User talk:IIIIIlllll

June 2024
Hello. Some of your recent genre changes, such as the one you made to Grimes, have conflicted with our neutral point of view and/or verifiability policies. While we invite all users to contribute constructively to Wikipedia, we urge all editors to provide reliable sources for edits made. When others disagree, we recommend you seek consensus for certain edits by discussing the matter on the article's talk page. Please do not remove sourced genres just because you don't agree with them. Bowling is life (talk) 17:53, 4 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hello,
 * Thank you for your message. I appreciate the importance of maintaining a neutral point of view and ensuring verifiability on Wikipedia. I'd like to provide some context regarding my recent edits to the genre listed for Grimes.
 * In my research, I found that none of Grimes' albums are listed as dreampop on RateYourMusic (RYM), a well-regarded music database. Additionally, I have not found substantial evidence in her music to categorize it as dreampop.
 * Regarding the sources cited in the list of dreampop artists article, I have concerns about their reliability. For instance, the writer of the AV Club article (link) does not appear to be a music journalist or reviewer. Similarly, the Independent article (link) does not provide a strong basis for this genre classification.
 * I believe it is crucial to use reliable sources when categorizing an artist's genre. I would be happy to discuss this further on the article's talk page to reach a consensus.
 * Thank you for your understanding. IIIIIlllll (talk) 19:22, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Rate Your Music is not an acceptable source nor a reliable source for Wikipedia. So, whatever genres RYM calls her music is irrelevant. All three sources that support the genre in Grimes' article are reliable (see WP:RSMUSIC) and they all call her music dream pop. I can always find more sources if these three don't cut it. My first message was about how you removed a sourced genre based on your opinion, which is considered disruptive on Wikipedia. Bowling is life (talk) 20:24, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello
 * In my research, I reviewed 18 reputable sources recommended by Wikipedia (allmusic.com, anydecentmusic.com, avclub.com, bbc.com, billboard.com, bostonglobe.com, businessinsider.com canoe.com, clashmusic.com, cmj.com, complex.com consequence.net, pitchfork.com, thewire.co.uk, rollingstone.com, npr.org, nme.com and spin.com ) for album reviews. Out of these, only three mentioned dream-pop in relation to Grimes. One source mentioned it as a genre, another referred to her transition from making "weird amateur dream pop" to a more controlled pop sound, and the third mentioned dream-pop as one of several styles she incorporates.
 * Given this limited evidence, it seems that dream-pop is not a predominant or widely recognized genre for Grimes. Most sources do not categorize her music as dream-pop, which suggests that it might not be the most accurate genre label for her work.
 * I believe it is important to reflect the majority view of reliable sources in her genre classification.
 * ystävällisin terveisin
 * IIIIIlllll IIIIIlllll (talk) 15:13, 5 June 2024 (UTC)