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1st Cavalry Division (United States)
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Hi, I'm Sarah. First of all thanks for all your contributions. I just wanted to remind you to use edit summaries when editing as it helps other editors know what you did. This edit for example looked like section blanking to me and if I hadn't looked at the talk page and seen the previous discussion regarding that section I may have reverted your edit as an unexplained removal of sourced content. In that case a simple note like "see talk page" would help other editors know its a legitimate edit. Thanks. Regards Sarahj2107 (talk) 12:44, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Sarah, I will comply. I am still learning the process and will try to remember to cite my edits so others can better judge them. I do enjoy editing and revising Wikipedia pages that are in my areas of expertise. All the best, Icemanwcs (talk) 03:01, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

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Thanks for noticing the error. I believe I fixed the problem. Bob

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While it's great that you're making some additions to Vietnam War articles, it might be better if you used reliable secondary sources instead of material that you wrote. Using your own publications can be problematic in the Wikipedia environment. If you have any questions about sourcing, the folks at WikiProject Military History are quite helpful. Feel free to drop by either my talk page or MilHist's main talk page if you have any questions. Thanks! Intothatdarkness 15:28, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your suggestion. I try to use primary sources whenever possible as I'm more confident of its accuracy but I certainly understand your concern and will do my best to cite reliable secondary sources. All the best, Icemanwcs — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.43.253.90 (talk) 05:20, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I understand, but Wiki tends to frown on primary sources, especially when you're the author. Intothatdarkness 13:36, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
 * One of the challenges with Wikipedia is that it's really a tertiary source as an encyclopedia. Those sorts of articles are created using reliable secondary sources. When I was going through the Signal Hill article I found at least one misquote of a source (one of the quotations to Tolson's airmobility study was wrong, even though you had it in quotations marks indicating that it was a direct quote), and you're not providing page numbers. Wikipedia style prefers page numbers with citations, so that other researchers and readers can go back and look at the original source (either to verify or to learn something further about the subject). You also can't make claims about an operation or mission that aren't found in a reliable secondary source. Vietnam is one of my "real life" subject areas, and I feel the coverage here is very weak. To correct that we need to build robust, well-sourced articles...and that takes secondary sources here. It's not my preferred style of writing, either, but it's what we must work with when we contribute here. Intothatdarkness 19:24, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Intothatdarkness, Thanks for your observation and concerns they will be corrected. Some of the work I did on that page was when I was out-of-state and did not have access to all my sources, I apologize for the mistake(s) and page numbers will be added. I appreciate your Vietnam service. It's vital we get history right and get it out there, Icemanwcsa — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.43.253.90 (talk) 19:37, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Need your attention re your article
I've suggested deletion of Battle of Signal Hill Vietnam (see Articles for deletion/Battle of Signal Hill Vietnam) and have also raised the question of the copyright for this material at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject Copyright Cleanup. Your input is invited for both these discussions. Thank you. Mangoe (talk) 17:01, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Dear Mangoe and Intothatdarkness, I left a message on the user talk page regarding your concerns on the Battle of Signal Hill Vietnam but do not see my reply posted so I am rewriting it. The Battle of Signal Hill is very notable and Lurps was cited because ten years of dedicated research went into both editions. The work is authoritative and is recognized by the U.S. Army Center for Military History, Washington, D.C., and the U.S. Army Ranger School, Fort Benning, Georgia. The Battle of Signal Hill webpage is a starting point and I plan to add new detail, secondary sources, and photos, unfortunately it all takes time, I'm only one person. Delete the work if you must, but please be aware you are throwing away relevant history and the sacrifice of many men who gave their lives to secured a remote mountaintop so thousands of other men could have vital radio communication in the most formidable enemy held territory in South Vietnam, A Shau Valley. Again, thank you very much, your concerns will be addressed if given time, Icemanwcs — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.43.253.90 (talk) 19:22, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
 * See above for some thoughts on this. It's not a matter necessarily of deleting the article but fixing it so that it meets Wikipedia standards. Intothatdarkness 19:26, 13 August 2013 (UTC)


 * There are two problems here which you need to understand:
 * the copyright issue: We don't have a good way of verifying your identity, so just posting text on an article talk page is probably not going to be good enough an indication that you've given us permission to republish material from elsewhere that you have written. You'll most likely need to go through the WP:OTRS procedures for us to be assured that you are who you say you are and so forth. Also, I'm not a copyright specialist, but I personally would have doubts about us republishing material which was already published under someone else's copyright. We would need confidence that rights have reverted to you.
 * the original research issue: Wikipedia does not publish original research. Assuming your books and articles were recognized as "reliable", they could be used in synthesis with other works as long as they are not used to draw novel conclusions (i.e., you could use them to ratify each other). But we're not going to accept an article which is based on analysis of primary sources. It's not that we think there's something wrong with that sort of work overall; it's just not what we do.
 * The name of the article is an example of how this works. I cannot find anyone else calling this the "Battle of Signal Hill". I can see where Signal Hill comes into this, but I get the impression that you've taken your notion of this as a battle unto itself and used it to give this unit-of-battle a name. An you're welcome to do that elsewhere, but until you get everyone else using the same name for the same section of the conflict, we cannot accept the name. We cannot be put in the position of advocating that this part of the war be called by a name you've assigned it. If you can find others using the same name for the same place-and-time in the war, then we would be able to say, "OK, there's this battle with this name." But until then, there's going to be a problem, and you're going to find yourself in a lot of conflict with other editors who may hold you to these rules. Mangoe (talk) 19:31, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Mangoe and Intothedarkness, there are a number of issues you raise. Please be assured if given time all concerns will be addressed. The battle of Signal Hill is discussed among other sources on p. 146 of Anatomy of a Division: The 1st Cav in Vietnam, Shelby L. Stanton, Presidio Press, Novato, Ca (1987); "No Peace in the Valley," (cover story), Vietnam magazine, Oct. 2008, 26--31; and LRRP Company Command: The Cav's LRP/Rangers in Vietnam, 1968--69, pps. 3--5, Kregg P.J. Jorgenson, Ballintine Books (2000). Regarding copyright concerns, my writings in Vietnam magazine have reverted once they were published and the partial citing of the two editions Lurps have been encouraged by my publisher, Rowman & Littlefield, Lanham, MD. As to assuring you who I am I would be happy to call, have you call me, or for me to forward a letterhead, however, I understand that really assures nothing, There is, however, a simple way to resolve this issue and that is to call Grosse Ile Police Department, (734) 676-7100, Chief Joseph Porcarelli or Deputy Chief John Szczepaniak, who can assure my identity. Your concerns of primary sources are also valid, but again please be advised what I posted is a starting point, I need to go back and cite secondary sources. They're in my bibliography but are not listed individually as footnotes, so please allow time so I can include more specifics, add photos, and make this webpage proudly serve historians and Wikipedia alike, Icemanwcs — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.43.253.90 (talk) 09:06, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
 * The Stanton book you mentioned is good, as is his book on Rangers in Vietnam (which would be considered a reliable source for this article per Wikipedia's standards). Jorgensen's book is also good, but you go back to issues with primary source/memoir things. Wikipedia tends to prefer sources like Stanton, which are built on primary and secondary sources. It's frustrating, I know (I prefer original research), but it's how the place works. Also, when you cite sources you need to include page numbers. At the risk of appearing immodest, I'd refer you to Battle of FSB Mary Ann for an example of how this is done. I spent some time overhauling that article to bring it closer to standards. It's not perfect by any means, but it gives you a decent example. Any of the MilHist A class articles are also great examples. As an aside, I'm not worried about verifying your identity. My concern is making sure Vietnam articles comply with Wikipedia standards. Intothatdarkness 15:07, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Intothatdarkness and Mangoe, I appreciate Wikipedia's idea not to delete the Battle of Signal Hill Vietnam page, but to merge it with the Company E, 52nd Infantry (LRP) page. There were other concerns expressed about citing secondary sources and visiting the Battle of FSB Mary Ann page, which is certainly well-written and serves as a great example of the standard that Wikipedia seeks. It is my goal to meet all requests and to make my work of similar standard. However, I do need time and I think the decision to merge the two pages will not serve military historians and veterans adequately because the Battle of Signal Hill is a notable battle in and of itself, especially among 1st Cav Vietnam veterans, LRPs, and Army Rangers (there are additional sources I can cite that refer to that mountaintop as Signal Hill). So my thought is melding it with Company E would work but it won't be as searchable and the length of the Battle of Signal Hill page would overwhelm the brief length of the battles presented on the Company E page. Company E needs more development as they fought to the end of the war and they participated in many other battles. However, because of the number those operations and battles, they are only presented in brief on the Company E page. Can Wikipedia reconsider its decision, thanks Icemanwcs (talk) 05:46, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Intothatdarkness, several days ago I revised the Company E in film section to make it less opinionated but he facts are true...I can source key issues. Regarding merging the Battle of Signal Hill Vietnam page with the Company E, 52nd Infantry (LRP) page, I raised issues above why the Battle of Signal Hill Vietnam page would best stand alone. And on further thinking I was planning on posting several photos into the Battle of Signal Hill Vietnam page. Two choppers crashed on top of that mountaintop because of the altitude strain on engine and rotor lift performance. One, injured two men on insertion, the other severely injured/ killed several men...I have photos of that and other dramatic scenes. Again, to post that detail in the Company E, 52nd Infantry (LRP) page would be inappropriate as that page addresses many operations and battles but only in brief. Please reconsider merging both pages and please let me have one week to address the editorial concerns you addressed. Afterward I will begin plugging in photos to both pages. Thanks, (please note, I didn't see the comments I wrote last night on another talk page so I'm plugging it in both places, Icemanwcs (talk) 16:06, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

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Intothatdarkness and Mangoe, I appreciate Wikipedia's idea not to delete the Battle of Signal Hill Vietnam page, but to merge it with the Company E, 52nd Infantry (LRP) page. There were other concerns expressed about citing secondary sources and visiting the Battle of FSB Mary Ann page, which is certainly well-written and serves as a great example of the standard that Wikipedia seeks. It is my goal to meet all requests and to make my work of similar standard. However, I do need time and I think the decision to merge the two pages will not serve military historians and veterans adequately because the Battle of Signal Hill is a notable battle in and of itself, especially among 1st Cav Vietnam veterans, LRPs, and Army Rangers (there are additional sources I can cite that refer to that mountaintop as Signal Hill). So my thought is melding it with Company E would work but it won't be as searchable and the length of the Battle of Signal Hill page would overwhelm the brief length of the battles presented on the Company E page. Company E needs more development as they fought to the end of the war and they participated in many other battles. However, because of the number those operations and battles, they are only presented in brief on the Company E page. Can Wikipedia reconsider its decision, thanks Icemanwcs (talk) 05:46, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Intothatdarkness, several days ago I revised the Company E in film section to make it less opinionated but he facts are true...I can source key issues. Regarding merging the Battle of Signal Hill Vietnam page with the Company E, 52nd Infantry (LRP) page, I raised issues above why the Battle of Signal Hill Vietnam page would best stand alone. And on further thinking I was planning on posting several photos into the Battle of Signal Hill Vietnam page. Two choppers crashed on top of that mountaintop because of the altitude strain on engine and rotor lift performance. One, injured two men on insertion, the other severely injured/ killed several men...I have photos of that and other dramatic scenes. Again, to post that detail in the Company E, 52nd Infantry (LRP) page would be inappropriate as that page addresses many operations and battles but only in brief. Please reconsider merging both pages and please let me have one week to address the editorial concerns you addressed. Afterward I will begin plugging in photos to both pages. Thanks, (please note, I didn't see the comments I wrote last night on another talk page so I'm plugging it in both places, Icemanwcs (talk) 16:06, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

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HasteurBot, Thanks, I found the original posting and will edited it soon. Community Alienation and Its Impact on Police is a scholarly posting that I'm certain will help the criminal justice and law enforcement community. Again, thanks for reminding me, I will edit the page soon, Icemanwcs (talk) 18:48, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

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Hello Anotherclown, Thanks, I'd be happy to join. I'm in and out of town often and spend a lot of time with the military but I'd be pleased to do what I can.Icemanwcs (talk) 03:26, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

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 * Binksternet|Binksternet, thanks for your suggestions. I thought I was contributing knowledge worthwhile for the pages but I agree I posted it too much, thanks Icemanwcs (talk) 18:07, 17 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Binksternet|Binksternet, on looking over the sites I think you should have kept the information on the machine gun page and submachine gun page as it was certainly relevant there and you should not have reverted the alphabetizing I did on all the links Icemanwcs (talk) 18:14, 17 June 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry about messing up your alphabetization. The link you posted so many times is an article about military firearm appraisal. Wikipedia does not currently have a page named Military firearm appraisal, nor a page named Firearm appraisal, and not even a page named Gun collecting, all of which would be appropriate places for that link. The closest I found on Wikipedia was Antique firearms which involves both military and civilian guns.
 * Specific firearms models such as the M50 Reising do not need this link about general military firearm appraisal. It is off-topic. Binksternet (talk) 19:09, 17 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Binksternet|Binksternet, thanks for your response. Your suggestions are correct. I will recreate the Military firearm appraisal page when I get the chance as I think it is a popular topic (please see the above--I created it a couple of years ago and then it was automatically deleted for whatever reason). Thanks again for your suggestions and I apologize, also. Icemanwcs (talk) 02:32, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

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Thanks, I will donate the material. The text still needs editing, references, and photos.Icemanwcs (talk) 05:19, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

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Hi, Icemanwcs. My name is MJ94 and I was the person who tagged Military firearms appraisal as a candidate for speedy deletion. The CSD criterion that the article fell into at the time of its original deletion was CSD G12 (unambiguous copyright infringement). Since the article's original deletion, I noticed that you said the article's content was originally posted on your website. If you would like, you may grant us permission to copy the material so that it won't be considered a copyright violation. Keep in mind that all content on Wikipedia should be considered notable, contain reliable sources, and be written from a neutral point of view. Your first article may also be useful to you. If you have any questions or concerns, don't hesitate to ask for help from myself or any other Wikipedian. Best, MJ94 (talk) 19:49, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Hello MJ94 and thanks for your response. Yes, I would be happy to donate my work to Wikipedia where the information can serve a much larger audience. I'm confident that the material is not only notable and written from a neutral point of view but that the knowledge offered is original and would serve the vast firearms collecting community. Please note, when I submitted the article for publication I mistakenly said, "Military firearm appraisal" whereas I should have said, Military Firearms Appraisal.
 * Also, if you decide to keep this posting I will need time to edit, cite references, links, and post photos to bring it up to speed of an encyclopedic / Wikipedia posting. Thanks again, Icemanwcs (talk) 17:34, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi Icemanwcs, WP:DONATETEXT will be a good read for you if you'd like to donate any work you have. I appreciate your enthusiasm to help Wikipedia – it may seem challenging at first, but it does get easier. I have one tip for you: When you're in a conversation thread on a talk page such as this one, it's recommended that proper indentation be used in order to keep discussions easier to read. As the aforementioned link states, one can indent their message by adding a leading ":" in their comments. I have edited this thread to use proper indentation so that you may see how it works – feel free to try it out here! If you happen to reply, I have this page on my watchlist, so there is no need to alert me to new messages placed in this discussion. I do apologize for my delay in replying and would like to let you know that I am expecting to be away from Wikipedia (at least regularly) for the next week or two. My replies until I return will likely be few and far between; until then, I wish you the best of luck! MJ94 (talk) 00:49, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Hello MJ94, thanks for the suggestion and I posted the following release as requested on my website page "The Financial Assessment of Military Small Arms" The text of this page is available for modification and reuse under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution-Sharealike 3.0 Unported License and the GNU Free Documentation License (unversioned, with no invariant sections, front-cover texts, or back-cover texts). Please note, as previously stated, if Wikipedia accepts this work I will need some time to edit, cites references, links, and post photos. I'm confident it will provide unique and notable information. Also note, the first paragraph didn't show on my original submission. All the best, Icemanwcs (talk) 23:57, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Hello MJ94 I haven't heard if you would like me to repost Military Firearms Appraisal so the information can be shared. I think the site will provide much useful information and would be popular because it is novel allowing other related sites to share links. Thanks Icemanwcs (talk) 18:24, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

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 * Hello (talk) I only saw your notification today or I would have addressed your concerns immediately. First, it seems years of my published work and references were removed regardless of their relevance. Many of the deletions are from sites I created, e.g., Company E, 52nd Infantry (LRP), a unit I spent six years researching and writing the first edition of my book LURPS and another four years writing the second revised edition. I also served with that unit in Vietnam. LURPS was published by an academic press and is an authoritative source. I was invited to Fort Benning, GA, by the US Army Rangers in 2006 to speak about the history of the unit. The other references cited on the page were placed by me. I do add additional sources where appropriate on other pages. The fact that LURPS is my work and I direct readers to my website is to further explain unit history or show battlefield photos that are not appropriate for Wikipedia and this should be recognized as a contribution to history, not as self-serving though it my appear so at a quick glance. Another example is the Wikipedia site Social Alienation. The very first sentence and definition on that page is from my doctoral dissertation which was published in the scientific journal Policing and the Police Chief magazine. And now that reference is gone as if that definition is not authoritative. There are many other sites where I either created or did extensive work and those references are also gone but my work was left intact without any references. This seems to have been done with a broad brush regardless of the individual content. I do agree that my reference on the Wikipedia site Running may have been wrong, however, I thought the article would be of interest and the site was requesting references. Yes, my reference on that page was not authoritative but my view was it's a starting point. As I said I worked for years on Wikipedia and I periodically come back to sites with new or additional information and source material or photos. On January 8 I received the following message ":NB On further review I see that Robert Ankony may very well be an expert on several of the relevant topics, per "The U.S. .45 Model 50 And 55 Reising Submachine Gun And Model 60 Semiautomatic Rifle" and Lurps: A Ranger's Diary of Tet, Khe Sanh, A Shau, and Quang Tri]. Still, it'd be good if you review the WP:EL to avoid any problems. Thanks for your contributions to WP and, if you're he, your service to the nation. Rezin (talk) 23:09, 8 January 2015 (UTC)". I think it would serve history and Wikipedia users if the references and external links are restored. If they are I would be happy to review the sites and remove any links or references that are not of specific need and you could review my work. Thank you, Icemanwcs (talk) 07:42, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
 * The references can be of interest on some pages (but in some cases the information is added to pages where it is not the subject and it starts to look like cross-posting it everywhere - we have pages on the relevant battles where it could be appropriate, it is not appropriate on pages about combat training, or certain groups, or the type of weapon people were carrying, etc. - that is all too indirect unless it was especially important).
 * Regarding the references, the book does not need a working link to an online copy, mentioning the ISBN 0761843736 or ISBN 9780761843733 is enough, people will then be able to find where they want to see the contents of a copy, or whether they want to buy it; for the articles, please link to the original, not to the copy hosted on your website or another website, as the primary point to go. And please be very careful in applying our conflict of interest guideline and Wikimedia's m:Terms of use (you are almost exclusively citing your own work, which looks like promoting your own work, and one might expect you to 'be compensated' in the form of selling more books or more indirect personal gain from that).  --T  C 06:32, 18 January 2015 (UTC)


 * T  C  I read your posting and will comply. I will start by working on the sites that need referencing, e.g., Long Rang Reconnaissance Patrol; Company E, 52nd Infantry (LRP); and Proactive Policy so other editors can follow my path. I will be out of town later this week so there will be a lag. I would like to add my intent was to get information out. I cross-referenced many Wikipedia sites as I did writings on my website to each other and to Wikipedia. I was never financially compensated but felt rewarded by getting scholarly accounts of history and knowledge out. Thank you, Icemanwcs (talk) 19:53, 19 January 2015 (UTC)


 * It's getting late at night but I wanted to thank the Wikipedia community for re-posting the references to many of the military sites. It's been an honor.Icemanwcs (talk) 08:37, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

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 * (talk) 19:36, 16 January 2015 (UTC) Is your posting "Another Link Spam Warning" in regards to the past or are you referring to recent edits on Wikipedia? I did read link spammer and appreciate your concerns for the Wikipedia community and I do acknowledge some fault here. But again it wan't with the intent of self-promoting it was with the intent of getting information out or linking relevant sites to key battles of the Vietnam War as fought by US Army Rangers/Long Range Reconnaissance Patrols provided on my website. Thank you for acknowledging the work of the articles I created. I understand your goal to use secondary sources rather than primary sources whenever possible. I also believe I understand exactly what you are saying: I can cite my work but to do it sparingly and to contribute more work, opinions, and references from other sources. I will do that but I need to address one matter: Much of the work already on those pages are text or summarized text from my book or other writings and it would be a disservice to Wikipedia users to not have those sources known. Thanks again, Icemanwcs (talk) 06:16, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

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 * (talk) Thank you for alerting me to this issue. I wrote my response late last night and only made several minor changes this morning to clarify English and the point I was making. I don't think the edits infringed on any response made by another editor. I will keep the guidelines in mind when using the noticeboard in future.Icemanwcs (talk) 20:15, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

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Greetings from the Military history WikiProject! Elections for the Military history WikiProject Coordinators are currently underway. As a member of the WikiProject you are cordially invited to take part by casting your vote(s) for the candidates on the election page. This year's election will conclude at 23:59 UTC 29 September. Thank you for your time. For the current tranche of Coordinators, AustralianRupert (talk) 10:39, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Are you still alive?
Is this: you? Mztourist (talk) 07:47, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

2017 Military Historian of the Year and Newcomer of the Year nominations and voting
As we approach the end of the year, the Military History project is looking to recognise editors who have made a real difference. Each year we do this by bestowing two awards: the Military Historian of the Year and the Military History Newcomer of the Year. The co-ordinators invite all project members to get involved by nominating any editor they feel merits recognition for their contributions to the project. Nominations for both awards are open between 00:01 on 2 December 2017 and 23:59 on 15 December 2017. After this, a 14-day voting period will follow commencing at 00:01 on 16 December 2017. Nominations and voting will take place on the main project talkpage: here and here. Thank you for your time. For the co-ordinators, MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 08:35, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

User group for Military Historians
Greetings,

"Military history" is one of the most important subjects when speak of sum of all human knowledge. To support contributors interested in the area over various language Wikipedias, we intend to form a user group. It also provides a platform to share the best practices between military historians, and various military related projects on Wikipedias. An initial discussion was has been done between the coordinators and members of WikiProject Military History on English Wikipedia. Now this discussion has been taken to Meta-Wiki. Contributors intrested in the area of military history are requested to share their feedback and give suggestions at Talk:Discussion to incubate a user group for Wikipedia Military Historians.

MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 11:30, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

April 2021 WikiProject Military History Reviewing Drive
Hey y'all, the April 2021 WikiProject Military History Reviewing Drive begins at 00:01 UTC on April 1, 2021 and runs through 23:59 UTC on April 31, 2021. Points can be earned through reviewing articles on the AutoCheck report, reviewing articles listed at WP:MILHIST/ASSESS, reviewing MILHIST-tagged articles at WP:GAN or WP:FAC, and reviewing articles submitted at WP:MILHIST/ACR. Service awards and barnstars are given for set points thresholds, and the top three finishers will receive further awards. To participate, sign up at WikiProject_Military_History/April 2021 Reviewing Drive and create a worklist at WikiProject Military history/April 2021 Reviewing Drive/Worklists (examples are given). Further details can be found at the drive page. Questions can be asked at the drive talk page. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 17:25, 31 March 2021 (UTC)