User talk:Iamchasegray

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Help me!
Please help me with...was wondering what i did wrong for Marc Marcel's page. lol, he is going to be so mad at me. lol. The section that was deleted was taken from his website, which his bio, but his bio is a number of places, so I was wondering what I may have done wrong.

Iamchasegray (talk) 02:09, 27 July 2015 (UTC)


 * If by "taken" you mean "copy-pasted", that would be a copyright violation. If you merely mean "based on", Marcel's own website would not be considered an independent source, we should at most use it for uncontroversial details (such as his birthdate), not for entire sections singing his praise. Either way I don't think that section is much of a loss from Wikipedia's point of view.
 * I can't quite tell what you did (beyond blanking the section, obviously), but you may want to use the preview to make sure your edits really end up the way you intend them. Huon (talk) 02:31, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

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Please help me with...i was wondering why the whole article of Marc Marcel was deleted, and not just the information I added? The article had been up for over 2 years i believe, and all the information attached to him was creditable and referenced. and it says (which does not credibly indicate the importance or significance of the subject) but that is funny to me, I mean, you may not know who he is, but he is has a very large following, performed for the président ball and the military overseas, but yeah there are wikipedia post with actors who have done nothing more but beed extras in movies or tv shows.

I would honestly like to know, because I am familiar with him personally, and would not be right with myself lying to him in his face if this issue comes up.

Iamchasegray (talk) 07:45, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I nominated the article for speedy deletion because no valid claim of any importance was made, and thus I deemed the subject not notable by our standards (for starters, see WP:GNG, and also WP:AUTHOR, for instance). In this case, the speedy deletion rationale was WP:A7. Apparently, administrator, who has forgotten more about Wikipedia's standards for inclusion than I'll ever learn, agreed with me. There were two main problems: a. the language was simply not neutral and b. there were no reliable secondary sources to verify anything about the subject that was of importance. If you want to write him up better, I suggest you have a look at WP:FIRST, and try to write and submit a draft through the Articles for Creation process, WP:AFC. I hope that's enough acronyms, and I hope this helps. Good luck, Drmies (talk) 15:33, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Help me! drmies
to drmies thank you for your help. But, in responds, i don't see where this article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sha_Money_XL) is any more creditable than the article for Marc. Check it out. it has 2 references, which lead to links that don't provide that information. it seems like you are picking a choosing what is credible by their popularity, or who may seem relevant to you. Marc's article had dozens or so references. further more, it was the information I added, that you did not like. In your edits, you had passed what had been up for years, and then started to edit on my entries. (I am not a college educated professor: reply to comment you made about whom/who). Meaning, you didn't like my entry, but deleted the whole thing because of it, so you have penalized the person before me who placed the first entries (That may or may not have done a good job, but at least a better than the one in the link I provided). so, like said, just confused. thank you for your time!

Iamchasegray (talk) 18:09, 27 July 2015 (UTC)


 * If you want to ask Drmies for a reply, using a template such as ping may help get his attention. That said, you should take a look at WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS - other problematic articles may exist, but each must stand on its own merits. If an article warrants deletion, pointing out a similar article won't save it - it's just an indication that the other article may need to be deleted, too. Furthermore, Drmies did not delete the article but merely nominated it for deletion; an admin assessed the nomination and agreed that the article did not meet Wikipedia's standards. While the article had lots of footnotes, most sources were written by Marcel himself, not independent coverage of him, and at a glance the others don't look particularly reliable to me. Huon (talk) 19:44, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks . Iamchasegray, that Sha Money article was indeed terrible, but I quickly found one reference that pegged him as an executive producer at Epic, so that makes him notable very easily. That does not seem to be possible for Marcel. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 20:15, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Help me!
Please help me with...article credibility. Is this article crediblefor Marcel? http://lasentinel.net/marc-marcel-is-seasoned-in-his-craft.html if so, that will give me a better understand of what to reference.

Also, what about blogtalkradio links? are they considered a credible source? And youtube links?

Last question, what about book passages? He has a few books that detail information, in which is not on the internet. I have seen some references as such, and thought it would be credible.

thank you for you help!

Iamchasegray (talk) 20:42, 27 July 2015 (UTC)


 * That article is an interview with Marcel, ie Marcel speaking about himself, not independent coverage of him. Blogtalkradio probably would not be considered to have the editorial oversight necessary for a reliable source, and YouTube is user-submitted content without any editorial oversight at all. Books may help, depending on the author, the publisher, and the amount of coverage of Marcel within the book. Huon (talk) 20:50, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

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Would not the first part of the article be credible, where it is the authors notes, before it gets into the interview where marc is talking? http://lasentinel.net/marc-marcel-is-seasoned-in-his-craft.html

Please help me with...

Iamchasegray (talk) 21:13, 27 July 2015 (UTC)


 * I'd say that introductory text is simultaneously extremely promotional and rather devoid of hard facts beyond his town of origin. I'd advise against using that introductory text as a reference. Huon (talk) 22:08, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

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are these considered credible links? all people talking about me, and marc has no dialogue.

https://blackpoets.wordpress.com/tag/marc-marcel/

http://evolutionofpaper.blogspot.com/2009/04/artist-spotlight-marc-marcel.html

http://acidmath.me/VIDEO-Marc-Marcel-DMT

http://nokturnalescape.typepad.com/

http://mylifescanned.blogspot.com/2011/05/dirty-gerund-poetry-and-marc-marcel.html

Please help me with...

Iamchasegray (talk) 21:25, 27 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Those are, in order, routine events coverage that doesn't cover Marcel in any detail, a personal blog without editorial oversight, a video uploaded by Marcel himself (plus some accompanying text on a website that shows no indication of being reliable), the blog of a marketing company, and another personal blog without editorial oversight. None of those sources would be considered a reliable source and the events coverage that comes closest does not provide any useful information on Marcel anyway. On an unrelated note, "all people talking about me" indicates that you are trying to write an autobiography. That's strongly discouraged due to the inherent conflict of interest. If you meet Wikipedia's standards of notability, sooner or later someone not affiliated with you will write an article about you. Huon (talk) 22:08, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

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To address, "all people talking about me" was a typo, meant 'him' as i have had other typos within the conversation, (thinking faster than I am writing) nto tryin to write an autobiography. actually, my relation to him is for 'Gurus' his cartoon, and wanted to update his information accordingly, and am in a little of a panic, because i did more harm than help, so forgive my frantic behavior. I do not want to throw others under the bus, like it seems that i did with 'Sha Money', but i saw many links on wiki that are similar. my failure may have been adding new information in the manner that i did with sources that don't match your criteria, and now his whole page is gone. so basically, USAToday or CNN needs to do an article on Marc with he doesn't have any commentary. cool, got it.

Please help me with...

Iamchasegray (talk) 22:29, 27 July 2015 (UTC)


 * It seems you don't have any further questions; thus I'm turning off the help me which would otherwise ping helpers from all over Wikipedia. If you have any further questions you're welcome to ask, of course. Huon (talk) 23:03, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

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Please help me with... i do appreciate you time, no further questions, you have been helpful.

Iamchasegray (talk) 23:07, 27 July 2015 (UTC)