User talk:Hypathia

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Edits to PR article
I will not tolerate POV pushing and partisan politics to get introduced into this article. The Puerto Rico article is not only about Puerto Rican politics, it covers all aspects of the archipelago in summary style. Specific details should be moved to corresponding sub-articles.

Please use the talk page to reach and consensus and try to make your NPOV by discussing other POVs. Joelito (talk) 16:10, 30 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Please stop trying to push your point of view on Puerto Rico without discussion. -  Ca ri bb e a  n ~ H. Q.  17:25, 30 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Dear Joelito and Caribbean H.Q., What "point of view" expression are you referring to? I am not trying to push my point of view by any stretch of the imagination; I am reporting what has occured in the last fifteen years and offering what I believe is a more factually-based account of essential information about Puerto Rico. All the best, Hypathia 16:39, 30 September 2007 (UTC)


 * If I may interject, the best place to discuss neutrality issues would be an article talk page. Information about divergent viewpoints surrounding the country's status should be in Politics_of_Puerto_Rico and summarized in the main article. I'm too inexperienced with the subject matter to comment on the POV concerns. Cheers.--Chaser - T 18:40, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Reliable sourcing
Just to avoid future misunderstandings I want to let you know that Wikipedia itself is not allowed as a reference within articles, (as was done here) this is because of Wikipedia's free encyclopedia status, on that same line no website that is edited by visiting users or any other Wikia's are considered reliable sources. -  Ca ri bb e a  n ~ H. Q.  02:45, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the info, Caribbean H.Q.!

Hypathia 02:54, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Spanish Civil War
Mi Amiga, I'll be looking into the info which you gave me later today. Gracias mil. Tony the Marine 21:45, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Blocked
I have blocked this account as a sockpuppet of Wiki En Wiki per information given to me by Lar while researching another user (here) as he pointed out your account has been confirmed as being the same underlying user as Serapis_Alexandria. -  Ca ri bb e a  n ~ H. Q.  03:08, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
 * This is, in my view, a sound block. You would have got away with it if you hadn't been editing about the Puerto Rican Independence party in a way that revealed your POV, as you always do. ++Lar: t/c 12:54, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Question for Caribbean H.Q.
Hi Caribbean H.Q. - Why has the account been blocked?

Hypathia 11:29, 6 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Read this discussion. -  Ca ri bb e a  n ~ H. Q.  11:34, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your prompt response Caribbean H.Q. - Could you explain what occured, I see there is a brief discussion about work continuation and I got blocked? Why did not anybody ask me? I did not do something wrong. Who is the other person envolved so I may know what is happening? Thank you with any help you can give on this matter. Hypathia 11:40, 6 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Serapis Alexandria is quite obviously a sockpuppet of Wiki En Wiki, a quick browse trough the user's contributions serve to establish a strong case based on behavior, now this acount was blocked because Lar confirmed that this is the same underlying user as Serapis Alexandria wich mean that this must be another alternate account of Wiki En Wiki. -  Ca ri bb e a  n ~ H. Q.  12:10, 6 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Ok, I still do not see what that has to do with this accout being blocked. Caribbean H.Q. What does Serapis' work on wikipedia has to do with my account?


 * I am doing what I perceive as productive and good work in Wikipedia's Puerto Rico related topics. Please investigate my discussion contributions and my article suggestions to Tony the Marine, etc.


 * I feel like I need a lawyer! ;) Jokes aside, man, what's going on? Please check the work I have been doing on pages that are not even part of my ideological "bent" but I still thought needed improvement or accuracy checks.


 * Please look above, you had suggested that I discuss my opinions before I did some edits and I followed your advice. You also suggested that I read more about the recommended sourcing protocol, and I believe that you may confirm that I followed through on your recommendations.


 * Anything you could do to help or provide clarification would be appreciated. Thanks again, Hypathia 12:16, 6 November 2007 (UTC)


 * It goes like this Wiki En Wiki was blocked for disruption, he created several sockpuppet accounts to evade this block, Serapis Alexandria is quite obviously one of these accounts, now if you and Serapis Alexandria were proved to be the same user then it means that this account must be blocked as a block evading sockpuppet of Wiki En Wiki, alternate accounts of blocked or banned user are immediately blocked regardless of the nature of their contributions, that is the common process. Regardless of that this case is still ongoing and I asked Lar to provide me with all of the information relevant to this case among it should be the confirmation that establishes both accounts are the same user. -  Ca ri bb e a  n ~ H. Q. 

12:28, 6 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Dear Caribbean H.Q.,


 * Why didn't you contact me before like you have contacted me on previous occasions? I thought you would talk to me before blocking me without letting me know that there was a connection with a disruptor. Who is this wiki disruptor so I may ask him or her to explain that we did not work together?


 * Other users may have been childish and done puppetry work here but why did I get blocked on these far-flung conclusions connecting me to their work? I never worked with them or did any work for them. I do not know if they worked together or not. My work is limited to contributions that I do out of love for learning and the improvement of knowledge as well as sharing information which many of us are passionate. I do not see why I should be blocked for disrupting, I have done productive and good work on wikipedia.


 * Did you see the contributions I have been making, why would this be confused with disruption or clowning?

Hypathia 12:43, 6 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Listen Lar ran a checkuser wich confirmed that your account is related to this user, even if this user's contributions mimicked Wiki En Wiki's contributions as a matter of chance (wich is highly unlikely) the fact that this account was used to !vote in a merge discussion where you had already !voted is evidence of sockpuppetry, wich is disruptive behavior. -  Ca ri bb e a  n ~ H. Q.  12:51, 6 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Please let me know what wikipedia finds out because I do not think I was disruptive and I have not worked in connection with other people apart from the small collaborations I have shared with Tony the Marine and other miscelaneous contributions or requests that I have shared with users on Talk Pages. I think wikipedia and you can see that very time you or someone else have contacted me, I have conformed as best as I could to contribute with the guidelines of wikipedia which I am still learning as we go.


 * Please let me know what you or other wikipedians find out because I would like to continue to contribute to Wikipedia.


 * There is nothing I can do, two checkusers have confirmed that both of you share the same IP address the fact that both contributed to the same discussion is awfully suspicious and the simmilarity on Serapis and Wiki En Wiki's contributions is striking, all of this is enough evidence to establish a strong sockpuppetry case. -  Ca ri bb e a  n ~ H. Q.  13:06, 6 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Can someone establish that I have not clowned or puppeted here? Is it OK if I write them to tell them to confirm that I have not worked with them? Can I check what the users that are supposedly connected to me so I can ask them whether they can tell you that I have not done disruptive work with them?


 * You can try to e-mail Lar but he will most likely tell you what he has already told me on that conversation, checkusers rarely provide erroneous results. -  Ca ri bb e a  n ~ H. Q.  13:15, 6 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, I will try to get a second opinion if this could help. I assure you that I have not done this disruptive claims that are placed against me. Also, I tried to contact Serapis and Wiki on their Talk pages but I could not because apparently I am also blocked from participating in Talk pages.


 * If you want a second opinion use this template . -   Ca ri bb e a  n ~ H. Q.  13:26, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Caribbean H.Q., that is something that may help establish the truth! Sorry for asking so many questions, but how do I use that template?


 * Copy and paste the text and replace reason here with your reason for unblocking. -  Ca ri bb e a  n ~ H. Q.  13:30, 6 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you again for explaining. I greatly appreciate it! I am heading out to do some work now but I will look at the application when I come back and see what I can do.


 * Dear FisherQueen, Thank you for your quick reply. I would like to know why you say that my edit history makes me a probable previous blocked user. If so, which user is it? I applied from my account, which is the only one I have, so I may not apply any other way because I have no access to another account. Hypathia 18:57, 6 November 2007 (UTC)


 * P.S. - Dear User:FisherQueen, I tried to respond to your last message but I may not do so at your Talk page and I do not know if you receive it from here, so if you do, I wanted to confirm. Thanks again!

Manuel Goded Llopis
Hypathia, it is a pity that you have been blocked, because you have provided me with some fresh ideas. I have become interested in investigating the involvement of Puerto Ricans in the Spanish Civil War, since they fought on both sides of the conflict and will write the bio of Gen. Llopis.

It seems to me that both User:Caribbean H.Q. and User:Lar have enough reason to suspect that you and  Serapis Alexandria are one and the same. This is against Wiki policy, now don't get me wrong, I am not judging nor accusing you. I believe that a lot of users commit mistakes and in some cases a compromise could be reached.

I don't know User:Lar, but I do know User:Caribbean H.Q. who is a fair administrator and whose judgment I trust beyond a doubt. Maybe he and you can work out some type of agreement, I don't know but, maybe with some minor guidance things may turn out for the best.

Suerte, Tony the Marine 00:12, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Response to Amigo Tony
Dear Tony,

That’s wonderful, I was thinking of doing an article on Manuel Goded Llopis too, but I trust that in your hands that project will blossom! I am so happy that you are also interested in taking up the broader theme of Puerto Rican participation in the Spanish Civil War of 1936-1939. Did you also read the article on Carmelo Delgado Delgado? Manuel Goded y Llopis was apparently executed by firing-squad and buried in the same “Morro-like” castle of Montjuic (where the Barcelona ’92 Olympic Games were held). More than three decades before, that is the same place where the distinguished Puerto Rican General, Juan Rius Rivera, was expected to be executed until Ramón Emeterio Betances intervened to garner enough international pressure so the one-time Commander of the Cuban-Puerto Rican Revolutionary forces would not be killed in the Military Fortress. And, voilá, he was saved and lived on to receive an offer to become President of the Republic of Cuba. Rius Rivera humbly declined that offer. You may know this, but I thought it would be interesting to you since that was a peculiar historic coincidence between fellow Puerto Ricans Rius Rivera and Goded y Llopis.

I tried to obtain information about why I would be confused with Serapis but, apart from participation in the Puerto Rico Talk page, and edits in Puerto Rico or PIP-related pages, I do not see why somebody would think that we are the same. Someone have suggested that maybe we are participating from the same “network” or internet “i/ p”. It seems strange that people would think it’s an untenable coincidence for two or more Puerto Ricans’ or Hispanics to produce edits that are similar. I would think that happens all the time. If they block on that account, too many people (from Puerto Rico or who are interested in Puerto Rico) will be exiled from wikipedia. Anyways, looking back, now that I’ve looked at part of the “wiki archaeology”, I do not think our edit history is that similar, it also has many differences.

I hope Caribbean may sort this out.

Thanks for the encouraging news, Tony! And please let me know if you knew about the botched Juan Rius Rivera execution plans in Montjuic and whether I can provide help with the Puerto Rico-Spanish Civil War project?

I hope you enjoy the Cotto fight tonight!!!

Gracias por todo,

Hypathia 16:30, 10 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Hypathia,

I saw the Cotto fight and it was great now, his "prueba de Fuego Mayor" will come with Mayweather. After he pulls this one then I will have him up there with Gomez, Benitez and Trinidad. As you can see I wrote the Manuel Goded Llopis article. Now, I will sit down and think about incorporating the fact that Puerto Ricans fought on both sides. You know, one of the indirect results of the Spanish Civil War was that many of the Spaniards who fled immigrated to Puerto Rico, making it the largest Spanish immigration to the island in the 20th century.

Let's keep in touch. If you can find a list of Puerto Ricans that participated in the Spanish Civil War, let me know here or e-mail me in the e-mail address on my main page. Tony the Marine 02:10, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Carmelo Delgado Delgado
Hypathia,

Here is an interesting story that I want to share with you and all those who may read this page.

This past May I was invited to visite William Walter Kouts in Powder Springs, Georgia, in regard to a Medal of Honor activity. He told me about a "Herman Bottcher", the bravest man that he ever served with in WW II. Last month I was invited to visit WW II veteran Bill Stroebel in Tempe, Arizona and by a strange coincidence, he also spoke about a "Herman Bottcher", the bravest man that he ever served with. Needless to say, I was so fascinated by this "Bottcher" that I researched his story and wrote about him. See and read Herman Bottcher.

Now get this, Herman Bottcher served with the Abraham Lincoln Brigade during the Spanish Civil War. This is the same brigade in which Carmelo Delgado Delgado served in. Both men may have known each other. I will write about Delgado, but I find this all so strange, how these people who have these things in common and whom I never knew are destined to have thier bios written by me here. Maybe you know of someone who has an image of Delgado or you can get one from the book "Galeria de Heroes de Puerto Rico" and forward it to me. Tony the Marine 05:00, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Tony, you are doing Awesome work which will help future generations
Yes, the Miguel Cotto combat was very good, difficult and "hueso duro de roer", but a true "test under fire".

What an amazing coincidence or mysterious twist of fate that brings our work together! It is something truely awesome which makes me feel like it was destiny that drove me to write to you about Carmelo Delgado Delgado, Goded Llopis and the broader participation of Puerto Ricans in the Spanish Civil War. Among others, I will try to give you as much information as possible on Carmelo Delgado Delgado as I may obtain (including, fingers crossed, an image of this brave Puerto Rican). It is highly probable that he knew and fought side by side with another brave man: Herman Bottcher.

Thank you for the Goded Llopis article, as you've probably heard by now, it is really great!

I cannot say enough to thank you for your great work and contributions to our youth and future generations; you will be remembered for the mark you are leaving on all of us and the generations to come.

You are correct about the Spanish expatriated/exiled community that came to live in Puerto Rico, many of whom eventually came to feel as Puerto Rican themselves (as a "segunda patria" or a "CO-Patria" so to speak). Apart from the most-commonly known grandes that came to live in Puerto Rico, i.e. Nobel-laureate Juan Ramón Jiménez and world-known mucisian Pau Casals, you may also be interested in reading about centenarian Francisco Ayala, who continues to live to this day! This generation surely helped nurture and preserve the Puerto Rico-Spain ties and, I am happy to say, will now continously endure through physical and intellectual bridges such as the one that you are generating here. It is late and I am "cabeceando del suen~o", so I will write tomorrow before I turn too incoherent, Tony. I appologize for the typos or any other errors ;)

Thanks again, all the best,

Hypathia 06:05, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Carmelo Delgado Delgado Pt2
Hypathia, how was your weekend?

Just to keep you updated, I wrote the bio about Carmelo Delgado Delgado plus I added a new section in my article Military history of Puerto Rico titled "Spanish Civil War" where I talk about the contributions of our "Boricuas" in that conflict and I mention both "Llopis" and "Delgado" as examples of Puerto Ricans fighting in different sides of the conflict. Now, all I need is a photo of Delgado.

Que Dios te bendiga, Tony the Marine 02:50, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you Tony
Great work, way to go!

Let's see if we can get that photo.

Hasta pronto, Tony,

Hypathia 05:16, 15 November 2007 (UTC)