User talk:Ifly6/Gracchi brothers

Oxford Bibliographies
Colour me surprised when I realised that the source research has basically already been entirely completed. Just absolutely wonderful. Wikipedia Library link: https://www-oxfordbibliographies-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/view/document/obo-9780195389661/obo-9780195389661-0221.xml?rskey=UPSM6D&result=1&q=gracchus#obo-9780195389661-0221-div1-0010. Ifly6 (talk) 14:12, 1 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Happy to say I lucked into Mackay 2009, which is recommended by Roselaar's (full) bibliography as an up-to-date narrative on the whole period. Ifly6 (talk) 18:22, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Period coins depicting grain
Hey T8612 again. Are there any coins c. 120 BC which tout grain distributions? I vaguely recall some later, after Sulla, but I'd like to know if there's anything more period. Ifly6 (talk) 01:45, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

Edit. And if you think of any coins which relate to any of the reforms of any of the brothers, certainly feel free to inform me. Ifly6 (talk) 01:46, 5 April 2023 (UTC)


 * C. Minucius Augurinus, denarius, 135 BC, RRC 242-1.jpg. It shows that grain distribution was already a hot topic several years before Tiberius' tribunate. He or his brother Tiberius probably replaced Octavius as Tribune in 133.]]
 * M. Marcius, AR denarius, 134 BC, RRC 245-1.jpg on the obverse and the corn-ears on the reverse refer to his ancestor Manius Marcius, plebeian aedile c.440 BC, who made a distribution of grain at a cheap price of 1 as per modius.]]
 * Most moneyers of the years 123-121 were supporters of C. Gracchus: 123 C. Cato, C. Fannius (son of the consul), M. Papirius Carbo (Pr 114), Minucius Rufus (tribune in 121). Although most betrayed him. Their coins are not really interesting. Gnaeus Papirius (cos 113) was also moneyer in 121, I suppose he supported Gracchus like his brother.
 * Just to say that in order to avoid repetitions, I would have written about the Gracchi's joint legacy and later mentions in Gracchi brothers, as they were almost always considered together after 121, while I would have dealt with their biography in their respective article.
 * T8612 (talk) 16:07, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I had updated Gracchi brothers some time ago but was reverted without explanation; looking back I think largely because of the big red text saying that the length of the article went down. I therefore focused then on each brother separately, which I still think is the better (and more true to the current scholarship) way of conceiving of them.
 * The first coin of Augurinus, with the matter of grain being important, I think is a good illustration, especially re the Roman land "crisis" before 133 BC. I'll look to adding it into the draft. Thanks! Ifly6 (talk) 17:19, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Should the colonia at right be columna? Ifly6 (talk) 01:56, 11 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Yes, you're right. T8612  (talk) 02:53, 11 April 2023 (UTC)