User talk:I dream of horses/2012/September

It doesn't end...
Let the drama continue. The Fiefdom of Spen.... Bleh.  Theo polisme  15:45, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Do you think you can salt it yet? --I dream of horses (T) @ 03:32, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I wish I could...  Theo polisme  03:37, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry. I didn't mean you, specifically. I meant, anyone who has that ability. --I dream of horses (T) @ 03:40, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Mind if I steal your edit notice and adapt your editnotice? --I dream of horses (T) @ 03:43, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Heh, sure... feel free. I'd appreciate a Shetland pony in return, though. Just a nice little one...  Theo polisme  03:45, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

sandusky
Thanks for your message. The section refers to notable alumni. Sandusky fits the bill. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.28.248.254 (talk) 03:28, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
 * This is not merely adding Sandusky to the list. It reads like a personal attack. --I dream of horses (T) @ 03:35, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi! If Sandusky is an alumnus of Penn, shouldn't he be included? Thanks! 180.28.248.254 (talk) 10:04, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes! But not like "Jerry Sandusky! Remember him?". Like I said, it reads like you're personally attacking Sandusky. I dream of horses (T) @ 12:00, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!
Moved barnstar here.
 * Thanks! --I dream of horses (T) @ 05:55, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

WCW bug?
Your edit at has made rather a mess! -- John of Reading (talk) 17:22, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Oops! I've reverted 99% of the faulty edits I've made using WCW. I don't I'll be using it again--too difficult to know how to fix, for example, a table, but in contrast, it's easy to fix other errors that are easily fixable without it. Thanks for alerting me! --I dream of horses (T) @ 18:02, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Is it worth posting at Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner? It's not a tool I'm familiar with. -- John of Reading (talk) 19:51, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Repairing links to disambiguation pages
Hello there. I have reverted your changes to the page 0 (number). Repairing links to disambiguation pages consists of figuring out which of several specific meanings of the ambiguous term is the one that applies in the context, and then replacing the link by one to the applicable specific article. Removing the link is rarely the most appropriate action; this is in fact only indicated when a more specific link would be a case of overlinking.

When a link goes to a page whose title is of the form "X (disambiguation)", and particularly when that target page then redirects to "X", that is almost always an indication that this link to a disambiguation page is intentional and not the result of an oversight. Unless you know what you are doing, it is best to leave these alone. --Lambiam 21:41, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the advice. --I dream of horses (T) @ 02:20, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Adminship
Since I spoke to you yesterday I have been going over your past edits and aside from you on again, off again editing patterns, (Don't feel bad, with my job, I do the exact same thing) I'm actually surprised that you have never become nor been nominated for adminship before. It is very, very rare for me to nominate someone, but I really like the look of your edits. I think that you are probably one of the most clueful vandal-fighters and wikignomes I have seen in a good, long time. I don't think you are quite ready to go yet, but if you are interested in running about a month down the road, I would be happy to nominate you. In the meantime, we can look into addressing concerns that may (and probably will) come up during the RfA. Trusilver 04:06, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you! One possible reason I haven't been nominated for adminship yet is because I really don't care if I become an admin or not. If you wish to contact me off-wiki, I am IDoH in IRC and you can email me.
 * What's interesting is that I had a PM'd "pre-RFA" in IRC very, very recently, and the person essentially said I was 80% ready to go through an actual RFA. So, in other words, s/he kind of agreed with you. --I dream of horses (T) @ 04:55, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I have spent most of my Wikicareer suspicious of people who seem 'too' interested in becoming an admin. So I think a heft dose of don't-give-a-fuckism is a healthy thing to have in any would-be admin. Honestly, I think that if you were to go through RfA right now, you would probably pass by the skin of your teeth. But I think a little bit of time would make it a much more comfortable margin. You certainly WILL get dinged for lack of content work, but I had very little content work myself and I passed near unanimously. That was an older, kinder and gentler Wikipedia, though. If you are interested, I could certainly email you the issues I see and we can work out what you need to do to prepare for it. I rarely go into IRC, but I might be coerced into doing so... (and I have you on my watchlist... no need to leave me talkback notifications) Trusilver  05:06, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
 * You are more than welcome to email me, then. :) --I dream of horses (T) @ 05:08, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

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Reverted revert of K-12 (education)
You left me a note last month. I replied and didn't hear back from you, so I have assumed you don't disagree with me [reverting your revert] of my edit of K-12 (education) just now.-- era (Talk | History) 20:24, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

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how can you change username? or have ip address instead?
 * Replied on your talk page. Frood! Ohai What did I break now? 02:05, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

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Sorry about that. The article is in the sandbox at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SinMacD/sandbox Thank you SinMacD (talk) 04:22, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I dream of horses (T) @ 04:23, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

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I am glad you can dream of horses, the posts I am putting on the Atos page are in protest at the way the company is putting peoples lives 2nd to profits. In the Uk they are currently to blame for 30 deaths a week, due to there medical reports. These reports are carried out mainly by nurses and physiotherapists, they contradict Doctors and Psychiatrists and other specialists. They are stating that out of all the people these proffesionals say are unfit to work, that only 6% are unfit and the rest should be back in work. Appeals are running at an all time high and over 40% are successful, that is unacceptable. When 1,000+ people are dying each year from heart attacks, strokes, cancer and around 6% from suicide, a total waste of life. Just because a company is putting it's profits ahead of peoples lives and nurses etc... are breaching there code of conduct to falsify reports (yes I have proof)something has to be said and it has to be public. This site supported wikileaks, I support it every year by donation out of my breadline earnings and it is an open forum, I am asking it to support my campaign for fair treatment of the most vunerable people, before our facist government and it's tool Atos kill even more disabled and sick people. I beg your support. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rojblake (talk • contribs) 05:58, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Can you find independent, secondary sources to support your potentially controversial claims? I dream of horses (T) @ 06:03, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Congratulations from STiki!

 * Moved award here
 * Would have added this directly to your barnstars page; but it seemed more pragmatic to add it here and let you do so. Congrats. West.andrew.g (talk) 06:02, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, well. It isn't that much trouble to move it myself, I suppose. :)--I dream of horses (T) @ 06:15, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I just saw the "div" tags and said to myself, I am bound to break some level of nesting or other organization on this page. Besides, I just would have put it at the bottom! Thanks for moving it, and congrats. West.andrew.g (talk) 06:18, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Heh, okay. So, I might've had to work anyway!
 * I notice that the "Other bits of wikilove" section is kind of messed up. Anyone is welcome to clean it up, for I have similar fears to your own--I might mess it up further! --I dream of horses (T) @ 06:21, 14 September 2012 (UTC) (slight rewording at 06:23, 14 September 2012 (UTC))

answering deletion issue
Hello I dream of horses, I have an article that has been marked for deletion and has had comments made that I have been correcting with editing. Another editor also took pity on me and corrected my citations with the proper template. My question is, How do I get to the discussion to make comments? I can't seem to find the board to comment to the group. I did correspond with one of the people that initiated the discussion on their board and she helped fix some of the issues. However, I would like to comment to the group. Much of the confusion that I had at the beginning has been solved. Thank you, User:Sokemike Sokemike 19:21, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Do you mean the discussions about the deletion of the articles, like this and this? --Mysterytrey 20:26, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
 * And just what's the name of the "board" you're referring to? You can guestimate if you don't remember. --I dream of horses (T) @  00:13, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Presumably heatherawalls on Sokemike's usertalk. --Mysterytrey 00:34, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!
Moved barnstar here
 * Thanks! --I dream of horses (T) @ 01:18, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Thank you!
Thanks for the alert about the discussion with Sokemike. :) heather walls (talk) 05:39, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem. I am happy to help! --I dream of horses (T) @ 05:50, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Untitled
I do not know which one of my friends who changed the wikipedia page for sigma phi epsilon on my computer i would like to apologize for my friends actions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.134.208.176 (talk) 07:26, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
 * You are probably editing from a shared IP address. I recommend creating an account if you ever wish to edit Wikipedia. I dream of horses (T) @ 07:28, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

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Baden (disambiguation)
If you look at the article Baden (olika betydelser), you will see that what I did was correct! Tostarpadius (talk) 18:24, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that. I see that you've already reverted me. --I dream of horses (T) @ 18:25, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem, I am convinced that your intention was good. Tostarpadius (talk) 18:31, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, it's nice to have a new Wikipedian that understands the concept of assuming good faith. --I dream of horses (T) @ 18:32, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Page Curation newsletter
Hey. I'm dropping you a note because you used to (or still do!) patrol new pages. This is just to let you know that we've deployed and developed Page Curation, which augments and supersedes Special:NewPages - there are a lot of interesting new features :). There's some help documentation here if you want to familiarise yourself with the system and start using it. If you find any bugs or have requests for new features, let us know here. Thanks! Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 12:37, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Sudo
Moved cow here
 * Thanks for the cow. Ha! How funny and random of you! --I dream of horses (T) @ 14:29, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Explanation of Notability
You saved my page as a user draft, which, from the little information I was given, I'm guessing is because you didn't see enough information pointing to notability. Under the "Publications" section, there are 10 different articles about Butz + Klug Architecture. They've also designed notable additions to the SMFA, Mandarin Oriental Hotel, and Hancock Shaker Village. All of these are linked in the article. There's also reference to "Awards" on there. Enjosh13 (talk) 15:38, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, however, as evidenced by the multiple tags on the article, it still has several issues that need to be dealt with before it can be moved back into mainspace (or "article space"). Please take a look at them. --I dream of horses (T) @ 15:41, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Ken Merten stub
Thanks for the compliment, IDOH. I love a good mystery, and most of the American and other top-tier Olympic swimmers have a pretty substantial international competition history that's just lurking out there, waiting to be found and pieced back together from the online sources. Please keep doing what you doI participate at AfD for several sports, and I can tell you there are plenty of sports stubs that should never have survived their initial new article review. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:42, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Aww, you just made me smile. Thank you! --I dream of horses (T) @ 15:44, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Thank you
Many thanks for your kind comment about my article about Bradford & Bingley. I identified the article as a stub because I wasn't able to write anything more than an infobox and an introduction.

Btw, as Bradford & Bingley is a rugby union club and not a football club I changed the talk page accordingly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rillington (talk • contribs) — Preceding undated comment added 13:27, 24 September 2012‎
 * Thanks for correcting me. I don't mind if people do that as long as they're as polite as you. :-) --I dream of horses (T) @ 18:31, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Untitled
Hello! I am Miha. Thank you for making my page better and more accurate. I cannot found any information about birth or death of that chief, because when he lived in ancient Fiji, years of one's life were not counted.--Miha (talk) 17:08, 24 September 2012 (UTC) You like horses? Me to!
 * Yes, I like horses. Of course, I do!
 * I changed the page to reflect the date of birth and death are unknown, instead of merely missing. I dream of horses (T) @ 18:34, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

The Olive Branch: A Dispute Resolution Newsletter (Issue #2)

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'''This edition The Olive Branch is focusing on a 2nd dispute resolution RfC. Two significant proposals have been made. Below we describe the background and recent progress and detail those proposals. Please review them and follow the link at the bottom to comment at the RfC. We need your input!'''

Until late 2003, Jimmy Wales was the arbiter in all major disputes. After the Mediation Committee and the Arbitration Committee were founded, Wales delegated his roles of dispute resolution to these bodies. In addition to these committees, the community has developed a number of informal processes of dispute resolution. At its peak, over 17 dispute resolution venues existed. Disputes were submitted in each venue in a different way.
 * Background

Due to the complexity of Wikipedia dispute resolution, members of the community were surveyed in April 2012 about their experiences with dispute resolution. In general, the community believes that dispute resolution is too hard to use and is divided among too many venues. Many respondents also reported their experience with dispute resolution had suffered due to a shortage of volunteers and backlogging, which may be due to the disparate nature of the process.

An evaluation of dispute resolution forums was made in May this year, in which data on response and resolution time, as well as success rates, was collated. This data is here.


 * Progress so far

Leading off from the survey in April and the evaluation in May, several changes to dispute resolution noticeboard (DRN) were proposed. Rather than using a wikitext template to bring disputes to DRN, editors used a new javascript form. This form was simpler to use, but also standardised the format of submissions and applied a word limit so that DRN volunteers could more easily review disputes. A template to summarise, and a robot to maintain the noticeboard, were also created.

As a result of these changes, volunteers responded to disputes in a third of the time, and resolved them 60% faster when compared to May. Successful resolution of disputes increased by 17%. Submissions were 25% shorter by word count.(see Dispute Resolution Noticeboard Statistics - August compared to May)

Outside of DRN other simplification has taken place. The Mediation Cabal was closed in August, and Wikiquette assistance was closed in September. Nevertheless, around fifteen different forums still exist for the resolution of Wikipedia disputes.

Given the success of the past efforts at DR reform, the current RFC proposes we implement:
 * Proposed changes

1) A submission gadget for every DR venue tailored to the unique needs of that forum. 2) A universal dispute resolution wizard, accessible from Dispute resolution.
 * Similar to the one that was deployed, with great success, to the DRN.
 * Structured based on the specific issues most commonly dealt with at each forum.
 * Designed to improve the quality of requests for DR and the efficiency of DR at that forum.
 * Applicable at following noticeboards: Dispute resolution, Neutrality, Reliable Sources, Original Research, Biographies of Living Persons, Notability noticeboard, Fringe theories, Conflict of Interest, Ethnic and cultural conflicts, External links, Third opinion, Mediation Committee, Arbitration Committee.
 * Forms will merely fill out any existing templates (such as Arbcom's) and create a markup-free form in line with specific noticeboard practices otherwise.
 * Example form fields: What pages are involved? What users are involved? What is the issue? What resolution is desired?
 * This wizard would ask a series of structured questions about the nature of the dispute.
 * It would then determine to which dispute resolution venue a dispute should be sent.
 * If the user agrees with the wizard's selection, s/he would then be asked a series of questions about the details of the dispute (for example, the usernames of the involved editors).
 * The wizard would then submit a request for dispute resolution to the selected venue, in that venue's required format (using the logic of each venue's specialized form, as in proposal #1). The wizard would not suggest a venue which the user has already identified in answer to a question like "What other steps of dispute resolution have you tried?".
 * Similar to the way the DRN request form operates, this would be enabled for all users. A user could still file a request for dispute resolution manually if they so desired.
 * Coding such a wizard would be complex, but the DRN gadget would be used as an outline.
 * Once the universal request form is ready (coded by those who helped create the DRN request form) the community will be asked to try out and give feedback on the wizard. The wizard's logic in deciding the scope and requirements of each venue would be open to change by the community at any time.

3) Additionally, we're seeking any ideas on how we can attract and retain more dispute resolution volunteers.

Please share your thoughts at the RfC.

--The Olive Branch 18:42, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

CSD#A7
If an article is sourced in a way that suggests it does (or even might) meet WP:N, don't tag it as A7; such sources are implicitly an assertion of significance in the jargon of WP:CSD. A7 should be reserved for articles that don't give you any clew why they might be capable of meeting WP:N - being sourced is a strong clew. Cheers, Wily D 07:23, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks for telling me. --I dream of horses (T) @ 22:38, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Updated Draft
I made a new draft of my article. Satisfactory? Can it be moved to "article space" now? Enjosh13 (talk) 15:44, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

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News media phone hacking scandal
Thanks. I didn't much like that paragraph either. I think I was trying to show deference to the hard-working contributors of the several earlier articles. My first paragraph wasn't particularly valuable to viewers. Bryantbob (talk) 03:59, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, gosh, you're welcome! --I dream of horses (T) @ 04:00, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

YourView
Hi there, just letting you know that I've added an explanation on the YourView talk page regarding notability guidelines and why YourView complies with said guidelines. Feel free to start a conversation there if you like. Cyril Washbrook (talk) 04:18, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I think I need to reorient myself to notability standards. --I dream of horses (T) @ 04:44, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

PERM
Hi there! I appreciate you wanting to reduce the burden on new-page patrollers by mass nominating candidates for autopatrolled, but please also spare a thought for the burden on the 2 or 3 admins who work at PERM. 50+ creations is not the only criterion we take into consideration, so please do consider doing as much research as possible before nominating, and also avoid renominating users who have been recently declined and/or users who still have an application open on the same page (or even in another section). Best, --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:17, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Requests for permissions/Autopatrolled
Thanks for the nomination, but I don't think it will pass the board. Kaiketsu (talk) 15:18, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Edited Draft
I'm not sure whether or not you ignored my last post because I didn't leave a "Talkback" tag. I know what a stickler editors are for formatting. If so, I updated the draft of "Butz + Klug Architecture" you saved in my user space. Is it okay? Can it be moved to article space now? (talk) 15:26, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Not sure how to tell you this otherwise, but even if you address the issues that the rest of the templates at the top of the article address, you may not ever have an article that can go on Wikipedia and not get deleted because of notability concerns. --I dream of horses (T) @ 18:16, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

What more than 11 publications in national magazines and an award merits notability? The firm was just written up again in Boston Homes Magazine. I'd like to know so that I can mention more about this in the article if there are notability concerns. (Enjosh13 (talk) 14:40, 1 October 2012 (UTC))

Speedy deletion declined
Just an FYI--I declined your speedy deletion request on Fred Allegrezza. I think that the claims in the article, including the fact that at least some sources have mentioned him, are sufficient to pass A7. The person may still well be non-notable, but it will take an AfD and some WP:BEFORE searching to be sure. Qwyrxian (talk) 00:14, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Not Fair
There was already not any subtle information about Bioentrepreneurship on Wikipedia and I created a page specifically to help Indian biotechnology students. All the page was over 3 hours of hard, concentrated work. Why then did you significantly shorten it without any consultation or request? Are you a knowledgeable person in Bioentrepreneurship in India? If not then please revert the page content back to its original content. Don't be over-confident about you American knowing better than me about my India. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aks23121990 (talk • contribs) 03:07, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I may not know a lot about India (there, I'll actually admit it), but I know a lot about Wikipedia. Nobody owns the articles on Wikipedia, not even the people who create them. If you click on this sentence, you'll go to a page that expands on this idea. I shortened the article because it had poor grammar, and wasn't presented in the way that other Wikipedian articles are presented. I didn't have to ask you, because you don't own the article. --I dream of horses (T) @ 03:15, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 * You can put the contents in MS Word and then wait till eternity for green underlines to appear.
 * No green underlines will appear; take it as a first-hand experience and be embarrassed after noticing that no grammatical mistakes are there.
 * We elite Indians usually are better at English than you Americans; and that's a world-wide accepted fact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aks23121990 (talk • contribs) 03:23, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, now you are getting into the realm of personal attack. I am no longer engaging you. --I dream of horses (T) @ 03:26, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 * (stalking) Actually, I dream of horses is totally correct. First, the article most certainly WAS full of grammatical errors, usage errors and significant WP:MOS issues. I would have reverted it back to her version, except for the fact that it also fails WP:GNG. As such, I have nominated it for deletion. Trusilver  04:18, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Okay now I get the racist theme. Wikipedia? Naah! It should be renamed Whitipedia! Have it your way girl, and boy please, there are no grammatical mistakes there on the page I contributed. I wonder how you can challenge Microsoft's integrated proof-reader in MS Word? And boy, just stop being such a tail of the cat. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aks23121990 (talk • contribs) 17:40, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

sir as you redirected my contribution artifactics to non verbal communication, how can i see my contribution. it is not showing any thing about actifactics in non verbal communication. please help me out.

Your recent edits
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sir as you redirected my contribution artifactics to non verbal communication, how can i see my contribution. it is not showing any thing about actifactics in non verbal communication. please help me out.--rohitsonurajput 20:15, 29 September 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by ROHITSONURAJPUT (talk • contribs)
 * Maybe you can put some information about artifactics in the non-verbal communication article?
 * And by the way, I'm not offended and I don't mean to embarrass you or anything, but I am a woman. --I dream of horses (T) @ 20:18, 29 September 2012 (UTC) (corrected at 20:19, 29 September 2012 (UTC))