User talk:Ifly6/Marcus Furius Camillus

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Hi there T8612 and Avilich. If you have any comments on this draft article, especially relating to themes or topics of import that I may have simply omitted, I'd appreciate any comments you can provide. Ifly6 (talk) 17:32, 4 October 2022 (UTC)


 * The main source is Stephen Oakley, Commentary on Livy, vol. I, amazing work. Check also Ogilvie, Commentary on Livy 1-5, but really not as detailed. Germans wrote a lot about him, first is Münzer in the RE. See here for other works. T8612  (talk) 21:35, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Do you know how to get access to that volume? I'll take a look at possibly helping transcribe Furius 44 from scans; it's worthwhile to have done. Ifly6 (talk) 04:31, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * If you have university access, I think you can get it through Oxford Scholarship Online. Otherwise you can buy a subscription there and you get access to all these books. Oakley's Commentaries are the best academic sources for the Roman 4th century BC. T8612  (talk) 16:02, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't have university access. It also doesn't seem available at any library at all. If you have access, please add anything you think especially relevant. I will eventually finish transcribing Furius 44 and will incorporate that into the article if possible. Ifly6 (talk) 03:35, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Try with these ISBN: 9780198152774 (book 6), 9780198152262 (books 7 & 8), 9780199271436 (book 9), 9780199237852 (book 10). T8612  (talk) 12:41, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
 * T.P. Wiseman, The Myths of Rome, Liverpool University Press (2004) has some content on Camillus at pages 126-30. Even if it adds nothing to what you already wrote, it at least diversifies the pool of sources beyond the usual, easy-to-access pair of Cornell and Forsythe. Avilich (talk) 17:11, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Notes from Ogilvie
Livy's book is symmetric and largely related to the gods: when they are pious they win, when they are not, they lose. This is driven by how well they cleave to Camillus, "the fatalis dux whose name betokens a life spent in service of the gods". p 626.