User talk:I7114080/Archive 1

Buses WikiProject
I notice that you have edited lists of bus routes recently. You might be interested in helping with the new WikiProject buses, especially the proposed Bus route list guide. We are also working out when a bus route should have its own article and other issues. --NE2 15:35, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Changes to country music articles
Before making drastic changes to country music articles, as you did here, it would be better to propose changes on the article's talk page first. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 03:39, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Please, wait for others to approve your changes before making them. Try suggesting them at WP:COUNTRY. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 05:14, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Lost in This Moment
Please don't remove the current single tag from Lost in This Moment on the Big & Rich discography. It's still rising up the AC charts right now.Spell4yr (talk) 04:45, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Rodney Atkins' "In a Heartbeat"
Rodney Atkins' "In a Heartbeat" was inded a single and didn't just chart from unsolicited airplay. I can't find it right now, but I do have an old Country America magazine from 1997 that lists it as being his debut single, even if it only peaked at #74. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 05:39, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Album cuts and LeAnn Rimes
Sometimes the album cut thing is just pure logic. For instance, all of Garth's album cuts from Sevens were obviously album cuts, as they were charting in the 60s and 70s while the actual singles ("Two Piña Coladas", "She's Gonna Make It", etc.) were zooming up the charts. Obviously, the album tracks like "Belleau Wood", "Cowboy Cadillac", etc. weren't officially released.

Also, I'll double check all of LeAnn's peaks. This PDF is a great resource that lists the entire chart history (albeit about 2-3 mos. out of date) for every single ever issued by Curb Records. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 05:55, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I totally reworked the singles table for LeAnn Rimes, adding peaks for Adult Top 40 and Mainstream Top 40. Working with 11 different columns was a pain but I think I've got everything lined up right now. (I didn't notice that the Brian McFadden duet's peak had been in the wrong column until the revamp.) Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 07:05, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Carrie Underwood discography
Please don't revert the article that you deem unfit without placing an suitable explanation why. It is a hassle for me to start all over again. Thanks. σмgнgσмg (talk) 06:31, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Please stop. If you are unhappy with the changes, leave messages on the talk page rather than reverting it. σмgнgσмg (talk)  01:17, 10 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey, I've worked on the table based on your suggestions. However, I've removed the columns on the certifications, where I've just merged them together as it was getting cluttered. Take a look and if you are unhappy with it, leave a message on the talk page and we'll work it out from there. Many thanks. σмgнgσмg (talk)  10:23, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Further drastic changes to the layout of the article and the format of it will need to be discussed beforehand. This is because we can't keep on changing the format to suit what you think looks good as the article is currently going under a WP:FLC review. Thanks. σмgнgσмg (talk) 04:12, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm sick and tired of all the arguing. Can we please mediate this and let other established users to voice their opinion first before we act? That way, we can ease the conflict between us and try to improve on the article. Thanks. σмgнgσмg (talk) 09:59, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

The way I see fit isn't necessarily the right way, I'm just following the WP:FLC criteria. If other users see your way as better, I won't argue with that. But, I'll admit you're a good editor in resolving the pointless dispute between us. Here is why I'm awarding you this barnstar:

However, I must stress the fact that holding a vote on the inclusion of dashes is unneccessary. This is because in the article, there is a table with blanks in it already. That is in the singles table. The blanks represent the fact that the CAN Hot 100 was not established at the time of the single. So in essence, if we have another table with blanks, then the blanks represent two things. σмgнgσмg (talk) 05:19, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Canadian album peaks
What is your source for the Canadian album peaks you've added tonight, which you acknowledge are, in some cases, incorrect? Eric444 (talk) 06:12, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I appreciate the additions, as Canadian country music is underrepresented at Wikipedia and sourced chart positions are difficult to find, but I think it's best to hold off on peaks that are obviously wrong and only add recent albums. Eric444 (talk) 06:31, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

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Carrie Underwood discography
Please stop, discuss with other users first before making these changes. σмgнgσмg (talk) 02:41, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
 * of course I won't.Langdon (talk) 02:44, 25 March 2008 (UTC)i7114080
 * I agree with the above. Please discuss potential changes on the talk page before changing the article. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 02:44, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Why won't you? σмgнgσмg (talk)  02:46, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
 * because when Omghgomg started to fix the article, Omghgomg didn't discuss. why should I? and those fixes I made were suggested before. but Omghgomg didn't allowed. I don't know why it is not allowed. and no one talks about it when I make suggestions. I have to act to keep my voice up. discussions are useless. only Omghgomg's way is allowed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by I7114080 (talk • contribs)
 * So you're justifying yourself by saying "he made changes without discussion, so I'm making changes without discussion too"? I don't think that works here. Both you and Omghgomg want the page to look better; you just have different ideas on improvement. I would suggest talking it out with him and trying to find a compromise. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 03:01, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The only reason the article is at the way you haven't been actively partaking in discussions after the first nomination of Carrie Underwood discography, so myself and other users assumed that the article was stable. However, I can admit that I, myself have been hasty with the sudden changes of the article and I am sorry. I do apologise. Nevertheless, other users are happy with the changes and they haven't voiced any concerns or objections. If you do have concerns or objections, please, leave them on the talk page or now, the article's WP:FLC nomination as we are promoting the article for FLC. I hope to be more considerate of other users' feelings next time. Cheers. σмgнgσмg (talk)  03:00, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm just wondering, why do you want to split the certifications into two separate columns? It looks messier, especially here where some singles do not have certifications in Canada. So I've changed the tables for albums and the certifications of singles. σмgнgσмg (talk) 03:22, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Also, space should not be an issue here. If someone wants to add align="center", let them. σмgнgσмg (talk) 03:26, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Delaying the voting
I've undid the changes you made, when you based it on the vote we had awhile ago. I must stress that the article should remain stable for the time being, as it is under the WP:FLC nomination. If we must have a vote, please, hold it off until the FLC discussion finishes and the vote should occur outside Talk:Carrie Underwood discography so other experienced editors can peer review the article and judge for themselves. I understand this might be frustrating as the vote seemed to go your way, but let's delay this for awhile until the nomination finishes. Cheers. σмgнgσмg (talk) 06:36, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Compromise
I know that I've been a real pain in the arse the last couple of months, for that I apologise. I have taken abroad your suggestions on the 'aligning left' of the albums, but it does look really messy. Take a look and see what you think. As for the certifications table, leave it as it is, because it'll be a hassle and more messy if other countries such as Australia might certify Carrie Underwood's albums/singles in the future. σмgнgσмg (talk) 06:44, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

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Before He Cheats
Hey, in regards to the organisation of "Before He Cheats" by Carrie Underwood on her page, "Before He Cheats" shouldn't be in the "other charted singles" field, because it went seamlessly from being an album cut to a single. If it were a case like Shiftwork, which entered as an album cut, fell out, and then re-entered once it became a single, then we list it separately. If you need further information, leave a message on my talk page or just ask TenPoundHammer. That's where I got his wording from. Cheers. σмgнgσмg (talk) 00:48, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Although the song seemlessly become a single from an album cut, it was still once "other charted songs," and we have to put it into separated column. Whether seemlessly or not, IT WAS STILL AN OTHER CHARTED SONG! by Langdon (talk) 01:46, 20 April 2008 (UTC)i7114080
 * The table for other charted songs is for songs which were not officially released as a single but charted due to unsolicted airply. "Before He Cheats" was released as a single, and hence, it is an official single, thus, it does not belong in the "Other charted songs" table. σмgнgσмg (talk)  01:51, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
 * nonsense actually. Before He Cheat is not released 20 weeks ago when it charted. At that time it was an album cut and other charted song. by Langdon (talk) 02:02, 20 April 2008 (UTC)i7114080
 * I agree with Omghgomg here. "Before He Cheats" did go straight from album cut to single. Therefore, we can list it under the singles table with a footnote that says that it charted before it was released. No need to list it twice — it's not like Shiftwork or Suspicions, which entered as an album cut, then fell out. If you disagree, you might want to file a request for comment. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 02:05, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

I disagree, but never mind. (No one actually approves my suggestions!) by Langdon (talk) 02:08, 20 April 2008 (UTC)i7114080


 * I've filed a WP:RFC to get an experienced editor to take a look at this and see what they think. So, we'll see what happens. σмgнgσмg (talk)  02:19, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

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June 2008
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Question
You and I seem to be butting heads over this and I think it's time that we addressed it. Why are you removing wiki-links from various discography articles? The links are to articles that deal with information directly related to aspects of the discography articles, namely what the different certifications of various organizations created for the purpose of tracking album sales or shipments mean.Odin&#39;s Beard (talk) 23:32, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Langdon (talk) 02:33, 25 June 2008 (UTC)i7114080
 * 1) the link at the top is enough.
 * 2) we write US because someone may not know what RIAA is. write US is more obvious.

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United World Chart
Why do you keep re-adding the United World Chart to the discography pages? This afd made it pretty clear that the World chart is not notable and should not be included on discography pages. It seems to be a small indie chart with no verifiability; it's not recognized by the IFPI. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 18:20, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * For the second time, please quit adding the world chart. It's not an officially recognized chart, even if it is "worldwide" and it shows up on a lot of discographies. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 20:49, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It does make sense. But PLEASE DO NOT DELETE THE REFERENCE, because it's a reference for Canadian Hot 100 chart.Langdon (talk) 20:57, 17 August 2008 (UTC)i7114080
 * Whoops, my bad. I deleted the wrong reference. I meant to delete the reference for the world chart. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 20:57, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * it is ok.Langdon (talk) 20:59, 17 August 2008 (UTC)i7114080

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Keith Urban discography
I'm just curious, where did you get the Australian country chart peaks from? Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 14:35, 9 October 2008 (UTC)


 * It's here:, there are a current chart and a 2007 year-end chart. Langdon (talk) 22:52, 9 October 2008 (UTC)i7114080

Dashes
MOS:DISCOG recommends the dashes. Note that we used them on Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 04:51, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Diamond Rio discography
Hey, I noticed that you're involved in discographies. Care to take a look at Diamond Rio discography? It's undergoing a feature list vote right now. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 02:36, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Re: Diamond Rio Discography
See Featured list candidates/Diamond Rio discography/archive1. People gave comments that the notes take away from the table, and reduce the "prettiness" of it. <span style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica;color:steelblue;">X clamation point  02:49, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

dashes
Sorry about that, I think I got carried away. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 23:53, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Taylor Swift
What is your deal with the Taylor Swift discography? Your not providing an edit summary for what your doing. Also, anytime the Top 40 Mainstream chart is listed in a table, the proper name to list it is "US T40 Main", which is correct. Just "US Main" is invalid. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 01:55, 20 November 2008 (UTC)


 * It's just not correct. Like you said, for the Mainstream Rock Tracks, it should be "US Main Rock" or "US Mod Rock", but this is different. Top 40 Mainstream..."US T40 Main", what's wrong with that? I personally don't think anything is wrong with it as "US T40 Main". Also, I don't like using "US Top 40" either, it just looks out of place. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 13:29, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Australian peaks
Can you please help me add the Australian country peaks to discography articles? Thanks. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 21:32, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Dashes
I saw your post on TenPoundHammer's page.

Dashes are a subject of debate on Wikipedia. I've seen an admin. somewhere (I'll have to look for that) commenting that dashes are the way to go; that way, it doesn't look like you just overlooked the data, but clearly that it was not found. I share that view and think the dashes are constructive on the page, hence why I also earlier reverted your revert of his edit after his complaints on TPH's page. You will also note, looking at the Kenny Rogers page, that I've also "dashed" his discography as well, and once I'm done putting in albums, I will spend a bit of time looking in the listed charts and additional worldwide charts (expanding the table as I go) to see if albums and singles charted there.

I also saw that EnDaLeCoMpLeX took out a citation you added with his earlier edit, and put it back in with my edit.

I myself am interested in improvement of country music articles. That's probably why I hang around TPH's page and try to help out. I'm heading over to check out the Sugarland discography right now to see what's happened today. In fact, I am also interested in your views on the progress of Rogers' discography and his album articles. =) CycloneGU (talk) 03:45, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Rascal Flatts, LeAnn Rimes discographies
Can i kindly ask you to stop using a color code legend on the discographies of Rascal Flatts and LeAnn Rimes, and Sugarland as well. This is not the way discographies are designed on Wikipedia. I suggest to discuss your ideas before you make drastic changes to discographies such as this one. I in fact do not have to discuss my ideas with making that type of album discography for LeAnn Rimes because it is the REQUIREMENT OF ALL DISCOGRAHIES. It just took some time for country music articles to adapt the idea. For reference see the discographies of Carrie Underwood and Diamond Rio, which are both FEATURED WIKIPEDIA ARTICLES. This is basically how they should be set up. Using a strange-colored legend will make any reader reading the discography confused. Dottiewest1fan (talk) 02:52, 29 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I wasn't trying to be rude, in fact I was trying to help you. You must think what would be easier for the reader to view on the page. Adding a colored legend only confuses people and adding such marks as colons and asterisks only confuses the reader even more. It's much easier to have a unified system. It's easy to understand why it works so well, this is how it is used on every good discography article on Wikipedia. If it didn't work, then I wouldn't use it you see. Please don't threaten me or any other users with saying you will readd the legend. This only makes more problems, so please don't threaten others. I hope you will understand. Dottiewest1fan (talk) 19:45, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Reply
I'm sorry if you thought I was being rude. I wasn't trying to be, I was just aggravated. I really do appreciate you keeping a calmness with your post, and I have a few things to say. The things is, other times people have said that filling in the boxes with the dashes and denoting it at the bottom, which is what I do. "&mdash;" denotes the single failed to chart, or not released." Canadian chart positions are unknown from November 2000 to June 2004." I don't see why dashes can't go in those boxes from 2000 to 2004.

When their are empty ones, it could be confusing to the reader why some boxes have those and some don't. I even had my mom look at one of the discographies, and she asked "why are lines in some of the rows, and others not?" I'm in the middle of getting Billy Ray Cyrus discography to FL, and I was told to make a note about the Pop 100. I was told to use "The Pop 100 was created until 2005". You can see everything at Billy Ray Cyrus discography.

I've only complained to other users because you don't seem to listen to me, or just listen at all. Thats what aggravated me the most that wouldn't listen. I told User:Dottiewest1fan about removing the format field in table formats, but that didn't work out to well. I think its useless, and makes the tables too large. If someone wants to see the format, thats what the album page is for. IMO, I don't have a problem with repetition. It doesn't bother me. I think all albums should be exactly the same, even if they all have been released on the same label, like Rascal Flatts. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 19:40, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

AUS country
Are you keeping track of which song is at #1 in Australia? Is it still Start a Band? Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 19:46, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
 * When does the new Australian chart come out? Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 21:48, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks. I updated it with the new #1. Do you know what was #1 in Australia before Start a Band? Also, I think we should just go Top 10 or Top 5 with the Australian songs, since their chart has only 30 positions. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 01:10, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Would you blokes have a look at the Bush ballads article and see what you think? I'm just a sepo. ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:42, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Pop 100
Do you know why country songs aren't allowed to chart on the Pop 100 anymore? EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 20:20, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Well it is still a notable chart, so nahh, I think it can stay. I also noticed that the Sugarland song didn't chart, so I was shocked at that. Taylor Swift, I don't exactly consider her country anymore. She too pop now. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 00:31, 7 January 2009 (UTC)