User talk:Ikiroid/Archive 3

Help for template
Hi-- I posted some suggestions on Template Talk: Infobox Writing system. Are they helpful? (Please respond on Template Talk: Infobox Writing system). --Siva 01:00, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes! Awesome! Thanks for your input.-- The   i  kiro  id  (talk) (Help Me Improve) 15:26, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Template:Linkless
Hi, I have re-added the google search link to Template:Linkless, it is very useful, for example try the link on Eco-imperialism, it finds article that contain "Eco-imperialism" and thus most likely need to link to Eco-imperialism. The link to Category:Pages that do not link to anything is unnecessary because the article is already in that category. thanks Martin 20:28, 25 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, the category is useful if some wikignome wants to take up the job of linking a bunch of the pages to one another in that category.-- The ikiroid  20:55, 25 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, but the article is already in the category, so the template doesn't really need to link to it, plus it would be sheer luck if articles in that category actually needed to be linked to each other. thanks Martin 20:57, 25 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Hmm, I suppose you are right. Let's delete it, then.-- The ikiroid  21:00, 25 May 2006 (UTC)


 * No, no, I didn't mean delete it, I think it is a great idea, I was just explaining why I added back the google search link because you removed it earlier. Martin 21:22, 25 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh, sorry, I was under the impression you viewed it as a vestigial category.


 * BTW, do you know anyone who can work with Esoteric Templates? Can you? I'm trying to create the Template Infobox Writing system based on the requests of the template's talkpage yet I can't find anyone in the WS project who can work with extensive code.-- The ikiroid  21:27, 25 May 2006 (UTC)


 * No, sorry, if you drop a note on the village pump then I'm sure someone will be able to help. Martin 21:35, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Annahly's note
Hey Ikiroid, thanks for the reply I like some of your advice. give me another note on my talk page if you want to keep helping me.

Thnxz, lter Anna 19:11, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Sure, I'll be willing to help you out. Sorry I couldn't get back to you earlier, I was gardening :P. Do you need help getting started?-- The ikiroid  20:20, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Hey Ikiroid, thanks for the reply I LOVE gardening do you? Anywhay I could definitely use some help on putting pictures on my page I see u have them on yours so I need help putting some on mine. My friend Alphachimp suggested Wikipedia pictures Tutorial or something like that. Well I gotta jet so give me a note (on my talk page) if you have any ideas, or pictures you might suggest.

THanks! AA-lot! Anna 00:27, 28 May 2006 (UTC)AnnahlyAnna 00:27, 28 May 2006 (UTC)


 * If you wanna upload an image or something, you click "Upload file" on the side of the screen. It's under "Email this user". But here's the hard part: you gotta to provide a license. If you made the image yourself, you should license it under "Creative Commons" or "GFDL." However, if it's a photo, and someone other than you is in it, you need their permission, or else the image is not kosher for wikipedia, and someone will come and block you forever (just kidding). I wouldn't upload more than one or two images for your userpage, though, a lotta wikipedians get mad if you're using huge amounts of server space for personal pics that don't go in the encyclopedia. Oh, and I do like plants and such, although I don't like the work of gardening, just the end result ;). And as my final piece of advice, you only have to write your signature (this thing-> --~ ) once at the end of your note, or else you'll get two signatures! You also don't have to write "Annahly" after it, the four ~ change into your name after you hit "Save page".-- The ikiroid  01:35, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

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re: WP:VP on Template:Infobox Writing system
Since it's been a few days, thought I'd make a house-call!


 * Let me start off by saying I began this template in order to help synchronize various writing system articles, and the template turned out to be much more of a chore than I anticipated. I initially copied it from Template:Infobox Language, thinking I could tweak it, but now I realize that the esoteric code is quite overwhelming to the noobesque computer geek such as myself. I need some help with it. I, as well as other members from WikiProject Writing systems have outlined parameters on its talkpage and now these plans need to be implemented. Would any wikipedian experienced with esoteric code be willing to help me edit this template?-- The ikiroid  02:32, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Try some of the contributors over at: Requested_templates, or just list it there with the problem like I did in that example. I'b best not brag up any particular contributor, but most anyone working over there can probably help. Fra nkB 22:01, 30 May 2006 (UTC)


 * OK, thank you! I'll post it there.-- The ikiroid  23:01, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Interlingua
How did you learn Interlingua? Was it an online course like lernu?Cameron Nedland 23:47, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
 * See The American Association for Interlingua. I'd post your question on the Language reference desk too, you might get a better answer. Also you could ask User:Jondel.-- The ikiroid  02:45, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * P.S. You might also want to look into Lojban and Esperanto, those and Interlingua all helped me enlarge my perception of language. I like all three for different reasons ;).-- The ikiroid  02:50, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much. I'm already teaching myself Esperanto and I enjoy it considerably. I'll look into Lojban. I'm thinking of making my own conlag: English 2, based on largely on English but with a simplified grammar, reduced vocabulary, and phonetic alphabet. Do you think this is a good idea?Cameron Nedland 13:26, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Sure. You might want to look into the grammar of Mandarin Chinese, it has a very simple yet effective grammatical structure. It's also full of kennings. There's also The simple english wikipedia to consider.-- The ikiroid  14:13, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

De-linking IPA
Interwiki links have an underline that can obscure the IPA characters. In the Interlingua page (and many others like it), the characters were on a table so that if a reader doesn't know what /b/ is they can click on bilabial consonant and they can click on stop consonant. In addition, the page has an IPA warning. AEuSoes1 23:12, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Re:Gender
hmm... I never thought about it like that before thank you (It may come from having 5 sisters and no brothers :\ ). I Lo ve Plankton ( L) 15:06, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Writing system template
Thanks for the barnstar. :]

I just made some additional updates to incorporate the remaining requested features. At this point I think the template could be put into limited use, but I wouldn't try to implement it everywhere yet as people will probably come up with new twists and ideas to be incorporated as it actually gets applied. I might suggest trying to add it to the more unusual scripts as test cases, make any changes needed to cover those, and then roll it out on a wider scale. --CBDunkerson 23:27, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

I Love Plankton
You're right, I had to use a translator and it wouldn't translate ILovePlankton so I put spaces in between the words :P. 我爱浮游生物

A haiku of thanks

 * Thanks for your support
 * In my RfA, which passed!
 * Wise I'll try to be.

I'm honored that you already thought I was an admin :), and your positive comments about civility and answers were lovely. Thanks again!

-- Nataly a 04:13, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Blu's arbcom
Well, I'm not sure if I violated any protocol, but I added Blu's statement with his permission and then I read that only involved parties should edit the page. Oops.--User:Ikiroid 22:50, 3 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Your addition was perfectly in order. Wikipedia isn't a bureaucracy and there are no unreasonable rules against doing sensible things.  Thank you. --Tony Sidaway 23:17, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Usa work program
Buenos dias senior Ikroid. Can I ask what that USA work program icon means? I'm uh, looking for work, maybe inthe US , I don't know.--Jondel 23:25, 4 June 2006 (UTC)


 * It's an old poster from the Great Depression&mdash;in the 1930s in the USA about 25% of all workers lost their jobs when the economy fell apart. The president at the time, Herbert Hoover, refused to let the government intervene and give the people jobs. So when the next election came, a new man, Franklin D. Roosevelt was elected, and he started a bunch of socialist government programs to give people work. One of them was the Work program&mdash;it gave out-of-work men a chance to work in construction jobs for the government so that their family would have some sort of income. Most of the programs ended at the beginning of World War II, because most of the people who needed the programs ended up getting jobs building military equipment in factories. After World War II, the United States entered a time of economic prosperity, because they were the only major nation that had not been hurt by the war. Because of this prosperity, all of the programs were discontinued, so unfortunately, they aren't around today. If you want to go to the US, I'd suggest California, or some major city like New York City, Chicago, Houston, or Seattle. But it really depends on the sort of career you are pursuing. What do you want to do? You'd probably get a good job, because you speak spanish and japanese in addition to english.-- The ikiroid  00:30, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Re "Help me improve"
Well I've only gotten around to responding to your entry in my "Help Me Improve" page just now - slow, aren't I?

I understand the merits of your idea and it's certainly something to consider. It's really hard for me to keep a cool head when I seem to be running into conflict after conflict after conflict with no end in sight.

I can admit, things are getting way too intense for me at the moment.

Ideally, I should be 50/50 metapedian/exopedian but that's a difficult goal. It's certainly given me something to think about. Thanks. — Natha  n  (talk) 07:08, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

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interlinks
Thanks for linking. Advinculo gratias ago. Maraming salamat sa pag-link. Per le ligamines gratias. Gracias por le vinculos. Mercie beaucoup. リンクの件でどうもありがとうございます. 謝謝. Multo obrigado.--Jondel 03:57, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Nous/on
I was under the impression that "on" had all but conquered "nous" in usage of parisian and quebecois french. I've never heard Cajun french, and in the book The Power of Babel McWhorter talks about how the usage of "nous" in France immediately isolates you as an inexperienced speaker. Where did you hear that it was only Cajun?-- The ikiroid  18:11, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

It seems as though I am in error. I had read the Cajun French article a while ago and recalled it comparing the dialect with Parisian french. Upon a second look, I can see that it mentions that using on for nous is more widespread. In addition, looking at the page on French personal pronouns (who knew there was such a page?!) it seems that on can be used instead of nous but it is a bit more complex; complex enough that I would be surprised if speakers didn't have difficulty with it.

I'm still going to need more to indicate that written French is "awkward when spoken" though. AEuSoes1 00:48, 9 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for responding....I didn't even know that article on pronouns even existed! I do appreciate that you fixed your own edit, though. There are a lot of stubborn editors that would have done otherwise. I'm sorry if I came off as confrontational about the whole thing. Have a good one!-- The ikiroid  01:07, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Re:Thank you for the advice
I took your advice and changed my signature. Do you think it needs further simplification?--The ikiroid (talk desk advice) 15:49, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

I think it's ok like that, although might be better if there was something to separate the three links (just a / or | ) and maybe change 'advice' to 'give advice' or similar to make it clear that people aren't about to read a guide to wikilife :) Petros471 16:59, 12 June 2006 (UTC)


 * OK, I changed it to a dot. My only worry was that all of the words in the parentheses are treated as one, and they are moved to the next line if they don't fit at the end of a line of text (I hope that makes sense). Again, thank you for your advice. I want to be an admin someday, but I want to be an extremely active wikipedian before I become one. It wouldn't do wikipedia much good to have sysops tripping over themselves because of premature promotions!--The ikiroid (talk·desk·give advice) 19:31, 12 June 2006 (UTC)


 * How about "advise me" instead of "give advice" ?? I think it flows better. (hmm a running RfC of sorts on oneself... maybe I should do that too...)  + +Lar: t/c 20:02, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

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Leaving WP
I have returned. Raichu 20:37, 13 June 2006 (UTC)


 * It's good to see you back.--The ikiroid (talk·desk·Advise me) 22:39, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

"Fix My Page"
You want your page overhauled/redesigned? Hmm...

I'd suggest moving the "helpful links" to a subpage. Type down "This page is best viewed in abcXdef resolution," whichever resolution you designed your page in, or the best one it looks in. This could help with your Userbox page, as I only have an 800x600 display, and I can barely see anything except the userboxes. The six images you have at the beginning are creative and look okay, but the boxes above take away from them. The status indicator could go somewhere below the big beginning display. I like the flags illustrating the languages you know/practice (which is pretty much why I stole it). Try taking a few out, or shrinking them, to fit in the section. Feel free to throw in cool pictures you like, but try to limit yourself. You could go with a gallery, but that tends to get out of hand. Happy to offer suggestions-- The Ninth Bright Shiner  talk 22:12, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
 * You present a lot of good ideas. I like the way your userpage looks now, it has a nice, balanced look. Thank you for the input. I'll try and implement some of that, though at this moment I have little energy or time to do anything :(. You know, out of all the users I welcomed, you are the only one who has truly taken off. It's comforting to know that.--The ikiroid (talk·desk·Advise me) 22:44, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I like the way my page looks, too! It's basically a big, nice, introductory thing at the top, with some links, then a few sections, and images here, there, and everywhere to spruce it up.  It also helps add "backbone" to a page.  Userboxes have a similar effect.  Taken off?  Why thank you!  I can never get enough of Wikipedia, that's probably it.  That, and I can't get enough of some of the subjects on Wikipedia.  A rather effective and deadly combination.  Hope things work out on your page!-- The Ninth Bright Shiner  talk 22:05, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I am that way too, though I am finding that Wikipedia already has articles on many of the things I know :P. I'm thinking of making my userpage look somewhat like Phaedriel's userpage, though with a different color. I also like The Mop's userpage. Perhaps I'll find a way to integrate these styles. I just want to do it all in one edit, or maybe two. Sorry I didn't answer earlier, I was shopping.--The ikiroid (talk·desk·Advise me) 01:20, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Wow! Your user page looks fantastic! Good work, and kudos to Sango123!-- The Ninth Bright Shiner  talk 23:45, 25 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah I know...I gave her a barnstar, but it doesn't feel like enough. It's so soft, yet distinctive.--The ikiroid (talk·desk·Advise me) 23:47, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Userpage
Hi. If you want your userpage redesigned, I suggest visiting this page and requesting. They redesigned mine ^_^ &Oslash;&#345; &ecirc;   &#333;&#351; Go Italia!  23:20, 17 June 2006 (UTC) P.S. I forget how I came upon your userpage. I just know I found you. :D
 * Thanks, I looked into your project page, and found the "Do it yourself" part quite helpful. I'd rather recieve advice and redesign the page myself, though I appreciate your concern.


 * Also:Good luck with the committee, but don't be surprised if the wikiproject doesn't recieve much notice, few really do.--The ikiroid (talk·desk·Advise me) 21:10, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

On second thought, I'd like some help.--The ikiroid (talk·desk·Advise me) 21:28, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

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Re:Pinetree Secondary School
The Pinetree secondary hippy day thing was about this week we had of doing hippy stuff for spirit week at our school. Do you not think it matters?

Well, now I know it matters, but I think you phrased the sentence in the article badly. You could write "Each year Pinetree Secondary School holds a Spirit Week, including Hippy day...." but you added two people's names, so it looked like vandalism to me. I couldn't understand why you did that. Also, when you sent me a message, you erased a large amount of text. Next time, click the plus sign next to "edit this page" at the top of the page to start a new topic. That way, you won't accidently erase a bunch of text from the page. Since you are blocked for 24 hours starting 9 hours ago, I'll be happy to add a few sentences into the article on your school if you write it here. Thanks for understanding. The ikiroid (talk·desk·Advise me) 14:35, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!
for reverting the vandalism to my talk page! NawlinWiki 18:48, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

RE: Thank you for the comment
No problem, you deserved it! EvocativeIntrigue TALK 15:09, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Black American Princess
Doesn't that article seem more like something that would belong at Wiktionary? Jewish-American princess might be better there, too, but you didn't make it.-- The Ninth Bright Shiner  talk 00:59, 22 June 2006 (UTC)


 * There's a lot more to it than the definition, but I didn't want to add in any possibly biased original research to such a sensitive topic. Both Blacks and Jews have been segregated from mainstream WASP society in the past so there is a large backgound to terms like that.--The ikiroid (talk·desk·Advise me) 01:50, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Trading spaces
Hello, Ikiroid, thank you for signing up to participate in the trading spaces program. As you requsted to have your user page renovated by another user, Sango123 will be renovating your userpage. Please contact Sango123 on their talk page about the renovating. The renovating will be listed at WikiProject_User_Page_Help/Trading_Spaces, please feel free to update the status as it changes. Enjoy!


 * I hear Sango123 is good at designing pages. She modelled HighwayCello's user page to look like his funky rainbow shoes.-- The Ninth Bright Shiner  talk 03:38, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Esperanza
Now how should I put this...what exactly is it like being in Esperanza? What sort of activities do you do? I was wondering about joining, but I'd like to know what goes on in there.-- The Ninth Bright Shiner  talk 03:40, 23 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Well....it focuses on the community of Wikipedia. Things such as Esperanza/Reach out seek to aid mistreated wikipedians, and its programs help give wikipedians something to do in order to build bonds. It also gives editors a place to write random things, and express emotions and reactions in places like the coffee lounge and #wikipedia-esperanza. Most mainstream conversation and issues about the organization are handled on Esperanza's talkpage. Esperanza's FAQ will do a better job of explaining things than I can. Personally, I think you would probably fit in quite well: you are conversational, and community-oriented, and you meet the criteria. Hope this helps. Good luck!--The ikiroid (talk·desk·Advise me) 19:32, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

A short Esperanzial update
As you may have gathered, discussions have been raging for about a week on the Esperanza talk page as to the future direction of Esperanza. Some of these are still ongoing and warrant more input (such as the idea to scrap the members list altogether). However, some decisions have been made and the charter has hence been amended. See what happened. Basically, the whole leadership has had a reshuffle, so please review the new, improved charter.

As a result, we are electing 4 people this month. They will replace JoanneB and Pschemp and form a new tranche A, serving until December. Elections will begin on 2006-07-02 and last until 2006-07-09. If you wish to run for a Council position, add your name to the list before 2006-07-02. For more details, see Esperanza/June 2006 elections.

Thanks and kind, Esperanzial regards, &mdash;Cel es tianpower háblame 16:00, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Re: Trading spaces
Thanks for leaving that kind note at my talk page earlier, Ikiroid; I look forward to working on your user page. :) Now, is there any particular color scheme you'd prefer? Regards,  Sango  123   20:10, 23 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Perhaps something along the line of light white colors sparsely accented by sea colors, like Aquamarine and Dodger Blue? I like the idea of using subtle, light colors like Alice Blue, Ghost White, or White Smoke. Those are really rough guidelines, it's ok if the colors are different, I just would like to see a better layout, and it looks like you are good at that ;).--The ikiroid (talk·desk·Advise me) 20:25, 23 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Done! I used alice blue, aquamarine borders, and a darker shade of blue for the background. It hasn't been tested in IE though, so consider yourself warned. ;) If you're happy with the way everything looks, please consider adding a note here, but I'd be glad to tweak things further if you want anything changed. Cheers,  Sango  123   15:06, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you so much Sango!!! The page looks totally awesome!! Plus, If ever add anything, you've given me a great format to build off of: if I need to add something else, I can just copy one of the rounded boxes and change what's inside. Here's a barnstar for your wonderful work!--The ikiroid (talk·desk·Advise me) 18:41, 25 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Sure, no problem! And thanks muchly for your newly made barnstar. :D Cheers,  Sango  123   20:09, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Help me improve
Hi. I stole your help me improve. --GeorgeMoney (talk) (Help Me Improve!) 19:03, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Haha, excellent! It's great to see other editors open to constructive criticism. I'll add some advice to it.The ikiroid (talk·desk·Advise me) 20:43, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Well
The funny thing is that I really don't have a reason for not registering. Dunno why, I just never got around to it... ''' 69.145.123.171 Hello! ''' Saturday, June 24, 2006, 22:44 (UTC)


 * Bleh. Javascript gives me the creeps. It looks like Latin, or something. Actually, I may register rather soon....  69.145.123.171 Hello!  Saturday, June 24, 2006, 22:49 (UTC)

Hi
Hi, I noticed you were trying to get 69.145.123.171 to register. Well, why not add to my list of features of being logged on. --GeorgeMoney (talk) (Help Me Improve!) 23:42, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for reverting my user page. <b style="color:green;">IrishGuy</b> <sup style="color:blue;">talk 03:12, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

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You user page
Hey, your page looks pretty cool. Do you mind if I steal the basic layout and colour scheme? Obviouly, it's not going to be a carbon copy of yours (Mine will look something like this). Just thought I'd see if it's Ok with you first. -- Steel 17:22, 27 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Go ahead. It was designed by Sango123, she might be able to help you more than I could. You could also consult the people at User Page Help.--The ikiroid (talk·desk·Advise me) 17:48, 27 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, Sango's amazing with userpages, I saw that she did yours on that trading spaces thing. Anyway, thanks. I with you'll agree it's a pretty cool design. -- Steel 18:04, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Your request for help
Hi Ikiroid!

I would be more than happy to help you in any way I can. I have two featured articles under my belt (see Civil Air Patrol and Half-Life 2) and I'm currently working on another (Half-Life). When I plan on working on an article with the intent of making it a featured article, there are a few things that I like to do to prepare.

First, alert at least one, preferably two and possibly three other people who would be interested in assisting you towards accomplishing this task. They should be people who are interested in the subject of the article in the first place as well as being at least somewhat knowledgable on the subject. All participants need to be able to work together without causing too much grief (you do not want someone who will be abrasive or pushing a specific point of view aside from a neutral one).

Sometimes, an article might be so badly formatted or disorganized (such as fencing) that it would be almost disruptive to make major changes at once (i.e. the article would make even less sense or be less comprehensive). If this is the case, then create a subpage off of that same article called Article/Featured overhaul (or something to that effect). Use that space to recreate the article without disrupting the original. After it has been recreated, then replace the low-quality version with yours (remember to seek general consensus on this one).

Second, alert the rest of the [article's] world that you plan on pushing the article to FA status. Use the article's talk page to do this. What I like to do is create a new header (titled "Featured article push" or something similar) along with your intentions and status. I also like to place a copy of on the talk page so people can click and see where the article is in terms of its status. Take a look at Talk:Half-Life_2/Archive_3 to see an example of what I'm talking about.

After the necessary preperations are complete, start looking at the FAPath. You should do some research and get as many citable and reliable sources on the subject as possible. The article absolutely should be liberally cited from reliable sources. If you're writing an article about World War II, then you would want to cite history texts and websites. A guideline about websites: do not cite websites that use or are from Angelfire, Geocities, Tripod, Lycos or MySpace (unless, for example, it's a band's official site (and in that case, you might want to investigate the notability of said band/person/pet)).

The third step of the Featured Article Path, checking against the featured article critera, is probably the most critical step that you will go through. I highly suggest that you be moderately to severely critical of your [group's] work. Do not stand for anything that is out of place, lacking, or in need of attention. The harsher you are towards your own work, the higher the quality of said work will rise, and the less likely that people will find some major blocking fault with the article when they look at the article's featured article candidate page (which I will get to in a minute).

After you and your group feel that the article is ready for FAC, put it to peer review. I will be honest: peer review is either hit or miss. For me, both of the times that I used peer review were miss. However, some people will object to an FAC without second thought if there is no peer review tag on the article's talk page. Fair? In theory, yes, in practice, no. However, that's reality.

After a peer review has been done, check the article over at least twice. See if there are any inconsistances or any minor problems that you or peer review might have missed. Gramatical/spelling mistakes are common, as Wikipedia does not have built-in spellchecking at this time. Once your group feels that it is ready for FAC, take a deep breath and submit it to Featured_article_candidates.

During this period, people will either Support the article and provide their reasoning, or Object to the article and provide their reasoning. If FA status is objected to, the person objecting must provide a workable and constructive reason. Objections such as "this article is fluffy" are not helpful and will most likely not hinder the FAC. However, you should make every reasonable effort to appease the objector. Ask for their wishes and suggestions and find out what it is that they object to. Fix it, or find a quality compromise. Do not stress out if after twenty times (or some other crazy number) someone just does not change their objection. Raul654, the FA director, will look at each vote and the discussion objectively and he will judge based upon what he sees. The key here is to satisfy all of the workable and reasonable objections, not the vague and confusing ones (despite your best efforts to do so).

If your FAC passes, then you deserve a well-earned pat on the back and a cold one. If not, do not worry. Address the concerns of those who objected and apply for FAC in two to three weeks.

So, that's pretty much it. I didn't go into specifics like how to follow the manual of style or how to use the citation syntax correctly, but I'm sure that you can figure that out. If not, I'll be happy to help. If you have any other questions, please feel free to leave me a message on my talk page, and I will respond as soon as I can.

Good luck, and tell me when you're ready for FAC! Linuxbeak (AAAA!) 00:11, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

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Re: Can you help me with a reference you added?
Hi Ikiroid, thanks for your message about the Pullum and Laduslaw reference in the IPA article. I do have the book but I'm afriad I can't remember exactly why I added that reference. To be honest I probably just thought it was a useful reference in the "further reading" or "bibliography" sense, rather than attributing anything specific in the article. Perhaps it could stay in the article under that sort of heading. Cheers, Flapdragon 22:58, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Caron
There is an ongoing dispute on the talk page of this article. It has been suggested that editors with interest in linguistics would provide better insight into the problem. Would you mind voting on that page? (Please, ignore the fact that the person who asked you already voted.) 85.70.5.66 19:09, 6 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm flattered that you have sought me out to help, but on wikipedia, it's never a good idea to recruit people to a straw poll....too many bad things have happened as a result of that in earlier polls. I would give a comment or two, although I believe that my lack of knowledge in diacritic names (or which ones are official and most frequently used, anyway) couldn't contribute much to the discussion. Looking over the poll, most of what I know has been discussed already, and restating things that have already been said only makes me appear uninformed and/or stubborn. Sorry I'm not of more help. By the way, I saw that you went on a hiatus after you recieved a slap on the wrist for recruiting votes. You shouldn't be so distraught because you made a mistake&mdash;everyone here has made at least a few, and while it may have been unnecessary to attack a newbie like yourself over such a thing, you shouldn't let it destroy your hope in editing. If you do create an account, tell me, and I'll be happy to help you get back on track.--The ikiroid (talk·desk·Advise me) 02:38, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Twinkie
I was making a point that the preceeding sentence (some people beleive twinkies are chemically made) needed some elaboration. Hopefully my joke spurred someone to do so.

Though you have to admit, it *was* accurate :)

Liu Bei 03:31, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: Pronunciation of "æ"
I first learned Farsi in Tehran and lived there my early childhood. As soon as I turned 12, I left the country for Europe. I came to southern California after some time and this is where I learned English and currently reside.

Take the word bad. The vowel in Farsi is shorter but in English you first open your mouth but end it in a schwa. A lot of English speakers who learned it in their childhood don't notice the second stage that produces this sound notwithstanding their correct replication thereof. Whenever I said bad the way I used to in Farsi, native speaker looked at me as if I had uttered something that wasn't natural to their ears. Later, I started saying bed for bad; this made things a heck of lot worse.

I had no native friends and no one in school ever talked about such nuances. However, one day I came across Pronounce It Perfectly in English (Pronounce It Perfectly in/Book and 3 Audio Cassettes) (Audio Cassette), and finally American Accent Training (American Accent Training) (Audio CD). The first book has a diagram of the mouth showing the two stages for "æ" as in bad, cat, et cetera. These two resources helped me make tremendous strides towards improving my pronunciation.

I am uncertain as to what word has the "eə" sound. Perhaps you're referring to the vowel in bed.

I hope to have answered your question to the fullest extent possible.--06:04, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry I didn't answer earlier. To be truthful, I wasn't exactly sure of how to answer, I've been trying to figure out how the Farsi "æ" is different from the English "æ." I think I figured it out.

When an American pronounces the "æ" sound, they usually don't pronounce it as a pure sound. For example, the word "mad" may be pronounced in Midwestern English as "mjæd" (myad) or "miæd" (mee-add). Southern American English and California English it is pronounced like "mæəd" (meah-uhd) or "meəd" (may-uhd). The english way is usually "mɑd" or "mad" (both like mahd).

The farsi pronounciation of "æ" is somewhat more pure, although it is still not a true "æ" sound. It is pronounced a bit farther back in the mouth, so it resembles a cross between the vowel in "bad" and the vowel in "bird" if it is said the Received pronunciation (standard british) way.

So basically, neither farsi nor english really pronounce the vowel in its pure form, they both change it in some way, but each change goes in a different direction. This means that when you learnt english, you had to learn it as a new vowel because it was so different. I hope this helps.--The ikiroid (talk·desk·Advise me) 16:35, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Your user page
Excuse me, but I hope you don't mind me saying that your userpage is brilliant. I hope that you don't mind that I use the template and everything. Of course almost all of the information displayed on the page is different, and you are credited with the creation of the page at the bottom. Check my user page if you want to see it. I will revert it to my previous page if you do not approve. Thanks. Political Mind 02:51, 10 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Of course you can use it, it's a wonderful design, but it was designed by Sango123, not me. The only thing I really did was provide a color scheme. Take a look at what she's done, it's simply wonderful. She may be able to help you. Also, look at WikiProject User Page Help, specifically, The trading spaces program. I should probably add a message on my userpage saying Sango designed it while I'm at it.--The ikiroid (talk·desk·Advise me) 03:53, 10 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Ok, thanks Political Mind 16:11, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism of Herbert Hoover
Since you warned this person before, I just thought I'd let you know that 67.80.43.31 vandalized the Herbert Hoover page again.

BukkWylde 03:20, 10 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I'm not an admin. Nevertheless, I took it WP:AIV. In the future you should do so immediately when they vandalize after reciving a test-4 or similar template.--The ikiroid (talk·desk·Advise me) 03:46, 10 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your help. Now that I know the process, I'll be able to take care of it myself in the future.


 * BukkWylde 16:29, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

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