User talk:IJBall/Archive 23

List of awards and nominations received by Jennifer Lawrence
Say, is there a reason why List of awards and nominations received by Jennifer Lawrence does not use Template:Infobox actor awards? --Gonnym (talk) 15:30, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
 * No, no idea – I only watch that one because it's an WP:FL that I watch for WP:ACCESS violations in the table, because whenever anyone asks, "What is a WP:ACCESS-compliant table is supposed to look like?", I point to that article because it's a WP:FL that is (usually) compliant. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:03, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Oh lol. Thought you were actively working on it. --Gonnym (talk) 16:20, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Nah – I've never gotten through a WP:FL process. I started on it once, for List of British Columbia general elections, but I got distracted and never finished it. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:29, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Nickelodeon
Not counting Hunter Street and I Am Frankie since they're serialized, for scripted comedy, Nickelodeon only has Henry Danger, Game Shakers, Knight Squad, and now Cousins for Life. Game Shakers is canceled, leaving basically just Henry Danger, Knight Squad, and Cousins for Life. And Henry Danger is most likely done after the fifth season, which would just leave us with Knight Squad and Cousins for Life. Why isn't Nickelodeon ordering more scripted comedies like Disney Channel!? They can order more Henry Danger episodes, but not more comedies? Amaury ( talk &#124; contribs ) 01:49, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Let me answer that this way – Nick seems to go through periods where I watch it, and periods where I don't. In general, the latter seem to be those periods where Nick focuses more on Nicktoons, and ignores its scripted fare. I suspect we're entering another period like that with Nick – I get the impression that they're more interested in doing shows like The Loud House, and less interested in doing scripted shows like Knight Squad... However, it's worth noting that Nick probably has enough episodes of Henry Danger now to last them another year. On my end, I'll simply be satisfied with them finally airing the last 11 episodes of Game Shakers – it's been eight months since they last aired an episode (if they wait much longer, it'll be a year!!). --IJBall (contribs • talk) 02:08, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't know why they're treating Game Shakers like crap. First, they cancel it while it was doing a little better in the ratings department compared to Knight Squad; now this. (So much for that Schneider bias people kept claiming Nick had.) In 2016 and 2017, it also went on hiatus in late May, but returned in September. This year it went on hiatus earlier, and not only that, but got moved to Sundays alongside School of Rock, beginning with the second episode of the third season. At the very least, it should have also been back on September 22. They could have put it at 9:00 PM as well, for all I care. School of Rock got better treatment. The only other recent series that were treated well are The Thundermans and Nicky, Ricky, Dicky & Dawn. Also, even if their animation department isn't that much: SpongeBob SquarePants, The Loud House. The Adventures of Kid Danger, and Rise of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. And they only have Los Casagrandes upcoming; plus, The Adventures of Kid Danger is unknown at this point, leaving us with basically only SpongeBob, Loud House, and Rise of the TMNT. Amaury ( talk &#124; contribs ) 02:26, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Something else of note. According to Nickandmore, Henry Dangers fourth season and Game Shakers third season were both originally ordered 20 production episodes, but Henry Dangers fourth season ended up with 22 production episodes and Game Shakers third season ended up with 18 production episodes. Bet you can guess what happened. Two of Game Shakers' episodes ended up going to Henry Danger, if that makes sense. Never heard of that before with series, have you? Amaury ( talk &#124; contribs ) 18:15, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Talk:The X Factor (Australia)
Could you fix Talk:The X Factor (Australia)? For some reason this is the primary page and Talk:The X Factor (Australian TV series) is the redirect. --Gonnym (talk) 20:46, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I think I've fixed this now... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:57, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Arrow (season 7)
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Arrow (season 7). — Lbtocthtalk  11:50, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

LTPHarry
Something to keep an eye on. Just did a mass revert of this user who provided unjustifiable reasons for removal. Amaury ( talk &#124; contribs ) 01:36, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I think I saw one of their edits somewhere today, and wasn't sure what they were talking about/why they removed what they did. At the least, they need to explain what they're doing, yeah... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 02:19, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Please note how this user has signed their name on your Talk page. (Now I'm smelling a rat – we've had problematic "Luigu/Mario"-named editors before...) --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:45, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Sybil (1976 film)
The film Sybil (1976 film) article title does not match the lead or infobox. The title calls it a film, while the lead calls it a miniseries with two episodes. IMDB also calls this a miniseries. Wasn't sure if to tag it or not. What do you think? --Gonnym (talk) 08:54, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I have revised the article, esp. to remove the term "miniseries", as neither source used at the article describes it that way. However, this kind of thing is a recurring problem – what to do with "two-parters"?! (And there are far more of these on UK TV than on American TV...) We're going to have the same issue again, when we hit "two-part OVAs" as well. In general, two-parters are not described as "miniseries" (or even as "series", AFAICT), because miniseries are nearly always three-parts or more. But it is also awkward to call a two-parter "a film". For now, that seems how a number of these are disambiguated though, as "(film)". But I wonder if this is widely satisfactory. Still, I'm not sure what else to call them, as neither "miniseries" or "series" seems correct for two-parters either... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 13:26, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
 * More: called a "television movie" by LA Times and NPR. I'm not finding (reputable) instances where this is called a "miniseries" – most seem to call it a "television movie"... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 18:29, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Dog with a Blog
Keep an eye on this. Names per credits, etc. I wouldn't really be able to check this now unless I bought an episode—and I don't think the series is on Disney NOW—but I know for sure the starring credits did not say who played him, only "Stephen Full as The Voice of Stan." And I don't think the end credits had who portrayed him, so who voiced him seems to be the only important part here; otherwise the dog actor would have been credited. When I cleaned up the infobox, however, to be per credits, I did do it based on episodes I had saved on my DVR—one from each season—and I don't remember there being anything about who portrayed Stan. Amaury ( talk &#124; contribs ) 17:18, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I agree with you on the first part of the edit. But the second part of that edit looks legit to me, as it's sourceable... That said, I'm wondering if that belongs in the 'Cast' section, or if it should go under 'Production'/'Casting'. I think saying who played Stan could go in the 'Cast' section. But the whole thing about how the dog playing Stan left the show probably belongs under 'Production'/'Casting'... FWIW. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:52, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
 * They did it again, ignoring WP:TVCAST. Here. You wanna get it this time? Take a look at the rest of their edits as well to make sure there are no issues there, either. Amaury ( talk &#124; contribs ) 00:15, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ – reverted that edit, as per WP:TVCAST. The rest of the edits were fine, as they added the info to the 'Production' section, where I'd say it properly belongs (though that second ref they added looks like it might be questionable to me...). I fixed one mistake they made in a ref pub date. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 01:59, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

Request
Hi, I have a quick request if you wouldn't mind helping. I came across a credit for a transgender director for the most recent episode of Nightflyers, however no one has bothered to change the page name to reflect this persons new name. Would you mind taking a look at the Michael J. Bassett wikipedia page, and moving it to M. J. Bassett to reflect her new name? I think that's the given protocol for something like this right? Thanks. Esuka323 (talk) 04:01, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Here's the issue as I see it – there is nothing at the article that confirms this, or the name change. All of the current sourcing at the article refers to the subject as "Michael". For comparison, when I look at Nicole Maines, it's all there in the article, sourced. My advice? – Start a WP:RM on this, and while that proceeds, I'd look for sourcing that establish/confirms the name change, etc. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 06:00, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks anyway, but it's probably not worth the effort. They were never really high profile in the industry to have a lot of articles talking about them. They are on Twitter, see . And there is this variety article . Though the twitter account isn't verified, if you look back it quite clearly is the real deal. It just doesn't seem right that a transgender person has their old name listed as the article name on Wikipedia. Esuka323 (talk) 01:02, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Some Wiki subjects may not care (believe it or not!). But, if they do, they can always be pointed to WP:OTRS. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 02:01, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

Bunk'd
I'm sure you still have this and the LOE on your watchlist, but just a heads up that this overzealous or overambitious IP—however you want to describe them—is back. If you don't remember, take a look at the history of both the parent and LOE articles shortly before the third season premiered. Also, ampersands are incorrect; the correct way to do it is with en-dashes. Amaury ( talk &#124; contribs ) 17:11, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television‎
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television‎. As this has to do with the dispute that spilled over onto my talk page (which I wasn't really bothered with), you and might be interested. I'll probably comment myself. Doing some investigating, there was a new episode of The Flash yesterday at 8:00 PM, though those on the West Coast with an East Coast feed could catch it at 5:00 PM. From what I saw, the episode count was updated at 4:59 PM, which was then reverted as the episode hadn't technically started airing yet, and then that revert in turn was reverted. From what I can see, all that is what led to the dispute. Amaury ( talk &#124; contribs ) 17:50, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

Survivor: Fiji
I have a few seasons of the US version of Survivor on my watchlist, but this article I've seen (on at least two occasions) something like this, which I know was done before. Among other problems, the removal of the episode table to put the individual episodes into sections, which is without WP:CONSENSUS. As for the two users involved, not sure yet whether I should file a sockpuppet report (probably couldn't ask for checkuser with the edits months apart). MPFitz1968 (talk) 09:07, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
 * There's no reason to replace templates with non-template versions, so the editing definitely looks disruptive to me. If two editors have done this, and one of them is "new", I'd definitely look for WP:SPI evidence... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 13:23, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I can add a third editor, that made a similar type of edit last month, only at Survivor: China (the season after Fiji) . Been trying to scan thru the edit histories of other old US Survivor seasons (season 20, Heroes vs. Villians, and all those prior), but I can't seem to find anything else at the moment. I'll make note that all three editors have never been blocked, and their only editing was a one-time thing (one edit, or a group of edits confined to a very short period of time), confined to just one article apiece - I'm thinking WP:SPAs for all three. MPFitz1968 (talk) 16:30, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

Move request
Hey, could you move Queen Radio (Nicki Minaj Radio) over the redirect Queen Radio? I'm pretty sure the redirect is for this series, but the target article doesn't even mention it. --Gonnym (talk) 23:03, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Now up at AfD – Articles for deletion/Queen Radio (Nicki Minaj Radio). Best to wait for that to conclude first, now. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 00:24, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Henry Danger
Amaury ( talk &#124; contribs ) 14:33, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Interesting that they film this close to Christmas... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:06, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

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While I'm still fairly behind in viewing, as is clear by how many rows are creditless for the various series, I'm all caught up with information stuff. Amaury ( talk &#124; contribs ) 03:10, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:It's a Laugh Productions
I have created that section on its talk page but no one responded to this query. A few new shows on Disney Channel are coming in January and two of them will be produced by the company.

Because of this their filmography is bloating up really slowly. In addition to this, they had produced four movies three for TV one for theaters. Is it a good idea to have the filmography getting split to its own page?

Please reply back about this as soon as possible.

Cheers,

47.16.146.238 (talk) 21:59, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Do you have any idea what this is in regards to? I feel like there was something about this a couple of days ago, but IIRC it was just trolling... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:28, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I have no idea. Although this isn't the first time. See User talk:Geraldo Perez. was also confused, though he has since reverted their edits there and on Talk:Bunk'd. Amaury ( talk &#124; contribs ) 22:40, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Disambig merge
Do you think The Avenger, The Avengers and Avenger should be merged? --Gonnym (talk) 00:25, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Hmmm... That's a lot of different entries in each one of those. I'd check for duplicate entries... Of these, the most logical merge candidates would be Avenger and The Avenger – if there are a fair number of duplicate entries, I might be included to merge those two. But I think I'd leave Avengers/The Avengers as a separate WP:DABPAGE. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 01:30, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Did you notice that Avengers leads to The Avengers? It's all messed up there. --Gonnym (talk) 14:43, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I did notice that – that's why I think I'd merge Avenger into The Avenger, and convert the former into a redirect to the latter, just as is done with Avengers redirecting to The Avengers. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 14:45, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Big Time Rush
Unless I missed something, there was no discussion whatsoever about the move or any formal !vote move request. The TV series is clearly the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC over the band article. I believe the move to (TV series) should be reverted with discussion encouraged, but I will let you handle it. Amaury ( talk &#124; contribs ) 14:50, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I have reverted that move. This was previously discussed at Talk:Big Time Rush (band), where the clear consensus was that the TV series was the primary topic. This shouldn't be moved without another WP:RM. I will post to the talk page about this. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 14:59, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
 * FWIW, based on page views, this is probably a WP:NOPRIMARY two-dabs situation, so another WP:RM may be in order here. But this should be done through a WP:RM, not without discussion. I'm going to ping here so he can see this too. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:06, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Last discussion opposed the swap of primary that was proposed but seemed amenable to both articles disambiguated with a dab page at the topic. Another RM looks appropriate. Geraldo Perez (talk) 15:43, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Archive
Hi IJBall, Nothing has happened there in 3 months so would it be easier if I closed that discussion as the closure then solidify the consensus there, Any future image changes should be reverted, Cheers, – Davey 2010 Talk 20:50, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, but it's easier to refer to the "Talk page" when reverting than the "Talk page archives" (esp. for newbs and IPs). Also, I'm a believer that at these lower-traffic article Talk pages topics should be left up for a least 1 year before archiving – that particular topic is only 3 months old, and leaving it as the only topic on the Talk page shouldn't be a big deal... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:53, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Okay no worries, Thanks, – Davey 2010 Talk 21:04, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Nickelodeon Original: Bixler High Private Eye
Coming January: Trailer. Amaury ( talk &#124; contribs ) 02:36, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Added to List of Nickelodeon original films. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 04:26, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

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I love unnecessary drama, don't you?
I love it when people have to make a mountain out of a molehill. See here. The phrases "no problems" and "no worries" are apparently now controversial if said in another language. At least that is how I am reading it. Amaury ( talk &#124; contribs ) 20:01, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

Knight Squad
I'll let you handle it this time. Not notable, either. Someone like Colosso is someone whose voice actor is notable, but this "character" doesn't even have any lines. No special guest star credit or ties to another Nickelodeon series (eg, Lizzy Greene). Amaury ( talk &#124; contribs ) 21:08, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅. I've made some other changes that you may, or may not, agree with. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 21:52, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
 * The other changes are fine given the circumstances and the no character names. Also, to answer this: 100 Things to Do Before High School. Amaury ( talk &#124; contribs ) 22:02, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Ah! You can add that one back, then. Also, I've responded at the Talk page. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:04, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

Fradio71
What do you make of this user? This is the same user who reverted you to restore the Mack Chat content. I'm dealing with them now on Fuller House. Amaury ( talk &#124; contribs ) 05:42, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
 * It’s not my fault that the term “plot hole” was being used so incorrectly, and then doubled down on. If the crux of the argument for inclusion is “It’s a major plot hole” but yet “plot hole” is used incorrectly, then why should it be there?--Fradio71 (talk) 06:36, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
 * You might have a stronger case if you didn't stalk people, like you just did. Amaury ( talk &#124; contribs ) 06:40, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Once again, you’re using a term loosely to justify your missteps. You could have come to my talk page or the article talk page firstinstead of going right to an admin just because a user disagrees with you--Fradio71 (talk) 06:54, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

Champions
Just finished rewriting the Production section from scratch in my personal page: User:Amaury/sandbox/Champions. Does this read okay? On June 29, 2018, it was announced that the series was canceled by NBC after one season, though it was also announced that the producers would try to find a new home for it. On September 13, 2018, it was announced that the series had failed to find a new home. Amaury ( talk &#124; contribs ) 04:53, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I would try to combine those two sentences. Something like, NBC canceled the series after one season on June 29, 2018.[source] The show's producers announced that they would try to shop Champions to other outlets,[source] but in September 2018 it was confirmed that the series had failed to find a new home.[source] --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:29, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:New Warriors (TV series)
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:New Warriors (TV series). — Lbtocthtalk  19:26, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

Use of "present" in an episode list section heading
I've seen this at Hotel Transylvania: The Series (e.g., ), and now at List of Elena of Avalor episodes. This appears to be a gray area in the MOS:TV (I brought this up at WT:MOSTV here a month ago), so it's possible WP:LOCALCONSENSUS applies. Or does it? Any thoughts? MPFitz1968 (talk) 18:46, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
 * No, it's wrong – AFAIAC, WP:TVSEASONYEAR is very clear on this. These should be reverted. If it continues to be an issue with disruptive IP editing, I'd report it to both WT:MOSTV and WT:TV, and ask for backup from other editors there. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:17, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
 * On a separate, but related, issue concerning List of Elena of Avalor episodes ... could use more eyes, with an IPv6 putting in the year 2019 in the section heading for season 2, a la . MPFitz1968 (talk) 17:48, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Christmas 2018
Merry Christmas! Amaury ( talk &#124; contribs ) 17:02, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

A record
Still catching up on DVR recordings. Want to be all caught up before my break ends the middle of next week. Going through comedies first, then I'll do the dramas. User:Amaury/sandbox/Single Parents. See episode 9. That has to be a record number of absences for a typical comedy series. Amaury ( talk &#124; contribs ) 02:12, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

Henry Danger season test pages
Why aren't they working like they should be? The season pages, such as here, should have the episode summaries. It's only the LOE that should have no summaries. However, even my season pages don't have summaries. I used The Middle as a guideline to make these season pages, and everything should be correct. Amaury ( talk &#124; contribs ) 22:40, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
 * It has something to do with the use of 'Episode list/sublist|Henry Danger (season 1)' – I think the issue may be that "Henry Danger (season 1)" doesn't match the title of your actual sandbox page... I'm not sure, but you may not be able to do what you're trying to do in your sandbox pages. You're probably going to need to ask somebody more knowledgeable about use of Episode list/sublist... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 09:08, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
 * No worries. It's not a huge deal. Just thought you might know. They're only test pages, and with season splits not seeming likely, even with a fifth season, there's really no need for them. Amaury ( talk &#124; contribs ) 15:10, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

Emu's TV Series
Just noticed you haven't given any article title in your nomination of this. --Gonnym (talk) 11:28, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:19, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

Bullies
It's definitely a good thing you're not a Twitterer. I decided to leave that GC. Whether permanent or temporary, only time will tell. Some people think they can say whatever they want, making comments about how Jace Norman is apparently an ass and Nickelodeon should have never hired him. I don't care what they say, that's bullying. All they seem to do—some of them—is talk shit about everything almost all of the time. If they don't like so and so series, they talk shit about it and talk shit about X network. If you don't like a series, the answer is simple: Don't watch it. Don't waste your energy talking shit about it. Or make comments like Nickelodeon is dead because Henry Danger is the only relevant series. Clearly, Nickelodeon is nowhere near dead since, as a matter of fact, they're still very heavily promoting viewing their series on television and clearly Henry Danger is not the only popular series. On the other hand, Disney Channel promotes things like Disney Channel NOW more as they don't care that much about television ratings, from my understanding since they don't have typical commercials. I'm just not going to be in a chat that is virtually something but a negative bashing chat. Amaury ( talk &#124; contribs ) 02:05, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Who Is America?
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Who Is America?. — Lbtocthtalk  01:12, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Update: Right after I messaged you, the discussion became closed. So, please ignore this. — Lbtocthtalk  02:33, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Update: It became open again suddenly. — Lbtocth<sup style="color: #2D68C4F">talk  21:46, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

Question on "Main" template
Question: So when I list things in my sandbox, I of course do something like Beyond (2017 TV series) to hide the unnecessary sandbox portion, resulting in Beyond (2017 TV series). No different than when adding a simple link, just like at the beginning of my first sentence here (my sandbox). For series in my sandbox where I have an LOE, such as Young Sheldon, after "Main Page," do you know if it's possible to display it without the "User:Amaury/sandbox/" portion? The vertical pipe method only works with regular internal links, not with something like that. Amaury ( talk &#124; contribs ) 04:57, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * The template Main documentation says yes – you do (updated): . I think that should work... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 06:45, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Hm. That just redirects me to the live Young Sheldon article (since it hasn't been split). Must be akin to the season test pages I had, in that for some reason it won't work within sandbox pages. Amaury ( talk &#124; contribs ) 06:59, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I think I fixed it... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 07:04, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Oh. I'm an idiot. I didn't see the first "1=." Time to get the rest. Add: And the "l" before the second "1=." Amaury ( talk &#124; contribs ) 07:07, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

Happy New Year, IJBall!
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New Year's 2019
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Latest edits to 100 Things to Do Before High School and Legendary Dudas
Defining for those series? Amaury ( talk &#124; contribs ) 03:26, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 * 100 Things to Do Before High School? Probably, yes. Legendary Dudas? You'd know better than I would, but I would think "no" – that was a "family sitcom" first, right? i.e. not primarily set in a school, but with plenty of scenes "at home"? --IJBall (contribs • talk) 04:12, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Most scenes for Legendary Dudas took place at school, from what I remember. Amaury ( talk &#124; contribs ) 04:39, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Probably your call, then. The Nick press release does say "...When Sam unexpectedly skips a grade and lands in his popular older brother's seventh grade homeroom class, life at Fenski Middle School is never the same...", so that does imply that Nick thought the school part was a "primary" element of the series. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 04:44, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Making progress!
I'm hoping to be all caught up with DVR by end of day tomorrow since quarter starts Thursday! At the very latest by this weekend, since next week broadcast networks start returning from holiday hiatus. What I have left:
 * A Million Little Things x5 (200~ minutes)
 * The Goldbergs x25 (500~ minutes)
 * The Rookie x6 (240~ minutes)
 * FBI x4 (160~ minutes)
 * Home Alone 3 (105~ minutes)
 * New Amsterdam x5 (200~ minutes)
 * Manifest x6 (240~ minutes)

Total of 1,645 minutes, or 27.4~ hours. For both The Goldbergs and Modern Family, I just ended up deleting a bunch of things and only saving episodes where I liked the plot, with the exception of the current seasons, as there I kept all episodes. It would have just taken too long, considering how long they've already been there for. Although for The Goldbergs, I accidentally deleted episodes 5 and 6 from season 6. 6 is repeating on the 10th, though. I'm sure complete series DVDs will be released once they're done, a la Boy Meets World, and I'll probably buy them if so. Amaury ( talk &#124; contribs ) 07:38, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Names in sources and names in official site bios
Disney ABC Press, etc. A follow up to this: User talk:IJBall/Archive 21

In that discussion, we just covered a couple of "basic" scenarios, in which it was better to go with the official series pickup announcement and the Disney ABC Press bios. How about a situation like this? A Deadline Hollywood article or some other reliable source has last names, but the official site's cast section doesn't. For example, CBS' official pages for The Neighborhood and God Friended Me only have first names for the former and only have the first name for Rakesh for the latter. Meanwhile, The Futon Critic has last names for The Neighborhood and God Friended Me, though for the latter, Rakesh only matters since everyone else has last names on the CBS page. In Rakesh's case, it's Singh, different from what Deadline Hollywood articles had (Sehgal), and I can confirm from catching up yesterday that it is Singh.

To keep this from getting longer, while it's preferred that we go by the official site, Disney ABC Press bios, etc. if those places only have first names, but something else has a last name, like TFC, is it fair to include that? Granted, it's recent and not just from some early point in development. Likewise, for credits. For example, I Am Frankie credits just have Frankie, but earlier sources included last name Gaines. As always, these are my personal pages, so I can do whatever the hell I want, just asking for your opinion as if these were live article situations. Amaury ( talk &#124; contribs ) 17:36, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Short answer – Have a talk page discussion about it. This comes down to Primary vs. Secondary sources, and what's the "WP:COMMONNAME", so it's best to come to a consensus at the article about it... My guess is that most editors' preference would be to list the "full name" as long as at least some WP:RS include it. (My personal view is: 1) Go with what the credits list for the names, as the credits are the "preeminent source", and 2) If the character name isn't included in the credits, then you can use either primary or secondary sources...) But it's best to have a discussion about it, and come to a consensus. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 18:09, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Lip Sync Battle Shorties
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Lip Sync Battle Shorties. Among other problematics. Amaury ( talk &#124; contribs ) 01:48, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Red Table Talk
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Red Table Talk. — <b style="color: #FF69B4;font-family:Georgia;">Lbtocth</b><sup style="color: #2D68C4F">talk  06:55, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

You know what doesn't make sense?
And I believe I brought this up before with Nate from Star Falls. I Feel Bad concluded its first season on Thursday—hopefully not its run as it did a little bit better than Champions—that season of which consisted of 13 episodes. Lily and Louie, Emet and David's children, appeared in all 13 episodes, and yet are only recurring? This is, as mentioned above, similar to Nate from Star Falls, who appeared in 18 of the 20 episodes. Kevin from Beyond makes a little more sense since he only appeared in a few episodes—as starring in the pilot and as a guest star in his three other appearances—40% of the season. However, for Nate, who appeared 90% of the time, and Lily and Louie, who appeared 100% of the time, it doesn't make sense that they're only recurring. Nate, for example, is no different from a main cast character who is absent for 2 out of 20 episodes. And then you have characters like Bret and Chet from Best Friends Whenever who are main characters, but only appeared in 63% of the series. 61% appearances for the first season and 67% appearances for the second season. Amaury ( talk &#124; contribs ) 04:44, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I believe Geraldo has pointed this out previously, but child actors are often treated differently than established (adult) actors. For one thing, they can't work nearly as many hours, by law. So, as a result, it probably significantly cheaper for the studio to employ the child actors, who can't work as many hours anyway, as "recurring" rather than as full-time cast... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:30, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
 * What exactly makes one a child actor, though, in the eyes of television? (Because anyone can be a child. If you wanted to clarify things, you could use "kid" for age–age, teenager for 13–19, and adult for 20+.) For example, essentially all current and past Nickelodeon and Disney Channel series are full of child actors that are main cast members who work the same amount of the time as "adult" actors, especially when those series first began shooting. The Thundermans, Henry Danger, Nicky, Ricky, Dicky & Dawn, Knight Squad, Andi Mack, Raven's Home, Coop & Cami Ask the World, etc. For some examples from there, Maya Le Clark (Chloe), Jason Maybaum (Levi), and Paxton Booth (Ollie) are a few of the youngest actors there and appear the same amount of time as "adult" actors and even more than, say, the twins in Best Friends Whenever, the actors of which are clearly older than those three. (And in the case of Raven's Home, Anneliese van der Pol, an adult, was absent for a little over half of the second season, though I hear that was because she was busy filming some film overseas.) I wonder if there are other factors as well such as character importance to the story, general story, and so on. And I'm sure times have also changed a little bit. I remember reading an article about how Full House had to switch between Mary-Kate Olsen and Ashley Olsen for the Michelle character to be in compliance with child labor laws—once I believe they were old enough to be able to speak lines, as before that, it was just a baby who was just there—though even there we had DJ (Candace Cameron) and Stephanie (Jodie Sweetin) appearing for essentially the entire episode in each episode. So I dunno. lol Again, there may be other factors, because like in my examples above in my OP, Tomaso Sanelli is about the same age as Sienna Agudong, both of who are teenagers, on Star Falls, I would say, a little older than Marcus Cornwall, who was only absent for one episode, and a little younger than Jadiel Dowlin. (Just what I think based on looks, but of course that's not always accurate.) Amaury ( talk &#124; contribs ) 17:20, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Legally, it's based on age. I think a child actor needs to be over 14(?) before you can work them "full-time" in terms of filming. Below that age, children are allowed to work fewer and fewer hours per day, based on how young they are. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 18:17, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Based on Below that age, children are allowed to work fewer and fewer hours per day, based on how young they are (emphasis mine), that means it's not such a black and white rule as I was led to believe by that Full House article, but more that it means that it perhaps falls more on the parents on deciding how much they're willing to let their child film? So a 9 or 10-year-old could work full-time—for example, Jason Maybaum—as long as the parents agree to it and of course the child actor themselves doesn't mind? Amaury ( talk &#124; contribs ) 19:37, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
 * No, there are hard legal rules – below 14 (or whatever), children are under no circumstances "allowed" to work "full time", to prevent the exploitation of children by unscrupulous parents, agents, etc. So there's no way a 10-year-old would be allowed to work full time – if Maybaum is in it a lot, they must be figuring out some way to film him during the limited hours allowed but still have him appear on the show a fair amount. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 01:36, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 * They must be doing something like that in Young Sheldon in particular, because not only is Iain Armitage a main cast member, he's the lead... and 10 years of age. Amaury ( talk &#124; contribs ) 07:22, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Cousins for Life
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Cousins for Life. , Amaury ( talk &#124; contribs ) 03:59, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Episode list template
Can you explain to me what the difference is between Template:Episode list and Template:Episode list/sublist? Also, can you show me an article where RowColor alternates the background row color between light and dark gray, depending on the value of? --Gonnym (talk) 15:58, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
 * The sublist one has to do when there are individual season articles. For example, The Middle (season 1). It allows the summaries to only be shown on the season article, while hidden on the LOE article where the table is called from. The episode list one is when there are just LOE articles with no individual season articles. For example, List of American Housewife episodes. Amaury ( talk &#124; contribs ) 17:12, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Ok, so base named template on lists in one page, and sublist on separate season pages. What about RowColor, do you have an example of that? --Gonnym (talk) 17:22, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Based on the template docs, it sounds like you'd use RowColor in a "non-standard" episodes table – e.g. one that's for "specials" or films", rather than regular episodes(?)... I can't give you an example of its use, as I'm not sure I've ever seen it. A template specialist, like User:Alex 21, may be able to give you better answers. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:29, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Do you have an example of standard rows that alternate colors between rows? That is supposed to be the default behavior but I can't get it to work. --Gonnym (talk) 17:38, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I do not – I've only ever seen that in episode tables that don't use the template(s). (And, FTR, I actually pretty strongly dislike the style of "alternating" row colors...) --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:47, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I had a feeling that could indeed be dead code. Took me a full day to dig through all that code and figure out what was working and what was broken. --Gonnym (talk) 17:50, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Ok, so finally got it to work. It works on the page where the table is written (not transcluded), AND TopColor can't be used AND RowColor should be set to "on". --Gonnym (talk) 18:51, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Manifest (TV series)
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Manifest (TV series). — Young Forever <sup style="color: #2D68C4F">(talk)   14:32, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

Category:Television articles using insufficient disambiguation
I'd like to step our naming fixes up a notch and I'm thinking of sending all the Category:Television articles using insufficient disambiguation into RM. Any thoughts? --Gonnym (talk) 18:07, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Can you give me a week to look at these, now that I have some down-time?... Many of these don't need RM's – they can just be moved. Some others I have been purposely been sitting on as they involve disambiguation from TV series that haven't been released or premiered yet – those ones I don't intend to move until the new shows actually hit air. What's left may require RM's, but I'm thinking that won't be many. --IJBall (contribs • talk)
 * Sure, take all the time you want. Was looking for stuff to do as I'm currently just waiting for some RMs/TfD to finish. --Gonnym (talk) 18:18, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

I've made some progress on these today – one of them went to WP:RM and the others were relatively straightforward. I'll take a break on these now, and maybe try to do some more later tonight, and certainly some more tomorrow... As I've said previously, I'm leaving those of these that need to be disambiguated from an "upcoming" TV series alone for now, until the upcoming series actually premieres. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 21:46, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

The proper way to disambiguate
I'm going through my sandbox now and am finding more pages I can disambiguate than just the Magnum P.I. one you helped out with earlier. I'm coming to you again because I don't want to leave redirects behind. (Like before with Magnum P.I., they'll stay within my userspace.) However, before I request anything official, I'd first like to get your opinion on what the correct disambiguation should be. The following are the pages I'm looking at adding disambiguation to. I'll also provide the current disambiguation for the live articles to see if you think that's already correct. And if you think some are actually correct as is without disambiguation per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, let me know.


 * User:Amaury/sandbox/Champions – Current Live Disambiguation: (U.S. TV series)
 * User:Amaury/sandbox/Grand Hotel – Current Live Disambiguation: (U.S. TV series)
 * This is based on the Spanish Gran Hotel, which itself is disambiguated with (TV series), but notice there's no "D" in the name, whereas in the US version there is.
 * User:Amaury/sandbox/Happy Together – Current Live Disambiguation: (2018 TV series)
 * User:Amaury/sandbox/List of Beyond episodes – List of Beyond episodes does exist for a Singaporean TV series; however, it only lasted 20 episodes (one full season), meaning that the US series has authority over it and should remain as is with no disambiguation and the Singaporean one should actually be merged back. Of course, on the live article, editors wouldn't let us split Beyond to an LOE, but since this is my sandbox, I can do whatever I want.
 * User:Amaury/sandbox/Manifest – Current Live Disambiguation: (TV series)
 * User:Amaury/sandbox/New Amsterdam – Current Live Disambiguation: (2018 TV series)
 * User:Amaury/sandbox/Rise – Current Live Disambiguation: (U.S. TV series)
 * User:Amaury/sandbox/Single Parents – Current Live Disambiguation: (TV series)
 * User:Amaury/sandbox/The Cool Kids – Current Live Disambiguation: (TV series)
 * User:Amaury/sandbox/The Good Doctor – Current Live Disambiguation: (TV series)
 * User:Amaury/sandbox/The Kids Are Alright – Current Live Disambiguation: (TV series)
 * User:Amaury/sandbox/The Neighborhood – Current Live Disambiguation: (TV series)
 * User:Amaury/sandbox/The Rookie – Current Live Disambiguation: (TV series)

Hopefully this isn't too much, and once I do make an official request, it of course doesn't have to be done all at once. Amaury ( talk &#124; contribs ) 18:26, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Because these are your sandbox pages, "correct titling" is less important here... In any case, most of these look right (e.g. New Amsterdam is, because of the 2008 U.S. TV series). Beyond the U.S. TV series actually shouldn't have a separate LoE page – the series itself wasn't long enough – so you can leave your sandbox one where it is. The real List of Beyond episodes is a highly problematic situation, and I've already proposed a WP:MERGE there. Also, the three Beyond TV series should probably be disambiguated "by country" (Canada, Singapore, and U.S.) rather than by year, but that's not your problem. I also wouldn't worry about the Gran Hotel one – let others figure that out. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:29, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Of course. But I still like to do things properly as if they were live articles. Some followup thoughts.
 * Champions just redirects to Champion, but singular and plural are a big difference, in my opinion, so we can ignore tenses, so if hypothetically all we had was Champion and Champions, the latter being the TV series, there is no need to disambiguate the latter. From using the |Champions_(U.S._TV_series)|Champions_(role-playing_game)|Champions_(2016_team)|Champions_(GOOD_Music_song)|Champions_(1975_team)|Champions_(2018_film)|Champions_(Paid_in_Full_song)|Champions_(1984_film)|Champions_(Indian_TV_series) special tool, it seems that Champions (U.S. TV series) has most of the page views, but because it's not too far away from the 2016 team, disambiguation is probably useful. However, just (TV series) would suffice, in my opinion, since the US series is clearly the PRIMARYTOPIC over the Indian TV series by a LARGE margin.
 * Similarly, for Grand Hotel, the lack of a D in the Spanish version and the inclusion of a D in the English version is also a big difference, just like singular versus plural. Currently, Grand Hotel (TV series) redirects to Gran Hotel (TV series), which is wrong, in my opinion. The US TV series is clearly the PRIMARYTOPIC over everything else with "Grand Hotel," as shown |Grand_Hotel_(musical)|Grand_Hotel_(Taipei)|Grand_Hotel_(1932_film)|Grand_Hotel_(Mackinac_Island)|Grand_Hotel,_Birmingham|Grand_Hotel_(Scarborough)|Grand_Hotel_Karel_V|Gran_Hotel_(TV_series) here. So no disambiguation is required, in my opinion; however, at the very least, it would only be (TV series), not (U.S. TV series).
 * |Happy_Together_(2018_TV_series)|Happy_Together_(2001_TV_series)|Happy_Together_(song)|Happy_Together_(1997_film)|Happy_Together_(2018_film)|Happy_Together_(The_Turtles_album)|Happy_Together_(2006_TV_series)|Happy_Together_(1999_TV_series)|Happy_Together_(Leningrad_Cowboys_album) Happy Together. The 2018 TV series is very clearly the PRIMARYTOPIC, so no disambiguation is fine, a la Lab Rats, though that RM failed on us. Same for Manifest, New Amsterdam, The Kids Are Alright, The Neighborhood, and The Rookie.
 * |Rise_(Katy_Perry_song)|Rise_(Jonas_Blue_song)|Rise_(Skillet_album)|Rise_(The_Answer_album)|Rise_(Taeyang_album)|Rise_(perfume)|Rise_(Gabrielle_album)|RISE_(sculpture)|Rise_(Gabrielle_song) Rise. Similar to Grand Hotel above. Disambiguation doesn't really seem to be required; however, at the very least, simply (TV series), no need for the additional country portion.
 * |Single_Parents_(TV_series) Single Parents. Similar to Champions, but less complicated. Single Parents redirects to Single parent. However, the TV series, even without looking at page views, is clearly far more notable than an article on single parents. So disambiguation is needed. It's similar to The After Party TV series being far more notable than an episode with that title from another television series, like what you mentioned here here. (Or, rather, what I quoted that you mentioned.)
 * The Good Doctor. The Korean TV series, where this stems from is only called Good Doctor. Again, just like the plural vs. singular thing, these small differences are actually big differences, in my opinion. The US TV series is clearly the PRIMARYTOPIC from using the tool.


 * So that just leaves me with Champions, Grand Hotel, and Rise that can go either way, from what I explained above. Again, I realize these are just sandbox pages, but still. What do you think, in your opinion? No disambiguation for those three, and if yes, simply just (TV series)? Amaury ( talk &#124; contribs ) 05:44, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Taking a look at the tool again, but using "all time," I'm seeing more accurate data—for example, |Grand_Hotel_(U.S._TV_series)|Grand_Hotel_(1932_film)|Grand_Hotel_(musical)|Grand_Hotel_(album) here. As such, here are my requests. When you have time, if you wouldn't mind. No redirects, please.


 * User:Amaury/sandbox/Beyond (2017 TV series) -> User:Amaury/sandbox/Beyond
 * User:Amaury/sandbox/Grand Hotel -> User:Amaury/sandbox/Grand Hotel (TV series)
 * User:Amaury/sandbox/Happy Together -> User:Amaury/sandbox/Happy Together (2018 TV series)
 * User:Amaury/sandbox/Rise -> User:Amaury/sandbox/Rise (TV series)

Amaury ( talk &#124; contribs ) 08:17, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Answering your earlier question first, a lot of what you're arguing is WP:SMALLDETAILS in terms of article titling/disambiguation, and SMALLDETAILS is somewhat controversial; similarly, different editors have different benchmarks for what qualifies as the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC – basically, every one of the "moves" you're proposing would need to go through a WP:RM, because like the Lab Rats case, such a move would be "controversial" and would need discussion... Now, let me get to your four requested moves... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:05, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Moves ✅. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:13, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
 * You're the best! Amaury ( talk &#124; contribs ) 18:34, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
 * God damn it, IJBall! I just saw this, which you posted a little later after the above, you little twerp. -> User:Amaury/sandbox/Happy Together (U.S. TV series), no redirect. Pretty please? And say you're sorry!  Amaury ( talk &#124; contribs ) 17:11, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I had to! There was no way I could leave those articles where they were!! (As to request, let's wait until the mainspace article is moved, and then I'll move your userspace one...) --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:24, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Do you want me to move User:Amaury/sandbox/Happy Together (2018 TV series) now? --IJBall (contribs • talk) 18:26, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅! --IJBall (contribs • talk) 18:52, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:New Amsterdam (2018 TV series)
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:New Amsterdam (2018 TV series). — Young Forever <sup style="color: #2D68C4F">(talk)   23:06, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

A request as a patroller...
Hi IJBall, Can you fix this as a patroller ? I took screenshot of the title card. — Young Forever <sup style="color: #2D68C4F">(talk)   09:48, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I think I fixed it(?)... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:09, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I was trying to figure how to fix it, but I didn't realized it was a minor typo that cause the whole problem. — Young Forever <sup style="color: #2D68C4F">(talk)   15:29, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

Alex, Inc. and Splitting Up Together season 1
You don't happen to have access to these, do you? When time permits, I just need someone to verify if I missed any absences for these in my sandbox: User:Amaury/sandbox/Alex, Inc. and User:Amaury/sandbox/List of Splitting Up Together episodes. I wasn't as familiar with the characters and which actor was who when I watched those, so it's possible I may have missed stuff. Amaury ( talk &#124; contribs ) 15:26, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Alex, Inc. is only available on iTunes – that one is going to cost $$$ to check. Splitting Up Together is available both via the ABC app (I didn't check to see if it has all the episodes...) and Hulu (which should have all the episodes). Honestly, that's too big a job for me to check your work, but with Splitting Up Together you'll at least have the opportunity to check your own work... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:38, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

Splitting Up Together
Can you take a look at this? I had reverted them earlier mainly per WP:NOTRS, but also because it's meaningless WP:TRIVIA and probably doesn't qualify as an external link, either. Amaury ( talk &#124; contribs ) 15:09, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
 * It's definitely the wrong place for that. If notable, it would belong under 'Production'/'Filming'. I think it's probably trivia, yeah – the location of the Brady's place on The Brady Bunch is one of the few exceptions to this, where the real location of the house became a "thing". But I'm guessing that's not the case for this show. Certainly merits a Talk page discussion before including... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:54, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
 * They are now refusing to follow WP:BRD despite a discussion on the talk page. Amaury ( talk &#124; contribs ) 08:58, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I took a look at the Talk page discussion, and have now reverted based on that. If they restore again, they'll probably be near WP:3RR and can be taken to WP:ANEW. Also, they've now been reverted by at least 3 other editors. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:09, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
 * BTW, I also think you should comment on the Talk page – the more editors that discuss, the wider the consensus that can be demonstrated. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:39, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Done. You may wish to do the same. Amaury ( talk &#124; contribs ) 21:28, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I've now left them an edit warring warning, as they are clearly not getting it. One more reinsertion of the material, and they should be reported to ANEW, probably by someone other than myself. Amaury ( talk &#124; contribs ) 18:52, 11 January 2019 (UTC)


 * If you're going to encourage other people to get in the mix, it shouldn't be so you avoid 3RR. For the record. I created a section 'Filming' per IJBall's suggestion. It is sourced and relevant. --evrik (talk) 19:01, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
 * If you're going to stalk users, then you may wish to read WP:3RR closer as well as WP:BRD. There is still no clear consensus on the talk page, and, for the record, Geraldo Perez made the suggestion, not IJBall, which you didn't even follow as you inserted the exact same material. Amaury ( talk &#124; contribs ) 19:08, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Read above, IJBall made the suggestion here, and Geraldo Perez made it on the talk page. I will stop commenting here and keep the rest of the discussion to the talk page. --evrik (talk) 19:16, 11 January 2019 (UTC)