacing the Hurricane banner with Hurricane/Temp would automatically reassess all of our B-Class articles as C's for the time being, so I'm a bit leery of just deploying it outright. What do you think? If we're going to be recategorizing articles, we might as well deploy both changes at the same time... Tito xd (?!? - cool stuff) 17:48, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Messed up redirects
Since you are an admin, you should be able to fix this. 1978-79 Southern Hemisphere tropical cyclone season redirects to Pre-1970 Southern Hemisphere tropical cyclone seasons. However, there are other pages incorrectly redirected there. I cannot move any articles or find how many are like this.Potapych (talk) 13:47, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

ACE calcs
Hi. I noticed that some Atlantic hurricane articles are missing their ACE calcs. Should I add them? Or is there some reason that has been discussed upon that they shouldn't be there? I think it's important for every hurricane season article, where availible and where there is already substantial information, to have an ACE. Should the source link to the talkpage ACE calcs, if there is one, or should it link to the NOAA lwf source? 2005 Atl, in particular, is missing its ACE and really should have one. Others are missing their ACE totals, which are easier to tabulate. Should this be added? What about for East Pacific and other basins? Thanks. ~ A H  1 (TCU) 14:41, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Meteorological history of Hurricane Dean
Before I risk embarrassing myself with an official assessment of Meteorological history of Hurricane Dean would you mind looking it over and giving me some pointers? I think that I have addressed its major problems, but I am still very new at this. For example I am not sure how to handle times. Right now I am using UTC for everything, but superseding that with local time (and relegating UTC to a set of brackets) when the storm comes close to land. Is this appropriate? <font color="#0080FF">Plasticup  <font color="#2A8E82">T /<font color="#2A8E82"> C 19:57, 1 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the help. I have made quite a few changes (as per your advice, Titoxd's advice and some thoughts of my very own), and have put it up for Peer Review. (Here is the link if you are interested). <font color="#0080FF">Plasticup  <font color="#2A8E82">T /<font color="#2A8E82"> C 21:22, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

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Cyclone Sidr Damage Source
I wasn't sure where to put it but it's there. It's the same link as #5, for the International funds. That's the site if you need to look over it incase you don't see it. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 17:54, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Please see here!
Please see this --Arlene87 | Talk to Me | Arlene87 is now Elena85 14:14, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Color templates for article classes fixed
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Hall of Fame Week, 2008
As All Star Week kicks off in the Big Apple, Hall of Fame Week kicks off down here in the tropics. We start with the 2008 Atlantic Historical Electorate for pre-1875 storms, followed by the election of the Inaugural Class in the Western Pacific, all leading up to the announcement of the 2008 Atlantic nominees and the start of balloting. Those nominees have been chosen and are waiting for July 15, which is shaping up to be truly an All-Star day in more ways than one. First off, the golden oldies; the storms from the first half of the 19th Century with the Historical Electorate, much like the Veterans Committee for baseball. This year's Electorate shaping up to be the tightest in history. Just you and me for this one, Hink. Three will go in, pick your top 5:


 * 1804 Atlantic Coast Hurricane - raked the US eastern seaboard as a powerful hurricane, killing 500.
 * First Dominica Hurricane of 1806 - devastated the island of Dominica, killing 457 people. Later caused heavy damage in Mississippi.
 * Bay St. Louis Hurricane of 1819 - one of the most devastating storms to strike the US in the first half of the 19th Century, the Bay St. Louis storm left the Mississippi Gulf Coast in shambles and as many as 175 people were killed.
 * 1825 Santa Ana Hurricane - the highlight of the 2008 Electorate, the Santa Ana storm was one of the most destructive hurricanes ever to strike Puerto Rico. It left behind immense destruction and 1,300 people dead.
 * 1834 Ozama River Hurricane - left Dominica in ruins with 230 killed and also caused great carnage in the Dominican Republic, trapping sailor anchored in the Ozama River in a horrendous flood that killed 170 of them.
 * 1837 Racer's Storm - very destructive hurricane that raked the American Gulf Coast and the Carolinas, killing 105.
 * 1866 Bahamas Hurricane - caused heavy damage in the Bahamas. Sank SS Evening Star, killing 250 aboard. 137 others were killed in the islands.
 * 1867 San Narcisco Hurricane - killed 811 people in floods on Hispaniola.
 * 1869 Saxby Gale - caused heavy damage across New England and killed over 100 people.
 * Great Nova Scotia Cyclone of 1873 - wreaked havoc on the Grand Banks, killing 500 sailors and fisherman. Also one of the worst hurricanes in Canada's history, killing another 100 in floods on Newfoundland.

-- Hurricane <b style="color:#3333FF;">ERIC</b> - Class of '08: XVII Maius MMVIII 22:34, 13 July 2008 (UTC)


 * You there, man? I posted this two days ago? -- Hurricane <b style="color:#3333FF;">ERIC</b> - Class of '08: XVII Maius MMVIII 18:19, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Ah ha! Showtime! The votes from the big city are in. 1 - Santa Ana, 2 - San Narcisco, 3 - Bay St. Louis, 4 - Nova Scotia, 5 - Saxby's Gale. Hmm, we have a consensus on four: Santa Ana, San Narcisco, Bay St. Louis and Saxby. Who's out? This is where it gets tough. -- Hurricane <b style="color:#3333FF;">ERIC</b> - Class of '08: XVII Maius MMVIII 20:56, 17 July 2008 (UTC)


 * No, no; you misunderstood me. Nova Scotia and Racer's Storm are already out for this year. Which one of the remaining four does not get in? Is it Santa Ana (I will kill you if you vote off this one), San Narcisco, Bay St. Louis or Saxby? -- Hurricane <b style="color:#3333FF;">ERIC</b> - Class of '08: XVII Maius MMVIII 02:46, 18 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Except for leaving hundreds of people dead and the vast majority of the Mississippi Gulf Coast in ruins. But then again, Saxby, in addition to signaling a revolution in storm forecasting, kicked the shit out of New England. I told you it would get tricky! 2008 all-round, stands to be a really exciting, competetive year. Some very deserving storms are going to get shafted to 2009 or later. Have you read between the lines in my first post yet(*clears throat*)? Not all is plain to see. -- Hurricane <b style="color:#3333FF;">ERIC</b> - Class of '08: XVII Maius MMVIII 03:23, 18 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay, you win; Saxby's in. Before we start throwing out names for the Western Pacific, you are not going to believe what I just read. From page 10 of the 1919 Monthly Weather Review: "Wilhelm Krebs...makes mention of two still lower barometer readings, both in the Eastern Hemisphere: At Vohemare, on the coastal lowland of northeastern Madagascar on February 3, 1899, 24.76 inches..." Um...typo? Shotty instrument? I certainly hope so, because 24.76 makes Tip (25.70) look like chicken shit. That's 838.5 millibars my friend. And even if it is off (surely, God), it would have to be 31 and a half millibars off for Tip to even share the throne (which I'm not sure he still owns anyway). Mistake or not, that was one helluva storm that slammed into Madagascar 109 years ago. I honestly don't know what to make of that, I really don't. -- Hurricane <b style="color:#3333FF;">ERIC</b> - Class of '08: XVII Maius MMVIII 22:01, 18 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Some other storm that was like in the 880s, look it up. They were listing storms that had pressure's lower than the 929 reading of 1919 Gulf of Mexico Hurricane (a Hall of Famer, listed in the reanalysis at 927). However, that reading would have to be over 60 mb off to even be out of the 800s. Oh, and you asked about my less than obvious message and I left you hangin'. Where would the experts keep a list of every known ATL storm, each numbered from the oldest to the most recent? It's a good code if I can get you on the same page without spilling the beans (which doesn't really matter but it's fun anyway). The tropical cyclones of the West Pacific offer some of the most incredible displays of nature's raw power. Time to start throwing out names for enshrinement. Ten of them, duh! storms first and possibly only. -- Hurricane <b style="color:#3333FF;">ERIC</b> - Class of '08: XVII Maius MMVIII 07:22, 19 July 2008 (UTC)


 * You still tied down up there champ? -- Hurricane <b style="color:#3333FF;">ERIC</b> - Class of '08: XVII Maius MMVIII 18:01, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Ah, time to select the greatest of the greatest from the greatest basin on the planet. The supreme of the supreme. Vera, Nina I, Tip, Ike, Nina II, Mikey, Thelma, Ang, Herb, Babs. Ha! Beat that lineup, hot shot! This is leaving out '89's Gay (cede to Indian Ocean), Tropical Storm Harriet in 1962 that killed 1,000 people, Karen (same year), Joan and Kate from 1970 that killed a combined 1,683 people, Lee's satanic Christmas celebration in '81, Zeb's $1.1 billion and 100 dead, this sexy couple right here and God knows how many more. Yes, the Western Pacific is the greatest, most awe-inspiring display of nature's raw power...period. Many (including myself) are of the belief that Hurricane Camille had sustained surface winds higher than 190 mph. Flight level winds were at times in excess of 210 mph. I list 170 knots (195 mph) in my archives. I also have little doubt that more than one Pacific typhoon had winds at least that strong. Believe it or not, Earth has some of the strongest surface winds in the solar system (318 mph record). Discounting the 900 knot winds in some of the gas giants, Venus gets it up there pretty good but other than that, everybody else as I understand it is pretty dead. -- Hurricane <b style="color:#3333FF;">ERIC</b> - Class of '08: XVII Maius MMVIII 19:27, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


 * This is the inaugural in the Western Pacific! We need more than five. I say ten go in this year and five in all succeeding years. I still think I came up with a pretty impressive list. I'm not looking just for Hall of Famers, but the Galvestons, Andrews and Katrinas...the ones that are virtually automatic and I think you left a lot of storms out going mainly with recent storms. -- Hurricane <b style="color:#3333FF;">ERIC</b> - Class of '08: XVII Maius MMVIII 20:00, 23 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I thought you and I would pick the inaugural class for the West Pacific this year. It seems four are already in: Vera, Nina I, Tip and Ike. Maemi makes a good case but I don't think it should be in the inaugural. After the inaugural class, I imagine conditions for automatic induction should be set. For the Atlantic, its at least 2,500 deaths and/or $6 billion in damage (inflation included). For the West Pacific, I think the cost limit should be lowered and the death limit should be raised a little. Thoughts? I'll be flying to Boston for a few days tomorrow, so I'd like to get the West Pacific out of the way here pretty soon. Then I'll announce the Atlantic nominees next week. -- Hurricane <b style="color:#3333FF;">ERIC</b> - Class of '08: XVII Maius MMVIII 18:10, 26 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm back, Hink. You still with me? I promise I'll announce the Atlantic nominees after we get done with the West Pacific. I'd really like to get this out of the way, because I gotta let the Atlantic ballots soak for a week. When I get the Atlantic ballots out, I'll actually start being more than just dead weight commentary on the Project. On that note, there needs to be a better system of communication between project members. I spent three weeks working on a storms section for one of the early season, only to find that someone else had done it before I got a chance to post it. We need to announce who's doing what so things like that don't happen. -- Hurricane <b style="color:#3333FF;">ERIC</b> - Class of '08: XVII Maius MMVIII 19:05, 30 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Come on, Hink. I'm starting to get frustrated here. It's been five days now and you've been editing the whole time (yes I looked at the contributions page). This was supposed to be just a fun little thing to fill up a week. Now here we are, two weeks later and I haven't even gotten to the Atlantic yet. Every post I make takes several days to get a response back. Used to be you'd respond almost within minutes. What's going on? Whatever it is doesn't seem to keep you from your usual business on the Project. Hell, you could shoot me an "I'm busy," at least it'd be something. I'm getting to the point where I'm thinking about just saying "f*** it" and going back to doing it the way I used to do it...by myself. This is just a little fun. And with my most recent unanswered post, I was actually trying to discuss business on the Project. If you don't care then fine, tell me you don't care, but don't leave me hanging for days on end wondering what the hell is going on. It's August now, and I have less than three weeks before I pack up and leave for college. God only knows how much longer we'll be able to do stuff like this. -- Hurricane <b style="color:#3333FF;">ERIC</b> - Class of '08: XVII Maius MMVIII 04:34, 1 August 2008 (UTC)


 * God growing up sucks. I've always tried to cherish my summers. I don't work and my God no summer classes that aren't absolutely nessesary. I don't want to work just for the sake of earning money. I want to do something that doesn't feel like work and still lets me enjoy living. I realize that when I do decide to start working that I will never have carefree summers like this again. It's now that you come to appreciate the relative freedom of being a kid. How old are you, man? Maybe I thought you were younger than you actually are. A friggin' junior in college? About the Project stuff, I was working on the whole storms section in a Word document (I've actually gotten my work erased working in the edit page) and would cut and paste it when I was done. I strongly believe there needs to be a page for people to announce what they're working on and encouragment that they use it, because I felt like I'd just wasted a couple weeks. I could've spent them working on another article (I call 1909, by the way ;). If you care, here are the Atlantic nominees for 2008. I think this might be the best class since the 2004 inaugural. Come on, Hink, the first August weekend bearing down on us, humor me one last time...for old times' sake. -- Hurricane <b style="color:#3333FF;">ERIC</b> - Class of '08: XVII Maius MMVIII 20:20, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

(*pumps fist*...Yesss!) OK, New Orleans is in (agreed by the way on learning from the past), as is Joan. This year is just killing me. I really think all of them eventually should be in, but I'm only taking five for 2008. I think I confused the hell out of you with the Historical Electorate and now I wish I'd kept it to myself. With that one, I wanted a smaller class because the field is almost a century smaller, so I only took three. With the standard class, I'm taking the usual five. Sorry about that, I apologize. As usual we agree pretty well. However, I left Bret off for this reason: Bret was mostly a human catastrophe. The damage figures are only $37 million with inflation (location has a lot to do with that but 37 mil is still very low) and 174 dead won't let me overlook that. The 1926 storm caused over $100 million in uninflated damage in addition to over 600 fatalities. As for my other votes, I just can't ignore the 921 death figure for the 1888 storm. This last spot was where I was ready to shoot myself, but for me, Hilda just edges out the others. In addition to the 304 fatalities, it caused nearly a billion dollars in inflated damage in countries where building costs are much lower than in the US, which means it had to destroy more to get that number up there.

-- Hurricane <b style="color:#3333FF;">ERIC</b> - Class of '08: XVII Maius MMVIII 05:14, 2 August 2008 (UTC)


 * From Atlanta, I present the Hall of Fame Class of 2008:
 * Straits of Florida Hurricane of 1888
 * New Orleans Hurricane of 1915
 * La Habana Hurricane of 1926
 * Hurricane Hilda (1955)
 * Hurricane Joan - 1988


 * Thanks for 951 days and three HHOF Classes. I can't say I expected it to go on for three years when I first mentioned it to you in January of '06 but it's been fun. I'll now pass it on to some of my colleagues in the Coastal Weather Research Center down in Mobile, Alabama. I do think it is a nice way to spotlight some of history's worst storms to the casual browser and adds a some color and fun to an otherwise grim subject. --- Hurricane <b style="color:#3333FF;">ERIC</b> - Class of '08: XVII Maius MMVIII 06:26, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Infobox Hurricane
I was about to fix this template, but then I noticed it was protected and can only be edited by administrators. There are a few issues with it. First, for the Australian region, it only accepts wind gusts. BoM's best tracks use mean winds, and the gusts they mention in their reports must be operational. In the article for Cyclone Vance, the template keeps trying to say it was a Category 4 storm, and I already fixed that problem on IHS. Second, the scale for Australian region using gusts was a little off under IHS, so I assume this template has the same issue. The values should be taken directly from BoM, and not an unofficial source. Third, I think it should support the nomenclature used by Reunion and Fiji since the other basins are supported.

Maybe I can paste the code somewhere in my userspace and you can c&p it over to the template.Potapych (talk) 02:44, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * That shouldn't be needed; I bumped the protection down to semi. Tito xd (?!? - cool stuff) 05:37, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Category sort
I have made a small change on your userpage ,so that the category is sorted properly instead of "U" for "User:". Hope you won't mind. :) -- <em style="font-family:Kristen ITC;color:#ff0000"> Tinu  <em style="font-family:Kristen ITC;color:#ff0000">Cherian  - 07:49, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Wikiwork
The site was updated, but uses numbers different from ours, in case you hadn't seen. Tito xd (?!? - cool stuff) 18:27, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Meteorological history of Hurricane Jeanne
Have you considered putting this up for FAC? Looks like a shoo-in for sure. <font color="#0080FF">Plasticup  <font color="#2A8E82">T /<font color="#2A8E82"> C 19:15, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

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Pacific hurricane season maps
I uploaded a bunch of NHC maps in the correct place. There are some local copies using Blue Marble maps which prevent them from being displayed. Some of them might be used in pages already, so I don't want to upload on top of them (which is the only thing I can do). If I did that, the local copies would probably get deleted, so if you want to keep them, you need to rename them. I would suggest giving them names like the other Blue Marble-based maps. There are also jpg versions there, so you might want to just delete the old ones? Anyway, this needs someone with admin tools to handle this.Potapych (talk) 15:16, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I've mentioned this about five times and no one's responded.Potapych (talk) 16:37, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The problem is that images can't be moved. We have to reupload the problematic blue marble maps on a different location, and then delete the older copies so the commons pics show through. Tito xd (?!? - cool stuff) 20:20, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The message that comes up on the pictures links to this Guide about image renaming. Maybe a bot is supposed to do it. However, it says an admin still has to tag it. I'll add the tags, but I don't think it will actually do anything.Potapych (talk) 21:07, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * No, apparently you have to be registered to use the tool, but what I did is that I reverted you, then immediately reverted the reversion to try to fool the bot into thinking that the request comes from an admin. Let's see if that works. Tito xd (?!? - cool stuff) 21:31, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Typhoon Kalmaegi (2008) damage total
Done. Sorry I forgot about that for so long. Juliancolton <sup style="color:#666660;">Tropical <sup style="color:#666660;">Cyclone  13:00, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Blocking Us without Having Evidence
Hey dear Hurricanehink-can you please represent your reason for indefinite blocking of Barbara1888 (my fourth partners' identity)? My partners identities got put into "indefinite blocks" for so called "sockpuppetry" and for prejudice reasons. How DARE these things happen! Because as editors of Wikipedia and proud readers we wouldn't condradict the entries of Wikipedia articles! We insert only whatever is necessary or what could be preliminary! Please give us guidance, urgent helping and serious words about editing Wikipedia, how to unblock our editing accounts and avoid getting unfairly blocked in the first place. Vandalism and sockpuppetry are not our thing-somehow all of us get accused of those things without evidence or urgent reasons! We have 37000 interesting topics we read under Wikipedia. Please help us!

Standingout (talk) 03:35, 4 August 2008 (UTC) User_talk:Hurricanehink

Personal Guidance
Alright. But meteorology is not only what interests-other things like feet, political matters, cities in the Northeast and Great Lakes Region area, Libertarian Party, Independent Party, babies, toes and years are the other things I am obsessed with. There are 37000 thousand subjects I am highly obsessed and interested by.

The reasons for undergoing these names were for disguise in covert operations rather than vandalism and sockpuppetry (which don't sit well). I am intending on using edits of heart and compassion. And my real identity stinks-that is the very other type of reason for using different usernames.

The computer I've got has gotten put on spot for death threats, hate and teasings. I cannot afford getting intimidated under other users on this computer so please! Do you understand? Please have heart.

Standingout (talk) 04:37, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Personal Guidance
Alright. But meteorology is not only what interests-other things like feet, political matters, cities in the Northeast and Great Lakes Region area, Libertarian Party, Independent Party, babies, toes and years are the other things I am obsessed with. There are 37000 thousand subjects I am highly obsessed and interested by.

The reasons for undergoing these names were for disguise in covert operations rather than vandalism and sockpuppetry (which don't sit well). I am intending on using edits of heart and compassion. And my real identity stinks-that is the very other type of reason for using different usernames.

The computer I've got has gotten put on spot for death threats, hate and teasings. I cannot afford getting intimidated under other users on this computer so please! Do you understand? Please have heart.

Standingout (talk) 04:37, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Standingout (talk) 05:18, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: Barbara
Good call. I was a tad suspicious up until the point when he/she told me the usernames of her "friends". All very similiar. Good block. Have you got the drought article watchlisted? Maybe you should revert their edits to see if they add it again. Sure-fire trap. Take care! <font color="black" face="tahoma">Scarian Call me Pat!  10:50, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

List of Texas hurricanes
I'll work on it tonight to pass some time before the Olympics start. I planned on just going though 1999 and then having one for 2000 to present. As for the main article, I never planned on doing one. - CWY2190    ( talk  •  contributions )  00:59, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Off-season Atlantic storms
Is it 36 (Portal hook) or 37 (DYK hook) after all? Tito xd (?!? - cool stuff) 05:40, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Tropical Storm Halong (2008)
Is there a reason Halong's article name is not "Severe Tropical Storm Halong (2008)"? WestPac's international standards call for storms 48-63 knots to be called STSs. Can you point me to the project guidelines or discussions? HkCaGu (talk) 09:23, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Reason I ask...someone has created another Halong article with the word "Severe". HkCaGu (talk) 09:24, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Hurricane Hernan
I was the one that created the link for Hernan. I was thinking it is an 120 mph major hurricane, it deserves a link. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marmon55 (talk • contribs) 15:54, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

I don't think it needs to be merged and it looks like it is going to stay to strongest. At least a part of it is ok. Look and there is one in 2007 (Erick) in the same stage as Hernan.

Whats you rating on Hernan and has it improved? I doing this to find out the rating any questions let me now on my talk page User talk:Yellow Evan--Yellow Evan (talk) 15:23, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

I changing it pretty quickly. I am noticing many errors. Do you think the third paragraph is ok? Check it out.--Yellow Evan (talk) 15:38, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

I was finding a reference on weather.com and do you think an article for 1990's Hernan is needed?--Yellow Evan (talk) 17:18, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

I already uploaded the reference and am a great at copy and pasting. Also there is an image problem. Messages are on the storms talk page --Yellow Evan (talk) 18:44, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

This message existed while I was in the middle of editing Hernan. I read the message and i do not even have a sandbox for 1990's Hernan. The Replacement article will be Hurricane Brigit (1971). I even read the orrigal message and John is a FA. Julinet is longer than Hernan. Dealting the reference is ok with me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yellow Evan (talk • contribs) 18:59, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, for the mistake and there IS an image problem. Check to todo section of the talk page page. I am NOT doing an page for 1990's Hernan.--Yellow Evan (talk) 19:20, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

I do need help.--Yellow Evan (talk) 02:20, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Atlantic season articles.
Why is the link to the list of storms continually removed from the lead section in 2002 Atlantic hurricane season? If the structure is based on the 2005, season, then the layout should be consistent. I personally prefer the list layout for the article, but giving it a prominent link in the article is a reasonable compromise. I don't think it should be any further down, and navigational boxes are acceptable in the lead according to the MOS.Potapych (talk) 15:35, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

southwest indian ocean basin
Do any of these numbers make sense (click on any of the storms)? Is the column labeled Intense in m/s?Potapych (talk) 00:43, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll test it out by using those as 10-min wind values. On the legend it looks like they had a different scale back then. I might be wrong about that.Potapych (talk) 02:30, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Some of them correspond to the numbers on the legend and some don't. The second one (A1) is given the number 2 (which is a depression at best), although 25 m/s would convert to about 48.6 knots, which is enough for a tropical storm (or number 3). However, MFR doesn't include depressions, do they? Last year they added number 15, which was subtropical, after the season ended. It's confusing, and I'm sure they meant to delete these pages. They are the only source for RSMC data that I can find, except for their published books.Potapych (talk) 03:04, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I compared them with the best tracks for Hudah and Eline from that WMO document, and they seem to be a bit to high. Do you think anyone here interpret this? I did start with Padgett's stuff, although his very first summary was published that season. He included just the JTWC data, which is easily available anyway.Potapych (talk) 03:34, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you think this source is any good? It doesn't have some of the depressions like the MFR site, though I can easily identify some of them from WMO documents. I wrote it off before when I noticed that it had Geralda's pressure at 890, when other sources had Gafilo's at 895 as a record.Potapych (talk) 15:22, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I decided to check it against another source. If you compare page 96 to this, it becomes easy to read their best track data. They also have tons of others here.Potapych (talk) 20:52, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: Edouard damage
The season impact table on the 2008 Atlantic hurricane season article says Edouard's estimated damage is $25 million. Either we remove the damage estimates from that table or we restore the damage total in Edouard's infobox. We cannot have contradictory information. ANDROS1337  00:20, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

2005 Azores subtropical storm‎
Featured article candidates/2005 Azores subtropical storm‎ - The article was promoted before you had a chance to reply to the fixes I made. Were they satisfactory or do you think the article still needs a little work? <font color="#0080FF">Plasticup  <font color="#2A8E82">T /<font color="#2A8E82"> C 10:43, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Category 5 Pacific hurricanes: Possble FT?
I was looking through our Cat 5 Pacific hurricanes articles upon seeing Gilma's GAN, and I realized: We aren't far off from an FT, save for Patsy. If we get both Gilma and Patsy to GA status, should we go for an FTN, or wait til we have one last FA? Hurricane Angel Saki (talk) 02:41, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) [[Image:Cscr-featured.svg|20px]]List of Category 5 Pacific hurricanes
 * 2) [[Image:Symbol c class.svg|20px]]Hurricane Patsy (1959)
 * 3) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]]1959 Mexico hurricane
 * 4) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]]Hurricane Ava (1973)
 * 5) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]]Hurricane Emilia (1994)
 * 6) ? Hurricane Gilma (1994)
 * 7) [[Image:Cscr-featured.svg|20px]]Hurricane John (1994)
 * 8) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]]Hurricane Guillermo (1997)
 * 9) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]]Hurricane Linda (1997)
 * 10) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]]Hurricane Elida (2002)
 * 11) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]]Hurricane Hernan (2002)
 * 12) [[Image:Cscr-featured.svg|20px]]Hurricane Kenna
 * 13) [[Image:Cscr-featured.svg|20px]]Hurricane Ioke
 * Sorry Hurricane Angel Saki, but Miss Madeline called dibs on a Cat. 5 Pacific hurricanes FT months ago. :P –Juliancolton <sup style="color:#666660;">Tropical <sup style="color:#666660;">Cyclone  12:58, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

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Secret Project: Questions
Hello again! I'm working on a project for the Wikiproject (single storm article) on my wordpad. However, I have a question. Unlike with 1968 PHS, this project is not on Wikipedia in a sandbox (and the page it should go on has a redirect). A copy-paste would not need history, seeing as it has no Wikipedia edit history. However, it also means that subsequent saves on the document will not show on Wikipedia. Should I keep it, then one-edit it in while overwriting the redirect? Or should I sandbox the current progress and work on it, asking you or another admin for a move? (and I'll just give you a hint to the article for now, in case someone else is doing it. A featured list you helped with contains it, noting it had no casualties) Hurricane Angel Saki (talk) 01:41, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * (Sorry to butt-in, but...) I would write it up in a sandbox and then have an admin move it over the redirect. If the redirect only has one edit then you could even move it yourself. <font color="#0080FF">Plasticup  <font color="#2A8E82">T /<font color="#2A8E82"> C 12:23, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * If it's only one person, than it doesn't matter. It can just be a copy and paste, as that would still adhere to the rules of the GFDL. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 15:59, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Images
Do you happen to know how to get pictures from the Jason satellites like the ones from 1986 PHS? --Elena85 | Talk to Me | 1000 ''edits!!!' 14:35, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Commons stuff
Hey Hink, 3 things for you.
 * 1) Check my reply at Commons:Deletion requests/Image:1992 Possible Spain Hurricane.JPG and my questions.
 * 2) Second, I'm starting a revamp of how the TC tracks are labelled - I'm going to work on revamping the template and comments at commons:User talk:Nilfanion/Tc would be handy.
 * 3) Third, I may well do a major Flickr scrape in the near future, identifying the usable TC images for as many storms as possible. I'll probably upload directly and point at a user space gallery on Commons when I'm done - some will be useful in WP articles. That's just a heads up, though an indication as to a priority order would be handy. I'm thinking US-impacting is low priority due to US Govt images; but which are more important in general Atlantic 'canes, typhoons or Aussie cycs?--Nilfanion (talk) 21:01, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The files on en you can just delete (G7 covers them nicely), it only gets tricky if someone else is using the image somewhere on their own user page.
 * Yeah, regarding #5 I plan to just lift the start and finish dates out of HURDAT. This means it will cover the full duration, not just the tropical portion, and is the easiest to implement. The problem I'm going to need additional opinions with is point #1 (the legend for the colours/shapes). If you check back over the weekend, I should have made something that 'works' by then.
 * No problem regarding "bias" or anything, its simply a matter of priority. There is more need for WPAC imagery than in the EPAC for example, so it makes sense to check out the WPAC first. That said, the first storm I will concentrate on is definitely going to be Nargis.--Nilfanion (talk) 08:19, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

I've got a basic layout to the template now. Sorting out the few odd outstanding points is trivial. However, I'd like feedback on the layout of the description section.--Nilfanion (talk) 22:37, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

1967 PHS
Do you think you can make a track map of TD Hillary,TD One, and TD 19 from 1967? They are all at this link --Elena85 | Talk to Me | 1000 ''edits!!!' 21:27, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 

Tropical Storm Julio (2008)
Hi, I am reviewing your article Tropical Storm Julio (2008) for GA and have put some comments on the talk page. In general, I think it is a very good article. &mdash; Mattisse (Talk) 20:26, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Redirection Question
What is the reason you redirected the template talk of 2008 Pacific typhoon season buttons??? I think we must maintain it as a separate talk page... And how come the template is for the Pacific typhoon season (in particular 2008 season) and you redirected it to a talk page about the Atlantic hurricane season??? I assert that one may have no valid reason to redirect this... -Pika ten10 (talk) 02:05, 31 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, pretty much all of the other button bars were redirected to the same place. The place where it was redirected to isn't much of the issue. It's to have just one talk page, as generally issues on the button bar will affect all buttons. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 02:16, 31 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, the button bar is for 2008 Pacific typhoon season, and not for others. In this case, each button bar for each season is separate from each other and, due to the preceding principle, changes in one button bar cannot necessarily affect all others. So, do you mean here changes in the button bar of 2004 Atlantic hurricane season will also affect others??? I'm sorry to say that, but I want each button bar to have its talk page independent of the others, as it looks proper [to me]. -Pika ten10 (talk) 02:32, 31 August 2008 (UTC)


 * How often would one have to talk about the button bar? The rules for it are very well-set; it is adjusted by whatever the NHC's advisories/TCR has it at. If there is talk to change a color, that particular issue wouldn't affect a single page, but rather all of the button bars. For the Pacific typhoon button bar, which was added this year, there was discussion, before its creation, on the season article talk page. I can't really think of an example when discussion would be needed that couldn't be held either of those two places. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 02:39, 31 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Then I think it is better if you redirected it to the talk page where that discussion of the creation of that template was held so that one who wants changes to the Pacific typhoon button bar will never be confused how that button bar started... Furthermore, it is not the National Hurricane Center which is the RSMC of Northwest Pacific, but the Japan Meteorological Agency, so this would mean it would be correct if we would have it there, as JMA and NHC have different basins and analyses for each storm... Is that alright??? -Pika ten10 (talk) 02:54, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Another redirection issue
Please see: Talk:Hurricane_Intensity_Index ... and the history of the associated article Hurricane_Intensity_Index ... there seemed to be content about a seprate classification scale prior to creating the redirect... reason given for redirect: "minimal content, and it is explained better in the article where it is being redirected" ... the reason for the redirect doesn't seem to add up as the Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Scale is not the same as the "hurricane intensity index" (which seems to have been created by Lakshmi Kantha, whom isn't mentioned in the article for the Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Scale) --Kuzetsa (talk) 04:22, 31 August 2008 (UTC)