User talk:IanManka/Archive/13

i apologize
i am deeply sorry for the happenings on my computer. this is a frequently used computer, and though it is mine, i leave it open for use by my family and friends. I cannot make any promises, but i can tell you that i will make an effort to stop these happenings thank you

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 * Okay, good luck with that. If you have any questions, please contact me at my talk page. Ian Manka 01:10, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Helen Shiller
I've de-proded this, since there has been an objection on the talk page. You are welcome to take it to afd (I've formed no opinion)--Docg 00:35, 5 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you for getting involved in the Helen Shiller article. I see you were convinced on the notability issue and concurred on not deleting the article. Thank you for deleting the external links which were highly biased and not encyclopedic resources or mainstream, reputable media. Since then, the article has been unlocked and the links you deleted were restored. I believe this article should not be unlocked. Hugh 18:05, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia Week
The best existing proposal I can, in my own limited way, think of for the previously discussed "appreciation week" can now be found at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week. Any comments or responses would be more than welcome. Badbilltucker 15:08, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Restore «biparentalness»
Can you please restore biparentalness? There is no reason to delete an important concept that is affecting millions of people. --Dejudicibus 20:01, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * For your info, I added a post to Talk:Biparentalness to explain why biparentalness should be restored. Thank you in advance.--Dejudicibus 21:02, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

The text from Talk:Biparentalness has been pasted below:
 * I am quoting from WP:NEO:


 * About «Generally speaking, neologisms should be avoided in articles because they may not be well understood,...» I agree that neologisms have to be avoided inside articles, but I did not used a neologism in an article, but I wrote an article about a principle whose name is a neologism.
 * About «The first is that Wikipedia is not a dictionary, and so articles simply attempting to define a neologism are inappropriate.» I agreee, but my article was not about the neologism itself, but about the principle which is the result of more than 10 years of social fight and that finally was recognized by law in Italy and other European countries, and it is known in USA too.
 * About «The second reason is that articles on neologisms frequently attempt to track the emergence and use of the term as observed in communities of interest or on the internet...» it is not my case. The neologism was included in the Italian law and it was included since 2005 also in official dictionaries. It is a well recognized term since 2002. 4 years are not few for a new concept.


 * Biparentalness is a very important recent (2002) principle that is affecting millions of people, especially in Europe. Is strictly related to prevention of parental alienation syndrome, whose article is in Wikipedia.
 * --Dejudicibus 20:16, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

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Thanks
Hi IanManka, and thanks for blocking that vandal a few minutes ago. Also, have you noticed that the WP:HOLICTEST also has a new question asking if you've given yourself a barnstar? It has a negative score. | A ndonic O  Talk 20:55, 5 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, thanks for telling me about AIV; I was another user doing it, so I thought I was supposed to do it. And I saw the questions on the test too; they are good. :-) | A ndonic O  Talk 22:09, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Child modeling (erotic)
Just a fore-statment, I am a child and in no way like child pornography, I am totally against it and definately believe it to be illegal. However, I am wondering why you deleted that page after the illegal links had been removed. I was just about to add an editor's message (DO NOT ADD ACTUAL IMAGES OF CHILD MODELING THAT IS PORNOGRAPHY BECAUSE IT IS ILLEGAL IN FLORIDA AND THE UNITED STATES; YOU COULD GET BLOCKED AND FEDERAL ACTION MAY BE TAKEN AGAINST YOU (BY THE UNITED STATES GOVERNEMNT, NOT WIKIPEDIA)) and a notification on the talk page to stop this kind of stuff from being added. It should also be semi-protected. I'm just wondering your reasons in deleting. Please also note that I am an administrator, so I can view the page just like you and you do not need to go into any extra trouble in actually linking to the wrong sites if they exist. (Please don't!!! :)) Thanks, Cbrown1023 02:28, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the explanation, that's a bit faster than just a request for oversight. (I would've just jumped to that.) Cbrown1023 02:41, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism misspelling
That's funny, thanks for catching me on it. I did mean to say "don't".Fistful of Questions 15:38, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

MSN Messenger
Talk:MSN Messenger - User:Themodernizer created the survey as you requested. It's been about a week, so I suppose you can close it now, or leave it open longer if you would like further discussion. (Posting this message as you requested : ) - jc37 21:01, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Citation
If you would be so kind… Lovelight 23:26, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, I was a bit tired… it is about that editprotected request in WoT section of 911 attacks article. Sorry for confusion, if you would be so kind and implement that citation… Thank you. Lovelight 09:05, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks again, it was a well opted option. Lovelight 13:17, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Backpacker Magazine
I noticed you prodded and then deleted the Wiki page for Backpacker magazine Backpacker Magazine when you were scrolling through the "B's" in early January. I wrote this page in December 2006, and recently drafted a new version that is less advertorial and more informative. I added information about the history of Backpacker Magazine and plan to add more. Please check it out and let me know what you think. I am from Akron, Ohio by the way. - Jrsteven - jason-att-jasonstevenson-dott-net

P.S. Please check out the wiki for Backpacker Light Magazine as well. I think they might have gone a little advertorial as well.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jrsteven (talk • contribs) 23:54, 8 January 2007 (UTC).

TheMagazine
I'd like to know why TheMagazine was prodded and deleted. Some other admin deleted the images for being copyright infringements but they are not because I wrote the article with permission from the publication's presidents. - Merlin33

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 * ok, i'll try asking him. i'm new to creating pages some i'm not sure about some of the processes. thanks.

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Nike disambiguation links
Hi, I'm a disambiguator too. I just found the page You can help! and picked Nike at random from "completed projects" to see if it was still completed. I found and fixed 20 new incoming links, all for Nike, Inc. This will never end! In my view it would be better to make Nike a redirect page for the latter, and move the disam page to Nike (disambiguation). That might offend the purists, but will make for less maintenance on Wikipedia. I'll say so on the talk page; please reply there. Fayenatic london 07:54, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

World Tavern Poker Tour
I am a local player on the World Tavern Poker Tour in the York, PA area.

I have also considered joining Riverchasers, or the National Pub Poker League, but these are smaller, regional games.

The World Tavern Poker Tour IS notable as the largest worldwide amateur poker league in existence. I neglected to mention this fact in the article.

Because of this status, it is the largest organized league in an otherwise "underground" sport.

The other "major" amateur poker tour include the Amateur Poker Tour.

However, I cannot write about that subject because there are no venues near me.

As a player, I tried to remain NPOV in the article and refrain from becoming an advertisement for the tour.

I would also like to point you to a YouTube video from the last "WTPT Open", and ask about it's appropriateness in including it in such an article:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4L4ncGlGHc

The championships occured at Binions in Las Vegas, and the next will occur at the Taj in Atlantic City in May (just announced SUNDAY, which is why I'm back at the article)...

Greg Raymer is to give World Tavern Poker Tour players another opportunity for training in a "Fossilman Challenge" to be held in Pennsylvania. Greg Raymer, the 2004 World Series of Poker Champion, is a WTPT spokesperson.

Although venues are encouraged to give top 3 prizes, many give top one, and some only a tshirt or hat, and still get 40-60 plus a night (many go to the same rounds of places night after night).

These players frequently play together by going to AC, Vegas, etc. or online - in groups and making money. Some have been, are, or have recently made the decision to be "professional" or semi-pro players. Some others have dealt in casinos.

Many tag along just to have fun and drink.

The bottom line?

The WTPT is the largest amateur league in a sport that is the #1 rated show for multiple cable networks.

I do believe it is notable.

And I would greatly appreciate reinstatement of the article, as well as any assitance in production. I do the best I can (I hate CMS and Wikis).

Sidenote: The Amateur Poker League is Doyle Brunson's League... So an article on that league, the world of "Amateur poker" in general, differences in scoring, etc, would be useful.

I want to see MORE on OTHERS not LESS.

Is this notable? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_Rock_Paper_Scissors_League

I believe I've also edited: Anpl (found sources for person) McSherrystown, PA Al Gore Democrat-related articles —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Herb Riede (talk • contribs) 16:15, 10 January 2007 (UTC).

Update...

I did misspeak about the WTPT being the "largest organized league", however the WSOP and WPT does not (to my knowledge) provide opportunities for poker players to play in areas restricted from gambling. Nor can they lay claim to having events in as many states. Quarterly events in the WTPT do reach 300-400+ entrants who qualified by averaging 12 weeks of play at their local venue.

Although the tavern level atmosphere is "shuffle up and drink" (these games are held in bars typically, as are, I believe, most other amateur "no buy in" tours), a quick search of last season's WTPT top 50 reveals some players listed in the Hendon Mob DB with cashes in WSOP events (Chris Keller, Michael Martin, Joe Greiner(?), et al..). Also, Agreed, they are not notable enough for Wikipedia, but of these players, I know Chris, and he takes the tour seriously. There are also tournament players who have cashed at casinos in AC, down south and in Vegas in events not covered by media (since this is a talk page, I'm just telling you, since that's not citable)

40-60 players is significant for tournament venues with that capacity. Also, with basically no money at stake, drawing this many players, ~in this area~, for any event is big.

Some venues, especially venues that do give significant prizes away, attract more freerolling players than others. The general mood of league player I know (on and off this particular tour, or on other tours) is that if you want to win money, you can do better, faster going online or to a casino than freerolling for $50 in a bar.

I would like to actually create articles myself on the other amateur national tours such as the Amateur Poker League, and note other minor leagues in an overall article on such leagues (which WSOP and WPT are not truly "national" nor "ameteur" leagues in that an amateur has no credible chance of climbing the national TOC or "best player" ranks without becoming a "professional")...

There are professional dart and pool players, and professional events/leagues, however an ameteur can climb the ranks in a local league without having to quit his day job and "go pro". However, it's these lower level leagues where many pros are "born".

For example, the ABC vs. PBA. You can bowl in local leagues your entire life and have a sufficient average to qualify for the PBA and be the king of your alley, but never go pro or have to invest substantially beyond basic equipment (I realize that is a bad analogy, as the WSOP and WPT have no qualification criteria, although the "sufficient average" in a lower live-play league can propel a poker player that would otherwise be playing online and when they can get to a casino).

I believe these myriad number of national (and international) amateur leagues need their own "word", however I can't quite coin one.

I slowly want to contribute with what I can record credibly and know where to cite. The WTPT, as I said, is the only "notable" tour around here - the other two are not national, and the other notable ones are not. I can and would be willing to begin an article on the APL, however as I said in the previous paragraph, I'm wondering what ties this type together - They shouldn't be lumped under "tournaments" in Poker, and WSOP/WPT is not _strictly_ for professionals so Amateur vs. pro is out (except for PPT). However, the mere existence of no-buy in, highly organized national leagues is not otherwise addressed in Wikipedia. There's a no-buyin league article in the UK, but that article's up for deletion as well.

Finally, poker _is_ an underground sport that is televised. Just because it's becomeing legal (and therefore not underground) in more and more states does not mean it doesn't remain so in most of the country. Without the existence of leagues like this, poker players (pro and amateur) would be relegated to playing home games where skill building is not as quick, the internet where the landscape changes often and is nothing like live play, and when they "get to" the casino. Not every pro lives in vegas.

So to summarize: - I get your POV, but I disagree - The tour has crazy times, but the WSOP especially has "The Nuts" where goofy things are shown regularly - These tournaments are different from and are _not_ competitors of the WSOP or WPT (despite WPT's allegation), but are talent feeders/builders. - I'd like to create pages for the other tournaments (APL, NPPL), however I'd fear they'd be deleted for "notability" because they're not on TV, don't have famous players, etc. - There are pros and semi-pros who play in these games, however "pro" simply means making a living playing poker, not cashing at the WSOP or on a WPT event. (of course the number of "pro players" in the world is enourmous, so the fact that some practice in the WTPT is simply mathematics) - I will do a furter search for larger cashes of players who came out of the WTPT - There are not _celebrity_ players, however, except Greg Raymer, who is simply a spokesperson, as Doyle is for the APL. - The pros and amateurs make up the "top lists", something rare in WSOP/WPT world of large buy ins

I think the WTPT, NPPL and APL (and the smaller ones) are a different breed/class of poker tournament that is _overall_ notable and particularly of interest to poker players outside of gambling states. (But what to call the breed?)

Herb Riede 17:29, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Dabbing cable car
Hi, Ian. I was looking through the list of dab pages with links and noticed cable car, which your note says calls for someone with transport expertise. I have that expertise and am also a dab fanatic, so I was thinking I would adopt the page along with the eight others I'm already staying on top of. What do you think? --Tkynerd 17:02, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Makes perfect sense, and I will start working on it right away. I contacted you here because you requested this at Disambiguation pages with links. :-) Thanks, and best regards, --Tkynerd 03:25, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Re : You beat me to it!
No, it was done all by hand. :) - Mailer Diablo 22:36, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Talk:The Fairly OddParents Movie
Wikipedia admin Tregoweth is in a bit of trouble right now. He has redirected the movie page to the animated series page when the show and the movie are two different things. Myself and another user have complained about his actions toward the article. Please see the existing talk page and give me your perspective about this issue. Best. Marcus2 13:09, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I got your message. If you click on this link (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0378946), you will see that the movie is titled "Untitled Fairly OddParents Project".  I hope this helps. Marcus2 12:22, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Good job!
...in redesigning Image:Stop hand.svg. I really like the new version. Keep up the good work! If you have any questions, please contact me at my talk page. Ian Manka 04:40, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks :-) — Mets501 (talk) 11:58, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

206.219.87.130
Hey. Thanks for noticing my unsigned warning to 206.219.87.130 irt Industrial robots. I've been messing around with my own warning tags and forgot to add the tildes. As for that user, your comment mentioned no vandalism past test4, but I specifically have noted three that have occurred. True, mine was the latest one, but don't test4s only three days old have any weight? --LeyteWolfer 02:08, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Featured content
I meant on Featured content&mdash;for example, how could I have known ahead of time that the FA from August 14, 2006 was going to appear today? --Spangineerws (háblame)  02:28, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Historic pictures of 1906 San Francisco earthquake
Hi. You marked Historic pictures of 1906 San Francisco earthquake as transwikied to Commons. However on the linked Commons version, more than half the photos seen in the en:Wikipedia version are dead links. The Commons transwiki seems be incomplete or have some problem. I therefore reverted the en: version. -- Infrogmation 04:49, 13 January 2007 (UTC)


 * The transwiki process for a page has not been completed until the relevent information is accessible in the new location. This includes images within the page. If the page's images aren't on Commons, the page hasn't been fully transwikied yet. If you decide to transwiki an image gallery from en:Wikipedia to Wikimedia:Commons, yes, it is your resposibility to take care of things on both sides of the project. Does that answer your question?  -- Infrogmation 15:04, 13 January 2007 (UTC)\

Other discussion
Hi IanManka! I've noticed that you've transwikied some articles to Commons. Therefore you copyied the Edit history (e.g. here). As far as I know m:Help:Transwiki is outdated, it can now be requested to import pages so the history will be transfered, as well. See the talk page of Help:Transwiki. I think special:import is not yet activated at Commons (because there was not need to do so) but I think it would make sense to do so. --Matt314 11:30, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi Ian, also regarding this -- why are these pages being transferred? Is it as a result of AFDs? Many of them are full of blank images. Did anyone think to check that the images were actually loaded at Commons (and not en.wp) before suggesting this? Because they are useless to us, we may as well delete them, the AFD may as well have been 'delete'. --pfctdayelise (talk) 11:35, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

If you missed it, I think the point needs to be stressed that Commons is a collection of media such as images. The images are key. The image gallery pages here on en:Wikipedia were often created years ago before the Commons existed. Now such image galleries usually go to Commons. It is the images that need to be transfered to Commons. Transfering the pages without transfering all the individual imagesis not useful. -- Infrogmation 15:10, 13 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I'll answer all of you here. I had no idea that the transwiki help page was outdated, so I screwed that up pretty good. I agree with the fact that the Import file function would be of great help to Commons. These pages are/were being transferred because I was trying to clear the backlog found here, with little to no knowledge of the process. I tried to learn using the Meta page, but as you can see, it was outdated. All of the articles deleted were deleted because of months-old AfD discussions. These pages are borderline-useless to us: some related pages have links to the relevant gallery in Commons, but considering that the images I'm attempting to transwiki haven't been transferred to Commons (despite having a GFDL license or other free license), they are failing. As for if anyone checked to see if these images were at Commons, most likely not. Like I said before, once the AfD closes, its listed at some log, and then it's "not my problem" to the closing admin.


 * I moved two images from the English Wikipedia over to Commons today (Image:Unknown lizard belize.jpg to Commons:Image:Unknown lizard belize.jpg and Image:Unknown animal belize.JPG to Commons:Image:Unknown animal belize.JPG), and I realized how time-intensive a transwiki would be. It would be of great help if I could get some other users to assist me. Or, even better, if Import file was activated on Commons.


 * I've attempted to clean-up my mess, un-deleting all of the gallery pages on the English Wikipedia, and their related talk pages. I've transferred two images from English Wikipedia to Commons, as indicated above. A log of all the pages that need to be moved can be found here. Hopefully, I've answered all of your questions, and made some sense at the same time. If I still haven't satisfied your queries, you can respond here. If you have any questions, please contact me at my talk page. Ian Manka 17:26, 13 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Ah, the old outdated-help-file trick. That one gets me every time, too. Ian, please use CommonsTicker to assist in transferring images to Commons. From what I have read on wikitech-l, Import doesn't work for media files. (We would've had it running for a long time now. :)) cheers, pfctdayelise (talk) 06:46, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Archive
I used to archive every 30 discussions... then I got lazy.... &mdash; BRIAN 0918 &bull; 2007-01-13 18:29Z

Maria Callas
He Ian, hope all is well with you. I have put in a request for a peer review of the Maria Callas article. If you get a moment, would you take a look at the peer review request and lend it a bit of your talent, or perhaps pass it on to colleagues who might be willing to give it some attention? Many thanks, Robert K S 19:55, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Malformed requested moves
Hi there. I was following up an old requested move I made, and I finally tracked its removal down to this edit you made. Your edit summary said: "rm Basel earthquake -- malformed". Could you explain in what way the request was malformed? Thanks. Carcharoth 01:46, 16 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I think I determined that the move was malformed because the talk page did not have PageName, which generates a nice way of organizing discussion, as indicated on the requested move page. Furthermore, the requested move discussion generated only three opinions -- you, ScottDavis, and PMAnderson. Two supported and one was against the move, so it could have ended up being no consensus. The aforementioned template would have been helpful in determining if consensus existed. Anyway, feel free to list the discussion again, and someone will have a look at it more experienced than I am with regards to requested moves. If this explanation does not satisfy you, please say so. If you have any questions, please contact me at my talk page. Ian Manka 04:36, 17 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I thought it might have been something like that. I remember at the time thinking that it was obvious where the discussion was, and I prefer having discussions, rather than votes, but I guess the discussion plus vote is the way Requested Moves has been set up, so I'll do that properly this time. Carcharoth 13:25, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Sorry about that
Was just correcting and reverting things so quickly, I forgot to sign them. It is freakin' nuts today! It is like everyone and their brother is vandalising Wiki today.

I will remember to sign my posts....my apologizes.

Rock on.....SVRTVDude 17:49, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Editing my userpage
Hi, I didn't ask you to do that. If you'd checked the history you would have noticed it was intentional. Please take more care. :| --pfctdayelise (talk) 07:24, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Message for Diliff
Trying to get a hold of user - Diliff please contact me at danlt888@verizon.net I need to talk to you about one of your photo's and $$$$$$$$$ please contact me A.S.A.P.   sinncerr  Danny —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.110.224.114 (talk) 16:51, 21 January 2007 (UTC).
 * Thanks for the update Ian. I've written an email from a secondary spam-happy account just in case. I noticed that this person also left a similar message regarding the "eye of london" (likely refering to this picture) on Djr xi's talk page eight minutes after yours. Looks like a very unprofessional message so I doubt anything productive will come of it, but I'll give them a chance. Diliff  | (Talk)   (Contribs) 20:51, 21 January 2007 (UTC)