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featured articles
Hi - I'm working on List of Wikipedians by featured article nominations. It's currently auto-generated from the FAC logs, which I'm finding to be not really regular enough to make it work smoothly. As an intermediate step, I've created (not posted yet) a list of all the featured articles with their nominator(s). It seems like it might be worthwhile adding the original featured date, and (this is really why I think you might be interested) the main page appearance date and keep this updated as a page. Eventually we might have to break it down by year or something, but for now I think a single list would do. I assume if such a thing existed, you'd be interested (right?). Please let me know what you think about this. -- Rick Block (talk) 19:55, August 30, 2005 (UTC)

Response to Rick:
 * List of Wikipedians by featured article nominations
 * Hello Rick, well, that's one I never came across before. I'm assuming that you know about the listing of FAs by category at WP:FA and the index by date at WP:TFA. My own interest came about while reading some FA or another and wondering how the article had evolved (or devolved) since it became a FA and of equal or even more relevance since being published on the Main Page. I've been tagging the Main Page articles for a few weeks now (on their talk page) as a temporary measure after finding little enthusiasm from others to memorialize this date somehow within the FA template (to indicate the date of promotion) and then to have perhaps a different template after MP publication to record both dates. I think my concern is legitimate in that the current FA template gives no clue as to its vintage and as we can see at WP:FFA, some articles do not age very well. Please let me know if your plans address memorializing these dates within the article's talk page somehow. hydnjo talk 20:01, 31 August 2005 (UTC)


 * An article's historical benchmarks
 * ''These dates in my estimation are usually the the most volatile events in an article's history:
 * Date that an an article was started: Special:Newpages. Usually available.
 * Date that an article was presented for peer review: WP:PR. Difficult to determine.
 * Date that an article was presented as a potential FA: WP:FAC. Difficult to determine.
 * Date that an article was promoted to FA. Findable by looking through the history for the featured template.
 * Date that an article was featured on the Main Page. Is findable with knowhow but not prominent.
 * Sometimes: Date that an article was demoted and noted as a former FA: WP:FFA. Very seldom and usually without great fanfare.
 * Sometimes: Date of re-presentation .... etc.


 * So, I think that these dates should be readily available for the article's starter, contributors, readers, curious, students of wiki culture or anything else. Sorry to dump this on your talk page but it came to mind and I was already here. ;-) hydnjo talk 22:59, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

First, List of Wikipedians by featured article nominations is brand new - I'm still working on it. Second, the intermediate list I'm creating can have whatever we'd like. To make it relatively easy to update (I think it will have to be updated manually), I think the primary sort will have to be by FAC promotion date. I'm going through the MP archives and adding the date of MP appearance. These dates won't be on the article's talk page, but in this separate list. I'll post the list fairly soon (still working on it). I'll let you know when I post it and ask you what you think. -- Rick Block (talk) 00:46, September 1, 2005 (UTC)


 * I've posted the source lists I used to create the list by nominator. They are Featured articles nominated in 2005, Featured articles nominated in 2004, and Featured articles nominated in 2003.  These lists are annotated with the main page appearance for each featured article.  -- Rick Block (talk) 17:26, September 5, 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the heads-up. The information will be be quite helpful in tagging prior talk pages with their Main page date. I'd still like to see the Main page date (going forward) just be part of the selection process rather than what I'm doing now. I feel as though I'm going against the grain somehow. What do you think? hydnjo talk 18:40, 5 September 2005 (UTC)


 * BTW, with your help I've tagged the Monty Hall problem with its Main page date. I hope I got it right. ;-) hydnjo talk 22:16, 5 September 2005 (UTC)


 * How about adding a description of how to find the relevant dates for a featured article someplace prominent (like on WP:FA, or Featured_article_statistics or Featured article candidates/Featured log)? I think:
 * Main page appearance by date can be found in the archives at Today's featured article and by article by searching Featured articles nominated in 2003 (and 2004 and 2005).
 * Promotion to featured status by date can be found at Featured article candidates/Featured log and by article by searching the by year indices I've created.
 * Peer review and FA nomination are generally linked from the talk page, which makes these dates fairly discoverable by article.
 * Defeature and renominations are rare, but we could also describe how to find these. I guess my bottom line is I'm not sure it's worth adding the main page date to the talk page, given an adquate alternative exists.  So, I guess this becomes a question for you - do you think the alternative (search the index pages) is reasonable?  -- Rick Block (talk) 22:38, September 5, 2005 (UTC)


 * Obviously I'm not making my point with any degree of clarity. Allow me one more try. I happen to read an article that has been prominently tagged on its talk page as being a Featured article. So, I casually ask a question in my mind: was it a featured article last week, last month, last year or when? How does this version compare to the Featured version? Did it get better or worse since then? I'm not a student of article evolution, I'm just curious. If I were a student of article evolution I could track down the version in question with some effort and time. But just being curious, eh, there's plenty more to read around here so I go on. But, if that date had been easily available (think right there on the talk page) then I may well have gone on to a better understanding of an article's evolution (some articles age better than others) and been amazed or prompted to fix some deterioration. At first I didn't think that I was asking for a great deal within a Featured article's CV but I was wrong. It seems to some to be a big deal and an unreasonable request. I'm not in any way demeanimg your work, in fact, it will be quite helpful to anyone's searching an article's history. My comments are directed towards finding a way (going forward) to memorialize the Main page date within the article itself. Thanks for listening, hydnjo talk 23:38, 5 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Also, as time and enthusiasm permit, I will definitely use your new WP reference pages to help tag prior FA pages with their Main page date. I am grateful for your help. hydnjo talk 00:05, 6 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Just to echo back what I'm hearing, you want the "featured on main page" date to be prominently indicated on the page (or it's talk). This is what you've been doing page by page (after the fact) and you'd like Raul654 (or whoever does the work behind the scenes related to geting a page on the main page, which I think is Raul654) to do it as part of making a page today's featured page.  I really can't think of any automatic way to do this, and I think any way (period) would require an edit to the page (or its talk).  You've talked to Raul654 about this, and he seems to be somewhat resistant.  I can't find a description of the maintenance procedures for Today's featured article, but I suppose Wikipedia talk:Tomorrow's featured article would be as good a place as any to bring this up (again).  Rather than add the text like you've been doing, you might create a template similar in style to template:featured indicating the date, but I really doubt you'll be able to get Raul654 to edit the articles to add it.  You feel strongly enough about this to be doing it yourself, so you might propose an addendum to the "featured on main page" process along the lines of "Raul654 does his stuff, and then Hydnjo adds the mpfeatured template to the talk page".  I think (aside from the fancy shmancy template) you've been WP:BOLD and have effectively been doing this anyway.  If you'd like to institutionalize it as "standard practice" you'll have to get consensus behind it.  I think it's a reasonable idea (I also think it's reasonable to add a date to the featured template).  -- Rick Block (talk) 00:21, September 6, 2005 (UTC)


 * You have no idea how much your considerate response means to me. I'm delighted with your echo in that it clearly articulates what I've been trying to say. At this point, I think that providing a foothold for the feature-master to dig-in on this point would not be constructive. I'm going to let it slide for a while as I quietly do my additive thing going forward (and backwards with your new pages). I'm not sure that I'm up to a challenge right now but I thank you for suggesting the avenues to approach this in the future. Warmest regards, hydnjo talk 00:42, 6 September 2005 (UTC)


 * If you'd like to use a template, I'd suggest something that does something like:


 * where MONTHDAY and YEAR are passed in as parameters. If this template existed, your edit to the talk page would consist of adding the template specifying the date (not particularly different than what you're already doing).  If you're template averse for any reason, let me know and we can create this togethter. -- Rick Block (talk) 01:28, September 6, 2005 (UTC)


 * I am without a doubt template chalenged. Try as I might they always came out wrong so I quit trying. You make it seem so simple that I feel embarrassed at my lack of effort. Thanks for pulling me along, that's the same thing I did with my kids. ;- hydnjo talk 01:47, 6 September 2005 (UTC)


 * In case you missed it in my reply, I love the template. Thank you for helping me along in this matter (damn, that sounds so stiff and formal) lets try again: Hey Rick, champion of the Monty logic despite all of the attacks, thanks for hearing my side of things in (I think) a fair way. I feel encouraged by your comments. I was beginning to wonder. hydnjo talk 02:05, 6 September 2005 (UTC)


 * So, um, does this mean you want to create a template? What would you like to call it?  Something related to template:featured and also related to today's featured article.  I note template:TFA already exists and seems to be related.  If you yank and put the table from above into a page called template:whatever (replacing MONTHDAY with  and YEAR with  ) then you'd invoke it with  .    If you want to try this I'll help if necessary.  And, BTW, no apologies necessary.  Templates and meta-templates and programming and mathematical logic are what I DO and have done for a very long time (so, are very second nature to me).  I'm sure it's just a familiarity thing.  If you're interested, and you do one or two (or ten or twenty every year for thirty years :) ) I'm sure you'll get the hang of it.  And, further BTW, thanks for the compliment (hearing your side).  I actually do try to listen.  -- Rick Block (talk) 04:33, September 6, 2005 (UTC)
 * ''Sorry for the delay in getting back to you on this, not by any means for lack of interest. I would very much like to invoke a template as you have suggested. I really don't how to set it up though. How does something like (Featured Article Date) seem to you? Thanks again for your support. hydnjo talk 02:25, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Oops, I just noticed - pun not intended. ;-) hydnjo talk 02:31, 8 September 2005 (UTC)''
 * To avoid the pun (and, I generally prefer not to use acronyms), how about ?  Renaming is certainly possible later, so it's probably not worth agonizing too much about the name.  To set it up, you create a page like template:featured day (just like template:featured) and put the table in it, using  for the first argument,  for the second argument (you can also do the arguments by name, but I suspect by number is easier in this case).  Then, you reference it in an article with  .  If you want to do the arguments by name, you'd use something like  instead of  (and  instead of  ) and (in the article) something like  -- Rick Block (talk) 03:35, September 8, 2005 (UTC)


 * I jumped the gun before hearing back from you. Sorry about that. Should I tag it for speedy and start over or move it to a new name? Now I'm embarrassed. :-( hydnjo talk 03:44, 8 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks for wikifying the date, I forgot to follow your instructions. If I move to say  what happens to the articles withe original template? hydnjo talk 15:50, 8 September 2005 (UTC)


 * If you move the template, I believe the old name stays as a redirect and it's then usable under either name. It's probably good form to edit the references to the new name, but I don't think this is particularly necessary (on the other hand, they're only like 2 of them or something, right?).  BTW - I just assumed you preferred FAD (which would be OK with me).  If you want to move it to a new name, I'm OK with that, too.  If you move it to a new name and fix the references and want to get rid of the redirect, let me know and I can delete the redirect (with my awesome admin powers!).  -- Rick Block (talk) 01:50, September 9, 2005 (UTC)


 * Geesh, we may have to archive soon just because of this section! Please feel free to clear out your talk page, as you can see I've been duplicating here. Anyway, I started FAD before realizing that acronyms were not the best form for template names and I'm assuming that the reason is that the name should be indicative of its function. Also assuming that this template is going to be around for a while and will be seen in lots of future edit windows I would like to change (move) it at this time. In order to avoid confusion with Featured, I'd prefer to stay away from the word featur(ed) altogether. I'd like your opinion on Mainpage date before I do anything else out of sorts. And yes I agree that going back and editing the now three articles is no big deal. I shall await your guidance (again). hydnjo talk 04:01, 9 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Mainpage date is perfect. --- Rick Block (talk) 14:05, September 9, 2005 (UTC)

Template:FAD
''Hi again. I tried to speedy this but have met some resistance, see Template talk:FAD. You may want to comment at as I have named you as a coconspirator. hydnjo talk 12:30, 10 September 2005 (UTC)''
 * Thanks for vote but Zzyzx11 still disagrees on the speedy part. I don't really want to do battle over this so I'm not going to retag, I'll keep an eye out in case someone tries to use it (someone already has) and edit it out. On another note, I think you should receive credit here  and on its links. Let me know if you object to co-authorship. hydnjo talk 20:41, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Looks like Zzyzx11's agreeing with the delete now, so I think all will be good at tfd (I'll watch I guess, and if the tide seems to be turning I'll suggest FAD become a version of template:featured that indicates the date an article achieves featured status - which I'm guessing is where you'd really like to go with this). Re credit - I'm perfectly willing to share, but I don't see how it matters (it's not like we're filing a patent or anything, right?).  I promise I won't begrudge you any glories that come your way as a result of this.  You've been fighting for it for months, so I think you deserve at least most of the credit. -- Rick Block (talk) 22:16, September 10, 2005 (UTC)


 * I doubt that this will gather any resistance to delete but just in case you have an excellent Plan B worked out. Also, my response line is: "As much as I would love full credit, this template is actually the result of a collaboration between Rick Block and myself. hydnjo talk 23:02, 10 September 2005 (UTC)" 

Templates and the Reference Desk
Oh, check out the edits I made to Template:RD header. I'm thinking of shrinking the size of the question mark by changing the number 48 to a smaller number. --HappyCamper 03:33, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Racoons and Adminship
Those racoons seemed to have disappeared now...not sure what the mothballs did, but they're still on the ground! I think removing the food really helped though. Finally some peace and quiet at night!!

Ah yes, my adminship. Thanks for the congrats! That was quite recent actually. I think I come across differently on that RfA than in my normal activities on Wikipedia. Have you read the thread about the Mysterious Wikipedian on my talk page? Wikipedia is so interesting at times...

Just wondering, what makes editing on Wikipedia enjoyable for you? --HappyCamper 23:48, 3 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Ah yes - it's quite interesting to reflect how modern society has evolved in the Western world. It seems as if we have progressed from an agricultural, to an industrial, to a service oriented, to an information based society, in this order. What would be interesting to observe is the next generation - the ones that grew up with the internet, took it for granted, and know all the nooks and crannies of the technology.


 * I had no idea my user account was listed on the Signpost - heh, sometimes I think there's too much information to keep track of on Wikipedia! Usually I just focus on what's important at the moment and trust that the Wiki will help solve everything else! :D --HappyCamper 01:12, 4 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Would you like to become a "sir" someday too? :-) Let me know when you feel ready; I'd be honoured to nominate you when the time comes. Or, alternatively, I just might surprise you one day! It's well worth the consideration. I know you've been here for a while, and those extra buttons might complement your work here. Let me know what you think! --HappyCamper 02:13, 4 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Not draconian, but figuratively poetic :-) --HappyCamper 02:16, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

Gone without a trace
Well, we'll see how things unfold. I think it's too much of a neologism :-) --HappyCamper 03:01, 4 September 2005 (UTC)


 * After further reflection and under more sober circumstances I have tagged this article for speedy deletion as I believe it meets the criterion of General article 7 (1.2.7) at WP:CSD. hydnjo talk 19:01, 4 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Wondering if you would like the article to be enshrined in BJAODN heaven? WP:-)? --HappyCamper 23:35, 4 September 2005 (UTC)


 * As its author I take no position as to memorializing my rant. I feel awkward that it has taken the notice that it has taken already. Scrap it if you want, I can always recreate it later if it seems relevant. Thanks for asking, hydnjo talk 23:41, 4 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Deleted as requested, no archival. Had anyone else edited it, it would have had to stay on for the entire week. --HappyCamper 23:53, 4 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I have no clue as to why some Admin was insisting on WP:AfD instead of speedy. Anyway, thanks for your mercy. Some things that seem perfectly rational late at night make my face turn red the next morning and I can't imagine that an admin was saying No to my speedy request. I'm in your debt. I read the article to Heidi this morning and although she saw some merit and some insights she agreed that it wasn't suitable for an encyclopedia article. "Geesh, is that all you do all night?" or something. ;-) hydnjo talk 00:22, 5 September 2005 (UTC)


 * And, if someone else had edited it I would have gladly given up ownership. That's the part I didn't understand. Perhaps the Admin thought that the article had some merit! Oh well, hydnjo talk 00:29, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Fool family
There is a new progeniture who popped up on Wiktionary. His ancestory is unbeknownst to him currently, AFAIK. Family tree to be updated! --Wonderfool t(c) 11:04, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

Space opera in Scientology doctrine
It was my mistake, I think my browser wasn't refreshing properly, I have since changed the image, and reverted it back to your version. Autopilots 03:08, September 10, 2005 (UTC)

Excellent work on FA date template
I really like the FA date template you made. In fact, I liked it so much I made a clone of it for articles which are scheduled to soon appear on the front page (Of course, people will have to update the template once this date is passed). I also promoted the templates on Wikipedia talk:Tomorrow's featured article and Template messages/Talk namespace. --Alabamaboy 19:08, 10 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Note: As much as I would love full credit, Template:Mainpage date is actually the result of a collaboration between Rick Block and myself. hydnjo talk 00:12, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

TfD
Thanks for the congratulations &mdash; I was amazed at how much support it received. Re the TfD: I think that, seeing as there is still dissent from another admin on whether this is a speedy, I won't speedy it myself; I don't want to run into trouble on my second day! If you like, you can tag it again yourself although don't remove the TfD notice of course. You can always just check the "What links here" for the template once a day or something over the next week and replace any usages with the new one you have/will made/make. -Splash 20:11, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

List of electrical engineers
''Hi. would you take a look at the most recent addition of Kyle McGhee on this list and let me know what you think. It looks like BS to me but I wanted to get another opinion before rv. Thanks, hydnjo 00:37, 12 September 2005 (UTC)''


 * I agree with you; that entry looks like nonsense and it should be deleted. Engineer Bob 04:56, 12 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Agreed. It appears he was a gold digger and I can find no evidence of him being an electrical engineer. Spliced 08:05, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

Date format
Hey, thanks, that worked. I don't know what happened, I just logged on and all the dates were coming out this way! I don't remember changing it. Thanks again, for your help. PRueda29 09:43, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

rfa
Requests for adminship/Wonderfool 2 is a page that you may be interested in. I'm after the 5 extra sysop buttons on here. At least, i think they're 5

James I of England + Mainpage Date template
No problems - glad to be of service. -- High (Hopes) 23:22, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
 * First, thanks for your second message of thanks - and in light of going back through all the old ones, I certainly don't expect this everytime! I wasn't expecting any help with this, but the idea of working from both ends is a good one and is much appreciated. I'll keep a record of where I'm up to on my Pending Tasks box at the top of my userpage.


 * As I said in my message on the template talk page, I was surprised that a MP appearance by an article wasn't logged on the article's talk page - and it wasn't so long ago (I'm still fairly new) that I thought that a featured article was an article profiled on the MP. It is nice to know that this exercise is being considered worthwhile - to be honest, I've never known quite how I can add effectively to WP, so it's good to have something I can contribute. Thanks for your help! -- High (Hopes) [ (+) ] 20:36, 21 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Back again! Purely by chance, I stumbled across your earlier correspondence with Rick Block regarding this matter. I started adding the template for reasons I stated earlier, so we've obviously arrived at the same point independently - fools seldom differ and all that! I noted your comments about the milestones an article reaches that you thought worth recording. The ones I personally regard are important are the Main Page date and Featured Article date, though I would say that more important than the date at which either event/status occurred/was achieved is the simple acknowledgement of this. The Featured template does a good job and has become institutionalised, though I remain surprised that more isn't made within an article's space if it makes it all the way to the front page - I regard MP articles as being 'first among equals' and deserve recognition for this. Now that some of us have begun to ensure that such articles are noted on their talk pages, adding the date has come naturally.


 * As for recording the date FA status was achieved, the template could be amended, but a big backlog would have to be cleared to ensure the red links don't lurk for too long. And it might be hard to get this institutionalised (which is surprising, given how steeped in red tape WP is!). I'm going to drop a note to Rick Block and alert him to this thread. For now though, I maintain that acknowledging MP or FA status is more important than the detail, and I'm glad we've got going on that. -- High (Hopes) [ (+) ] 23:49, 21 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Good point - while I had appreciated your interest in the evolution of an article after being given such status, being there on the MP does tend to give rise to a flurry of editing activity. -- High (Hopes) [ (+) ] 00:03, 22 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Just seen that you left a message with Rick Block around the same time - fools still seldom differ! Just out of interest, who was giving you all the trouble over this matter?-- High (Hopes) [ (+) ] 16:57, 22 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your message, though when I started using MPD I did notice the error straight away - it didn't result in a link to the Today's Featured Article/(date). I was going to notify you but saw the discussion on your page and so carried on with the old one. I just find it easier to type the command and copy it, and then just paste it for each talk page, updating the day of the month each time. Works alright for me! Did April 04 today - will have May done by end of tomorrow. -- High (Hopes) [ (+) ] 17:53, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

mainpage date
Oh, you get used to the blue after a while...

Sorry for butting in on the template: I must admit to not looking at the history before I edited it. My main concern was to ensure that the date was properly wikified, so the user preferences would format it appropriately. The version that was there when I first edited it had the date inside the link to the WP:TFA subpage where the article has its main page write-up, which meant that the user preferences didn't reformat it.

As far as I can see, the only difference between my version and yours is that yours links to WP:TFA and not the subpage. I thought it made sense to link to the subpage, but, so long as the date works, I'm not all that concerned about that. -- ALoan (Talk) 00:11, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

mainpage date template
Hi - Going through the recent versions of the template: The red vs. blue FA date link is an issue with the format of the link to the summary article. The summary article is at a subpage of Today's featured article that has the date in the name. Hey Jude, for example, is at Today's featured article/July 24, 2005 with the date as part of the page name in "Month day, year" format. The template on the talk page for Hey Jude puts the date in "day Month, year" format, so when the link to "Today's featured article" is generated the link goes to Today's featured article/24 July, 2005 (which doesn't exist). The fix is to change the reference on Hey Jude's talk to. Why the link changes from blue to red is because the template expansion changed. It used to use the date only to display the date (wikified, so that user prefs for date format display will take effect). With Brain0918's (or ALoan's) version the date arg is also used as part of the link to the summary article. When it's only used as a date, it doesn't matter whether it's "Month day" or "day Month" (and either displays the same way assuming you've picked a date format in your user prefs). When it's used in the link to the FA summary article it HAS to be "Month day".
 * 1) Brian0918 changed it so instead of just having a date, it linked to the featured article summary article as of the date the article was on the main page
 * 2) ALoan changed it to keep the link to the article's summary article but also display the date according to user prefs (wikified date)
 * 3) Brian0918 basically reverted ALoan's change
 * 4) You changed it so the link goes to today's featured article summary (not the summary article for the date the article was on the main page), but with a wikified date
 * 5) ALoan reverted to his version

BTW - the way you're using it causes it to be NOT "compiled" into the page, so when the template changes if you redisplay a page using it the page should show the change. There are some weird cases where this doesn't happen (like if the template adds the page including it to a category and you either delete this from the template or change the category), but this shouldn't be one of them. You can reference a template in a manner that causes the template to be expanded ("compiled") into the page when you save it (and further changes to the template don't affect that page). How you'd do this is by entering (for example) July 24. It will look the same when you preview, but after saving it if you edit the article again you'll see the expanded code (not the template reference). At some point, somebody may suggest you do it this way. The tradeoff is future changes to the template don't affect articles already using it (and you can't find references via "what links here") but it's less work for the software to regenerate the page (it doesn't have to look up the definition of the template). Changing a template used on thousands of pages is also an issue - it causes the software to do a bunch of database work to indicate that the pages using it need to be regenerated the next time they're viewed.

Probably more than you wanted to know :)

-- Rick Block (talk) 00:16, 22 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Did I miss something? What's the problem?  To fix the articles where the link is red, the first argument needs to be changed to "Month day" format (rather than "day Month" format).  Or do you object to linking to the day-specific summary article rather than WP:TFA?  I'm confused.  Would it help if I explained this issue on the template talk page?  I suspect ALoan and/or Brian0918 simply don't realize the change has broken some (I don't know how many) references.  Please don't give up on this.  Other people editing what you start is the wiki-way.  With templates, sometimes folks come along and make changes that require updating some (sometimes all) references to the template (and they should generally realize this and make the necessary updates themselves).  This is just like somebody coming after you and editing an article, although with slightly (sometimes dramatically) more impact.  The real beauty of the wiki is that rather than any individuals owning certain pieces everyone owns everything.  Is this helpful? -- Rick Block (talk) 03:01, 22 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Wow. I'm honored.  Thank you.  BTW - would you like me to explain the issue at the template talk page?  Your last note there sounds a little angry (alright, it sounds a lot angry).  Please let me know. -- Rick Block (talk) 03:51, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

You're invoking the template wrong. You need to supply a date and year to get it to work right, just as it says on the template talk page. &mdash; BRIAN 0918 &bull; 2005-09-22 04:01


 * I've always invoked it as follows: . But now it seems that that is not correct. So, I'm at a loss.  Thanks to all who have tried to help me here. --hydnjo talk 04:30, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

I assume you've seen the template talk. The newly required syntax is. I left a suggestion that the folks that broke it should fix it :) (although, sigh, we all own it so we should all fix it). -- Rick Block (talk) 04:36, 22 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the further message, and sorry for any confusion. I think Rick has identified the problem: the template will need to be invoked as  for the version that links to the subpage to work (if that is the one that we stick with).  But as I say above, I am rather less concerned about whether the link is to WP:TFA or the relevant subpage of WP:TFA and more so that the date should be wikified so it displays according to user preferences.


 * Please don't give up - the template is serving a useful function. We just need to hit upon a consensus version that works for everyone. -- ALoan (Talk) 09:13, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

date order insensitive version of mainpage date template
Hi - Can we make a version that isn't sensitive to the date ordering? Well, yes, but my guess is you might not like it very much. One way would be to use three named arguments rather than two positional arguments. Ignoring what the template code would look like, the reference on the talk page might be:

and any order would do. The arg names could be more concise, for example m=, d=, and y=. Using named arguments you can put the arguments in any order, but you have to remember what the names are. Using positional arguments you have to put them in the right order, but you don't have to remember any names. The wikipedia "template language" is pretty primitive - something as simple sounding as recognizing a date is in "day Month" form and transforming it to "Month day" form is actually quite difficult. What it's really set up for is creating a shorthand notation for a chunk of text, with arguments simply substituted in (like a form letter). Doing any computation or making the output vary based on parameters is extremely difficult. I can't think of any way (well, no reasonable way) to accept either "Month day" or "day Month" as a positional argument and preserve the link to the specific WP:TFA summary article. An unreasonable way is to have two sets of 366 templates, one for each day in either form, and use these templates inside the main template to expand the argument to what's needed for the link to the TFA summary for the given date.

Would you be interested in a version with named arguments? -- Rick Block (talk) 18:50, 22 September 2005 (UTC)


 * No, I think that may make the situation worse. Heck after HighHopes and I are done it's only going to be used once a day anyway. I'm sure we all can keep track and catch any trip-ups (mainly from EU I would guess). Thank you for taking a look. :-) --hydnjo talk 19:30, 22 September 2005 (UTC)


 * FYI, we're done. ;-) --hydnjo talk 19:02, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Pufferfish
Hi, and thanks for adding the MainpageDate template to featured articles. You also added the "featured" tag to Pufferfish, but unfortunately I had to remove this again. Pufferfish was a featured article, but is no longer featured, since most of the information was moved to Fugu. Anyway, thanks for updating many featured article talk pages. Happy editing -- Chris 73 Talk 08:12, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Hi, just for clarification: I removed the "Featured" tag, but kept the "Mainpage" tag, since I think it is a great idea! Keep up the good work! -- Chris 73 Talk 08:59, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Progress Report
Blimey! You might well have more time than me, but you've almost certainly got more tenacity too. I was working on doing a month per day if I'm lucky with time, but thanks for chugging along much quicker. Let's keep this up and hope that it'll soon become standard practice. Have a Working Man's barnstar in recognition! --HighHopes (T)&sdot; [ (+)] &sdot;(C)&sdot;(E) 08:30, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia Widow
Take a look here: Improve this article about Wikipedia. Hmm...didn't that term first enter Wikipedia a while back ago? :-) And congrats on the new barnstar! --HappyCamper 13:07, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

PRueda29
hmm... dunno if i'm ready to be a sysop; I don't even know how to add that little arrow thing (that redirects) to the edit summary people add when editing pages. Of course, If I were nominated I'd accepted, but I doubt I'd get much support. Maybe i'm just being overly cynical. Thanks for your comments! PRueda29 15:19, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

WP:ASK
It's not so much that they'll find it with the new name, but that experienced users will refer to the page by that title, and it will show up at the top of the page. I reverted some, but not all of Barrett's changes. Hopefully, he'll accept the compromise. Superm401 | Talk 18:55, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

Templates and ASK
I like the new WP:ASK. I think we can remove the red words though. I'd really love to protect that page once everything has settled down. I'm not too keen on putting moving the "Ask Wikipedia a Question" into a more prominent place quite yet, but I have proposed that the bottom links be placed in alphabetical order as a compromise. I think that link has caused the reference desk to swell to well over 700 questions at the moment! Putting it into an even more prominent place would make it even harder to maintain, although I'm not sure if shifting it over would really make much of a difference. I'm actually thinking of writing a bot to maintain the RD pages at the moment. --HappyCamper 20:37, 25 September 2005 (UTC)


 * I find the question mark distracting being on the right side. It sort of draws attention away from the text. --HappyCamper 03:26, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

"Vandal Shield"
I appreciate your praise of the "vandal-blocker" I put in, but it's really a simple HTML comment. I tried to explain it in the talk page of WP:AQ, but in essence it's simple. Anything between doesn't appear. Superm401 | Talk 01:26, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
 * You can get rid of the question mark. I really don't care.  I didn't put it in. Superm401 | Talk 02:06, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Arrows
This edit should not have an arrow because I clicked on the plus sign at the top of your user page. But, if you were to click the edit link to the right of this post and reply here, you should see a little arrow in your edit contributions.

And if it still doesn't work...then try the sandbox and experiment! :-) --HappyCamper 02:06, 26 September 2005 (UTC)


 * OK, Lets see if an arrow appears now. --hydnjo talk 03:44, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Thank you!
Obviously, first and foremost for the barnstar - not sure I've deserved it, but thanks all the same. It has pride of place on my userpage and I hope you don't mind me appending it with what it was for.

I've had some time off recently and thought I may as well get going with the Portal, so thank you for your encouraging remarks. It seemed like a gap worth filling (am surprised there wasn't a portal before), and hopefully I'll get time to keep it going. Most of the formatting is based on the Cricket portal - go and check it out, you lot should be playing it instead of baseball!

As for the user page - at the time I had nothing to say on my page, hence the links. I'm not usually a techy/Webby type, so I'm surprised that I've got into WP - suppose it's the encyclopedic bit that I like. That said, I shouldn't hold your breath waiting for me to turn up on nominations for adminship - I don't contribute anywhere near enough or often enough (like I said, this week off sick was an exception). And I'm really not sure about having contributions recognised - I think you need to mix with the 'elite' to get noticed! Not that I'm bothered by that sort of thing - it's not the reason I'm here.

The name - simply, after the last song recorded by the Floyd.

Anyway thanks once again, --HighHopes (T)&sdot; [ (+)] &sdot;(C)&sdot;(E)&sdot;(P) 02:02, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Template weirdnes
You wrote:
 * Hi again template genius. Template:Mainpage date was enhanced recently by HighHopes with the WP Mainpage logo (nice touch). The weird part is that when I call a talk page that calls that template there is a hang-time of (sometimes) several seconds between the template expansion without the logo until the logo shows up. Also, my browser (Safari) progress bar indicates incomplete until the logo is in place. The other templates on the same page (Featured, etc) appear all at once, logo and all. I'm concerned that the way the logo was added may be incorrect. Please take a look and let me know what you think so I can sleep soundly tonight. Thanks, --hydnjo talk 00:44, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh, I forgot to mention that it seems to happen (I think) only with the first call after adding the template. --hydnjo talk 00:59, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

The logo that's included at this point is a .4M version of the image rescaled on the server (!) to a 42x42 version for inclusion with the template. The rescaling is done by an Apache server (not cached by the numerous squid cache servers) every time any user views a page including the template. Ummmm, this is dumb. It would be FAR more efficient for the smaller (42x42) version of the image to be stored on the server. Given that this is a copyrighted image of the Wikimedia Foundation, there might be some sensitivity to uploading a pre-condensed 42x42 version of the 600x600 original. I'm not sure if there's a way to force the rescaling to be done by the user's browser (rather than by the Apache server), but I'm trying to figure out a way to do this. Please stay tuned. -- Rick Block (talk) 04:37, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * And I responded:
 * I can't believe that I asked a question requiring such a convoluted (to my mind) answer! Now I'm feeling bad that I put you through all of this for such a minor annoyance. Thanks of course Brian for looking into this, I was just wondering if adding the logo could have been done in a more efficient way. As always, your research has helped me understand the underlying mechanics and I thank you for that. --hydnjo talk 04:53, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

=End added sections=

Template weirdnes
You wrote:
 * Hi again template genius. Template:Mainpage date was enhanced recently by HighHopes with the WP Mainpage logo (nice touch). The weird part is that when I call a talk page that calls that template there is a hang-time of (sometimes) several seconds between the template expansion without the logo until the logo shows up. Also, my browser (Safari) progress bar indicates incomplete until the logo is in place. The other templates on the same page (Featured, etc) appear all at once, logo and all. I'm concerned that the way the logo was added may be incorrect. Please take a look and let me know what you think so I can sleep soundly tonight. Thanks, --hydnjo talk 00:44, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh, I forgot to mention that it seems to happen (I think) only with the first call after adding the template. --hydnjo talk 00:59, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

The logo that's included at this point is a .4M version of the image rescaled on the server (!) to a 42x42 version for inclusion with the template. The rescaling is done by an Apache server (not cached by the numerous squid cache servers) every time any user views a page including the template. Ummmm, this is dumb. It would be FAR more efficient for the smaller (42x42) version of the image to be stored on the server. Given that this is a copyrighted image of the Wikimedia Foundation, there might be some sensitivity to uploading a pre-condensed 42x42 version of the 600x600 original. I'm not sure if there's a way to force the rescaling to be done by the user's browser (rather than by the Apache server), but I'm trying to figure out a way to do this. Please stay tuned. -- Rick Block (talk) 04:37, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * And I responded:
 * I can't believe that I asked a question requiring such a convoluted (to my mind) answer! Now I'm feeling bad that I put you through all of this for such a minor annoyance. Thanks of course Rick for looking into this, I was just wondering if adding the logo could have been done in a more efficient way. As always, your research has helped me understand the underlying mechanics and I thank you for that. --hydnjo talk 04:53, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Heya
I really do think that Certificate should be split up... it's hard to wikilink directly to a computer security type certificate (that's the issue I had with MDAC) - Ta bu shi da yu 08:14, 5 October 2005 (UTC)


 * You are far more experienced than I in these matters so go right ahead. Im sure you'll design a fine disambig page. My concern was about preserving the usage of the term within so many contexts. hydnjo talk 15:09, 5 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Oh, not necessarily :-) I think you make a good point. I'll think about it and see what I can work out... - Ta bu shi da yu 02:35, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Wow!
I've been so astonished and flattered by all the support for my RfA that my head is about to burst! (And when it does I'll be sure to write a Wikipedia article about it. :) Thank you for all your support and your encouragement in the past, and also for your note on my Talk page - without that I might never have noticed that I was nominated, since RN put the announcement on my User page, and I rarely go there to read about myself! ;)

As for Boothy443: what a ...(whatever)! I went looking and found lots more info about him (including Requests for comment/Boothy443), after following that link you gave me. I personally think that a condition of his further participation in Wikipedia should be that he stops trying to prove his point, whatever it is, in the voting. He's creating WAY too much drama and pointless discussion. But that's just my two cents.

The whole RfA process is fascinating and mesmerizing. I may write about it after I'm done being put through the wringer. :)

Anything else you'd like me to photograph for you at WDW? - Brian Kendig 02:28, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

OwenX's RfA
Thank you for your support on my RfA. Your trust in me is well appreciated. Owen&times; &#9742;  22:29, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Brian
Thanks for informing me. I had no idea that such a thing had happened. Regards, =Nichalp   «Talk»=  17:52, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Its there, but it strangely does not appear. If you use the sectional edit, you'll see the username. I have no clue why this is happening. =Nichalp   «Talk»=  18:06, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Mystery solved, my doing infact! =Nichalp   «Talk»=  18:30, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't think that's necessary. I believe he had added it before the user template came into use on that page, so it is currently redundant. =Nichalp   «Talk»=  18:47, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Tank truck
was the most specific stub I could find! Apologies to all the van and truck purists. Hopefully a van expert will be able to assist with this truck page anyway. Scottkeir 23:05, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Thank you both
for all your support and warm fuzzies. I really appreciate you, and I'm glad you're out there! :) - Brian Kendig 23:44, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your support on my RfA!
Thanks for your support of my adminship!! I was surprised at the turnout and support I got! If you ever have any issues with any of my actions, please notify me on my talk page! Thanks again! Ryan Norton T 04:16, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

I see you supported not one but TWICE - well thanks again!! Ryan Norton T 04:22, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for the encouragement
It certainly brightened my evening. And encourages me to continue. Open2universe 13:07, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Wonderfool has moved
Good day, Hydnjo. Just to let you know that User:Wonderfool has moved. (S)he now resides at User:Newnoise. And shall pretty much behave in a similar manner to Wonderfool. Apart from the whole being a wikipest for 2 hours every 9 months. --Newnoise 16:52, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Re:Tank truck stub
Hello Hydnjo, glad to help with the stub. sorry it took so long but its a very busy wikiproject even with 100 of us working on it! It was the first stub template ive made so hopefully it works ok :) BL   kiss the lizard  04:33, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * woot! my first barnstar! thank you! BL   kiss the lizard  09:36, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Very odd
I double checked my block log. Wonderfool will be back, 31 December 2005. I also told him that if at any time he wanted to be unbanned, I would gladly do it for him. I haven't received anything in my mailbox yet. I think I'm going to revert those pagelinkings. If that is really Wonderfool, he would have done this differently I think. --HappyCamper 21:30, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

-You think I'd've done this differently?!? What are you, some kinda psychologist or mind reader? Remember I always had a penchant for sockpuppets. Remember User:Onefool? --Newnoise 09:19, 17 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Um...not really...it's just really confusing that's all. Anyway, if you need to perform some page merges and stuff, let me know. :-) --HappyCamper 15:23, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Can I get your vote?
I have been nominated for an adminship and I was wondering if I could get your vote. If you feel inclined, please go to Requests for adminship/Alabamaboy and cast your "yes" or "not in a million years." Many thanks.--Alabamaboy 02:33, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the vote. I was just trying to let people I'd interacted with over the months know about the vote. My bad. --Alabamaboy 12:36, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the notice. You know, I am surprised at people being so worked up about asking people to vote for an RfA. I had seen people do this a number of times (and I'm sure others do it behind the scenes with e-mail). However, if I had known there was such strong feelings about this I wouldn't have done it. Perhaps a notice in the About RfA section would be appropriate?--Alabamaboy 12:47, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Happy now
Maybe i dont like talking to lemmings, --Boothy443 | trácht ar 23:51, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
 * What? &Euml;vilphoenix Burn! 03:59, 24 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Our thought exactly. Lemmings look like fat furry hamsters. They have strong legs and claws for digging. Thick fur helps to keep them warm. ;-)  --hydnjo talk 23:53, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

*cheers*
Thank you both again for all your kindness and support! And please don't take down the big yellow banner from my talk page - I like it, I'm going to archive it with the rest of my stuff there! :) Actually I haven't had occasion to use any of the "superpowers" yet, aside from using the shortcut-revert once... but it does make me feel a little more affirmed. :) I'm helping in a situation right now in Kim Jong-il, and if things continue to go poorly and people violate 3RR again, I'm going to start imposing temporary bans and protecting the page... *cackles gleefully* ;) - Brian Kendig 02:55, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

formatting
Thanks for your comment on the formatting of my question, but I didn't understand what you said. I did a diff on the histories and saw no difference. I signed my name with the 4 tildes, so I don't know why you suggested that I didn't. I am not being defensive, I simply don't understand.--Ben Best 21:40, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Statistics for Hydnjo
As you requested, please find the statistics I generated for you here. Any comments you may have are appreciated. Have a great day! >: Roby Wayne Talk &bull; Hist &bull; E@ 17:54, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Request - hope you won't find it offensive.
Hello, Hydnjo. I've just seen this. You may not have been aware of that user's background. He was a recovering methadone addict, had a rather stormy history on Wikipedia, is often suicidal, and has very recently started using methadone again. He's also mentally ill. He has just left Wikipedia. I don't want to play on your emotions or conscience by hinting that your comments led to his relapse or his departure. I am sure they did not. I think he went back on methadone before you made that comment, and there were many other Wikipedias who wrote things that upset him. As regards his departure, he has left before and come back.

Could I request that you send him a note on his talk page? I don't mean a grovelling apology, just a nice note to say that you didn't mean any offence and that you hope his problems sort themselves out.

And yes, I realize that I have absolutely no right to make such a request – but, well, I feel sorry for him. Check the recent history of his user page, if you're interested. Regards. Ann Heneghan (talk) 00:59, 3 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Response to Ann: ==Regarding sensitivity==
 * No problem, I had no clue. Just thought he was being a "wise-guy," thrust and parry kind of fooling around. Also, I didn't notice any followup to my comment at Redwolf24 so I assumed all was cool with everyone. I will definitely comment on his talk page as best I can. Thanks for keeping me in the know in your usual kind and considerate way.  Are you an Angel or something?  --hydnjo talk 01:30, 3 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I said hey you to get his attention, not to be disrespectful. Let me know if I can be helpful in any way. --hydnjo talk 02:19, 3 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Many thanks. I appreciate that! I know his outbursts are startling, but I'm sure he's a decent person. Ann Heneghan (talk) 02:21, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

RD archival
I am archiving the RD pages less frequently partially because I have become increasingly busy with other activities on Wikipedia. I am so happy to see that the number of active questions has finally decreased below 100 per page! --HappyCamper 04:54, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for supporting my RfA
I know I've been slow in saying this, but thanks for supporting my request for adminship. It was an honor to be both nominated and approved as an admin. If there is ever any adminish (is that a word :-) things you need help with, please let me know. --Alabamaboy 16:15, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Re: WP:ASK
Thanks for the note on my talk page. However, what exactly does the 'a---' mean? :) --Kwekubo 20:25, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Ah. You can see I'm not fluent in Geek Code - or in most other computing languages... --Kwekubo 21:57, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh, I did it up, but to demonstrate by example I've only just realised this minute that my code has had two syntax errors for the past several months... --Kwekubo

unsigned
It's better not to sign the insertion of unsigned - at a glace I thought the template (on evolution was referring to you. Guettarda 15:45, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

WP:RD
Hey, I see you're doing great work on there. Just figured I'd drop a line to say thanks for the hard work :-) Ta bu shi da yu 06:52, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Minor barnstars...
They're barnstars for minor edits. I personally think they are more special than the bigger normal barnstar, because the smaller one isn't awarded so often. --HappyCamper 08:21, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Messed up pages
Hi, thanks for your support. Your talk page is messed up again. Would this eplain it, or is it an unrelated problem? Cheers! Ann Heneghan (talk) 23:57, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Stuff
Hi, thought I should quickly register myself to acknowledge the emails I received whilst I was away from WP - I have both studio versions of High Hopes, although I must say that the live version from P*U*L*S*E is the best. You'll note from my user page that I really can't be bothered with Wikipedia anymore - I had said before that I'm not a techy type and looking back I'm quite surprised I even got involved with this project in the first place. It's not good, hardworking editors like yourself that have pissed me off, it's the 'clan' that dominate this whole thing... it just all seems so pointless! WP is a great idea, but I don't think it works in practice. Keep it up - you do a good job round here. --HighHopes 19:55, 15 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Joe (I presume), thanks for your message. I'll let you know if I do return, but it would certainly be under a different username. What I said on my page is no word of a lie - there are types round here that make my skin crawl and I have no desire be part of their project - one way of putting it is that they seem to think WP is here to be written rather than read, and surely that's wrong. Seeing that you're from NH - a part of the United States that has always struck me as being particularly agreeable (Kerry won there for starters!) - I doubt there isn't much danger around should you wander on to the streets at night, but do keep up the good work. --HighHopes 20:17, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

HTML Tidy
Now that HTML Tidy is working again you may want to rv to the last before your fixes to get back to a "clean" version. I'm sorry that I mislead you on this. It appears that any HTML errors were being silently tended to with Tidy and so folks weren't aware of any markup problems in their sig. When Tidy went down all hell broke loose as every markup error did its thing. :-( --hydnjo talk 05:13, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

It seems that this edit caused a re-rendering of this page and all looks fine. Again, sorry for the confusion. :-) --hydnjo talk 05:17, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note. It really seemed like all hell broke loose when that 'Tidy' thing went down&mdash; It even spoiled me user page. Hopefully, everything is back to normal and will stay that way. Thnaks again.

Hmm...
I can't say I know what happened. I've been noticing this happen quite often lately though. --HappyCamper 03:06, 17 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Yeah... --HappyCamper 03:13, 17 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Thank you :-) - you make this place a good place too!


 * May I introduce you to a game of word association? It is quite the creative spot on Wikipedia! --HappyCamper 03:29, 17 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I was there - some user just decided to blank the entire page one day, and I didn't bother adding it back in. Also, click on "edit this page", and scroll to the very bottom of the page, where there's a secret conversation going on... --HappyCamper 03:40, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Word Association
''I'm confused. What does advertisement have to do with Moby? --hydnjo talk 20:07, 19 November 2005 (UTC)''
 * Hmmm... ;) In Belarus, his song "Why Does My Heart" is used in advertisement of Coca-Cola's product - BonAqua :-) --WBR, Andrew O. Shadoura 11:03, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Ah ... my apologies for removing it. It's too late for me to put it back as it wont connect with the word that replaced it. Sorry :-( --hydnjo talk 14:14, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Wikibreak
Hey, I'm going to be taking a wikibreak since there are a lot of stressful things going on in my life, and wanted to know if you could take care of adding the templates on new chosen articles while I'm gone. Thanks! -- PRueda29 Ptalk29 23:56, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Oh and, not to be a bother, but can you keep an eye on my watchlist, too... it's listed on my userpage. Thanks! -- PRueda29 Ptalk29 23:56, 20 November 2005 (UTC) 23:57, 20 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Hey, I just took a peek at your stress-meters, no problem - go away - and don't worry, I'll look after the featured articles. Even if I miss "...to come" I'll not miss "FA date", I promise. My own watchlist has about 200 entries so adding your's will be no big deal. Just to make sure I have them all, put them in a list on my talk page otherwise I'll assume that they are the articles listed on your user page. Please take a break without worrying about the the Wikitasks that you have been tending. I'm sure I'll know when you're back so best wishes resolving your personal stuff and thanks for asking. ;-) Heidi and Joe, --hydnjo talk 01:31, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

That's all of them, the only ones that aren't listed are the school articles attached to M-DCPS, since there are too many to place on there. All I need is someone to watch and make sure the articles aren't vandalized, many of them are watched by several users so those are covered, but there are some (like most of the M-DCPS articles) that are probably watched only by me. My process for adding the templates to the new chosen articles is to go to Today's featured article/November 24, 2005, and add it to my watchlist, then when Raul654 places the next article on there, I add the template and go to the archive, then do the same for every article chosen and when he's done adding, I unwatch the now filled in date and watch the next empty date. Thanks again for helping me, I just have too many things going on to have to watch for vandalism and get into edit wars, LOL. -- PRueda29 Ptalk29 01:47, 21 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Like I said - go away. We all need a break now and again, you know, stuff happens. I'll look after things so don't worry. Of course the way WP has been behaving lately it's a wonder that anyone can get anything done around here (kidding ... just kidding) ;-)  --hydnjo talk 01:56, 21 November 2005 (UTC)


 * ''OK, I've added the following to my watchlist:


 * ''Columbine High School
 * ''Ernesto Cortissoz International Airport
 * ''Fine Air
 * ''Florida
 * ''Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport
 * ''Gallatin Field Airport - Bozeman, Montana
 * ''Jacksonville International Airport
 * ''Kahului Airport
 * ''Leonardo Da Vinci International Airport
 * ''List of victims of the Columbine High School massacre
 * ''Madrid Barajas International Airport
 * ''Macarthur Airport
 * ''Miami, Florida
 * ''Miami-Dade County Public Schools - and several daughter articles.
 * ''Miami International Airport
 * ''Nassau International Airport
 * ''Palm Beach International Airport
 * ''Rafael Nuñez International Airport
 * ''Tampa International Airport
 * ''Tri-Rail
 * ''a few more to go...


 * ''Columbine conspiracy theories
 * ''Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold
 * OK, that should do it. Let me know if I've missed any. Go take a nap. ;-))  --hydnjo talk 02:39, 21 November 2005 (UTC)'


 * Aviacsa would be the only other one; unless you already have it on your list? Thanks again!  I'll be removing Wiki from my homepage now to discourage myself.  Talk to you again around December 10. -- PRueda29 Ptalk29 04:23, 21 November 2005 (UTC)  P.S (You're two people right? LOL.)


 * ''Ok got it. BTW, I'm one person and Heidi is another so I guess that makes us two people. Whereas Heidi is blind we try to make do with one account. ;-) --hydnjo talk 04:41, 21 November 2005 (UTC)""


 * No, I just can't quit cold Turkey, ya know. LOL....  I NEED HELP!  I promise, no more edits. -- PRueda29 Ptalk29 02:41, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Oh where, oh where has my question gone...

 * oh where, oh where can it be?
 * The page W-P A-S-K is a lost cause...
 * Because there is too much text there!!

Maybe I should really start writing a bot for the RD instead, but realistically I don't have the time to manage such a thing. Would you be willing to put in a bot request on behalf of the RD? --HappyCamper 01:34, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Bot request
You can place it here...Bot requests. There's also WP:BOT, but I don't think that's what we need. I'll leave it to you to write something for the RD at your leisure! :-) --HappyCamper 03:20, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Miami Federals
The IP explained his removal in the article's talk page, and a google search reveals no mention of the Miami Federals except on Wikipedia mirror sites, so it looks good; back to my hiatus. Happy Thanksgiving! -- PRueda29 Ptalk29 22:00, 24 November 2005

Hi. I'm sorry if I made it seem as if I am watching over your shoulder, but I'm not. I came here to research a topic for a school essay and I had a new message and thought it was you asking a question, but was unaware it was a list you were making, so I answered it. I tried to keep my edits down to a minimum, but since I am still addicted to this place, I can't help it. Also, starting Saturday there will be no way for me to edit anymore because I will no longer have internet at home (I'm moving, so it's being cut off). On top of moving, I have school exams coming up, and three other huge problems all tied together which involves a legal procedure (court case) in which I am a witness and all that has been stressing me out lately (exams, plus moving, plus problems and court case). I decided to leave Wiki for a while because I found myself stressed out over edit wars, and vandalism when I didn't need that stress right now (normally i wouldn't mind, it's part of editing), and since the court dates and exams all coincide with the first week of December, I decided to put December 10 (which should be a date when everything has returned back to normal) as my return date. Since I still have internet, I do come around Wiki sometimes just to watch, or as i mentioned, to read an article but that won't be occuring anymore as of Saturday because it'll be nearly impossible to come on at all. Wiki used to take up about 85% of my internet time, now it's down to 5% and that's just cause my addiction to this place has me coming back for more! LOL. As you can see, I've kept my edits to a minimum for the past two days and after this, I'll be stopping completely because tomorrow I have errands to run for my moving, saturday I'm moving, and I won't have any internet until December 1 at the least. Then, i'll have exams and the court proceedings, and once all that's past, I'll be able to come back. I apologize again for sounding like I was watching over you, and I trust your judgement in editing and dealing with vandals since you are a more experienced user than I, but I just thought you had a question for me and didn't realize it was a list you were making for once I returned. I hope you aren't upset with me, and I am glad you are willing to help. Thanks. -- PRueda29 Ptalk29 02:03, 25 November 2005 (UTC) P.S.- I might make one or two edits if they're necessary tonight, but after that I', definately gone (since I have no choice). Thanks again!

Short version: Yes, I'm gone now for good until December (I was just waiting for your reply, but now I'm definately gone since my internet will be disconnected soon) You'll see why I was around a bit, and why I'm taking a wikibreak when you read the book I left ya. Sorry for the misunderstanding, and thanks for helping me! -- PRueda29 Ptalk29 02:40, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

I have returned. I've come to realize I can't stay away from this place (I tried). Thank you for helping me out, even with the whole misunderstanding; sorry about all that. Thank You again. -- PRueda29 Ptalk29 22:34, 02 December 2005 (UTC)

No, I didn't have anyone else looking for me. I actually only asked because I was hoping you would place the mainpage date templates on newly chosen mainpage articles while I was gone. I do appreciate that you went all the way and helped watch everything, thanks! There are a few people who watch the same pages I do, so they probably jumped on any bad edits ASAP. I think only the miami-dade school pages are not watched by anyone else except me. I actually managed to stay away from here for three days, and that's because I had no internet while I moved, but trying to stay away from here is impossible (i discovered the internet is boring without wikipedia). I still have my finals coming up next week, and then the court date, which is what was causing most of my stress (i'm a witness, not a defendant or plaintiff, but I'm testifying against an old friend and that has torn apart my friendship with several people). Now, before I leave another legacy... I just want to say thanks again, and if you need any help from me, I'll gladly do it without question. -- PRueda29 Ptalk29 23:56, 02 December 2005 (UTC)

Had had
That's awesome, and shows how confusing it really can be. I had had had had as being stupid, but now I have had had had had as an example, I had better have had had hads removed, as I realise how dangerous they had are ;) Proto t c 12:25, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Thank you from Ann
Hi, I want to say a big thank you to you for supporting my RfA. I hope I'll make a good job of it. It's quite flattering to get support from people who disagree with me on article content, and to know that they still trust me not to "misbehave" as an admin. I'm supposed to be working on an assignment at the moment, and had been reducing my Wikipedia activity, so delayed thanking people, but I'm finding the new rollback button so easy to use that I'm just keeping Wikipedia open on my browser while working on other things, and I thought I'd like to thank at least a few of those who supported me while I'm here. Cheers. AnnH (talk) 22:36, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

admin?
You're not an admin? Hell, can I put you up for adminship? I know its annoying and time-consuming answering the questions (I had to do that twice, but of course failed both votes), but I wanna get my "percentage of users I've nominated for adminship who have been granted as thus (for more than 1 day)" up to over 50%. User:Shanel was on the cusp, and didn't make it, but User:Commander Keane did get through, and User:BillC declined the nom. You're a dead-cert surely. --User:Wonderfool 22:38, 27 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Gasp... I have no words of my own so let me borrow:
 * "He that loves to be flattered is worthy o' the flatterer."
 * "I'm very honored and thankful if someone says something nice about my activity here, but in general I'm very critical of what I do."
 * Well, no. I do have some words of my own. I'm enjoying myself tremendously here. I do a lot of reading about subjects with which I am familiar which leads me to an astounding number of places with which I am totally unfamiliar. I sometimes stumble into areas in which I wish to express opinion and sometimes vigorously defend my opinion. And sometimes I just like to have fun (Onefool ;-)). So. I guess it's "no thanks" at this time. I'm fully enjoying my own self-inflicted challenges and have no desire to assume any other implied duties. This is not to say that I'm unwilling to help you out as you see fit to ask my assistance but I perceive being an Admin to be a level of commitment with which I feel uncomfortable. Thanks for your confidence, :-)  hydnjo talk 23:46, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

WP:PORTAL
Feel free to do what you like, it's nothing to do with me, I just have it watchlisted and saw confused - unnecessary in this case - so reverted. If you think it warrents the template, feel free to discuss it on the talk page. :) --Cel e stianpower hablamé 15:42, 30 November 2005 (UTC)