User talk:Ian13/Archive2

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Happy Crimbo!
Have a Proper and Merry Crimbo. , in fact here is a pressie from the Doctor to you. Ho. Ho. Ho! Dr. McCrimbo 22:39, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks, for making me laugh :) Ian13ID:540053 22:41, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

WP:UBX
Oh,no problem. You've seen my user page right? That wikiproject fits me to a tee! I'll delete them a bit at a time, I already deleted one that had already been moved. If anyone in the group would like to become admins, just let me know and tell me why you'd be good and i'll nominate in a heartbeat. -- —Preceding unsigned comment added by Karmafist (talk • contribs)
 * Well, I'm sure that I would find it very useful, but I very much doubt I have enough experence. Ian13ID:540053 10:28, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Doubleplus Good
Congrats. Cernen 01:09, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi again
Ian, I've been working for a little while (4-5 hours?) on the userboxes. I have closed 3 of the templates. Oh, and I think u now need to start archving this page, you're already @ 34! -- Grand Edgemaster Talk  02:23, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, masses of comments came in after I logged out - now archived! And thanks for the work! Ian13ID:540053 15:36, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

New fan of your tireless Userbox work

 * Wow, thanks :) Ian13ID:540053 10:47, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Feel free to move this to your main User:Ian13 page in some appropriate section, as I expect that getting this might remind other fans of your work that you have earned more. AlMac|(talk) 15:43, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks, and I already have, slightly modified into my userpage in Awards :) Ian13ID:540053 15:45, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

More AlMac|(talk) comments
Some observations about stuff I see on your main user page, that may be of interest to you. User talk:Jayant412/Userbox design kit
 * When your awards are viewed thru my Microft IE browser, the latest award overprints with Cernan's Double Plus awards, Often printing out looks different than on screen viewing, but I got same effect.  It could be that you are more caught up on replying to people than implementing stuff you intend to do.  I can identify with that.
 * When I was in college half a century ago (truely ,,, I am now over age 60) there were a bunch of elective geography courses I wanted to take, but they were only allowed for people majoring or minoring in Geography, so I changed my minor so I could take them.
 * I changed my minor several times so I could get at such speciality courses.
 * I know something about Prisons in the USA. I have never been inside of any of them, but my employer farms out some work to be done by the Inmates.
 * While I am a computer programmer in the AS/400 world, there are many areas where I am a total novice, and still very much the WP newbie.
 * I only learned about userboxes a few days ago. When I first started putting them on my user page, they went on 3 abreast, with wrap around on my page beyond the width of my MS IE browser, until I found out about the Box top bottom coding to force all in one column.  I see on your page and some other people that they are two wide, and I like that appearance but have not yet figured out how you accomplish that.
 * I imagine in good time there will be appropriate tutorials linked to relevant places

AlMac|(talk) 15:58, 24 December 2005 (UTC)


 * In abit of a hurry sorry, because I have so much to deal with, and the family are downstairs for christmas. Anyway, award formatting fixed (I tested with IE), and the babel for Template:Babel-2-10 is fixed, and I will fix ll other 2 coloum templates when I have a little more time if someone hasn't already done so. For reference, just change the top width to 500px. Gtg, thanks for the updates and will post a better reply (and have ully read what you said) in a day or two. Ian13ID:540053 09:40, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Since I wrote the above, I have totally redone my user page & I think it looks dramatically better. Previously I had the choice of a huge clump of boxes that I thought looked ugly, or a humongous column, whose readers eyes might glaze over after only part way down.  My fix is to have a few boxes, then some text that is in size more than that taken up by the boxes, with each section on a related sub-topic.  Much more readable, easier on eyes, easier to navigate, cleaner, better than the earlier alternatives.  Now if I could only do as good a job on regular WP articles. AlMac|(talk) 09:47, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Thank you for amending the userbox to user on my user-page. Was wondering if a bot is possible instead of manual cleanup like this...

Merry Christmas --rgds. Miljoshi | talk 08:49, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes one may be possible, if anyone is able to go forth and do one it would be great. Ian13ID:540053 10:47, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Userbox thanks

 * I thank you for changing the userboxes on my page, and for maintaining WikiProject:Userboxes. I also feel I should appologise for creating User Classificaition Templates as it seems to have caused a lot of mayhem. I wish you a prosperous New Year. --DTR 10:20, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh, don't worry, I'm sure it will sort itself out sometime, a few of my edits and moved don't seem to have been very good, but thanks for your efforts. And merry xmas to you to, have a good one! Ian13ID:540053 10:47, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Roadfan template
Thanks for fixing my error on the roadfan template. I didn't know how to make it so I just made it into a template. It is my first userbox. Station Attendant 16:09, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
 * No problem, all part of the job ;) Ian13ID:540053 17:26, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

"old fogie" out of practice as a student
At your convenience please look at my 2 pictures effort where I have been unsuccessfully trying to reverse engineer what should not be rocket science. AlMac|(talk) 03:03, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

My RfA and Merry Christmas
Hi short Ian! Thank you for your kind support on my RfA. Have you ever heard of this Birmingham meetup ? -- Szvest 17:29, 25 December 2005 (UTC)  Wiki me up
 * Uh, thanks. (short?). Well, being 15 and living nowhere near Birmingham, and it being a meeting of a world of utter strangers, I very much doubt I would be able to attend, sorry! Ian13ID:540053 15:40, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Short according to your user page ;) Sorry about if that was offensive. Cheers -- Szvest 05:16, 28 December 2005 (UTC)  Wiki me up
 * Not offencive, just wondering what it was refering too (my surname is the subject of a popular pun for the first few days of anyone knowing me). Ian13ID:540053 17:15, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Stuff
Changes have been happening with the complex userboxes over at User OS and User browser. AzaToth has moved the items to use a : separator, a little like a sub-namespace. Maybe that's how we could go with all ubxs? He caused a little trouble by accidently breaking the current OS boxes. I've placed in temporary redirects and have modified the project home tasks lists to ask people to get standardising again! Oh, and you may want to check the recent edit to your user page by Daykart. Also, Happy New Year if you didn't get my mail. -- Grand Edgemaster Talk  02:18, 27 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Okay, thanks, I will and I did :) Ian13ID:540053 15:18, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I reverted the edit. Ian13ID:540053 15:21, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

WOAH!!!
Holy SHITE, dude!!! You're 15??? Wow! This just goes to prove my point that age and maturity have absolutely nothing to do with each other. Daykart 07:56, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Lol, thanks. Ian13ID:540053 15:18, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Also, if you want a mention on my userpage, you are welcome to ask. However, like I said somewhere near the top of the page, please don't edit it - therefore I have reverted your edits. Sorry! Ian13ID:540053 15:20, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Ummmm yeah, can I get just a little mention please? Daykart 17:28, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Right. I'm not really sure my userpage is the place, you are welcome to mention on your userpage? Sorry. Ian13ID:540053 17:32, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Done! Daykart 21:28, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Userbox project staff
You mentioned on the userbox page [I have just become a member of this fantastic project!] that you needed some help with running the page, I would be more than willing to help. --Richard0612 18:01, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your offer. You work so far for the Wiki seems good and I will be happy to take you on board, probably after a week or two of you editing, just to see that you are used to the wiki and current userbox system. Ian13ID:540053 18:04, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

If I may at some time be able to join the staff of the Userbox WikiProject, I would be willing. -- Grand Edgemaster Talk  22:34, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Template:User PTSD
I created the userbox because I fought in Iraq and have PTSD on account of it. Do you feel that the Iraq part should not be there? Daykart 21:27, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, the thing is, I know people with PTSD who haven't been anywhere near Iraq. The problem is, if it is included, it lowers the amount of people who can make use of it. You could make a User:PTSD-Iraq as well, as a sort of subtemplate? Hope that helps... Ian13ID:540053 09:29, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Maybe I will. Actually, I'm thinking of a whole series of Iraq-related templates. This user supports our heroic troops in Iraq, This user is a veteran of the current Iraq war, This user wants to bring the troops home from Iraq, etc. What do you think? Daykart 17:12, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, it sounds good. I personally would go for just war, but thats probably just personal preference. Ian13ID:540053 17:13, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Hey Ian
Hey Ian. Its Andrew, your old annoying guy from scripters. I was looking up the history of the MOO article and saw you name and thought why not stop and say Hi. Probley not the best place to do it, meh. Glad to see you contributating to the greatest project on earth, not that I do that much. Anyway, just saying Hi. Hope you remember me. Nice userpage, btw. Andrew Northall 09:04, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I remember you, and this is probably the best place to put it. Thanks for dropping by :) Ian13ID:540053 09:27, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Great. Cool you remember me. Really wasn't expecting you to be up though o_O. Check my user page. I added userboxes =). Andrew Northall 09:48, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Cool, sure I remember you, who couldn't ;) I had just got up when I replied. Ian13ID:540053 15:37, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

BIG PROBLEM
Have a look at the deletion proposal for at Templates for deletion.

Adrian Buehlmann brought up the point that this is in violation of WP:AMT... which means that half the userboxes on WP:UBX are also in violation.

Furthermore, the outcome of this proposed deletion has repercussions for the entire WP:UB. If it is deleted then many of the arguments for deletion will be valid for countless userboxes... which once again illustrates the fundemental importance of this proposal.

SO - something needs to be done. And I have no idea what. Deano (Talk) 18:54, 28 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Eeek, thanks for letting me know. I have written a nice long reply to this one, voting keep ofcourse. The nominator seems to be making a point, what with the name Santa on Sleigh, and his use of user Santa. But Wikipedia has a point of not discounting bias nominations - and HE complains it's point of view. Apparently it is only a violation of WP:AMT should any userbox be used in a pre-templated babel box or have an un-subst'ed userbox adaption within it. I presume the only way to save it is to let as many userbox fanatics know. Ian13ID:540053 19:50, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Yeah the subst: issue has been covered quite nicely at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Userboxes. We're gonna have to adapt an awful lot of boxes though... Deano (Talk) 19:53, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Commander Keane bot
My bot, Commander Keane bot, just uses the standard pywikipedia framework. You can easily run your own version (see the link to meta). I'm really a novice with it and as far as the Userbox project I can really only touch pages to clear out the "What links here" - which I'm happy to do anytime. About the renaming, put in a request at Bot requests, plenty of able bot operators watch that page. Good luck.--Commander Keane 20:40, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the links. Ian13ID:540053 20:42, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I've just discovered the the pywikipedia bot can do some of the template name replacements. I have just finished the Template:User win => 	Template:User windows task. Unfortunately I can't do the other current task in the Notices section because it's not straighforward.--Commander Keane 22:02, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh, cool, thanks! Ian13ID:540053 22:04, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Since most of the name changing tasks can be done with the bot, is there a way to encourage users to place the job in the notices section rather than doing it (laboriously) themselves. Maybe reword the current tasks instructions. I wouldn't want editors wasting their time on simple tasks when they can be automated.--Commander Keane 22:45, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, I will try to set something up. Is there any way we could achieve some form of webbased control for this bot, password protected of course, so that a few of us could rattle the bot tasks through. Ian13ID:540053 10:44, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

RfA
Thank you for your support in my request for adminship. I was promoted with a final tally of 31/1/1. Please don't hesitate to contact me if there is anything I can assist. --BorgQueen 22:52, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Template substitution
Hi, just to let you know that the templates did need updating (they were not floating properly, and the font size was incorrect), so I restored my versions, adding a "subst:" to comply with WP:AUM. laug 23:13, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * No problem. I was just conserned with cleanup's mearly involving returrning to a userbox form. Ian13ID:540053 10:42, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
for rving vandalism on my userpage. :-) Tom e rtalk 08:54, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'm not Ian nor do I know/heard of you but thanks. Andrew Northall 15:14, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Right, would you like to be my Personal Assistant? ;) Ian13ID:540053 15:19, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

firefox userbox image
Hi Ian. Nice replacement image you found there. How did you determine that the new image was licensed under Creative Commons? I couldn't tell from looking at the source website. 12:11, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * If you look in the bottom right, it has a small CC logo, click on it, and i shws the relevent licence. I found the picture itself though the cc hunter that flicker has. Ian13ID:540053 12:14, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Found it. Excuse my ignorance, but what is the 'cc hunter' and who or what is flicker?  12:19, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * It is an image hosting site, and here is the creativecommons browser. Ian13ID:540053 12:21, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I will have to keep this website handy the next time I search for an image to upload. Thanks Ian. I think I will retire for tonight (it's 4:28am here in California). Have a nice day. 12:29, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Ouch, no problem, and thanks. Ian13ID:540053 12:39, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Hi diff!

Thanks for the welcome. I'm mainly in the German wikipedia but I belief in the Wiki-Globalisation.

Bye J. Donne 14:44, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * No problem. Good luck! Ian13ID:540053 14:44, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Esperanza elections
Hello Ian13; as you may be aware, the Esperanza elections are concluding. Did any of you notice any discrepancies at all, and have you checked to make sure we have the correct tally? Thanks a lot! Flcelloguy (A note? ) 01:23, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Help Please
Ian, how do you get the godmode-lite.js thing to work? I put it in my monobook.js but it didn't work. Hints? - iGod 08:07, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I can't say I am overly sure - have you done Crtl+F5 to clear your browser cache? Do you use Firefox web browser? I have a feeling that most of the monobook.js mods need Firefox. Ian13ID:540053 09:57, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Userboxes and optional parameters
I haven't really brought this up at the Project, but I'm not getting much of a response there about other things so I'd thought I'd drop by the boss man (=you). You can replant my comments anywhere you like.

Optional paramenters
I want to know what's going to happen with optional parameters before I work on clearing out the [|Userbox] prefix. Some Userboxes (eg User religion, User programming), User pronoun use them.
 * Advantages:
 * You don't need as many userboxes (they can all fit on one page)


 * Disadvantages:
 * To have optional parameters they use the switch template, violating WP:AUM (maybe it's ok, since switch never changes, but I don't know
 * Harder for newbies to edit
 * One change to the template results in changes to all associated varieties, with probably sucks up exta server resources--Commander Keane 20:27, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I can't say I know of where that would go, but yes, you are right. Ian13ID:540053 15:37, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Well done!
A lovely Cadbury's 99 as thanks for your hard work on the Esperanza elections. Thank you! ➨ ❝ R E  DVERS ❞

Oh, thanks. I can't say I managed to do that much, I'm sure there are more deserving users out there, but thanks anyway :) Ian13ID:540053 22:05, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

You should archive this
Yes you should. - iGod 02:18, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I archive at 30, so nearly there :P Ian13ID:540053 10:29, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Hey Ian
Sup? - iGod 08:03, 31 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I rather like my custom made header, but that one probably makes more sence. Ian13ID:540053 10:30, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Free expression on user pages
Hi Ian! I saw your comment at Templates_for_deletion and thought you might be interested in this template user freedom. I made it since a growing number of users seems to be opposed to every possible form of free expression on user pages. Regards, Larix 13:02, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh cool, so we fight back their userbox removal with another userbox! That'll annoy them :D Ian13ID:540053 13:45, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
 * It should illustrate a point :) Larix 14:02, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
 * And if they try and delete it, just say they are of the oposing point of view, and breaking WP:POINT, sorted! Ian13ID:540053 14:04, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
 * So you're going to use it? :) Larix 14:05, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Do you mind if I shorten in abit/rephrase so it will be the average userbox size? Ian13ID:540053 14:14, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
 * It depends on how you rephrase it - I'd like all the links to remain in there, if possible. Larix 14:18, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Okay. I'll be bold and give it a blast, it can always be reverted. Ian13ID:540053 14:19, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Hows that? It's only a tiny big bigger than normal now... Ian13ID:540053 14:46, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Perfect, many thanks! You just earned yourself a barnstar :) If you don't mind, I'd like to contact you later about this as the dispute goes on. Larix 14:53, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
 * No problem, and thanks! Where's this barnstar! :D . And yes, the userbox issue is becoming quite big. One the one side we have the Userbox WikiProject members, and on the other all those people opposed to liberty, humour and just plain userboxes. Ian13ID:540053 14:58, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
 * There it is! (and we've got the people in religious or political categories on our side, too) Larix 15:02, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Nice barnstar! Thanks! Copying to this talk discussion for reference. Ian13ID:540053 15:05, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I have changed the image on the template because the original was of unknown copyright status, and queued for deletion. Ian13ID:540053 16:32, 31 December 2005 (UTC)