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Ooo...
Have to say, the effort that you're putting in impresses me. You available for requests? :P If so, (and honestly, only have a stab at these if you've got nothing better to do), could you take a look at a couple of logos from articles which I'm fairly involved in, namely Image:Universityofsurreylogo.jpg, and Image:Legoland Logo.png? I could come up with a list of 1000's of logos that I want converted, but the lack of alpha transparency on these has been bugging me for ages. 'Tis my OCD side poking through :P. Like I said, only if you've got time and nothing better to do ;). Talk Islander 00:28, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll see what I can do :) I Love SVG (talk) 00:51, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you - they're really great ;). Talk Islander 10:24, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Copyrighted logos?
I have seen some of the nice vectorized logos you have presumably extracted from postscript and pdf sources. Thanks! Vector images future-proof wikipedia, making it more suitable for paper, electronic paper and other high resolution media.

However I am concerned this format is not ideal for logos that are not free content. Reason is that our standard boilerplate fair use rationale for a non-free logo says: "The logo is a size and resolution sufficient to maintain the quality intended by the company or organization, without being unnecessarily high resolution."

I think a 200 pixel wide raster image, as seen on a company's own website, is appropriate, but a vector image is in essence much higher resolution, suitable for re-using the artwork to make a logo for another business (or even counterfeit packaging or fraudulent letterhead). If companies give the vector code away in PDFs they are already prey to such activity, but my initial reaction is that extracting that code into SVG to make it easy for a copyright abuser may not be a profitable use of your time.

What are your thoughts?

--Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 15:31, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * WP:LOGO states that using SVG for a logo is fine as long as the SVG is not more detailed than is required. The existence of would seem to imply that the crucial point is the rendering size on Wikipedia. The first logo I converted to SVG was the logo of Northern Rock, the previous version of which was marked with  for quite some time.


 * I think any copyright abuser who knows how to use software that can handle SVG would be persistent enough to convert from PDF themselves. Even if they did not know how to, in most cases the same effect could be obtained by zooming into and taking a screenshot of the PDF file. On the other hand, SVG logos make it easier for those who may have a legitimate fair use for the logos in their own projects, either verbatim for commentary or in the creation of parody.


 * I realise that this is an issue that is probably not often discussed and perhaps Wikipedia's official stance could use some refinement. However, the text of WP:LOGO as it currently stands seems to lean towards the judgement that the advantages of SVG for Wikipedia outweigh the potential for abuse. I Love SVG (talk) 16:06, 7 July 2008 (UTC)


 * While I disagree with your conclusion, you have quite a strong case. But, a few minutes after you wrote that, someone quietly deleted the relevant sentence from WP:LOGO!  Perhaps any further discussion needs to be at the talk page there. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 20:58, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

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SVG vs. Others
Aside from mobile device compatability, what separates SVGs from the other file formats? I cann tell HTML or Wiki to scale down an GIF or JPG image, too. I think seeing small images clearly depends on the screen resolution. –BuickCenturyDriver 05:30, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * May I? I don't think  is an active contributer anymore. An SVG is mathematically driven and, as such, can be scaled larger or smaller infinitely without losing its fidelity.  A .gif or .jpg image file has a set maximum resolution beyond which the image cannot be scaled up without losing its quality.  I think I've got this right; please see SVG (and this image) for more information.  —   pd_THOR  undefined | 06:37, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

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