User talk:INFOCCD

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Hello, INFOCCD, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions.

I notice that one of the first articles you edited was ISGEC, which appears to be dealing with a topic with which you may have a conflict of interest. In other words, you may find it difficult to write about that topic in a neutral and objective way, because you are, work for, or represent, the subject of that article. Your recent contributions may have already been undone for this very reason.

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April 2012
Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to make constructive contributions to Wikipedia, but at least one of your recent edits, such as the one you made to ISGEC, did not appear to be constructive and has been automatically reverted (undone) by an automated computer program called ClueBot NG.
 * Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Note that human editors do monitor recent changes to Wikipedia articles, and administrators have the ability to block users from editing if they repeatedly engage in vandalism.
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 * The following is the log entry regarding this warning: ISGEC was changed by INFOCCD (u) (t) ANN scored at 0.913066 on 2012-04-11T08:31:53+00:00 . Thank you. ClueBot NG (talk) 08:31, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at ISGEC. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted or removed. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. —Bruce1eetalk 08:48, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at ISGEC, you may be blocked from editing. —Bruce1eetalk 08:54, 11 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Just to reiterate the above; today you have blanked this whole article twice and if you do that again you will be temporarily blocked to protect the encyclopaedia. I'm glad to see you haven't blanked the page again after the warning above, but if you have issues with the article yuo need to go to the talk page for the article and discuss them. I see that you have made constructive edits there earlier this month (though they did not seem to be sourced and were reverted); do go to the talk page and ask for help in improving the article, I'm sure others would be able to help out in learning the ways of Wikipedia. Kim Dent-Brown   (Talk)  09:23, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Hello again, I had a quick look at the article and made some simple copyedits to improve the formatting, correct the English and remove some duplicated material. Your edit here has reverted those changes, so the lead parahgraph for example is back in italics which is not right. My changes were meant to be helpful and constructive and did not remove any information from the article. Please will you start discussing your edits here on your talk page or on the article talk page? If you don't discuss your edits with other editors life will be very difficult for us all here! Kim Dent-Brown   (Talk)  13:57, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Isgec Website & Wiki Page Updates
Isgec Heavy Engineering Ltd. has released a new corporate brochure which contains updated information regarding the company. This needs to be incorporated on the wiki page as well. I would appreciate the other users not undoing my new edits by misconstruing the same as vandalism. This is a baseless allegation and stopping me from carrying out the necessary changes as per our corporate legal requirement. Please refrain from undoing my recent edits as they are only meant to improve the depiction of Isgec in the public domain.
 * Hello there, thank you for communicating on this page - such communication is vital as Wikipedia is a collaborative enterprise and we need to communicate to work together. Can I ask a question? You use the phrase"...as per our corporate legal requirement" from which I infer you are connected in some way with Isgec. Could you confirm if this is the case? This means of course that you will know information about the company but it also gives you a conflict of interest. If you'll read that link, it doesn't absolutely forbid you from eiting this article but it does suggest you proceed with great caution. There are a few more points in your reply above to pick up which I hope will be helpful.
 * Brochures released by the company are not independent enough to be really reliable sources in the Wikipedia sense of the term. Self-published sources may be used (see blue link for details) but with caution.
 * Some of your edits such as this one blanked the entire article. This is detected by software bots and these bots revert such deletions and indicate that they may be vandalism. You made another similar edit which just left a bald URL, which another editor labelled as vandalism. When you were not explaining what you were doing, or using your talk page or the article talk page, it's very hard for the rest of us to know what you are doing. The allegation was not baseless; in the absence of any reasoning from you, it was the only explanation for what was happening.
 * Your "corporate legal requirement" does not require you to do anything here on WP. When you are here, you are a WP editor and the only requirement on you is to improve the encyclopaedia. There is no legal requirement on you to involve yourself in any way on the article here; if you choose to do so, you accept the rules of this private website where we all have have no rights, only responsibilities. One responsibility is to improve articles, which I did here but you reverted without explanation - something you're asking other people not to do!
 * If your edits do not conform to the manual of style, or violate the fundamental principles of WP, then they will certainly be rewritten. Your aim of "improving the depiction of Isgec in the public domain" may not be compatible with the principle of the neutral point of view, and any edits you make that appear promotional will certainly be reverted.
 * I'm sorry of the above sounds uncompromising and unwelcoming. You are welcome here as a fellow editor, but not as a publicist for an organisation. If you'd like help with the former role, please ask (here or on the article talk page). If you push too hard with the latter, you will find that WP can be a frustrating and difficult place to work. Kim Dent-Brown   (Talk)

No Conflict of Interest
"To Whom It May Concern"

Isgec Heavy Engineering Ltd. wikipedia page "ISGEC" contains information as verified by the company's official website www.isgec.com. Information updated or edited on this page is true to the best of my knowledge. Any third party / independent links will be provided wherever possible in any further editing changes done by me. I would appreciate other users not undoing my edits. The purpose of wikipedia is defeated in its essence whenever inspiteof a neutral tone and accurate information, my edits were modified.
 * This doesn't answer the question. Do you have an official connection of some sort with ISGEC? Are you an employee, or a publicist, or do you work for an advertising or PR agency linked with ISGEC? If not, why do you use the plural form when you are describing yourself and ISGEC? As I pointed out above, the company's own website is not a good source. It's self-published so while it may be true it's uncritical and cannot be said to come from a neutral point of view. It needs backing up by better, independent sources. The pillar of WP is verifiability, not truth (an odd concept but one you must get your head around.) I will undo your edits if they fall outside WP policy. If you look at the edit page, below the editing box it says "If you do not want your writing to be edited, used, and redistributed at will, then do not submit it here." The essence of WP is not defeated if your edits are modified; on the contrary, its collaborative nature is enhanced when that happens. Believe it or not, I am trying to help here. You don't know the rules of WP yet and you really need to pay attention and look at some of the links I've posted, if you want to get your edits to stick. By the way, if you hit ~ at the end of your talk page edits, your signature will appear, like this: Kim Dent-Brown   (Talk)  10:40, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Kind attn: Kim Dent Brown
Absolutely ok with an endless debate. Even though it may not be natural to use a phrase like "getting my head around" something, i have enough time and patience to edit this page again and as much as required. Please go ahead and undo the edits at will, it will not stop me. I will not remain silent at outdated / incorrect information getting published on this page. And that, by the way, is something you need to get your head around.
 * Hello again, as I mentioned above - please try and sign your talk page contributions with ~ as this helps to see who has made them. This will not be an endless debate - it will actually be quite a short one. If you are unwilling to learn how Wikipedia works and (for example) use promotional language about a company you have an interest in, or decline to learn how to reference, or persist in adding unreferenced material then you'll quickly be blocked from editing here. I am offering to help you to edit WP constructively but you don't seem to recognise that there's anything wrong. I won't undo any edits that comply with WP norms (I didn't undo your most recent two). Please work with me to help improve this article.
 * By the way, you didn't answer my question about conflict of interest. Do you work for the company or a PR firm hired by the company? Whgat is your relationship to them please? Kim Dent-Brown   (Talk)  11:17, 12 April 2012 (UTC)