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Any idea if there is a source with the political affiliations of the candidates in the three constituencies won by independents (or if any other parties won)? Would be good to get a party breakdown of the vote figures. Cheers, Number   5  7  22:17, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

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About the title of 2021 Samoan constitutional crisis
Hi IdSav. I know it may yet to be described as that in future, (a) but none of the sources cited (b) nothing I can find has yet to describe it as a constitutional crisis at present (10:20 am UTC). Your thoughts? Pete AU aka --Shirt58 (talk) 10:23, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
 * The samoa Observer article describes it s such, which is why I went with that language. I'll add a quote to the relevant ref. --IdiotSavant (talk) 10:25, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

ITN recognition for April 2021 Samoan general election

 * Formula One and all-round brilliant motorsport journalist Murray Walker's autobiography is called "Unless I'm Very Much Mistaken". It refers to a description of some F1 race where his commentary was "Unless I'm very much mistaken... I AM very much mistaken". And here I am very much mistaken. Pete AU aka --Shirt58 (talk) 11:20, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Speaker of the House Leaupepe Toleafoa Faafisi
Thanks for your work on 2021 Samoan constitutional crisis. I have a question : you added "Speaker of the House Leaupepe Toleafoa Faafisi". According to the article Leaupepe Toleafoa Faafisi he "retired at the April 2021 election." So how come he's still acting as, and making declarations as, "Speaker of the House" when he's no longer a member? Cabayi (talk) 06:39, 24 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Just read your blog. I get it now. Cabayi (talk) 07:07, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Idiot savant
In French an Idiot savant is a quite funny name. I like it. But you knowledge about Samoan names doesn’t seem to be very “savant”. Most authoritative sources like RNZ here or local Samoa Observer, doesn’t (never?) use the complete name of the Former PM of Samoa. But his main title and the usual name. As for customary usage, titles are always put as prefixes (like Sir in English) to the names of matai. Reverting saying that the the complete name is the only one used is not true. Please reply here, if needed.--Arorae (talk) 14:41, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Continuing this discussion about (full) names in Samoa, I also noticed that common use is to name the Prime Minister as Tuila'epa Sa'ilele Malielegao (with his title included in his name) and sometimes like Tuila'epa Dr Sa'ilele Malielegao, with his title separated from his (short) name. As already told, Tuilaepa is only a title, and in the English names Wikipedia does not add "Sir" or "Dr." or "Hon." to the names. In Fiji, we do not add "Ratu" to the names, even if Fijian newspapers add Ratu to the chiefs of Fiji. Please, reply here.--RotachZ (talk) 06:49, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I suggest both of you take a look at WP:COMMONNAME. Specifically "Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it generally prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable English-language sources)". This may include titles e.g. Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex. For Samoans, it is best to use whatever they are referred to in English language sources such as those linked above (e.g. RNZ, the Samoa Observer, Samoa Global News etc). So "Fiame Naomi Mata'afa", not just "Naomi Mata'afa", or "Tuilaepa Sailele Malielegaoi", not "Sailele Malielegaoi" (because nobody calls them that). This satisfies the criteria of recognizability and naturalness - naming articles after what people would Google. It also seems to satisfy the policy of consistency, in that there seems to be a policy of including matai titles in article names in the past (which I have naturally followed when adding new ones).
 * It is complicated by the fact that there have been multiple rounds of title-stripping and renaming, plus efforts to correct typography to include okinas, and there are a lot of redirects in place (e.g. for Tuilaepa). I've restored things to what they were before the latest bout, on the basis that this reflected both policy and a previous consensus. I've also raised the issue on the WikiProject Samoa talk page in the hope that someone there can produce some useful guidance for the future. --IdiotSavant (talk) 11:52, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for your explanation, but I am not connvinced by the fact that NZ Herald, RNZ and other Samoa medias are always using only the name with the title. And most of time, they also forget 'okina. Okina is now compulsory in Samoan (since 2012 only). Tuimaleali'ifano is still a title, and the correct writing of his name is Va'aleto'a Sualauvi II, with 2 apostrophes in his first name. People doesn't know Samoan on WPen:, and this is not helpulf to put very long names with titles. We are far from the case: Prince Harry. Imho.--RotachZ (talk) 12:24, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Brenda Heather-Latu
Please stop editing my profile content idiot savant as you are including information which is defamatory and patently wrong and have deleted important information I wish to have on my page eg 1. I did not prosecute the DG of health and that report was found to be defamatory by the Suprme Court as he was only subject to employment action not charges 2. Only 2 judges were dismissed the thirds term was not reviewed 3 you also appear to have edited out my genealogy which I wished to have in my page as a link to my extended family Please Stop Edit your own material and not information which has nothing to do with you and is wrong ! Signed Brenda Heather Latu


 * Its not "your profile". Its a public encyclopedia article about you. It belongs to everyone, and can be edited by anyone. I suggest you read WP:PROUD to see what this means for you.
 * The earlier version of this article (and changes you have sought to reintroduce) did not comply with Wikipedia's polices on neutrality, verifiability, and no original research. I (and other wikipedia editors) will happily make changes that are supported by neutral, independent sources. If you can suggest any that have been missed, then feel free to do so on the article talk page. In the meantime, your edits of an article about you clearly violate WP:COIEDIT. Please cease.--IdiotSavant (talk) 09:33, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

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Thanks for your edit of the Talk Page of my article on Elisapeta Toeava. It is not the first time you have made such an edit, which seems to be required because of 1. My laziness in completing the Talk Page correctly and 2. a BOT programming problem that needs to be corrected. When I prepared the Talk Page I inserted "WikiProject Samoa |class=Start |importance=Low" and this seems to have been changed by User:AnomieBOT to "WikiProject Polynesia|class=Start|WS=yes|WS-importance=Low|category=". Roundtheworld (talk) 09:34, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * That's really annoying from the bot (I suspect its also responsible for the incorrect abbreviations for Tonga and French Polynesia as well then). Anyway, thanks for creating so many articles and adding to the Pacific wikiprojects.--IdiotSavant (talk) 09:39, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for tackling the BOT. I spent 3 years in PNG and 2 in Tonga, both ages ago, but retain an affection for Oceania, so it has been an interesting exercise to work on WIR. Roundtheworld (talk) 09:58, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

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Wikiproject Polynesia comment
Thanks for noticing my edit on the talk page of Pacific Underground where I (incorrectly) added the Polynesia Wikiproject. In some contexts New Zealand is included in a definition of Polynesia so it is good for me to learn before I encourage others to do the same. You mentioned the members of Pacific Underground could be included maybe? Do you mean biographies of Polynesian people but who live in New Zealand could be included? If so does it relate to place of birth and / or citizenships? Many thanks Pakoire (talk) 06:46, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for getting in touch. Firstly, that's a nice, solid article and great work. Secondly, I'm not going to start an edit-war over wikiproject classification, so if you think that it also belongs in WP Polynesia (its in cat: Polynesian culture after all), just go ahead and tag it again. My reasoning for removing it was:
 * * WP Polynesia has sortof geographically excluded Australia, NZ and Hawaii in order to keep its focus on the island countries (sortof - there's some Hawaiian and Māori content in there, usually around mythology, which was all added years ago), so I've followed this in excluding NZ stuff by default unless there's a very obvious strong link.
 * * For people, I've been going by place of birth or residence or citizenship (or sports team for sports bios). Were they born in / live in / play for (for sports bios) one of WP Polynesia's target countries? So e.g. Oscar Kightley was born in Samoa, and Robbie Magasiva was raised there, so I'd include them, but David Fane is from Auckland so I'd leave him under WPNZ. (There are a lot of Pasifica NZ and Australian bios which could be added BTW; I've been adding them in whenever I notice one).
 * None of this is any sort of official policy; I just seem to have adopted the initial assessment role; other people will make different judgements.--IdiotSavant (talk) 09:32, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Royalty of the Cook Islands
Not sure how many of these you've written bios for but  is missing; I've now spotted the second bio like this: Margaret Makea Karika Ariki. Can you please go back over your creations and mend that? It's expected of users who are autopatrolled to create clean articles that don't require maintenance.  Schwede 66  20:41, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Sorry - I tend to use recent stubs as a template when creating, meaning if they leave stuff out, I do too. I've gone back and checked recent creations and added defaultsort where necessary, which should hopefully mean less of a problem in future.--IdiotSavant (talk) 23:49, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Much appreciated.  Schwede 66  01:51, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

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Ramses thimoumi
Create the page of this athlete : Ramses Thimoumi.

He participated in the 2019 pacific games in Samoa. If you need info regarding his life or boxing achievements, I can let you know. 2A01:E0A:A8E:2000:EDCA:D6A2:4EA8:A6FE (talk) 23:46, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Not in any of the areas I'm focusing on, sorry (also, I don't actually like doing sports bios).--IdiotSavant (talk) 01:18, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

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 * And if you already are using Twinkle, please check your Preferences so that this "Notify" box is checked off. Thanks again. Liz Read! Talk! 00:00, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

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LPHarvey
Hi I see you were the last person to update LPHarvey entry Wikipedia. LPH has now sadly died. In NZ 2018. Are you a specialist in his field ?

I want to contact academic people who knew him and his work.,he left a book unpublished. I can give you a fuller list of his work to date.

Any help would be wonderful

Jacqueline 2A01:CB18:7BF:4900:8073:A6A5:51A7:CD4C (talk) 07:19, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
 * IdiotSavant: There's a detailed obituary at Al-Qantara which can be used to update and expand the article.- gadfium 07:51, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm not a specialist - I was just cleaning up references. Its not an article I would normally pay any attention to except that it was on the cleanup list.--IdiotSavant (talk) 11:06, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Talk:Drew Afualo
Coming in good faith but I'm genuinely confused about this edit. What are the criteria for conclusion not being met? If the issue is that she's only of Polynesian descent and has never lived in the region, then I'm confused why Dwayne Johnson apparently qualifies despite the same applying to him? If the issue is that WikiProject Samoa would be the more appropriate to tag, that's fair but that project does not have a talk page template yet and recommends using the one I added instead. What's the story here? Invisiboy42293 (talk) 01:42, 26 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Not born in Samoa, doesn't live there, hasn't represented it internationally (this is used a lot for sports people). Merely being of Polynesian descent isn't enough, otherwise we'd be categorising people in NZ under WPUK. Johnson has a matai title, which is why he's included.
 * WP Samoa is a subset of WP Polynesia. As is WP American Samoa for people from there. IdiotSavant (talk) 01:55, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Gotcha, that's fair I suppose. My main rationale for adding it was that the subject is not just of Samoan descent but is particularly public and outspoken about that heritage: has a malu tattoo, wore a Samoan-designed tapa cloth outfit to a red carpet event, has interviewed Johnson twice and addressed him in Samoan, has attributed much of her public persona to her Samoan upbringing, and in particular has spoken on Samoan culture and American media representation of Samoans on a number of platforms (interviews, podcasts, social media, etc.). I respect if that still doesn't qualify her, but that's why I thought she might be of interest to the project, is that it seems to be a prominent part of her public profile and the work she does. Invisiboy42293 (talk) 03:40, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Well, its certainly more of interest than some of the others I've seen. I'll put it back if you haven't already. IdiotSavant (talk) 05:23, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Appreciated! I don't mind putting it back myself, just wanted to clear things up here before going ahead and doing it. Thanks for hearing me out :-) Invisiboy42293 (talk) 05:25, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Waiterimu Solar Farm
Hi, I saw your recent edit of this article. I think it would be better to revert the specs and instead create two new articles for the solar farms which are being persued instead. I'll do that next week unless you beat me to it. Some background info at https://www.pv-magazine-australia.com/2023/04/17/nz-to-fast-track-approval-process-for-solar-projects/ SmokeySteve (talk) 11:47, 23 April 2023 (UTC)


 * I think you're right - I was waiting to see if more detail emerged. IdiotSavant (talk) 11:56, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

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Category talk:Papua New Guinea history-related lists
I'm far from being absolutely clear on the proper syntax of talk page WikiProject banners, but I'd just assume get it right than not. That's why I generally refer to a closely related talk page if at all in doubt.

So I'm now confused how this edit of yours could be correct. How am I, or anyone, supposed to know that Category talk:Papua New Guinea history-related lists should link to WikiProject Melanesia when both Category talk:Papua New Guinea-related lists and Category talk:History of Papua New Guinea link directly to Wikipedia:WikiProject Papua New Guinea; not to mention, there is WikiProject Papua New Guinea? -- DB 1729 talk 03:16, 2 April 2024 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure of the exact history, but WikiProject PNG is now nested within Melanesia. Things tagged as Melanesia:PNG show up under PNG just fine - but things tagged solely under WikiProject PNG don't show up in the Melanesia stats. There's a similar series of nested wikiprojects for WikiProject Polynesia (Samoa, Tonga, Cook Islands etc), though it has used aliases to ensure consistent tagging. IdiotSavant (talk) 03:27, 2 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Fair enough, I will try to remember that. Thank you very much for the explanation:) DB 1729 talk 03:31, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
 * You can see how to do substitution for wikiproject templates on Template:WikiProject Tonga; I can try and bodge it into Template:WikiProject Papua New Guinea if you like. IdiotSavant (talk) 03:39, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Late reply. I don't understand what "bodge it into Template:WikiProject Papua New Guinea" means so I didn't know how it could help  or not. I put off replying and forgot about it until now.
 * I notice you haven't corrected the other two I mentioned in the same way. Again, before I created Category talk:Papua New Guinea history-related lists, I consulted both Category talk:Papua New Guinea-related lists and Category talk:History of Papua New Guinea and simply followed suit how those pages did it. Is there some reason those pages should not get the same (WikiProject Papua New Guinea → WikiProject Melanesia PNG=yes) change? Have you just not got to those yet because of whatever system you're using? Maybe you're unconcerned per other stuff exists? Maybe you just never noticed or failed to glean the situation from my original post? or some other reason entirely? DB 1729 talk 21:02, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Struck part of the above. More simply put: I guess I'm just asking is it okay if I make the same change to the other related talk pages? DB 1729 talk 21:09, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes. Its an edit I do when I notice something, rather than trying to systematically update thousands of articles. IdiotSavant (talk) 23:36, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

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