User talk:Hyacinth/30 September 2006 - 15 December 2007

Wikipedia:WikiProject Pieces
I was wondering whether you would maybe consider retitling the above Project "Compositions". I note that the project is currently inactive and that there are not a lot of links to it that would need to be fixed. I also believe that the word "compositions", particularly as the name for a project under the "Music" heading, may well be less ambiguous than "Pieces" might be perceived as. My reason for asking is that I am currently in the process of creating a finalized draft of the WikiProject Council/Directory, and I would like to make as few changes to the "final" draft as possible. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 15:06, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Confusion
You seem to have made some contributions to the Chord progression page, as evidenced by the history and discussion pages. I am confused by a certain aspect of the page as posted at Talk:Chord progression. If you have any insights, could you reply? Thanks. --70.226.193.242 11:16, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Rite of Spring
I was trying to vectorize Image:Stravinsky, The Rite of Spring, Sacrificial Dance.PNG using LilyPond when I noticed that the second chord of the fourth bar of the bass part appears to contain both an E flat and a D# - that is, the same pitch. Is this intentional? Also, why all the funny rests in the first bar? Why can't we just have semiquaver-semiquaver-rest? &mdash;Wereon 22:45, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Backed with
Hi, I'm wondering why you created a redirect from Backed with to Black and white. "Backed with" is a term abbreviated by "b/w" to refer to the B-side of a 45 rpm disc. I notice that b/w also redirects straight to Black and white without the information about the "backed with" meaning of "b/w." Can we fix this? Badagnani 04:16, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Leitmotif Talk Page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Leitmotif#Removed

Please either provide a response in the talk page or an explanation in the wiki page.

Homophony is up as a FAC
Just thought that you might want to know, since you made some significant contributions to the article, that Homophony is now a candidate for FA status at Featured article candidates/Homophony (music). -- Ci e lomobile talk / contribs 01:31, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

do women have falsetto?
I've been so curious for so long I don't even care if its added to the article, but if someone could explain to me why some people think women don't have falsetto (but instead a whistle tone?). I'm male, and I have trouble imagining not being physically able to use falsetto. I also have read articles speaking of the break in women's voice, but the break in my voice is between my regular voice and falsetto. Hyacinth 23:50, 8 May 2004 (UTC)


 * Hello Hyacinth! There are conflicting views on the registers of the voice, how many there are, what they are even.  Mostly it is a matter of semantics however.  Personally, I adhere to the school of thought which asserts there are but 2 registers in a human voice (regardless of whether you are male or female): Chest register and falsetto/head register. To answer your question, I think the reason why some people don't think women have falsetto is because in most women it is never heard.  Since women go through a much less dramatic voice change at puberty the voice never splits apart into 2 registers and hence they are integrated from the beginning.  The registers themselves are created by the dominance of one muscle group over the other producing widely disparate tonal qualities.  This is only possible to a certain extent within a narrow range of pitches (a flat below middle C and lower for chest and approximately b to b' for falsetto - incidentally the pitch range is absolute and applies to men and women) otherwise both sets of muscles are present to produce an integrated tone. Of course, it is much more complicated than this and perhaps someone should start an article about vocal registers. Whistle tone refers to a tone quality produced in the extreme upper reaches of a womans voice (above e''').divadiane 03:23, 4 Jun 2004 (UTC)


 * Thanks, the assertion ("women have no falsetto") now definitely appears to be sexism. I should have known, as this came from an aural skills (ear training) teacher who sat the class according to gender (not, even, by voice). Hyacinth 01:15, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * Actually, women can't lyrically sing in the falsetto range as they do this in their head voice. The head voice is similar to male falsetto but more connected to chest and less hooty. Physiologically it is slightly different, something I will elaborate on further when I have good sources for it. In men the head voice is harder to obtain than falsetto because men have a set of lower fundamental tones - the sound is harder to connect to a head voice. Falsetto in women is however possible, it is called whistle register. I hope this answers your incredibly old question ;)--I&#39;ll bring the food 00:14, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Prehistoric music
If you take a glance at the history of the Prehistoric music page, you can see a great deal of editing done by a similar range of IP addresses to the "Origin of Music" section. The content of the edits seems to be the self-promotion of the theories of Bob Fink.

I have been in a dispute with this same user, and have been carefully examining his editing history (I compiled a list of IPs at User:Rainwarrior/Bob_Fink). He has alternately identified on talk pages as either Bob Fink himself, or his publisher C. Norton. He has added links to his website and material directly from his self published research all over wikipedia, and I think that this is a serious violation of wikipedia policies (COI? OR? AUTO? EL?). His editing seems to be a rather aggressive form of self promotion. (I took notice of his editing after asking a few questions at Talk:Musical acoustics, which is currently a messy place due to his lengthy and vitriolic response.)

I was wondering if you think administrative action would be appropriate here, or if you could at least offer comment to this user at prehistoric music or elsewhere? He has repeatedly refused to use a registered account, and given the variable IP address, leaving messages directly for him is not possible. He doesn't respond well to anything I have to say at this point. - Rainwarrior 08:11, 26 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Reply by Hyacinth at User talk:Rainwarrior.


 * I have repeatedly told him he is violating various policies at Talk:Musical acoustics, and more recently at Talk:Tonality and Talk:Divje Babe, and I know he was informed in the past about writing his own autobiography at Talk:Bob Fink. Largely it seems that he replies with a great volume of text and other party gets tired of the argument and backs down. I don't think he's been warned about blocking (at least, I haven't suggested it). The edit history and current content of Divje Babe are full of his OR, and the talk page has several protests, and this is probably the worst of it. When I suggested at Musical acoustics that there might be room for his theories on a page of their own and started Trio theory, to which he then complained about the title but refused to use another title which indicates his authorship (see Talk:Trio theory and or ), but he then created the strangely titled Origin of scales (which is not the specific title of anything he has written) as a redirect to that page (which I think is inappropriate, given how general the name is) which he has been wikilinking in "See also" sections throughout wikipedia. - Rainwarrior 22:17, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

addLoadEvent
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Breaks
Please revert your edit of Breaks: I have been back and forth about this issue and I cannot stress enough that "breaks" and "breakdown section" are two DIFFERENT things. Therefore, what you removed was not 'mentioned above' but was in fact the basis for the birth of hip hop music and also an essential element in understanding why a breakdown is NOT the same as a break, in addition you removed vital historical mention of DJ Cool Herc and Walter Gibbons as well as the reason why breakdown's are the birth of hip hop culture. It is very frustrating to take so much time to try over and over again to get helpful and vital information into an article and constantly have people operate on my writing with a chainsaw. thank you. --Tednor 19:48, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

If you will look at the talk pages you'll see the amount of talking that HAS been done about this matter. I honestly don't undertand your "paintbrush" and "firehouse" analogy, also I have not removed large chunks of anyone's contributions, rather I've tried to shape the flow of "Breakdown" as I was advised to do by another more experienced member, you may see all the relevant talk pages to support this. He told me to alaborate on breakdown section, which I did, then you came along and removed all I had written. At the end of the day, if my knowledge and ideas are not wanted, then so be it, but I thought it would be a constructive way to use some extra time I've had. Sorry if it is considered an annoyance.--Tednor 15:42, 19 December 2006 (UTC) I cannot make heads or tales of the "template" for web citations: here is the source for BOTH of the items you tagged: my attempt to put it in resulted in more confusion for me, I will try to read up on this if I get time:  .http://www.disco-disco.com/tributes/tom.shtml  In fact the entire site is a wealth of information so I hope you enjoy reading some of it.--Tednor 16:23, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Invitation.
Hello, I saw your edits to Cowboys Are Frequently, Secretly Fond of Each Other and would like to invite you to join WikiProject LGBT studies. We'd be delighted to have you on board! Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 23:17, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Will do. Thanks for your reply. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 23:24, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Vocable
I have added a "" template to the article Vocable, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, or, if you disagree with the notice, discuss the issues at its talk page. Removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, but the article may still be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached, or if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria. - Tragic Baboon (banana receptacle) 21:31, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

confusing conclusion
Hi there,

You tagged Conclusion as confusing because it had a confusing introduction. I have just attempted to de-confuse it. Perhaps you could see if it is confusing anylonger, i would do this myself, but it would be a conflict of interest.

Thanks, Grumpyyoungman01 10:39, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Nazi concentration camp badges
can you explain what is the means of "Plant 1988"? Martin 14:14, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Image:Iron_Man_riff.mp3
has been deleted, as it's an .mp3 file (one of the last few remaining on WP). You're welcome to reupload in .ogg format. Cheers, Kat Walsh (spill your mind?) 05:42, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Ah, looking at the rest of the list, Image:MOZART1.mp3, Image:MOZART2.mp3, and Image:Mozart-_Magic_Flute.mp3 also. Kat Walsh (spill your mind?) 05:48, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Post-Modern Art
I've picked up Post-modern art. I refuse to deal with screaming trolls - and Bus Stop is a screaming troll. He's successfully stalled the article and it is time that is put a stop to. As you can see from the discussion page, his tactic is to be vicious, run revert wars and threaten deletion - as well as spew crazed screeds and insults. He's long since passed the bounds of being able to be dealt with reasonably. Stirling Newberry 16:57, 19 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I think you are mischaracterizing our interaction on the Postmodern art article. How do you see anything I've said as "screaming?" Most of the shrill rhetoric is coming from you, including this complaint to another editor, on their Talk page. I have never encountered you elsewhere, and the normal and expected use for a Talk page is for civil discourse between editors -- even where disagreements exist. Try as I may, that sort of civil discourse has proved elusive. You've persisted in name calling, despite my asking you not to do so. "Troll" is, in the final analysis, just an insult, without well defined meaning. You are saying that I have been "vicious?" How so? Can you point to anything falling into that category that I've said to you? And, who has been insulting -- you or I? If you are going to make all of these accusations -- shouldn't you cite examples? It is common for editors to disagree over the substance of an article. But the challenge is to confine that disagreement to specifics concerning the article. In point of fact I at no point said anything of a derogatory nature about you, as a person. You are misconstruing our interaction, and I hope this editor goes to the relevant page and looks at the actual interaction being referred to. Bus stop 16:44, 21 March 2007 (UTC)


 * If you have anything to say to Stirling Newberry, say it on his talk page, not on mine. Hyacinth 05:37, 22 March 2007 (UTC)


 * User:Hyacinth -- The reason why I addressed this was because it was about me. Bus stop 12:42, 22 March 2007 (UTC)


 * That's irrelevant. If you have something to say to me about it, say it here, but if you're not talking to me don't write in my talk page. Hyacinth 04:17, 26 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I think I did say something to you about it. And please don't be nasty to me. I did not start this. Bus stop 04:40, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Tuplet
Could you please answer at a Talk:Tuplet --A4 23:47, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of List of atonal pieces
An article that you have been involved in editing, List of atonal pieces, has been listed by me for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/List of atonal pieces. Thank you. S.dedalus 00:15, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Re: List of compositions by Ludwig van Beethoven
Thought you might like to know: I submitted a Featured List Nomination for this list, of which you seem to be a major author. I did some tinkering around the edges (lead, references, section headers, etc.) first. Cheers! &mdash;Turangalila talk 00:43, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

melodic voice leading
Why isn't it redundant? What does "melodic" add; what's the context? Tony 22:17, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Spectral music
Your characterization ("it does not talk about spectral music..." etc. ) is untrue. The position of spectral music in US academia is not something "about spectral music" only in the sense that Haydn's employment by the Estehazys is not something "about" his music. Yet discussions of Haydn's music routinely refer to this fact. But as I said before (in the discussion which you also deleted, perhaps because it contains a defense of my position which you don't want readers to see), do whatever you want. MdArtLover 23:48, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

re:Green text
from my (ie Turangalila's) talk page: Perhaps you and User:Tony1 can help me figure out what's going on with User talk:Hyacinth? Why are some comments green? Who said those? Hyacinth 18:48, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, Tony does that to set off quotes and whatnot. It's the text in the wikisource that does it. If you don't like it you can remove that from the source, and maybe mention it to Tony. Mak (talk)  18:57, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

(addiing:) Yeah, I just happened to be on the page and notice everything was green...I'd seen something like it before: Tony apparently just forgot to close his tags, so I closed them. If you run into something like that again you can just find the tag [ ] (or [  ], etc) and put the closing tag [ ] at the end of the quote or paragraph or section. I'd assumed the green bits were quotes from your messages to him? Maybe I put the closing tags in the wrong place. Anyway, hope that helps. &mdash;Turangalila talk 03:39, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * of course what am I thinking, you know the markup crap, sorry. I actually used your table tutorial!  However on what the font color was supposed to symbolize you'll have to ask Tony...&mdash;Turangalila  talk 03:54, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Parlour music
Hi. Acording to the history, you created and edited most the aritcle for Parlour music. Would you be willing to go fix up what needs to be fixed? It seems to be not really notable - though Google does get a few hits, the author himself seems to have just published the one book, and his article is a one-line stub. If this is more than just some guy's ramblings, then it needs to be fixed...otherwise, I'm gonna have to AFD it. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ 16:15, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

FAC
If you're asking why this was not promoted, please inquire at User talk:Raul654. The bot just carries out decisions. Gimmetrow 00:30, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Image:A Hard Day's Night modal frame.PNG
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Ruth Anderson
In case you haven't noticed, Ruth Anderson has been proposed for deletion. NickelShoe (Talk) 12:56, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

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Re: breakdown quote
I originally removed the "hands in the air" quote because it says nothing about the musical characteristics of a breakdown, it just alludes to the way audiences may respond to one. A better quote from page 280 of the Brewster & Broughton book (which also mentions audience response but at least puts it in a clearer context): "A breakdown is when the rhythmic part of a track takes a rest ("breaks down"), leaving just the musical and vocal elements, and then builds up teasingly to a storming climax. It's the bit where you get to put your hands in the air." I was actually looking for someplace to add this earlier today, but the whole article is such a hopeless mess that I could hardly figure out where to put it.

By the way, since there are now three different musical definitions of the word "breakdown" (as used in reference to dance music, hardcore/metal and bluegrass) crammed into the article "Break (music)", I think a new article should be created for them in "Breakdown (music)" namespace. Does this sound acceptable to you? Please let me know. InnocuousPseudonym 00:08, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Swish
Dear Hyacinth,

Almost three years ago you created the swish article, complete with several citations. Unfortunately, five of these (Sonenschein, Tripp, Henry, Warren and Helmer) do not have their corresponding entries in the article bibliography. Would you be able to assist in finding these? &mdash;Leif Arne Storset 00:50, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Profanity as a personal attack
Please review my change. You were the one who made it a sub-point to begin with a few years back.  If it is undone, I'd like to speak with you more on the subject. –Gunslinger47 20:56, 25 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Profanity directed at another user is a personal attack, as is the defamation of personal pages and most of the list. Hyacinth 02:54, 26 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I gathered that was your stance, but I was looking more along the lines of links to a definition or consensus that backed up your view. The definition of a personal attack itself speaks specifically of ad hominem arguments.  WP:NPA further adds personal threats and epithets to the list.  However, profanity is mentioned in neither definition.
 * Logically, I can't follow it either. If you call an editor "dumb" in a non-fallacious manner, this is simply uncivil.  Calling an editor a "dumb shit" instead might be perceived as a higher level of rudeness and incivility, but I don't see how this qualifies as a personal attack under definition or policy.
 * Are you aware of any centralized discussion on this point that resulted in a consensus towards your viewpoint? –Gunslinger47 17:49, 26 June 2007 (UTC)


 * The only thing I know of supporting my edit is on No personal attacks: "Insulting or disparaging an editor is a personal attack regardless of the manner in which it is done." Hyacinth 02:58, 27 June 2007 (UTC)


 * That's an even more dangerous line, taken literally. Humanity has proven many times over that it can and will be insulted by anything and everything. :)  Insulting other editors (at least unintellionally) is unavoidable.
 * That was added earlier this year by User:Serpent's Choice. He explains himself at Wikipedia talk:No personal attacks/Archive 4.  I don't see any intention to make all insulting behaviour qualify under personal attacks.
 * I think I might try to make a minor change to sentance in a couple days, after we're done talking. –Gunslinger47 06:08, 27 June 2007 (UTC)


 * You're confusing offense with insult. Hyacinth 15:13, 27 June 2007 (UTC)


 * They are similar words, so much so that most dictionaries list them as synonyms. However, you are right that intent to offend is officially part of insult's definition, despite common misuse.  So, thankfully it is less broad than I had thought on my first reading of it. :)  –Gunslinger47 23:09, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Image:Drum_circle_lead_by_Eagle_Stone_of_the_Blackfeet_Naion..jpg
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Bob Fink block
You left me a message earlier today about blocking Bob Fink. I'm not sure what username or IP you might have blocked (and I don't really know how blocking works), but the user tends to edit without logging in with a dialup IP so there are many IPs that he may use (at one point I compiled a list of all the ones I found at Talk:Bob Fink). Other people on the same ISP might want to edit wikipedia at some point (there have only been one or two edits by these IPs not clearly attributable to Mr. Fink.

Anyhow, I think he basically gave up after a while. I have since tracked down as many of his spam links as I could and deleted them, and removed any objectionable (OR) content I could find. The only remaining issues I suppose are whether or not he has notability and his article Bob Fink should be nominated for deletion, and also a cleanup of Divje Babe, which is tricky since his own published articles on that subject are actually relevant (though not nearly as important as the article suggests in its present state).

I don't think blocking is necessary or appropriate at the moment, given that I haven't had any problems with him in months, and most of what was in dispute has been resolved and fixed (excepting Divje Babe), and also that he doesn't really use either of his user accounts (and the IPs might potentially be used by others). Thanks though for following up. - Rainwarrior 04:05, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

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Template:History by time period
Hi there. I've noticed this template in use on a few articles. I was wondering, would you might switching the date style to BC/AD (or if you're too busy letting me do that)? It's no huge deal, just that it looks a bit weird to have the article itself saying "BC/AD" and then your template at the top saying "BCE/CE". Cheers, John Smith&#39;s 16:35, 1 August 2007 (UTC)


 * His point was that the article already used BCE/CE. My point is that the article your template is used in ("Pre-Columbian") uses BC/AD. Doesn't it make sense for the template to fit in with the article(s) it's used in? John Smith&#39;s 22:13, 1 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't think there is any policy on wikipedia in relation to templates, but I think that it would make sense that the template follows articles and not vice-versa - especially given that the template almost always comes after the articles. After all it's a bit of a waste of time to change multiple articles when one template could be modified.
 * You probably know better than me which articles the template is being used on. Could you find out? John Smith&#39;s 23:00, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

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53 equal temperament
Was it you who added information about Turkish music to 53 equal temperament? If it was, I was wondering if you could provide a source for that information there? - Rainwarrior 04:22, 2 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Reply left at User talk:Rainwarrior.


 * Ahh, I didn't realize the history for the article was so short. I should have checked that myself. I was only guessing that it might have been you because I remembered you had put similar information into Holdrian comma. - Rainwarrior 04:25, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Do either of you know anything about this instrument? thumb|center|400px|A multi-keyboard instrument at the Musical Instrument Museum in Vienna
 * -- &#x2611; SamuelWantman 04:52, 3 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm not familiar with it, but why don't you ask at 53 equal temperament? - Rainwarrior 06:29, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

So you like questions...
Hiya Michail!

I've got a que(e)ry for you:

A week ago I did a major overhaul of the Heterosexism article to bring it back to what it actually (!) means. I hope you will enjoy it since I saw your much earlier concern of sticking to the definition. However, just recently, i.e. one week later, there's someone trying to completely change the article by injecting anti-gay statements that dismiss or deny facts and attenuate actual discrimination against LGBT people. Just check out from the history the last edit by unidentified User:67.52.5.194 and my last edit User:CJ Withers.

I'm not interested in an editing war, the more so in that was probably the ultimate goal of the edits. Besides, whoever gay-bashed the article did not identify themselves User talk:67.52.5.194.

Given your experience on Wikipedia, what do you suggest can be done? Whom should I contact? I'd greatly appreciate your help. CJ Withers 01:48, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

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FA Review of Charles Ives
Charles Ives has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. MrPrada 08:44, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Can you please help out with a Hiphop related article? I'm new at this and have been trying to build but people are hating on Hiphop. We need you please! If one person detest the deletion it will stop the non sense caused by these Hiphop Haters. Please go to Kulture News section to help in this matter.CoreyArthurs 22:05, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Sound Synthesis Theory
A new wikibook at [] has been started. It may interest you to edit / help out /expand, particularily on the sections that deal with music theory! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.153.219.246 (talk) 20:58, August 27, 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject: Modernist art
I thought you might be interested in a WikiProject proposal I just created. I would like to start a project devoted to improving Wikipedia pages relating to modern art in various mediums. Many these articles are often simply too under staffed; a specific project focusing on this category of articles will go a long way towards bring them up to Wikipedia standard. I hope you can help! --S.dedalus 00:42, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The proposal is now called Experimental art. (To clarify that it focuses on all mediums.) --S.dedalus 03:45, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Gertrude Stein
Hello, Hyacinth,

I'm just figuring out the wiki software, and I've learned how to use the history page to find other contributors. I wish to say hello and offer to discuss any changes to the Gertrude Stein entry that don't make sense to you or are inconsistent with wiki policies. I'm particularly iinterested in a discussion of the use of images, because the VanVechten images of Gertrude are all that appear on the main page, and I've linked to some other ones from the main entry. But it's clunky, and I think ephemeral. Linking to the art galleries where Gertrude's paintings wound up even raises a big question for me. For example, the Hermitage Museum in St. Petersburg, Russia has Gauguin's Sunflowers, but a jpg link to its image won't stick ... gives me pause on the other links that seem to hold. Also, there are some Man Ray photographs that are astoundingly accurate of Gertrude's personality that I'd like to use, but the Man Ray copyright is tenaciously guarded. I've put down some observations on the Gertrude Stein talk page. Any help you could supply, I'd really appreicate.

Thanks much,

Pinckney2007 16:57, 16 September 2007 (UTC)Pinckney2007

Little context in List of pieces which use collage
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TfD nomination of Template:Pieces-stringquartet-composer
Template:Pieces-stringquartet-composer has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. — JPG-GR 04:45, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

standard vs even temperment...............
iforeplay wrote: For years (as a small boy) I could hear a difference in musical scores. Well not so much a difference but an ERROR of sorts. I asked my music teachers and others (father played Violin) about this ERROR I was hearing, but of course I was imagining what ever I was hearing. IF a Piano is tuned in STANDARD temperment the instrument can only be played in the KEY it is tuned in.

EVEN TEMPERMENT is used in present day musical instruments so the "INSTRUMENT" can be played in ANY key at ANY time............

I like your section on temperment, VERY informative. The harpsichord I believe is tuned in standard temperment and has a much different TONAL Voice, even the keys are placed differently.

Again as a small boy I was studing sound not so much MUSIC as such. Air is a fluid just like water or liquid. How tones mix and Mis-match still facinates me. I compose my own music and can play ANY instrument it seems. I guess I just needed an outlet of sorts. I am 50 and still PLAY.........(as a boy in a sand box) anyways......nuf said.

forgive me if I did this wrong......... but you are about the only other person that has any depth on "TEMPERMENT" of musical instruments all say "what the hell you talking about" ....... sigh....... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Iforeplay (talk • contribs) 02:37, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:Pieces-instrumentation
Template:Pieces-instrumentation has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. ^demon[omg plz] 02:11, 13 November 2007 (UTC) 02:11, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Deletion of redirect
It appears you deleted Octave-repeating last May. I had created that page from a red link as a redirect. At creation, I wrote the edit summary: This obviously applies to WP:REDIR's description of "a redirect from a title for a topic more detailed than what is currently provided on the target page, or section of that page, hence something which can and should be expanded". It therefore appears you did not follow WP:REDIRECT #8. Since none of Criteria for speedy deletion apply, it seems the page was deleted "out of process" (per Deletion policy), and it should be undeleted. However, since I don't have any experience with undeleting pages yet, I want to ask you first why you deleted it. &mdash; Sebastian 22:55, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) REDIRECT Musical scale - it would be nice to change this page to a stub about several scale types)


 * If you wish to create a stub at octave-repeating scale feel free to do so. Though you are free to create a stub at "octave-repeating" that is not an appropriate article title as it does not indicate the topic.
 * I thank you for inquiring about my actions and their relationship to policy. You should also check out the policy on redirects and article titles.
 * Lastly, I have some sympathy for you. Many more redirects where at one time considered appropriate. Now only those which are extremely common mistakes or terms highlyl likely to be searched for. Unfortunately, as such the red link to "octave-repeating" means that that link must be transcluded (octave-repeating --> octave-repeating) or removed. Hyacinth (talk) 01:25, 22 November 2007 (UTC)


 * It also occurs to me that since the vast majority of scale are do repeat at the octave, the appropriate stub would be non-octave-repeating scale. Hyacinth (talk) 01:28, 22 November 2007 (UTC)


 * No, I do not wish to create a stub. As I wrote above, this is "a redirect from a title for a topic more detailed than what is currently provided on the target page, or section of that page, hence something which can and should be expanded". Such redirects serve a purpose and are explicitly allowed per WP:REDIR. Deletion was not justified. Please restore or allow me to restore. (Do I really have to ask twice for such a simple thing?) &mdash; Sebastian 02:06, 22 November 2007 (UTC)


 * There are only 6 criteria listed at WP:REDIRECT.
 * I repeat for the second time: "Octave-repeating" will not be an article because the title of an article on the subject would be titled "octave-repeating scale". No one will search for musical scales using the term "octave-repeating". There is no reason to have the redirect nor am I required to undelete it. Sorry. Hyacinth (talk) 05:51, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Old requests
In view of your many contributions to Music, please consider creating one or more of the requested articles at Articles_requested_for_more_than_a_year. Thanks. -- Jreferee    t / c  02:34, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Diatonic Intervals template
It seems that you were the one who started this template. Just want to let you know that a couple editors (myself included) would like to alter the title so it no longer refers to what we have found to be a disputed use of the term "diatonic". Please see the discussion page. Thanks.--Roivas (talk) 00:37, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (Image:A Hard Day's Night melodyd.PNG)
Thanks for uploading Image:A Hard Day's Night melodyd.PNG. The media description page currently specifies that it is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, it is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the media was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that media for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

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