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Your submission at Articles for creation: Jonathon Green (photographer) (June 20)
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Hoary (talk) 22:51, 20 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello Hoary,
 * Thanks for reviewing my article on Jonathan Green. I have a few questions. I can easily see why the anecdote of Minor White's being "equivocal" about Green wanting to do an issue on the Snapshot is not easily supported by a verifiable source. You ask: What reliable sources are there for this kind of material? "Reliable Sources" is indeed the issue. Other books such as Peter Bunnell's biography of Minor White, The Eye that Shapes have similar examples of interpersonal divergences, but here too, many are merely anecdotal rather than scientifically proven. Take for example Bunnell's comment about White and Ansel Adams: "The two men become friends, and for the next decade share an approach to the aesthetics of photographic technique and the interpretation of subject matter. Later, their ideas will diverge, with White often being critical of Adam's rejection of the psychoanalytic basis of making and interpreting photographs...." p5. Such sentences are not necessarily in an encyclopedic style and such stories are handed down and are probably closer to something called "Remembering Minor White", rather than verifiable facts.
 * There are other similar anecdotal statements in my article, and I can certainly either omit them or search for more convincingly verifiable sources.
 * But I do not understand why the section Education and University Affiliation presents information that is not verified by the entire article itself. Is your point that there is no citation whatsoever for the Education and University Affiliation section? I can understand that. But many of the other citations in this article certainly show that Green held these university positions. And if you go online using Google and search "MIT Jonathan Green", for example, out of the first 19 references that come up 9 clearly state that Green was a professor at MIT. The third reference summary from the NYT for example: Minor White Gathers Final M.I.T. Show - The New York Times,  reads "Mar 1, 1974 — White and Jonathan Green, his colleague in the photography program at M.I.T., is a show of 77 works by 69 photographers." The same is true for references to Green at OSU and UCR. For the section Education and University Affiliation can I reuse existing references, such as footnote 1, already used in the first section, or 39, 41 or 44 for example, to show that Green was at OSU? Would every fact here, including the undergraduate colleges and academic honors have to be referenced by a citation? Would something like the facts stated in PraBook or in Who's Who work? See: https://prabook.com/web/jonathan.green/1719246.
 * It would certainly be very helpful for my revision to this article if you could single out a few more instances where you feel adequately supported reliable sources are not used.
 * I do understand that Wikipedia is not Google and that Wikipedia's veracity is one of its major attributes. And I'm certainly not opposed to correcting, polishing, and verifying every statement in my article. I'll take any further suggestions you have with gratitude and hope I come closer to Wikipedia's quality as I revise.
 * Thanks! IBalancedAll (talk) 22:16, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

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 I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Jonathan Green (photographer). Thanks! Hoary (talk) 23:07, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Jonathan Green (photographer) has been accepted
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 * Hi IBalancedAll, I suggest splitting out some of his more notable books into separate articles such as The Snapshot, American Photography: A Critical History, etc. Currently the article is a bit long and some of his books actually warrant stand-alone articles about them (see WP:NBOOKS, a couple in-depth reviews from reputable critics meets notability).  Take a look at Stephen King for an idea of an author of many notable works.  I suggest this King because it is well-written and he is diverse.  You also do need to declare you COI on your User page.  You have been very transparent so just "paperwork" so to speak.    See WP:COIDECLARE.  I will keep an eye on your talk page in case you have questions, etc. Also, the Teahouse is great place for general editing questions.  S0091 (talk) 18:12, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Linking current articles to recently accepted submission.
 * Hello S0091, Thanks for accepting the article about Jonathan Green on October 28. Now that it is up, can I go to the two dozen or so Wikipedia articles that already reference Jonathan Green and link his name back to the recently accepted article?
 * To point out just a few of these articles, these include Further Reading in Robert Frank and Minor White, and references and citations in Wexner Center for the Arts, Aperture Magazine, Camera Work, Guerrillero Heroico, Che Guevara in Popular Culture, and Jacqueline Livingston. I see you updated the link in Nancy Rexroth and Arnie Zane on October 28. And somehow an updated link has already been made in Pedro Meyer, though there is no indication of a change in View History (perhaps by a bot?).
 * Thanks as well for your other suggestions. I have now added the UserboxCOI to IBalancedAll user page. And I am considering ways to implement your other suggestions. Genuine thanks for your support, IBalanced All IBalancedAll (talk) 23:24, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
 * To point out just a few of these articles, these include Further Reading in Robert Frank and Minor White, and references and citations in Wexner Center for the Arts, Aperture Magazine, Camera Work, Guerrillero Heroico, Che Guevara in Popular Culture, and Jacqueline Livingston. I see you updated the link in Nancy Rexroth and Arnie Zane on October 28. And somehow an updated link has already been made in Pedro Meyer, though there is no indication of a change in View History (perhaps by a bot?).
 * Thanks as well for your other suggestions. I have now added the UserboxCOI to IBalancedAll user page. And I am considering ways to implement your other suggestions. Genuine thanks for your support, IBalanced All IBalancedAll (talk) 23:24, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks as well for your other suggestions. I have now added the UserboxCOI to IBalancedAll user page. And I am considering ways to implement your other suggestions. Genuine thanks for your support, IBalanced All IBalancedAll (talk) 23:24, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

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