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Re: RfC
Thanks for the note... I just signed at the bottom of each and didn't see the stupid little 'users who' dividers among the sea of text. I've moved the two in question :) Cheers, Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ( talk ) 11:32, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Jokes
I suggest you stop making jokes, as they are not really appropriate in this stressful period, both on my talk page and other places. You should know better than to joke about something as serious as this. Blaming me for misunderstanding your "joke" is more poor form on your part. Stop making jokes and keep this serious. Additionally, your comment had nothing to do with my decision to request arbitration.  Majorly  talk  20:19, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I was trying to lighten the mood. Personally, I don't dislike you and never have.  I realize that isn't mutual.  I was and am trying to reach out to you in a less stressful manner because I would like to work together constructively in the future.  But alas, I don't think that will happen.  I guess that didn't register with you as a joke... --- Balloonman  PoppaBalloon 20:47, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

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Just curious
Hey there. I just stopped by to let you know that I'll be a a bit inactive this week... so when you have decided to coach me or not, there is a slight chance I will not be responding to your decision very swiftly. Out of curiosity, have you had the time to make a decision whether I would need admin coaching or not yet? Thanks, RyRy  ( talk ) 03:47, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Honestly, no I haven't had the time yet... between the holidays, the Majorly debacle, and an upcoming speach... I haven't had enough time to review people. It probably won't be until this weekend.  Again, my big concern is, am *I* the right person and do you need it?--- Balloonman  PoppaBalloon 03:53, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I don't have much knowledge of exactly what and how you coach your coachees about, so I'm not sure of you would be effective enough. Though, looking at some of your admin coaching pages, I see you do a good job with it. I might ask an admin to co-coach me if that would be okay with you if I think I would need extra coaching. Basically the problem in my RfA was that the issues I had a few months ago are still "fresh" with some editors. Though, I did have trouble with the optional questions, like what MrZ-Man (I believe) asked. I'm not sure if you coach around the "optional questions" area, but that would be something I would like to learn more from, along with some coaching on Wikipedia policies, since some had addressed that I need a better understanding of them. But still, I review from you of your opinions if I need admin coaching from you might help me decide if I need coaching in the first place. -- RyRy  ( talk ) 04:05, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Sounds to me like you're asking for coaching in "How to Pass an RfA", something that Balloonman (to his credit) doesn't offer, not "admin coaching". In any event, I think Old Father Time might be your best choice of coach. ;-) --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 19:20, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * WOW, believe it or not, I've had two people email privately regarding RyRy besides MF with this same observation! MF is number 3... I think that's enough to confirm what I've been thinking.  The more that I look at RyRy, the more I grow convinced that:
 * Everybody who has emailed me/communicated with me re RyRy wants RyRy to succeed, but they are concerned about the path he is on. They've echoed the same things.
 * The thing RyRy needs most is time.
 * That he needs back off of his desire to become an admin. The sentiment emailed to me was that "he is over eager to be an admin."
 * Let me repeat that last point, there is a perception that he wants to get the bit. This perception makes it harder to convince others that your actions are pure/just.
 * As there is a strong impression that he is eager to be an admin, coaching is probably a bad course for him. I've always said coaching isn't a means to polishing a resume and isn't right for everybody.  While I am an advocate of coaching, some people are opposed for going through coaching, and in some cases the opposition is justified!
 * RyRy has CLUE. He is getting involved in different adminly areas---that is my big push in coaching style.e
 * I've been reluctant to say this because I feel guilty for pushing him into his failed RfA, but I honestly don't think the best course of action for him is coaching. I said it a month ago and despite his failed RfA, I think he is on the right path.  He just has to prove himself to the community and that is best done by working hard and separating yourself from anything dealing with RfA for a few months.--- Balloonman  PoppaBalloon 19:41, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note on my talk page, Balloonman. Though, I was already going to check-in when I was online again. :-) I've been thinking, and I've decided I don't need admin coaching; I don't see much that coaching with be benefiting to me, nor, effective in any way. Spot-on from what Malleus Fatuorum said, the biggest thing I need is time to pass from the "problems" I had back then. I'm sure I'll be able to do fine on my own. Balloonman, don't feel guilty, Its not your fault at all, and feeling guilty only makes it worse to you. I actually was glad to have had an RfA. It led me to see where and what I should learn more about, but most of all of how much time I still need to pass for the issues I had a few months back. I took it as a community review of me, something I'm not sure if there's any other place for that (WP:ER doesn't get that many reviewers ;-) ). And I'm glad what answers I got in my RfA. So I thank Useight (you reading this? :-) ) and yourself, Balloonman, for nominating me. If ever along the road you come by to visit me, feel free to drop me a message on my talk page, for whatever reason. Many thanks, RyRy  ( talk ) 23:10, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'm here, and I wish you better luck in the future. I've been extraordinarily busy in real life the last couple of days with the start of a new semester in school (my last semester before graduation), but I'll be back in the swing of things within the week if you ever need anything. Useight (talk) 03:18, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Admin coaching?
Hello, Balloonman! I would like to request some admin coaching, since I plan to run for adminship in the future. I've seen your userpage and rather 'glittery' list of successful RfAs, and I hope that you can show me how to use the admin tools efficiently and in the right mind.

Although I've been around since November of last year, I still feel pretty nervous when it comes to RfA. I look forward to learning how not to put my foot in my mouth when dealing with vandals or being peppered with tough questions. Cheers, and thanks for your consideration!

LaPianista! talk /sign 16:04, 3 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I'll try to take a look at you soon... but it might be a few days. RL gets in the way sometimes.--- Balloonman  PoppaBalloon 19:43, 3 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I accept. By no means am I pressing for time, and I certainly have no objections to working on my weak spots over several months. I thank you for your honest opinion, and in time, I hope I can prove to be an apt administrator. :) &mdash;LaPianista! talk /sign 19:09, 5 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I have answered the questions on the coaching page. I found the first one to be particularly difficult to answer - perhaps I should familiarize myself with more of the admin-y pages. :) &mdash;LaPianista!</b> <sup style="color:#696969; font-family:arial narrow">talk /<small style="color:#696969; font-family:arial narrow">sign 00:48, 6 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Quick question (excuse me if this is naïve): As I learn more about becoming an admin and how to answer the questions in the most logical manner, may I edit my original answers under assignment 1? &mdash;<b style="font-family:Century Gothic; color:darkblue">La</b> <b style="font-family:Century Gothic; color:dodgerblue">Pianista</b> (<b style="color:#696969">T</b>•<b style="color:#696969">C</b>•<b style="color:#696969">S</b>) 20:44, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

RfA thanks
--Smashville<sup style="color:#03F">BONK! 23:55, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

thanks for the info; a question
...thanks for the info; sorry slow to respond. I'm really interested in knowing what I could do as an admin that would actually be helpful: I did see some related conversation on Moni3's RfA; will look into those comments. But my big question is, aside from the ability to delete redirects (which would come in very handy when working on endangered languages) what else would I do as an admin? Thanks Ling.Nut (WP:3IAR) 01:55, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) I think the encyclopedia already has legions of vandal whackers, including non-admins with various tools.
 * 2) I think there are enough admins and admin-wannabes hanging out at XfD to take care of closes.
 * I am not the most active of admins... in fact, if I didn't have the bit, it wouldn't impact me too much. That being said, there are a few reasons why I like having the bit.  1) When I run across somebody vandalizing one of the pages that I watch I'll generally check his/her other edits.  If necessary, I'll give them a warning and/or block them.  2) If there is an edit war going on on one of the pages I watch, it is nice to be able to protect if necessary.  3) There are times where I will stumble across an edit war or other issue that it is nice to have the tools.  4) Having the bit allows me to review deleted entries.  This is perhaps where *I* use it the most, I'll use it to look at CSD's of prospective admins to see if the article was properly tagged and if I agree with the deletion.  5) There are times where get bored or don't have time to get involved with something, but janitorial duties are needed somewhere.  Having the bit gives me a few more options as to what I can do.  6) It gives me the ability to help others more completely.  7) If I want to edit a controversial article (such as a politician) I can.  As an admin, I'm not prevented from editing protected articles (within reason and where appropriate.)  Those are the reasons to have the bit.--- Balloonman  PoppaBalloon 02:19, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks again... and while we're talking about deleting things, would you mind deleting Template:Welcome-anon-g2? I made it, then decided it would be far better to simply revise the existing template Template:Anonwelcomeg instead... there were formatting probs in the one I wish to delete... Ling.Nut (WP:3IAR) 03:14, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Done, see that is one of the things I like doing... I don't have to ask somebody else to do it.--- Balloonman  PoppaBalloon 03:28, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Wikiusernew
Hey, just thought I'd point out that I'm sure you confused Talk:Wikiusernew with User_talk:Wikiusernew. Pete.Hurd (talk) 13:43, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * LOL, thanks.--- Balloonman  PoppaBalloon 20:56, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Can you help me?
Seeing as you're taking on new admin coachees what about me? I know my way around wikipedia, but I've made a few enemies along the way, some of them fairly high-profile. I'm thinking that my best option would be to disappear and then come back as a new editor, get through an RfA a few months later, and then unleash my vengeance on those who previously opposed me. Can you help? ;-) --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 19:38, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * LOL!!!! I like the whole plan, personally, except the disappear part. :-)  Keeper    76  19:52, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah well. Undisclosed sockpuppet it'll have to be then. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 20:47, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * You are one sick puppy... might I suggest some name like User:Malleus Maleficarum or USER:LIMBUS FATUORUM...something nondescript? ;-)--- Balloonman  PoppaBalloon 20:55, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * That might be a problem, I don't do nondescript. I'll have to give it some thought. Thanks for your advice anyway. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 21:02, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * What about Malleus Fatuorum2 --- Balloonman  PoppaBalloon 21:20, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm leaning more towards a fake real name, something like James Blood perhaps. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 21:24, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I guess I should have you start by compiling your enemies list.--- Balloonman  PoppaBalloon 21:36, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Not a bad idea. Are you a fan of Father Ted? I'm thinking of the episode in which he receives the Golden Cleric award. :-) --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 22:06, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Really Malleus, I didn't think you'd stoop as low as me, just to get adminship! :) Does it mean that much to you? Or maybe this whole conversation is sarcastic, and I'm too dim to tell...  Al Tally  talk  21:38, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * It means nothing to me now. I thought it meant something once, but I was mistaken. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 22:06, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Uh oh, I hope I'm not high-profile enough to have vengeance unleashed upon me. Useight (talk) 22:10, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * That will be for James Blood to decide, not me. I'd be inclined to be merciful, but James is a bit of a bastard I'm afraid. :lol: --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 22:13, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * If Blood is a bigger bastard than you, I think it would take an act of congress for him to become an admin... or maybe a presidential decree.--- Balloonman  PoppaBalloon 23:58, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * My sockpuppets are already on the job. Who knows, James Blood may even be your next President. Your voting system is kind of whacky even at the best of times. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 00:22, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * McCain/Obama has an account under the name of "James Blood" just wait til the media hears about that!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.53.101.0 (talk) 05:49, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * PS. I pity any poor sod who unwittingly tries to register as James Blood. :lol: --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 22:17, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Why? James Blood (talk) 06:50, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Uh ho... I better go block him... obvious sock...--- Balloonman  PoppaBalloon 20:32, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey we could do co-coaching... User:James Blood and User:Al Tally ;-)--- Balloonman  PoppaBalloon 22:36, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * P.S. Glad to see you around Al.--- Balloonman  PoppaBalloon 22:37, 5 September 2008 (UTC) EDIT: And yes, this is a complete joke... MF and I started off almost as poorly as you and I did... but now we have developed a casual wiki-friendship. I'm hoping, that despite our poor start, to do the same with you.


 * Co-coaching sounds good to me. I'm always happy to help my sockpuppets slither their way through RfA in whatever way I can. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 22:51, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * PS. I too am glad to see that you're still around Al Tally, even though I haven't always seen eye to eye with you recently. Or even ever seen eye to eye with you recently. :-) --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 22:54, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Spammy DYK update/housekeeping-type notice
HI (sorry 'bout the spammy note), DYK updates have been a bit slow and there's a bit of a shortage of admins actively involved. We are asking folks who listed themselves on Did you know/Admins to update details on this page - User:Olaf Davis/DYKadmins, so we can grade everyone's involvement (and who, knows, someone may want to get involved more :) ). Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:14, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

AOR
Thanks balrooman for the clarification. I didn't know the admin recall process is now dead. Cheers --Kaaveh (talk) 05:45, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * It's not really dead, but it is under HEAVY attack. The problem is that it has become such a poison pill that people really don't like it at RfA's.  There is no answer that doesn't garner opposes.  Say yes, and oppose.  Say no, and oppose.  Either way, the category has no teeth, thus by "forcing people" to make campaign promises it creates a negative.--- Balloonman  PoppaBalloon 05:48, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Wasilla Assembly of God AfD close
Hey Balloonman, you do great work and please take this comment in good faith. It could be construed as questionable form to !vote delete in an AfD, then close it yourself as no consensus - shortly after a relist - expressing concern that the result could turn out to be Keep (which was arguably the direction the AfD was turning). As you've no doubt seen before, closing no consensus begs for a new AfD to be listed on a controversial topic like this, and alternatively while I'm not going to send this to DRV, I wouldn't be surprised to see it end up there on procedural grounds. All the best. Townlake (talk) 15:33, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I know, but I figured this was a case where IAR was warranted. Sending it back through the relist was the cowards way of dealing with the AfD (and the relisting admin essentially admitted that when I told him what I did.)  Another week at AfD would not have resulted in a delete.  It would have either resulted in Keep or No Consensus, thus there was no need to relist it.  In the end Keep = No Consensus, once that is established and the time has elapsed, it should be closed.  If I had closed it as a "delete" which would have been keeping with my !vote, then I would say that it is an abuse of my tools and should be taken to DVR.  As I simply saw the writing on the wall and closed it, like it should have been, I stand by my decision.--- Balloonman  PoppaBalloon 15:44, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * PS I wasn't expressing "concern" that the result could turn out keep, I was acknowledging that fact. There was zero chance that it was going to result in a delete. There is a distinct difference, the writing was on the wall, thus I acknowledged the fact.  Keeping it open was needless "dhrama"--- Balloonman  PoppaBalloon 15:50, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * ...and I'm not trying to create drama here. I'm perhaps overly fussy about invoking IAR in deletion discussions, so I suppose we will simply be reasonable people who disagree on this one :)  Best. Townlake (talk) 15:54, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not accusing you of seeking Dhrama, but keeping it open for another week, when doing so would result in a Keep/No Consensus, would be unnecessary Drama. There is no reason to keep it open.  Even if it was closed "KEEP", this subject would probably be brought back to AFD probably before the election. Thus I tried to write my comment in such a way as to tell people "wait until after the election."  Right now this non-notable church is in the news because of Palin's nomination.  The church really is no more notable than 99% of the other churches in the country.  In 3 or 4 months, enough distance will have passed between the news hype that we can truly evaluate whether or not the church has real independent notability or if the hype was purely sparked by Palin.--- Balloonman  PoppaBalloon 16:02, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

"sounds like a future admin in the making"

 * Re your comment on my new case of Wikiholism (or whatever the link Keeper sent me to was).
 * Yeah, I've been here only a few days after my creation of my first articles, the Sarah Palin's churches articles. (I hit the jackpot on my first article, eh?.) Before that, I didn't even know that there 'was a discussion page for each article on Wiki.
 * When I went to the talk pages of the mathematics articles, it read like a Who's Who of one of my former lives. I was tempted to send out a hundred emails starting off "long time no see", but resisted the temptation.
 * I know about the stuff here listed here- User:EricDiesel, plus some topics that I didn't want to put there.
 * I think I may have what it seems (after reading edit wars for four days) is an essential quality for an admin... Not just that I like neutral and relevant info, but that I don't 'really care.   After all, its just an article. In fact, having been on Wiki, I discovered the solution to Camu's "central quesion of philosophy" last night. The Question, raised in Myth of Sysyphus is, "Why shouldn't I kill myself right now?"  And my answer I found, after a century of philosphers and thinkers struggling to answer, is "Who Cares?".
 * I was substitute teacher for the Cirque du Solei clown class (where I said that good clowns never disrupt the performance of others without permission) in SF in 2003, and I recently taught an underground (literally underground) "hacking" class at Cal Tech, where I said that "hacking has nothing to do with vandalism or computers". I hate people messing with others, or even playing practical jokes on others without their prior-approval.  I saw a lot of people messing with others on Wiki (Not just on the Palin sites, but even on the math sites.)  More important, I saw a range of skills whereby a young-like thinkers get discouraged by having their creations deleted with no attempt to coach them along.
 * Here, at User:EricDiesel, is what I can contribute to in a serious way. My ,mom just died of cancer, I lost 20 million in a lawsuit over the last twelve years, everything I own burned down when my forest caught fire in the santa cruz, ca fire last may, then my girlfriend got a neuroscience position in England and flew away.  How's that for time on your hands? EricDiesel (talk) 20:25, 9 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Eric, I'm not sure of what you are asking me here? This post really confuses me.--- Balloonman  PoppaBalloon 20:43, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

On Direct Path
FYI, we live on a direct path of IKE... about 30 miles inland, so hopefully not too bad... but we'll see...--- Balloonman  PoppaBalloon 06:39, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Aye! I hope you and your family will be safe from harm, Balloonman... -- RyRy  ( talk ) 07:01, 12 September 2008 (UTC)


 * To see pictures and video of Hurricane Ike goto: Pictures of Ike They should be posted by 8:30 central time.--- Balloonman  PoppaBalloon 00:53, 13 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Be safe and be well (and be dry). Hope I don't see your house on the news.   Keeper    76  01:06, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Pakistan Daily News as source for Wasilla AoG church
Re: “I personally have questions about the accuracy or reliability of this source.” - Yours is a fair question. The Pakistan Daily Times is run by the journalist’s journalist, Najam Sethi, winner of a 1999 Press Freedom Award.” Foreign Policy (see Wikipedia article, etc.) magazine describes Najam Sethi, the editor of Pakistan's Daily Times, as “ one of the country’s most respected political analysts”. If anyone in the world should be respected for honest journalism, it is Sethi and his papers. I checked and the two Wikipedia article on Sethi and on his papers need some work. I tossed in the Foreign Policy quote to his Wiki article. There are more details in talk page where you left your comment. EricDiesel (talk) 03:19, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
 * responding on article talk page as this was crossposted.--- Balloonman  PoppaBalloon 03:32, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Military history WikiProject coordinator election
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Greetings

 * well, here goes! first, hi. second, I think you do a fine job at things, keep that effort going. also I would welcome the chance to correspond with you, preferably on IM (instant messaging), but on here works too. so I don't have to repeat what I want to talk to you about, will you go visit Abd/IP 's talk page? thank you. Upgrade1 (talk) 12:02, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't believe in discussing wikipedia issues on IM.--- Balloonman  PoppaBalloon 04:11, 17 September 2008 (UTC)


 * well, I DON'T BELIEVE in the chaos that passes for journalism these days. now, why do you insist on public correspondence? Upgrade1 (talk) 11:21, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

After Ike
If you goto CenterPoint Energy

You can see when centerpoint expects to have your power back on... we are part of the lucky group... you know, the one where it reads:

"The following zip codes have sustained extensive damage, and will therefore have a restoration timeline that extends beyond Monday, September 22." I'm just hoping to have power by election day. --- Balloonman  PoppaBalloon 19:39, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Ouch, that sucks, at least you made it through. Good luck with the recovery.  MBisanz  talk 19:40, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Good luck man, I had a little work after Gustav, nothin' what Houston had though...  Burner 0718  <sup style="color:#000000">Jibba Jabba!  04:52, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Put me on your dance card
Yeah, put me on your dance card for admin training, if you're still doing it. You can have the nom, if you want it. Later Ling.Nut (talk&mdash;WP:3IAR) 11:29, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * It may be a few weeks... right now, I have very limited access to the internet and what access I do have is sporatic at best. But I would be happy to take a closer look at ya.  Sandy's nod means a lot to me...--- Balloonman  PoppaBalloon 13:53, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Re. Your RFB
Hello Balloonman. Don't worry, I am not dismayed by your stance at my RfB as I always welcome sound criticism. But, as a highly vindictive user, you will now walk t'plank!!! Mwahah. ;-) Regards, Hús ö  nd 15:57, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * At least I wasn't hit by a trout--- Balloonman  PoppaBalloon 16:00, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Well now
...This is true. I made mention of this at wt:rfa a while back. I've been thinking about suggesting a poll to see what everyone puts more weight on when !voting. Thoughts?  Syn  ergy 06:16, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I haven't really seen the need... most people who support do so without really researching the candidate. While I know this isn't the way a lot of people see it, I see the burden for justifying one's vote to be on the Opposes.  There is a segment of the community that believes anybody who has shown a modicum of interest/desire should be an admin.  These people excercise their belief by supporting everybody---or most everybody.  They only oppose those who are obviously going to fail, that way they can say "I've opposed some candidates."  To me, support is the default, and a SOLID reason has to be given to oppose.  For example, Husond's RfB... at first, I wasn't going to research the links... but decided that if I didn't then I was potentially poisoning the well---an oppose without links is hearsay.--- Balloonman  PoppaBalloon 06:25, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * It must just be me then. On the one hand, if its a vote, then we AGF for supporters and demand solid reasons for opposition. But on the other hand, if its a discussion, then I'd expect neutrality. Of course I suppose I'm asking too much, because thats why we elect the crats (to be the neutral party). Yet I can't shake the idea that we should maintain consistency within the process. Advocate solid reasons for supporting as well as opposing (but yes, I've made some poor support statements in my time). I also can't help but think we need to "filter out" those non solid oppose rationales also. Not just the per above's but the lack of diffs accusations as well. Oh well, its at least better to run ideas by others first...  Syn  ergy 06:36, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I know that others agree more with you... I just know that if we were to seek consensus that we probably wouldn't get it.--- Balloonman  PoppaBalloon 15:47, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Editor review
Would you mind commenting on my editor review? [Meldshal] &mdash; §unday  { Q } 15:05, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll try to remember... My internet connection is rather limited due to Ike.--- Balloonman  PoppaBalloon 15:48, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Re. RFB closed
Hello Balloonman and thank you for your message on my talk page. Don't worry, like I said before I was not dismayed by your oppose. As long as well construed and in good faith, I value an oppose just as much as a support. Best regards, Hús ö  nd 04:41, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Shorten and finalize with template for additions at WAoG

 * Balloonman, I suggested twelve sentences total on the WAoG talk page, and a renewal of the original section title, on the talk page. If you have time to write it up and source it, with your meticulous eye and neutral wording ability, I suggest you do so, wait a day, then be bold and stick the twelve sentences in, without deleting any potential content.  With the three context sentences, and all of the details of alleged controversies, opening with the Palin supporters context sentences, there is no reason for anyone to alter anything.  If another controversy “arises’, one additional sentence would be all that is needed.  My summary has the content of all posted information, and if a summary leaves ANYTHING out regarding a “fact” in an alleged controversy, edit wars will continue.
 * Barr’s sincere limited government perspective applies to this article, shorter is better, and additional tinkering only creates a morass.
 * You wrote to Jclemens, who seems very sincere but a little light on ability to write from a perspective other than his own, that I was an Obama supporter. The truth is, my dream American political ticket is “Gore – Barr”.  They both have a long-term global knowledge on the three central issues of our time, global warming, habeas corpus for all or the world governing mechanism breaks down, and focus on nonproliferation of post soviet nukes.  Most other disputed issues are American parochialisms.  Gore’s “government has a role” is well balanced with  Barr’s “government always screws things up”, the two work well together, and this ticket would end incessant internecine bickering in American politics.  Obama is just another smart pandering lawyer, McCain is a pandering trained killer, Biden is the most life long of politicians,, and Palin thinks the earth was created 6,000 years ago and humans do not cause global warming, so not the best of options.
 * I used the Pakistan Daily Times as source (for some, not all, of the “controversies) since they stated they had reviewed the sermons, their editorials were scathing against Obama’s position of ignoring Pakistan borders, resulting in a shoot to kill Americans order by the Pakistan government, and the author and editor are of impeccable journalistic credentials. However, the Murthee, taxpayer pay church speakers costs, etc., information is not in their story.
 * I was substitute teacher for the Cirque du Solei clown class, but I was not a balloon man, as I did not work with balloons. Is “Balloonman” explained somewhere on your user page? G’luck- EricDiesel (talk) 17:03, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Heads up
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Don't hurt me :-) Giggy (talk) 22:42, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I followed up on your comments...--- Balloonman  PoppaBalloon 06:17, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Whew!
Good to see you back!. I've been thinking about you (and Karanacs, the other editor that I know was affected by Ike). I hope you and your family get "back to normal" ASAP. Best wishes, Keeper  <span title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)" class="IPA">ǀ  76  18:35, 27 September 2008 (UTC)