User talk:Hyperion59

Fire apparatus
Hi there, and thanks for your edits to 'fire apparatus'. The writing was good, but for the moment i've had to reverse the change on the basis of a couple of rules, but i'm hoping we can make it work with a few changes, and we can help you do that.

Firstly, the 'lead' section (introduction) is supposed to be a summary of what's in the article, and whilst what you wrote was good, you made a statement that there were 2 primary purposes to a fire engine, whereas the article lists several more.

In quint and quad, you added some alterate names, which we can have, but what would be great is some references in reputable published material where those names are mentioned - do you have any examples we could use?

Hope that makes sense, and my apologies for this, but I think we can make this work and that this doesn't discourage you from further editing. If you'd like to go through some more suggestions or would like advice, then please either reply here or send me a message on my talk page

Regards, OwainDavies (about)(talk) edited at 07:45, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi Owain, actually as I often do I had been wandering wikipedia (looking for Dennis fire appliances) and happened upon the "fire apparatus" page. Before I knew it, I had begun to edit, because what I was reading struck me as being written by someone who may have been a fire buff or hobbyist but not a working firefighter. Particularly with regard to the intro. There is a passive voice there, and the current text is vague, in my opinion.

Regarding my edit to the introduction: I left it unfinished (bedtime)- but here is the rationale: the layperson does not distinguish between pumpers and aerials- to the layperson they are all "firetrucks" or "fire engines". However, at the core of fire suppression, there must be two fundamental fireground functions for motorized apparatus: to pump water and to reach vertical objectives not accessible by ground ladders. This has been the case since the hand-drawn era. The vehicle is a tool box and a conveyance, but must serve (or be capable of serving) one of these two functions once on scene.

Regarding the "quint, quad" edit: Again, unfinished, and I wasn't entirely satisfied with what I wrote. Here is one source:  Page 6 of "Fire Service Pump Operator: Principles and Practice" (c) 2011, International Association Of Fire Chiefs & National Fire Protection Association

During the hand-drawn era, each fire company served to bring one component to the scene- either ladders, hose, or a pump- and the tools they needed to put that component in service. Once apparatus became motorized and capable of carrying heavier loads, there was consolidation of these basic firefighting implements. Thus pumpers came to carry hose (double combination), then a tank was added (triple combination), and then a complement of ground ladders (quadruple). The Quint is a relatively recent concept. But today, all fire engines are at the least "Triples".

In any event, I'd like to continue to clean up this wiki article. I will make citations as required.

Thanks, Hyperion59Hyperion59 (talk) 17:07, 26 March 2011 (UTC)