User talk:Icewhiz/Archive 2

Opinion pieces as sources
You readded an opinion piece already removed twice from the article here. Opinion pieces should not be used for statements of facts. Your other source, the Daily Express, is not explicitly discallowed (as the Daily Mail is), but is still a trash tabloid, not the kind of neutral quality source we should use for such articles and such controversial issues. Please at least remove the opinion piece and try to find a much better source for the "money" situation, or remove the section altogether. Fram (talk) 11:12, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
 * The Daily Express piece was not an opinion piece but rather reporting (I did keep the existing times of Israel opinion - had an edit collision with MrX - my intent was to add a more reliable source to the existing claim). I agree this isn't a great source. I think I will choose to wait, stepping back (aside for talk) in this case for a few days (after stepping in with a better, but still not great source) - as more reliable sources might emerge - seems this is a developing issue - pushed by the Israeli government yesterday and in the past few days - so it might be best to wait and see what develops.Icewhiz (talk) 11:47, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Discretionary sanctions at 2017 Jerusalem Light Rail stabbing
You just violated the discretionary sanctions on 2017 Jerusalem Light Rail stabbing by restoring this edit without consensus:. Maybe you missed the large, yellow edit notice that says Editors to this page: ....are required to obtain consensus through discussion before restoring a reverted edit. I urge you to self-revert, otherwise you may be sanctioned.- MrX 11:14, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
 * First of all - I'm sorry if I was out of line - I added this concurrently to your edit (I started writing before you saved) - and did so to add a source - which was not an opinion piece, but rather contained both the funding claim and responses by various political figures - and was reporting -. I believed this corrected the sourcing issue (daily mail being unreliable, and the times of Israel - which is an opinion piece) - made this relevant, as the comment for removal cited sourcing.Icewhiz (talk) 11:40, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Understood. I would urge you to be very careful editing articles subject to discretionary sanctions in the future. I have started a talk page discussion about this content in case you care to join it. Best. - a request by the Labour Friends of Israel asking Theresa May|Mr]]X 11:52, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
 * A reliable source has now emerged:"May urged to secure pledge from PA over Bladon murder", The Jewish Chronicle, Lee Harpin (news article), 25 April 2017. . A rewuest made to Theresa May by Labour Friends of Israel.E.M.Gregory (talk) 19:28, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
 * + also . But I think we'll see a bit more here. The Netanyahu government is swinging a club in the funding of terrorist by the PA - both vs. the Trump admin, and vs. European governments.... And attacks with foreign victims whose governments pay the PA, and then the PA pays the perpetrators.... Falls right into the campaign.... So I suspect we'll see a bit more coverage of this.Icewhiz (talk) 19:32, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

Edit request - Israel and apartheid analogy
Hi. Could you please add the following opinion of a Sudanese human rights activist in the section Israel and the apartheid analogy:

Sudanese human rights activist Simon Deng, writing for the Gatestone Institute, has criticized Desmond Tutu for referring to Israel as an apartheid state, stating that Arabs in Israel enjoy a variety of rights that blacks in apartheid-era South Africa did not, including the right to vote, and that Palestinians are only stopped at checkpoints to prevent attacks. Deng asks why Tutu criticizes Israel for apartheid policies it does not have, but ignores what Deng believes to be actual apartheid practices in other countries such as Iran, Saudi Arabia, and especially his own country Sudan.

Thank you very much--FibulawindbaF (talk) 05:02, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Sorry - but I don't know Deng in depth, and don't know the article enough - I only add things I stand behind after my own research - and I actually believe the article should be deleted (as a POV-fork of various Israeli issues - all packaged together under "apartheidness") more than refactored. The article seems to be (from briefly inspecting it) mostly baseless propaganda - which sometimes is best left as such instead of giving it weight by balancing it. It also seems to be an active edit war (with an ongoing discussion on Deng - I wouldn't add before building consensus in the discussion or voting). While I do touch Israel related articles (some are on my watchlist, I also watch AFDs) - this is not my main focus here on wiki.Icewhiz (talk) 06:48, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Problematic edit at 2017 stabbing incident article
This edit by you makes it seem as if Shin Bet attributed "redemption via martyrdom or sacrifice" as a motive to the murderer, but the source doesn't support this. The second source you added indicates that sometimes the martyrdom and so on may be a reason for a lone wolf attack, but to add this to this specific article and case is not supported. Please self-revert this WP:SYNTH violation and avoid attributing things from one unrelated source to another subject and source ("According to Israel's domestic security service, Shin Bet"). Fram (talk) 09:51, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Fram - You are correct this isn't supported by "the guardian" source - I removed it. I did fix wording so that this would be clear, as in the guardian source, that this was an additional motive ("may have also involved" as per guardian) and not sole motive - which is what caught my attention initially as being misphrased. I left in the INSS reference, next to 18 months, to give context to the Israeli claims regarding motivations of the "knife intifada" attackers - I believe that in its current location it meets guidelines. I will look for a better source (possibly waiting for post-AFD and indictment coverage) regarding statements of motivation - "the guardian" in this case briefly quoted in a not completely accurate translation (the original shin-bet communique also mentions "moral reasons" and not just mental/personal) - but I prefer to use English language sources for English wiki - so will need to look.Icewhiz (talk) 10:43, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Fram (talk) 11:29, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Local, national, international
Just fyi, at AfD, the convention is to use local for something reported within a city or region, say, in the local press in Munich, but not in media in other regions of Germany, while a story in Deutshce Welle is national. A story that runs in one of the 3 local editions (Virginia, Maryland, District) of the Washington Post, is local, even though it's national newspaper. And so forth. Cheers.E.M.Gregory (talk) 19:24, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

Fixuture edit in Israel
Hello. I wanted to let you know that Fixuture reinstated an extremely cherry-picking POV paragraph that was rejected in February, despite there was no consensus for it, not then, not recently.--181.91.128.149 (talk) 03:39, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

AfD note
Hi, I saw a comment on the discussion (Articles for deletion/List of highly-decorated German pilots of ground attack aircraft) that you may not have seen the thread above your iVote because the content had been hatted at the time. I'm not sure if you saw it or not, just wanted to let you know. Thank you for participating. K.e.coffman (talk) 05:47, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Heads up
You appear to have to cast a vote twice here: Articles for deletion/SRF Airspace monitoring and management system. I believe that only one of the "keeps" should be bolded, as some admins use "polling tools" that show keep/delete tallies. K.e.coffman (talk) 04:35, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

Answering edit requests
Hi there. Please remember to set yes when answering an edit request. I closed the request you answered at. If you just forgot, no big deal, we all make mistakes. I'm just letting you know in case you don't know to do that. You can also use, , , or to generate standard responses for them (see docs for those templates for details of all the possible responses, and , not that the copyright bit mattered here as there's no copyright in a simple spelling correction). Thanks. Murph 9000 (talk) 20:10, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Edit request
Hi. As an extended confirmed user (allowed to edit ARBPIA-related), could you please take responsibility for this well-sourced edit? Thanks

Just to clarify, NBC clearely says: "The international Red Cross said Tuesday that Israel has fired white phosphorus shells in its offensive in the Gaza Strip, but has no evidence to suggest it is being used improperly or illegally."--GamerGD Jose (talk) 01:29, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Edit request - Ali Khamenei
Talk:Ali_Khamenei--190.31.127.101 (talk) 02:11, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

Edit request - Ali Khamenei (recovering important content)
Talk:Ali Khamenei--181.90.21.85 (talk) 19:42, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

Talk:Acid throwing
Please stop attacking other editors, as you did on Talk:Acid throwing. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. — MShabazz Talk/Stalk 16:59, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Please point out a specific diff that was an attack. I did not intend to attack anyone personally, and I fail to seenwhere you are claiming I have done so.Icewhiz (talk) 17:42, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Going through the page I do see a personal attack by who called someone a liar. I also see an attack by you Malik referring to bringing in new sourced as "silly games". I fail to see where I alegedly attacked anyone personally.Icewhiz (talk) 17:48, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Somehow I'm not surprised. I won't put up with your accusing me of trying to "wikiwash" anything. So let me know when you're ready to stop the personal attacks and stop playing your silly games and moving the goalposts. (And please read WP:No personal attacks so you can learn what is considered a personal attack.) — MShabazz Talk/Stalk 01:56, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
 * While I do apologize as it seems you were personally offended, my intention in saying "wikiwash" was referring to the action of removing negative information on the group (Palestinian Islamists) and not about you personally in any way. I will note that the previous diff in which you' accuse me (and others perhaps) of "playing silly games" is a clear outright personahel attack, and is not constructive editing. Bringing several additional RS showing that acid attacks by Palestinian Islamists are a long standinding phenomena is highly relevant when the countrer arguement is PROPORTION in that the described in the original source is no longer, possibly, a marginal isolated example. I was being constructive in bringing sources, in the face of arguements that seemed to mainly assert IDONTLIKE.Icewhiz (talk) 04:34, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Bullshit. You accused me personally of trying to "wikiwash". As far as playing silly games, repeatedly changing the subject and moving the goalposts are silly games. I stand by my assertion that the material I wrote about -- the material that section of the talk page asked about -- was (and is) ridiculous, sourced as it is to nothing more than rumors and press releases. — MShabazz Talk/Stalk 12:25, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
 * As it was clear that you were offended, I again apologize, what I said in the narrow scope of acid washing was not intended to be construed with the severity you are attributing to this informal term. I do not, in general, make personal attacks, but try to address content. Regarding the content dispute - I provided additional significant (more significant than the initial JPost event) use of acid by Palestinian Islamists, and in regards the Suyuf al-Haq additional coverage of the group and its leaders by WP CTC, additional activity in 2007 (they threatened Palestinian TV female newscasters), and citations of local Arabic sources (which I found cited in a few places, unfortunately while I do have a working knowledge of Arabic in particular subject areas, running an archive search is cumbersome for me) - look at the article talk page.Icewhiz (talk) 14:07, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

Deleting your comments
Apologies for the deleting my thread on the talk page on Islamophobia talk. I put back the comments back with a note. Hope that's OK. Peace.Sieben von neun (talk) 21:00, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
 * No worries, I dropped a note on your page just to let you know how things are usually done. I think your new suggestion, that another editor edited in and improved, is an improvement to the article.Icewhiz (talk) 21:03, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Edit request - Islamophobia in the media
Hi,

Now that I believe we have consensus on the definition for Islamophobia in the main article (Wikipedia is using the OED definition) I was hoping we could change definition of Islamophobia in the Media, so the definitions agree and we avoid the WP:SYN problem the main article had.

I would suggest replacing:

Islamophobia itself is fear, prejudice, hatred or dislike directed against Islam or Muslims, or towards Islamic politics or culture. .

with

Islamophobia is defined as "Intense dislike or fear of Islam, esp. as a political force; hostility or prejudice towards Muslims". Sieben von neun (talk) 17:14, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
 * That would make sense. However you do not need my help as that page is not ECP protected (most articles are not protected, just those that are frequent vandalism targets) so it is best that you edit this yourself. Good hunting, Icewhiz (talk) 17:46, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Will do, just wanted to keep you in the loop. CheersSieben von neun (talk) 18:23, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Aleksander Piotr Mohl
I am absolutely amazed at your sourcing of additional references that escaped me. In particular the sourcing of the Wiadomosci News newspaper. In the article you referenced I cant see where Aleksander is mentioned, but there is a long article written in that newspaper from 1966(I dont have the day or month), by Kajetan Morawski I have various other feelers put out to the Sikorski and Hoover Institute for additional references. No one has seems to have picked up on the relationship with Goering. I am a bit surprised that the Poles moved him from the "German" desk to the French one in 1936. I can only suppose the writing was on the wall, and they needed to get close to France, thinking that France would honor their pact if Germany attacked. Aleksander was completely fluent in German as in French. I am learning more about research and am enjoying the whole learning experience on Wikipedia, but I hope every contribution is not as difficult to get accepted as this one. I have another one now in my sandbox. Can one make various articles on sandbox? Havent been able to figure out how to do it. I feel like a kid at his first day at school, and everyone is either helping or beating me up...a refreshing feeling! Thank you for your time and effort on this best g --Gzegosh (talk) 16:54, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I had fun with Mohl. The French embassy was the hub of the Polish western network, so this assignment is actually quite logical as a move up from his position in Poland. He was probably the "Resident" spymaster from 38 or so (he got promoted while serving there). I actually do not speak a word of Polish, but am able to search as it is written in a Latin alphabet (and a small smattering of basic Slavic languages I do know, along with google translate). If you really want to understand what Mohl was up to, I suggest you go to the Polish government in exile archives (I posted in the talk page where, it is speead across 3 archives), if you talk to them you might get a scan, otherwise this requires a visit to the physical archive. You can do articles in the sandbox, and they won't be put up for deletion (unless they are grossly inappropriate or there for a very long time without being developed (years)). I haven't actually done this myself, but it might be advisable. Creating articles will get easier for you with experience. The key is RELIABLE SOURCES, NPOV, and a notable subject (backed by sources). If you are doing Polish related articels, I think Piotr expressed his willingness to help (my understanding in this subject matter is limited, Mohl really caught my eye because of the espionage angle).Icewhiz (talk) 18:34, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Thank you...I found the Morowski article which is very good indeed...Do you mind checking out the articel in the sandbox?..let me know if I should step in the open with it if you can...big thank you --Gzegosh (talk) 18:59, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
 * {{ping|Gzegosh} Indent your comments with :s. Regarding the article in the sandbox, the sejm references do not count for much. This is currently sourced to one book beyond that (I am not able to comment regarding quality in this subject). You need a couple more sources for this to stand. He probably passes norability as governor and senator.Icewhiz (talk) 19:22, 18 June 2017 (UTC)


 * s will do...as for the sandbox article: The sejm references give very good bio info, which is why I use them, there are two refernces..one the Maria Czpaska book which is very well researched in itself..and you dont get much better for 18th century, and thirdly I was told another encyclopedia listing is good enough to make the grade. the :s.dosent seem to work..do I put at the beginning or the end? txs

--Gzegosh (talk) 19:37, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
 * add one : in beginning in addition to level in previous comments, so if it was ::, you do:::. The sejm entries might indeed contain useful information, but as a source they do not count for much. You might be ok at the current sourcing level, but 1-2 additional sources (use google books to search, You can add non English Polish and German sources that might be available) would strengyhen the article.Icewhiz (talk) 19:45, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
 * why did you undo condecorations?...I mean decorations sounds more like a xmas tree affair Gzegosh (talk) 19:02, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Thats not the term used elsewhere on wiki, and seldom elsewhere - as far as I know. Look at other articles of decorated individuals.Icewhiz (talk) 19:18, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

Edit request - Israel and the apartheid analogy
Hi. Could you restore the opinion of Kenneth Meshoe in this section (it was removed by Seraphim System). I think that a South African politican who experienced apartheid himself is significant enough to have the following sentence:

Kenneth Meshoe, President of the African Christian Democratic Party, has argued against claims that Israel is an apartheid state, calling such accusations slanderous and deceptive. According to Meshoe, these claims trivialize the word apartheid, and belittles the magnitude of the racism and suffering endured by South Africans of color during apartheid era.

Thanks--181.92.141.195 (talk) 09:08, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

General Prohibition
Hey, I was wondering if anyone had told you about WP:ARBPIA3? I ask because I notice you only became extended-confirmed in April of his year, but many if not most of your contributions before that point related to the Israeli security forces.

I honestly have no idea if what you did is sanctionable, or even technically considered "wrong" if no one noticed until after you passed the bar, but I'm just pointing it out in case you weren't aware. Most of our long-term contributors don't start out in controversial topic areas like you have been. (And yes, I know that your global login account is technically five years old. But you've already made more edits to en.wiki than to he.wiki.)

Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 10:29, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Oh... I scrolled up and saw you were taking edit requests from IPs. I'm really not sure about the appropriateness of that. (Those IPs should be using the article talk page, not approaching potentially-sympathetic extended-confirmed editors on their user talk pages, so they are definitely in the wrong; I mean I am not sure if you are allowed accept such requests.) Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 10:35, 22 June 2017 (UTC)


 * What in particular? My early editing here wasn't related to I/P (and I actually don't do I/P a:ll that much, though I do). I did correct (in passing really - sort of stuff I would do as an IP editor in the past) - a geographical fact regarding a settlement (which was simply wrong - south-east, not south-west) - which really isn't conflict related (at that time I wasn't aware of ARBPIA3 - but I don't think this was in contravention of it). After that I did quite a bit of editing on Amir Bramly - who really isn't Palestine related (this is a major investment scandal I wrote up on the Hebrew - and wanted to translate here - and then it got AFDed (it passed) - which got my sucked into the English wiki). And then I did all sorts of random things, wrote up Loitering Munition (in parallel in Hebrew and English) and then other stuff.10:42, 22 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Regarding the edit requests - they are unsolicited - and mostly ignored. I think they are mostly from one person - and he's been doing this vs. me and a few others (including User:El C) - he blasts out these requests to quite a few people - also via e-mail. I have responded to some politely that I don't edit-war on request - but I've stopped responding really. If someone brings up a good point - I might do something - but only after independent research and looking into it (I did provide an alternative reference as a result of one of these - he was asking me to restore a shoddily sourced ref (a blog) - which I didn't - but I did recall the incident at the time, so I provided something from a RS). I very seldom take these up - and if I do - never in the form suggested anonymously here - as you can see in some of my responses (where I bothered to respond).Icewhiz (talk) 10:42, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Ugh. I misread the first blue link in the Amir Bramly article you created as Israel Security Authority, and took Ahmad Musa Jibril, an article on a "Palestinian-American" Islamic extremist as being intrinsically related to I-P. I apologize for the mistakes. Your edits to Jordan Valley (Middle East) do seem to be largely related to the conflict area, and Gaza electricity crisis is inherently so, but that's only two of your top-seven most-edited articles, and both after April. Once again, I apologize for the mistake. Desperate to vindicate myself, I did find these, most of which were technically violations. Anyway, my advice is still good. You should probably edit more articles on rock music. BLPs about people who are apparently notable for the kind of things you devoted a lot of your early editing career to are ... not as bad as I-P or 21st-century terrorism, but just barely. Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 11:40, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
 * The Israeli Securities Authority can be quite tough on people (Sarcasm, but somewhat deserved). Jibril is a pretty recent article (and his being Palestinian-American is highly incidental to the article - he popped up after London Bridge (though it could've been created before - he's been notable for a while)) - I think I did balanced work there. Jordan Valley (Middle East) - needed work (and still does) - I did try to stick to the POV in other articles - and place the POV as exists elsewhere on-wiki into the Valley article. Gaza electricity crisis is I/P - but I think I did a pretty balanced NPOV work there - it is an important subject (I was responding to a comment in the Israel/Palestine collaboration page - probably wouldn't have gotten to it otherwise). Regarding this bunch - - I don't think I was aware of ARBPIA3 at the time - but these aren't really related - they are all related to a quirky bit of trivia that the small, obscure, civilian Herzliya airport (which is facing closure) was used as a fighter airbase (and actually, arguably the 1st) by Israel - they don't go into the conflict - to say this is conflict related.... Well - that would be very-very broadly construed. I don't do rock music or pop culture - I mostly focus on heavier material - particularly finance, history, warfare, and a few other subjects - I've had quite a bit of fun digging around for sources on this guy - Aleksander Piotr Mohl - recently. Icewhiz (talk) 12:06, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Asante dialect
Hi there,

I just wanted to let you know that I've removed the Hoax tag from the Asante dialect page. I don't know what's going on over at the Ashantiland page, but the dialect itself exists and can be easily verified. I've removed the references to Ashantiland for now, so hopefully that addresses the issue you had with the page?Landscape repton (talk) 08:00, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

Update: I now see that you've tagged a lot of articles associated with the Ashanti Region and the historical Ashanti Empire as hoaxes, due, it seems, to issues over at the Ashantiland page. These all look like they have verifiable and reliable sources. I'm going to go through now and remove the tags from articles where the sources support the body of the article. Probably best to limit any issues you have with that one page to the page, rather than hoax-tagging any connected page as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Landscape repton (talk • contribs) 08:16, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
 * - if you are capable of fully evaluating these entries (as a Ghana native or expert) - I'd be much obliged. The underlying problem was an editor (operating through a number of sock-puppets - Flusus, Boqino, Zopssin, Nulinos, Capulen, Volosrng) - who made a series of edits to support the notion of an independent Ashanti city-state / empire / megapolis, without a reference to Ghana. He made alot of edits (hundreds of Articles) - expunging Ghana and the Akan people and replacing with Ashanti city state, or Ashantiland and the Ashanti people - as part of a wide hoax to present Ashantiland as a modern day independent country. Whatever I could easily revert - I did. However some articles were either created from scratch or subsequently edited by other editors in a way that wasn't clear to me what should be reverted. Specifically, the Asante dialect is still referring to itself as the official language in "Official language in Ashanti City-State and the Ashanti City-State capital Kumasi" and "It is spoken in and around Kumasi, the capital of Ashanti and the former Ashanti Empire." I also suspect that the number of speakers (9 million) of the dialect may be incorrect - but less sure. There are several other claims in the article I'm not sure about - and don't appear in versions prior to the sockpuppet material (e.g. ). Entries which contain questionable material - which I couldn't revert on the hand, but on the other hand were on subject that didn't seem fit for deletion (e.g. the concept or dialect in this case seems to exist) - I marked as hoax (these were a small minority of the articles I fixed - and I left them tagged mainly as I was unable to fix them myself). Other articles were deleted, PRODed, or reverted.Icewhiz (talk) 08:49, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the info. I see the issue more clearly now, it seems some articles tagged have extensive problems while others seem basically untouched.  I'll update my messages to the Ghana and Africa projects asking for help verifying the articles to reflect this.Landscape repton (talk) 08:53, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Just to double-check on what you perceive the problem to be, why did you tag the Alkayida article, for example? Landscape repton (talk) 09:07, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Due to - Boqino's edit which changed every single Ghana reference to Ashanti (leaving out Ghana all together from the dance). Other editors did touch it - so I was not sure if the Ashanti attribution was correct or incorrect - but I thought it was suspect given lack of referencing and Boqino's other edits. Looking at Alkayida - I probably should've place a dubious tag next to each Ashanti mention (as Boqino's changes  were less far reaching than other articles (in some articles - he added quite a bit of information (e.g. +1000 byte edits) in addition to Ghana->Ashanti changes) - and not hoax on the whole thing - but I was taking a very wide axe here - if it wasn't clear to me how to revert (due to other edits in the meanwhile) but the article still contained Ghana->Ashanti changes from Boqino (or other users) - I tagged as a hoax to alert others. If you know Alkayida, and are able to review Ghana/Ashanti attribution - then this will solved the issue on this one.Icewhiz (talk) 10:52, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

Nomination of A History of the Palestinian People for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article A History of the Palestinian People is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/A History of the Palestinian People until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Huldra (talk) 21:29, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Jordan incident
Ice, why did you revert what I wrote? This is incorrect: "On 23 July 2017, an incident involved the deputy director of security of the Israeli embassy in Amman, Jordan who shot and killed two Jordanians." He did not shoot 2 Jodanians. The second Jordanian was accidently shot, or shot by a stray bullet as this article explains. I haven't seen any article (maybe in Arab media) that says that he shot 2 people. ynet --Jane955 (talk) 17:46, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
 * He was the only one shooting (two shots actually). All pieces I read say he shot both of them. He did NOT mean to shoot the landlord, he did that by mistake (could be he missed, could be a bullet going through 1 and hitting 2. No autopsy or ballistics I believe). Israel I believe is planning to compensate the family of the landlord (and rightly so!) after the mourning period. In short, even though he did not intend to shoot the landlord, he did so by accident.Icewhiz (talk) 18:15, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

--Jane955 (talk) 18:40, 26 July 2017 (UTC) תראה לי כתבה שאומרת שהוא ירה באיש השני
 * . And there are many more. It is not in dispute. MFA is planning to compensate, and not because they have to (though they might), but because it is the right thing to do. He was a good christian doctor with a long relationship with the embassy I believe. You might also note the landlord's family has been pretty quiet, while the Palestinian attacker's family... Is making noise and threats.Icewhiz (talk) 18:56, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

What does it say here: בעל הבית, רופא במקצועו, נפגע מכדור תועה ומת מפצעיו


 * It is not in dispute that the Israeli fired said bullet. The lead could be clarified to show it was an accident.Icewhiz (talk) 04:02, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

I disagree....but I should have been more polite. It may have to do with an impossible piece of IKEA furniture I am trying to constract. I deleted my previous comment. take care.--Jane955 (talk) 17:02, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

August 2017
Please stop attacking other editors, as you did on Talk:Linda Sarsour. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. ''Making unsupported accusations of a Conflict of Interest is a prohibited personal attack. If you have evidence of a conflict, present it in the appropriate administrative forum. Otherwise, comment on content, not contributors.'' NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 08:06, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

Linda Sarsour – Bari Weiss
Greetings. please note that the burden to achieve consensus is on the editor seeking to include disputed material. Continuing to reinstate contentious material without a clear consensus can be viewed as edit warring and may result in an account being blocked​. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 18:46, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

Once again, please do not reinstate disputed material without a clear consensus for doing so, as you did here. The relevant discussion about the survivors' letter is here. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 04:11, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
 * - please do not summarily remove well-sourced and widely-covered information.Icewhiz (talk) 05:31, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
 * That's a non-sequitur, since verifiability does not guarantee inclusion. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 17:44, 7 August 2017 (UTC)