User talk:Ian (Wiki Ed)/Archive 20

Account Question
Hi Ian,

I am Nby2216 and I am a student editing Wikipedia for a class. A few days ago, when I made an account for my class, I made a mistake and ended up with two accounts. Do you know of a way for me to delete one of them, so I only have the one account.

Thank You! Nby2216 (talk) 19:13, 30 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Don't worry about the second account, . Just stick to using this one. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 19:43, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Okay, thank you. Nby2216 (talk) 15:25, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Introduction
Hi Ian! I'm excited to meet a fellow Wiki Edu user and work to democratize access to reliable, diverse, and accurate information on the internet. Cd631874 (talk) 13:16, 31 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Nice to meet you, ! Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 16:08, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Using Author's Papers as a Primary Source
Hi Ian. I hope you are doing well. I have an inquiry with regards to using an author's papers as a primary source for their page on Wikipedia. The article I'm looking to add on to is Ruth Doggett Terzaghi's, under scientific contributions, and my University's Library had some papers written by her that I think would be useful for that page. After citing them in the References section of the article, is it possible for me to use them to add on to the article? If so, please feel free to let me know. Thank you for taking the time to read this topic and checking over with me.

Cheers. Dominic.marayag (talk) 23:08, 21 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi . Generally speaking, an author's publications aren't a good source to write about them.
 * For starters, they aren't useful as biographical sources about a person. Scholarly articles rarely talk about the author, and when they do, they aren't independent sources. Beyond that, while they do tell you something about where they were working and what they were working on, it's hard to determine the importance of their work. If you want some sense of the importance of something they worked on, it's better to look at sources that cite the work.
 * Finally, unless it's a single-authored paper, it can be difficult to determine their role in the publication. Were they actively involved, or did they co-supervise a grad student's work?
 * While it can be useful to look at someone's publications, they usually aren't the best sources to use for a biographical article about the person. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 14:44, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi. Thank you so much for replying to me and providing me with some insight. With the papers I'm looking at, they're the ones directly involved with the studies they've conducted and writing the papers. Dominic.marayag (talk) 18:58, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Plans to edit the "Food Deserts" parent article and add a new child article
Hi Ian! I'm a student editing Wikiedu for a class, and the article I intend to work on is the "Food Deserts" parent article.

I would like to revise the parent article to include more global theories and definitions of food deserts that address food deserts as a global issue without implying it is a problem in every country. Because the current parent article is mainly focused on food deserts in the US, I’d like to create a new child article on food deserts in the US, and move a majority of the content in the current version of the parent article over into the new article. What are your thoughts on this proposal, and do you have any tips on reworking a parent article and creating a related child article that would be helpful as I edit these two articles? Thank you! Cd631874 (talk) 19:14, 22 September 2023 (UTC)


 * @Cd631874 that sounds reasonable to me, but I think you should post about it on the article's talk page to make sure other people are aware of what you're planning to do. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 19:24, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I see you've done that already! Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 19:26, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much for your response! I appreciate your help. Cd631874 (talk) 02:49, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Changing name for Human Trafficking in North Korea article
Hi Ian! I am a student trying to edit the Human Trafficking in North Korea article for a class assignment. I am contacting you because I would like to change its name to "Human Trafficking of North Koreans" since most of the trafficking happens in China. I also wanted to do this because Wikipedians on the talk page seem to be bothered by this incorrect title as well (I don't want them to delete my content). My professor told me I should consult you first prior to making title changes. What do you think? Thank you! (Evelyn4712 (talk) 18:30, 23 September 2023 (UTC))


 * Hi @Evelyn4712. I would recommend keeping it the same to maintain consistency with all the other "human trafficking in..." articles. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 14:08, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

ECOWAS and the West African Economic and Monetary Union
Hi Ian!

My name is Emily and I am a student enrolled in African Politics creating a Wikipedia page. I was doing some research on the ECOWAS Wiki page and saw that under the talk page it is classified as a level-5 vital article and is a "Start-class" on the content assessment scale. However, all the suggestions in the talk page are from over ten years ago. I was wondering how often these classifications are updated to see if this would be a possible article to update. Additionally, within the ECOWAS page there is a section for the West African Economic and Monetary Union. I met with my professor and she believes that this subheading could be its own page. I was wondering what the process of converting that section to its own page would be. I also saw that the West African Economic and Monetary Union section has its own page in the French language, but not English. I am a French student as well so I was wondering if I could translate the page to English and add more relevant information. Thank you so much for your help!

Emaran1 (talk) 17:07, 1 October 2023 (UTC)


 * @Emaran1 The ECOWAS page looks like a good candidate to update. As far as the rating goes, I don't think you should worry about that too much. These things do get a little out of date if no one updates them.
 * I think the West African Economic and Monetary Union is a good candidate for an article in English. You can translate from Union économique et monétaire ouest-africaine but make sure you verify the sources for anything you translate. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 14:49, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Emaran1, I second Ian's comments. Regarding translations, I have added additional comments and tips at your Talk page. Mathglot (talk) 21:44, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

Need help request from Zetarise (talk)
Hello.

I need help with...

Hi Ian, I wan't to make sure my bibliography is Ok

--Zetarise (talk) 00:27, 3 October 2023 (UTC)


 * @Zetarise I moved your references up, so they're all in the same section. You didn't annotate them at all; it would be helpful to say why you consider the sources you pick to be good sources. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 15:00, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

I need you to review somthing for me
talk:Vincentp8790/sandbox

it will be in the talk section of my sandbox where I have my question

Thank you Vincentp8790 (talk) 18:37, 4 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi . To add a reference follow the steps in this training slide or follow the instructions in the gif below. Paste https://lamont.columbia.edu/directory/maureen-e-raymo into the box to automatically generate the reference.
 * [[File:Auto-citing a source using VisualEditor, small.gif]]
 * Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 20:21, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

I'm trying to add this to Maureen Raymo wiki article under her background
Maureen Ramyo, also called Mo, was born in Los Angeles on December 27th, 1959. Raymo is a climate scientist and a marine geologist, who worked in Columbia University’s earth observatory. She was the professor of Earth and Climate Sciences and the Director of the observatory (Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory), and the Observatory’s first director to be a climate scientist (from July 2020-June 2023). Raymo’s research primarily concerns the causes of climate change as well as the history of the past, including the effects climate change has for future sea levels and ice sheet stability. Raymo has planned, led, and taken part in several scientific missions that have required months at sea and on land. She is most well-known for her Uplift-Weathering Hypothesis. Her net worth has some debate but is estimated to be between 1-5 million dollars.

referrence


 * http://moraymo.us/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Raymo_2022_BIO_SHORTCV_JAN.pdf
 * https://allfamousbirthday.com/maureen-raymo/
 * https://www.celebsagewiki.com/maureen-raymo

link to Maureen Raymo article

Maureen Raymo

Would like to know if this is valid to add to the background section? Thank you Vincentp8790 (talk) 01:41, 5 October 2023 (UTC)


 * @Vincentp8790
 * The second and third sources aren't reliable sources. You can't use them on Wikipedia at all.
 * The first source is her own CV, so it's not an independent source. It's usable in some cases, but it looks like there are lots of independent sources available, so I'd avoid using it.
 * The "Background" section here is being used as an "Early life and education" section. Better not to change that. A lot of what you're adding is the kind of stuff that should be in the lead section, but only if it's discussed in more depth in the body of the article
 * Generally speaking, for privacy reasons we shouldn't include the exact birthday of a living person unless it's something that's widely available. And don't include the net worth of person unless it's something that's widely discussed by reliable sources.
 * Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 14:07, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

I would like to get your opinion if I can add a section under reseaerch for Maureen
Projects

Maureen Raymo has been a part of many geological research projects that contributed to the estimation of the Earth’s age. Primarily, Raymo’s focus is within the Pliocene-Pleistocene Period, estimated to have occurred over three million years ago. Raymo is credited for her collaboration on nine related projects and has published papers on each.

PLIOMAX: Pliocene maximum sea levels

In this multi-organizational project, Raymo and collaborators worked towards more accurate estimations of sea levels during the Pliocene period, with the intent to improve ice sheet models used in research and predict the long-term effects of greenhouse gases on the Earth. Upon completion of the PLIOMAX project, several papers were written on the findings and their significance.

reference

http://pliomax.weebly.com/

https://moraymo.us/projects/

Pleistocene sea-level studies

Similar to the PLIOMAX project, Raymo also worked on the Pleistocene sea-level study, which looked to determine the estimated sea levels of the Pleistocene period, over 400,000 years ago. Previous studies taking place in the Bermuda and Bahama islands indicated two different hypotheses on the collapsing of ice sheets. One study stated the collapse of the West Antarctic ice sheet and Greenland ice sheet occurred along with the significant melting of the East Antarctic Ice sheet, whereas another claimed a massive tsunami during the Marine Isotope stage 11 caused emplacement. Raymo determined an estimate that the sea level had risen 6 to 13 metres above the present-day sea level, indicating that the Greenland Ice sheet and the West Antarctic Ice Sheet did collapse during the warm Pleistocene period, while the East Antarctic Ice Sheet did not significantly change in volume. This was determined when Raymo accounted for post-glacial crustal subsidence of the studied areas, over the course of the uniquely long interglacial period.

reference

https://moraymo.us/projects/

Milankovitch Climate Dynamics

The purpose of the Milankovitch Climate Dynamic Project was to investigate the physical mechanisms responsible for the 41,000-year glacial cycles of the late Pliocene and early Pleistocene periods. This research was primarily based on climate proxy records and supported by climate model results. It was concluded that variation in ice volume at precession and obliquity was directly connected to northern summer insolation, while the eccentricity component of the ice age cycle was caused by non-linear amplification mechanisms that were potentially phase-locked to summer insolation variation. Raymo investigated whether variations in the insolation gradient between high and low latitudes could have a large influence on high-latitude climate and ice volume. A single process model depicting the interactions with ice sheets allowed for testing of the insolation gradient influence on ice sheet growth and ablation. The studt concluded that insolation gradients have a strong influence on meridional energy transport, and possible the strength of wind systems, but did. not explain the dominance of 41-kyr observed.

The study was retested with new experimental processes, allowing for a more dynamic Antarctic ice sheet. Marine-based ice sheet margins replaced terrestrial ice margins around east Antarctica, causing a shift to ‘in-phase’ behavior of North and South ice sheets, also strengthening a 23-yyr cycle in the marine record.

reference

https://people.climate.columbia.edu/projects/view/1013

https://moraymo.us/projects/

Thermohaline circulation of the Atlantic Ocean

Climate models have been used to predict that enhanced temperatures and runoff in the Arctic-North Atlantic region could reduce sea ice cover and impact deep water convection in the Norwegian-Greenland Sea (NGS) region, a change that could have far-reaching effects on regional and global ocean circulation and climate (Raymo, Rind and Ruddiman, 1990). DSDP and ODP cores were used to examine longer geochemical records from the North Atlantic. Collected data suggested that the vertical structure of water columns at intermediate depths did not change significantly between glacial and interglacial time, despite changes in ice volume and iceberg delivery from nearby landmasses. These findings suggested that the past two primary sources of North deep water may have had different characteristic values over the Pleistocene era. In conclusion, it was suspected that current open sea ice conditions in the Norwegian-Greenland Sea are relatively rare and the deep water that forms in the region today is geologically unusual.

reference

https://moraymo.us/projects/

I would like your opinion on this and if these information is valid and if it should be added to her article under a new section for project or can we put this with her research?

Thank you Vincentp8790 (talk) 03:40, 5 October 2023 (UTC)


 * @Vincentp8790 There's too much detail about projects here, not enough detail about their significance. The average reader might be interested in the impacts, findings, major discoveries of her research, but not in this kind of detail. You should never be discussing "these findings suggest" kinds of stuff, and "in conclusion" generally shouldn't be a phrase used in Wikipedia.
 * In addition, this kind of stuff should be described by independent, secondary sources. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 14:11, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

sorry this is another section to the project part for Maureen
Plio-Pleistocene millennial-scale climate variability

High sedimentation cores from the late Pleistocene glacial cycles show that climate has varied continuously as short as a thousand years. Using previously recorded data Raymo investigated whether such millennial-scale oscillations occur under different climate boundary conditions, more specifically warmer climates. Using cores recovered from ODP Leg 162, Raymo documented the first early Pleistocene evidence for millennial-scale climate variability in records of iceberg discharge. Her findings suggested that such changes may be a pervasive and long-term characteristic of Earth’s climate (Raymo et al. (1998)). Raymo concluded that the mid-Pliocene warm interval was a time of relative climate stability. Conditions warmer than the present day did not necessarily enhance millennial scale variability in the climate system.

reference

https://moraymo.us/projects/

Time scale development

The time-scale development project provided a stratigraphic depiction of the global ice volume and temperature history of the deep ocean during the Plio-Pleistocene period. The model provides the geological community with an important stratigraphic tool, which could be used to facilitate the comparison of widely distributed marine climate records. This also gave revised identification and numbering of early-era marine isotope stages (2005 Lisiecki & Raymo).

reference

https://moraymo.us/projects/

Uplift-weathering hypothesis

The Uplift-Weathering Hypothesis proposed that the Ice Age was caused by enhanced chemical weathering and consumption of atmospheric CO2 in the mountainous regions of the Earth, especially the Himalayas. The Indian subcontinent collided with Asia creating the mountains which intensified the Asian monsoon. That rainfall combined with high mechanical erosion rates in the mountains may have caused much higher chemical weathering in the region. These chemical weathering reactions consumed atmospheric CO2, weakening the global greenhouse effect and causing the growth of continent-wide ice sheets at both poles. By 1992, Raymo’s original proposal that the marine strontium isotope record showed that chemical weathering had increased over the Cenozoic period was shown to be unsuitable for testing, due to its ambiguity. A major criticism was that chemical weathering rates on land could not increase without the enhanced metamorphic delivery of CO2 to the atmosphere, otherwise, CO2 would completely be stripped from the atmosphere and within a few hundred thousand years the Earth would be completely frozen. Raymo agreed that negative feedback was needed to stabilize the CO2 levels and argued that this feedback could come through the organic carbon sub-cycle. [Raymo & Ruddiman, 1992]. Since then, new proxies have been developed in collaboration with the hypothesis, and enrich the debate, while also providing support for the Uplift Weathering hypothesis.

reference

https://moraymo.us/projects/

Neogene ocean and climate history

The Neogene Ocean and Climate History Project used 45 records from Benthic and Planktonic Foraminifera and globally distributed sites to reconstruct records. An estimated global ice volume increase of 0.4 per mil was determined, the equivalent to an overall sea level decline of 43m. Northern Hemisphere Glaciation (NHG) started earlier than presumed, as early as 3.6 Ma and ended at 2.4 Ma. This long-term increase suggests slow, tectonic forcing such as modification of ocean gateways or mountain building as the root cause of NHG.

reference

https://moraymo.us/projects/

OPD leg 162

The Ocean Drilling Program Leg 162 sailed in the summer of 1995, south of Iceland. The project was suggested by Raymo along with a colleague, and the cores provided the first chance to study the long-term evolution of sub-Milankovitch climate variations in the North Atlantic, from the pre-glacial Pliocene period to the present day.

reference

https://moraymo.us/projects/

reference

Raymo, M.E., Jansen, E., Blum, P., and Herbert, T.D., Eds., 1999, Proceedings of the Ocean Drilling Program, Scientific Results, Vol. 162. pp. 273-275)

I would like it if you did the samething for this as well please

Thank you Vincentp8790 (talk) 03:47, 5 October 2023 (UTC)


 * @Vincentp8790 My comments from the previous section apply. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 14:11, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

I would like to add a publications section for Maureen
Maureen Raymo is a respected researcher with significant contributions to her field. She has refereed over 30 articles and studies, highlighting her extensive knowledge and dedication. Below is a list of her notable publications. Raymo's consistent work and expertise have made her a recognized figure in scientific research, providing valuable insights over the years.

reference

http://moraymo.us/publications/

list of publications


 * Raymo, C. and M. E. Raymo, 1989, Written In Stone – a Geological History of the Northeastern United States.
 * Jansen, E., M.E. Raymo, and P. Blum, editors, 1996, Proceedings of the Ocean Drilling Program, Initial Reports, Vol. 162: College Station, TX (Ocean Drilling Program)
 * Raymo, M. E., E. Jansen, P. Blum, and T. Herbert, editors, 1999, Proceedings of the Ocean Drilling Program, Scientific Results, Vol. 162: College Station, TX (Ocean Drilling Program)
 * Weber, M.E., Raymo, M.E., Peck, V.L., and Williams, T., 2018. Expedition 382 Scientific Prospectus: Iceberg Alley and South Falkland Slope Ice and Ocean Dynamics. International Ocean Discovery Program. https://doi.org/​10.14379/​iodp.sp.382.2018
 * Weber, M.E., Raymo, M.E., Peck, V.L., and Williams, T., 2019. Expedition 382 Preliminary Report: Iceberg Alley and Subantarctic Ice and Ocean Dynamics. International Ocean Discovery Program. https://doi.org/​10.14379/​iodp.pr.382.2019
 * Weber, M.E., Raymo, M.E., Peck, V.L., Williams, T., and the Expedition 382 Scientists, 2021, Iceberg Alley and Subantarctic Ice and Ocean Dynamics. Proceedings of the International Ocean Discovery Program, 382: College Station, TX (International Ocean Discovery Program), https://doi.org/ 10.14379/ iodp.proc.382.2021

I would like your opinion if this is valid to add to her article please and thank you? Vincentp8790 (talk) 04:32, 5 October 2023 (UTC)


 * @Vincentp8790
 * This kind of observation absolutely has to come from a reliable secondary source, and unless it's something you could source independently from several sources, it should be attributed. "So-and-so described Raymo as..." kind of thing.
 * I'm not sure what you mean by "refereed", but if you mean "reviewed" I'd expect someone in her position to be peer reviewing a dozen articles a year, likely more. On the other hand if you mean she has published more than 30 articles...that's incredibly low for someone in her position (and her Google Scholar profile suggests it's closer to 300).
 * This isn't something you should say in Wikipedia. "Extensive knowledge" is vague; anyone with a PhD should have "extensive knowledge" - it's pretty much a requirement to earn the degree. It ends up being filler. "Dedication", on the other hand, is an opinion. Unsourced opinions shouldn't be in Wikipedia. If they're going to be used they should be explicitly attributed to someone whose opinion is noteworthy.
 * Some people add "selected" publications but others think it's a bad idea (because it's based on editorial decisions that are unclear to readers). I recommend avoiding it. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 14:24, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
 * This isn't something you should say in Wikipedia. "Extensive knowledge" is vague; anyone with a PhD should have "extensive knowledge" - it's pretty much a requirement to earn the degree. It ends up being filler. "Dedication", on the other hand, is an opinion. Unsourced opinions shouldn't be in Wikipedia. If they're going to be used they should be explicitly attributed to someone whose opinion is noteworthy.
 * Some people add "selected" publications but others think it's a bad idea (because it's based on editorial decisions that are unclear to readers). I recommend avoiding it. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 14:24, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Some people add "selected" publications but others think it's a bad idea (because it's based on editorial decisions that are unclear to readers). I recommend avoiding it. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 14:24, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

I would like to added new information to the research section for Maureen article
Despite much of her contribution in research and studying of the earth and its history such as her hypothesis of Uplift-Weathering and how it has impacted the earth surface and climate. Her involvement in research on ocean climate cycles and past ocean climate and levels. However some of her more recent work is on remodeling past warmer climates and its effect on sea level and ice volume, in response to the effects of global warming on ocean sea level. She has also done other research such as the impact of melting ice sheets towards sea level change, finding out how to read different levels of ice sheet as to when it is considered safe and not safe. Lastly, understanding the relationships between sea level changes and its effect on the coastline.

References


 * https://people.climate.columbia.edu/users/profile/maureen-e-raymo
 * https://moraymo.us/

I would like your opinion if this is valid and should be added to her article page, please and thank you Vincentp8790 (talk) 05:12, 5 October 2023 (UTC)


 * @Vincentp8790 Your first sentence is a sentence fragment. Be careful about these things. Avoid words like "however" because they imply a contrast - either be explicit with contrasts or avoid them. Phrases like "has done other research such as" is filler. You should avoid that sort of stuff in Wikipedia articles.
 * And find independent sources. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 14:28, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
 * If I correct those changes can I add it to her article? Vincentp8790 (talk) 14:44, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
 * @Vincentp8790 can you find independent sources? Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 16:45, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

Hamas
Ian, although the course began 8/29, the student editor assigned to Hamas, [noping], only just posted at Talk:Hamas today about their course. Although I don't think there's a policy that would prohibit their working on it outright, there were already many cautions in the long, Talk page header before the war started, and given the current situation, this seems like a really poor choice of article for any new editor, whether Wiki Ed or otherwise. I would caution anyone to avoid it, as reverts and strife are just around the corner, and it's hardly the type of article to cut your teeth on. Curiously, they are the only editor with an assignment on the course page, and it's poorly formatted, which leads me to believe they assigned it to themself. Not sure what you think about all this. (They previously added a course assignment template to Talk:Israeli-occupied territories, but then self-reverted.) Mathglot (talk) 08:16, 12 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Mathglot, Ian is out this week, but thanks for the heads up. I've communicated with the student and the instructor about the article selection, and recommended they select another article to work on. Thanks again! Brianda (Wiki Ed) (talk) 19:21, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * @Brianda (Wiki Ed): Please note that since they do not have 500 edits and 30 days, they are prohibited from editing about Israel-Palestine even if they found a non-ECP article. -- Guerillero Parlez Moi 19:25, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * thanks, all! Mathglot (talk) 19:30, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Resolving Flags to site
Hi Ian - I hope you can help. There are multiple issues noted on the Linda Gass wiki page. The page is an orphan (no other pages link to it and the finder does not successfully locate and suggest any options - so no fix available for now) - but there are 2 other notices: reads like an ad and edit for manual of style. The entry seems to have been edited quite a bit over time but the 2 notices remain. I see that questions have been posted multiple times asking if anyone can specifically share what the issue is and rx how to fix, but there are no specific/elucidating responses to those inquires. Can you please review, advise, and if appropriate, remove any resolved flags? Your guidance and assistance would be very much appreciated. ContributionsToWiki (talk) 03:12, 13 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi . I think one of the major problems with the article is the lengthy list of exhibitions. That's more like what you'd have on a CV and less like what you'd expect in an encylcopaedia article. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 14:54, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi, . I've left suggestions on Talk:Linda Gass. Happy editing! BlackcurrantTea (talk) 04:54, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

No Longer a Student at Simmons
Hi Ian -- I am no longer a student at Simmons. I would like to keep editing and contributing with this account. Can you please remove the "student editor" from my account. I'm actually a college professor who is interested in using Wikipedia as an assignment for one of my own courses. I hope you can help. Artnerd13 (talk) 19:05, 19 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi . You can remove the template by clicking on it in edit mode and using delete or backspace to remove it. You can do the same with the one on your user page.
 * If you're interested in teaching a class with Wikipedia, and you're in the US or Canada, please get in touch with my colleague Helaine at helaine@undefinedwikiedu.org Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 19:21, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Source Formatting
Hello,

I wanted to ask about a reference that I have added to the “Animal track” Wiki page. I had written the following in APA format:

Petso, T., Jamisola, R. S., Jr., & Mpoeleng, D. (2022). Review on methods used for wildlife species and individual identification. European Journal of Wildlife Research, 68(1). doi:10.1007/s10344-021-01549-4

A comment was made stating that there is a problem with the date. Would you be able to explain what the issue is? Perhaps give an example of a properly formatted reference? Karlee15 (talk) 14:02, 1 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi . The problem isn't on your end, it's with the way the Cite tool sometimes creates dated in citation versus how the underlying software of Wikipedia wants dates to be displayed.
 * The tool created a date that was of the form 2022-02. The software wants either just a years of year-month-date. I fixed it for you, but you can make these changes by clicking on the number of a citation (where it appears in the text, not in the reference section) when you're in edit mode. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 15:52, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Question about Diagnostic Criteria Inclusion
Hi Ian! I am editing an article as part of a class at my medical school, and I noticed the article listed the entire, specific diagnostic criteria for a disease. After reading the medical style guide, I am still unsure whether including the specific diagnostic criteria in the article is recommended or if it is better to summarize. Thank you for your help!

Mhowiki (talk) 02:09, 5 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Mhowiki. My guess is that it would be better to summarise, but I think you should ask at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Medicine and see what the community has to say. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 15:23, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Questions involving edits done to European eel article
Hi Ian!

I am editing the European eel article. I have all of my changes saved in my sandbox and I just moved them over to the main article. I noticed that the in-text-citation numbers are different sizes in some spots. In addition, some sources were added to the references section multiple times when that didn't happen on my sandbox page. Finally, the Commercial Fisheries heading is formatted poorly and wedged next to a couple pictures so that it's easily missed in read mode but looks fine beneath the pictures on edit mode. A little bit of help with resolving these issues would be much appreciated. Thank you and have a wonderful day!

-my European eel article sandbox      European eel - Wikipedia article

Chipmonkey9 (talk) 21:45, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Student draft in mainspace
Hi, Ian. One of the students moved Gemmatimonas groenlandica sp. nov to mainspace, and as you can see, it's far from ready to be there. I've not got the page mover right, or I'd send it back. Would you please move it and let know it needs more work? Or if there's another procedure I should use / person I should contact, please let me know. Thanks, BlackcurrantTea (talk) 03:49, 9 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks @BlackcurrantTea! I've moved it back to their sandbox and will let them know. Letting me know works (and it isn't usually as slow at this weekend, when I was off for a few days). Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 14:29, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

User:Eenock9
Hi Ian. One of the students of Wikipedia:Wiki Ed/Nazareth University/Equitable Big Data (Fall) is embedding external links into the body of Critical data studies. I've removed them once, they re-added them, and I removed them again. I can't tell if Eenock9 is trying to add the links as embedded citations or as some type of quasi-H:WIKILINK. Regardless, neither of those two things are acceptable any more. So, if they're trying to add citations, then perhaps they should review whatever materials/modules Wiki-ED provides for citations and re-add them as inline citations. If they're trying to create "Wikilinks", then perhaps they should review the guidance provided for linking because Wikilinks can't be created that way.Eenock9 also tried to add a bunch of citations with this edit, but they added one of them to a section heading and the others were just floating around in the "References" section so that they were pushed to the bottom of the page. I combined the floaters into a WP:GENREF subsection and removed the one from the heading. These too probably can be re-added as inline citations if they meet WP:RS. Thanks in advance. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:51, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Student, stuck and confused
Hi,

This week I am supposed to be reviewing a class members edits, and I cannot figure out how to navigate to the correct Sandbox to find the other student's work. I think I am supposed to be here User:Cvaquera59/Online gambling but I cannot find any work there. I am also going to check with my class instructor. I don't want to continue to keep the classmate from having their work reviewed. Any help or training you can point me to is greatly appreciated. Thank you.

T57fd (talk) 14:09, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi, . If I understand the dashboard correctly (I'm not a WikiEd person, but a regular Wikipedia editor), Cvaquera59 doesn't have a draft ready. On Cvaquera59's page there, the Sandbox Draft link should be blue, meaning that there's something there, like the one on your own page, instead of a red link (nothing there). I don't think there's anything for you to review yet. Do check with your instructor; perhaps your classmate's been in touch with them. Happy editing, BlackcurrantTea (talk) 15:21, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much for your quick reply. I was really concerned I was holding someone else up. This was really helpful. Have a wonderful day! T57fd (talk) 14:28, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

How do I make this page go live?
User:Dcole123/Harry Tschopik Jr. Dcole123 (talk) 17:48, 11 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @Dcole123 looks like you've figured it out. Is there anything else I can help you with? Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 14:23, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

References in Adult attention deficit hyperactivity disorder
Hi Ian,

I have been editing the Adult attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, and one of the main things I have been doing is adding/updating references of secondary literature published within the past 5 years. As I've been adding references, I've also been updating the information within the article to match what the updated research states. As a result, I have ended up deleting portions of the existing article (along with the citations) to add my updated information. I noticed the error codes (included in screenshot below) at the bottom of the references section of the article, and I'm not sure how to remove/fix this. Any help you can provide with this matter would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you in advance for your help, Medstud15 (talk) 18:06, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi . The problem with those references is that they're in a template at the bottom of the page. (You can see them if you switch to source mode and scroll down to the references section.) I commented them out (using  tags). I'm happy to fix any more errors that pop up this way; please let me know if you need me to.
 * (This is why I'm not a fan of using references in a template at the bottom of the article - they're rather difficult for new editors to manage, but throw up their big ugly errors if you do things wrong.) Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 19:08, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * A good solution in cases like this is move the citations (uncommented) to the "Further reading" (as citations, without the &lt;ref> tags). This will avoid generating the errors, while still retaining the utility of having full citations for good sources, without hiding them. I've made this change in this edit. Mathglot (talk) 11:30, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for making this edit for me. Is there a tutorial or can you explain how you move those references? In case I need to do so again as I continue to make my edits. Medstud15 (talk) 14:30, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much . Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 20:24, 15 November 2023 (UTC)