User talk:Igotaction

Hi Igotaction,

I reverted your addition to the Eddie Gallagher article - but that doesn't mean it's not necessarily merited, it just means it needs a reliable source. Do you have a source that directly says that his rate hasn't been reduced yet? Newspaper article or the like? SnowFire (talk) 04:03, 4 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi the answer is Rules for Courts Martial 1101-1104 in the Manual for Courts Martial (MCM). It explains how the record of trial is prepared, post trial motions, statements by the defense and the ability for the CA to set the findings aside like it never happened.  Oh and I have been through the whole process in that very courtroom.  2 1/2 years for a letter of reprimand.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Igotaction (talk • contribs) 04:58, 4 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi again, responding here (feel free to respond on your own talk page too). I guess I should have been more specific - is there a source that talks about this in relation to Gallagher's case specifically?  Wikipedia is kind of funny this way largely because some cranks like to put in their own interpretation of law, so there's guidelines against using "primary" sources like the law itself (this article explains more, WP:PRIMARY) and interpreting it.  Even if true, is this "likely"?  Seems reasonable to just wait - in the event the CA revokes the punishment, we can update the article then that he was going to be demoted, but this demotion didn't actually happen.  SnowFire (talk) 05:10, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

What was he wearing when he walked out?? Anchors or chevrons?? Like I said I have been through it, not my interpretation, read the rules yourself. I think at this point RDML Lindsey wants to be done with this and approve the findings as quickly as possible, (I think maybe suspend the pay since he spent 5 months longer than the max punishment for his guilty finding). After my sentence they didn’t do anything until after JAG review (after the CA approved, reduces, or dismisses the charges/sentence). You will also see review authority (6mos+ and/or punitive discharge BCD, DD or Dismissal for officers goes to auto appeal NMCCA but less than that goes to JAG). If it was NJP he could have received the same punishment and lost the rank after an appeal to the first flag in the chain.

But to answer your question specifically no not on his exact case, but I haven’t heard ANY discussion about what happens next process wise, but my evidence is the MCM.

And to answer your question on what is likely, I would have to see if the defense submitted a motion to defer any sentence. Maybe I’m wrong, we will see the next time he is in uniform.

Ok if you read all the news articles it says, “... he WILL BE reduced in rank. They are all saying it hasn’t happened yet.


 * Thanks for the reply. Interesting stuff.  For the sources currently in the article: I'm going off of https://fox5sandiego.com/2019/07/03/navy-seal-fights-for-pension-rank-after-war-crimes-case/  which just says "Wednesday at his sentencing, the jury sentenced Gallagher to a demotion from E7, Chief Petty Officer, to E6, Petty Officer First Class".  No future tense to it.  https://www.npr.org/2019/07/03/738463353/jury-reduces-navy-seals-rank-for-taking-photo-with-corpse-of-isis-fighter also acts like his demotion is a done deal.  But yeah, as you said, maybe we'll see it in future news articles that look at his uniform, or if other news articles turn up that do say "will be" reduced in rank rather than simply stating it.  (Again, sorry if I sound demanding or insistent, but this is Wikipedia policy for hyper-controversial stuff - everything gets referenced directly.)  SnowFire (talk) 07:04, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

No worries, both CNN and FNC both printed “... will be reduced.” Now you could either say he “was sentenced” which is a done deal because that was the sentence, but the sentence has not been carried out just yet. You could say, “was sentenced to reduction in rank,” or, “will be reduced in rank,” but it’s inaccurate to say this second, “was reduced in rank,” because like I said the sentence hasn’t been carried out. Oh, and I’m a Broadcast Journalism major from the Walter Cronkite school at ASU. Please read them again and look for those differences.