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Thankyou
Thankyou for providing the source for Yadu in Rigved, Ikon. Very good book. Will read it soon. Regards. --= No &#124;&#124;&#124; Illusion = (talk) 17:49, 30 January 2010 (UTC)Mayasutra

Warning
Ikonoblast, I was asked to comment on your edits. Either you back up your stuff with credible references, or you're in for either a block or a topic ban. Your edits across the board have been disruptive and POV pushing and borderline vandalism, I've had to clean up after you on a few occasions. Take this as a final warning. – Spaceman  Spiff  16:47, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but I find your behavior intimidating, and perhaps violation of WP:Block. I urge you to refrain from such behavior, otherwise, there is Unblock policy too. Good Luck. Ikon No-Blast  16:50, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * There is no violation of block, as the only action I've interacted with you on is vandalism -- Sudra dynasty. – Spaceman  Spiff  16:51, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * You are not supposed to belong to a cabal, it is better, you either engage yourself in constructive debate,if you can, else leave it on other competent person. You have given no proof of alleged vandalism. All my edit are sourced. Ikon  No-Blast  16:54, 27 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Also, stop issuing bogus warning. perhaps you have forgotten I am more experienced wikipedian than you. Ikon No-Blast  16:57, 27 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Again, like I said, consider this your final warning. Your block log on both this account and during your time as User:Holywarrior is proof enough that you know your disruptive ways. – Spaceman  Spiff  17:00, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you need to see these accounts user:Hkelkar & admin user:Magicalsaumy, you might go in the list, and stop harrasing me now. All blocks were due to acknowedged Bogus cases. Ikon  No-Blast  17:04, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I would ask you not to communicate directly to me now onward. If you do so, I would complain against you for continuous harassment and intimidation to prevent me from debating on certain articles where you seem to have some indirect interest. Ikon No-Blast  17:30, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Forward Class
I reverted your move because it doesn't seem like there is no clear consensus on what to move it to. The requested move will allow an uninvolved editor to evaluate consensus, which is the better way to do things. --RegentsPark (sticks and stones) 05:35, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Indentation note
When replying to talk page messages it is customary to indent ones post by only one additional tab-position (i.e. one "colon"). I noticed that you often use 2 or 3 which makes it somewhat difficult to to parse the discussion. Just a minor point, but I hope you'll look it over. Thanks. Abecedare (talk) 23:20, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

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Yadav
Moved to Talk:Yadav

Re: Saini
I know that the article Saini almost resembles an ethnic propaganda, but then the article on Yadav caste is no better. Currently, the latter article discusses all the Yaduvanshi groups (which do not form a single caste, but are disparate ethnic groups claiming descent from Yadu). This article should be limited to the Yadav caste of North India/Nepal (excluding unrelated groups such as Wodeyars, Pandayans etc.), and a separate article should be created at Yaduvanshi/Yadava for covering all the groups that claim descent from Yadu. utcursch | talk 20:38, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I didn't ask for your personal views about any caste or ethnic group. Please be sure you understand the topic you edit. Ikon  No-Blast  20:40, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

November 2010
Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. However, talk pages are meant to be a record of a discussion; deleting or editing legitimate comments, as you did at Talk:Yadav_caste, is considered bad practice, even if you meant well. Even making spelling and grammatical corrections in others' comments is generally frowned upon, as it tends to irritate the users whose comments you are correcting. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. utcursch | talk 20:50, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I thought I should adhere to the Talk Header and also WP:BLP, which you are violating. Ikon  No-Blast  20:53, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Can you please provide a single instance of me violating WP:BLP? utcursch | talk 21:04, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh yes, just try to Dig into Lalu Prasad Yadav, article and also your recent comments on him in your edits. Ikon  No-Blast  21:08, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
 * My edits to Lalu Prasad Yadav? You mean these: ? Indulging in irrelevant allegations, are we? How about some rational discussion backed up with reliable sources? utcursch | talk 21:44, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
 * You have forgot to add, and this one , where perhaps, you are trying to hide possible abuse of Admin tool, and tampered with my comments on the talk page. Ikon  No-Blast  18:11, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

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September 2011
Your recent edits seem to have the appearance of edit warring&#32; after a review of the reverts you have made on Yadav. Users are expected to collaborate and discuss with others and avoid editing disruptively. Please be particularly aware, the three-revert rule states that: If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss the changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Sitush (talk) 10:15, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) Making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period is almost always grounds for an immediate block.
 * 2) Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 72 hours for making personal attacks. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you would like to be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the text, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. Salvio Let's talk about it! 12:49, 18 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Looks like a dirty trick to me. I don't edit wikipedia regularly, so it won't matter to me much. However, user:utcursch has history of incivility and personal attacks on me.So, I don't think I said anything wrong there.

Also, the timing of block when I just tried to reply to Utcursch's edit questioning sources, suggests some malicious intent. I would rather try to expose who was the admin on getafreelancer.com and who else are the beneficiary. Ikon No-Blast  12:58, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I blocked you as soon as I saw your attack; considering you were warned and this is not the first time to attack people, I made it a 72-hour block; you'll be allowed to reply to Utcursch's edits as soon as this block ends. Please note that threats or attempts to out people or expose them (any people) will result in your block being sensitively increased. I suggest you take these three days to cool down and come back with a cool head, ready to discuss in a collegial fashion. Salvio  Let's talk about it! 13:10, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Dear Salvio, why do you think,wikipedia is the only place I can contribute. People are using wikipedia to spread false information. People perhaps have also found ways to derive monetary benefits out of it. Exposing people who are using admin powers for monetary gains is good for wikipedia itself. Remember Esjay Scandal. If I don't get the chance to assert here, I will find some alternative ways. Thanks. Ikon  No-Blast  13:24, 18 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Unblocking admin should see, the earlier blocks were due to user:VandalPatrol, user:Hkelkar, and an admin user:magicalsaumy, also a close aide of user:utcursh who got caught in sockpuppetry case. Although block log may look like many blocks, the person requesting it has now got permabanned. Ikon  No-Blast  13:47, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I haven't violated 3RR in spirit. Rv to established claim only. The other vtwo behaved as if they were sockpuppets. Ikon  No-Blast  13:51, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Situs commentary on Utcursh's page was an invitation to rv, which is itself violation of policy. Block him too, if you are honest. Ikon  No-Blast  13:53, 18 September 2011 (UTC)


 * If you are claiming Sitush violated policy, you should also show which policy and show the diffs in which he can be seen violating the policy. The policy which you may be looking for may be WP:CANVASS. You have to provide the diff to the canvassing edit now. Then see if policies apply on Sitush too....M W ℳ 14:56, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Asking the admin who put this block on you may give interesting results.M W ℳ 15:02, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
 * . This diff shows he was violating WP:CANVASS. Ikon  No-Blast  15:27, 18 September 2011 (UTC)


 * You could now call upon the admin to take action for blatant canvassing.M W ℳ 15:32, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't know how to call. He must be watching this page and should reply. Ikon  No-Blast  15:34, 18 September 2011 (UTC)


 * The admin is surely reading/will read this page. To make the situation clearer, you can show a few diffs of Utcursh's personal attacks on you. After that, you can ask the admin to show that he/she is acting in a non partisan manner (by taking action on Sitush for acting in bad faith by indulging in canvassing). Otherwise, you can ask the admin to show some non convoluted argument to show that Sitush was not acting in bad faith and was not canvassing. If this is not canvassing, I too may start doing similar things :-)M W ℳ 01:22, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
 * , this commentary is just a text book case of what WP:INCIVIL, and WP:NPA is. Of corse, the admins conduct does not appear to be neutral in this case. Ikon  No-Blast  02:45, 19 September 2011 (UTC)


 * What I had meant was that you show some past edit (from before Sitush canvassing comment to Utcursh) which would showcase Sitush's reason for canvassing Utcursh. The diff should show that Utcursh could already be expected to behave in a particular way only.M W ℳ 03:40, 19 September 2011 (UTC) You and Utcursh have a history? Utcursh and the Yadav article have a history? Utcursh and Sitush have a history? What? The diff should show that. That is what you need to show.M W  ℳ 03:53, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
 * , and subsequent edit wars on the issue. Look he echoes thoughts similar to Sitush, and keeps on edit warring to shunt the Yadav page and rather direct the users to yadu page, and similar commentary on the topic thereafter on talk page with taunts and abuses. Ikon  No-Blast  18:47, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
 * , The diff proves with some prev., and next walks. He has clearly violated WP:CANVASS. Ikon  No-Blast  08:38, 21 September 2011 (UTC)


 * can someone drop me the email of jimmy wales. It would be helpful. Ikon  No-Blast  14:11, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
 * One funny side of all these is that every time I am blocked I stay longer with wikipedia. I hope my experiment with wikipedia may give some different result this time. We need an alternative, this is becoming an internet evil. Ikon No-Blast  14:36, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Jimbo has a Talk page at User talk:Jimbo Wales; that said, I suggest it would be unwise to go directly to the founder of all of Wikipedia, rather than going through the standard Dispute resolution procedures. When you have an argument with your neighbor about how loud he's playing his music, you call the cops, and if you don't get a satisfactory response you go to the town council; you don't just show up at the Presidential Palace and demand the guy running the nation get involved. There are a variety of DR procedures, depending on what kind of complaint you have to file, so those are worth looking into. MatthewVanitas (talk) 04:35, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank You MatthewVanitas. Perhaps you are right in suggesting me the standard routes. I may act on your advice very soon. However, if my senses says it appears to be a fixed game, then there is little wisdom in pursuing it. My life principles & family values doesn't allow me to stoop to the level of ppl. who were not so fortunate like me. Ikon  No-Blast  07:56, 19 September 2011 (UTC)


 * No worries, so far as any "fixed game" concerns, I would submit that you won't gain much traction with generic declarations of "fixed game" or "endemic bias" (which is a legitimate concern, but often mis-cited as a debate weapon). Instead, if you are encountering "fixed games", conflicts of interests, institutionalised practices which unduly favour Anglos, etc., the more specifically you can identify those, and the more dispassionately you can explain how they negatively impact the Project, the more likely folks are to take an interest or lend support. Anything resembling a personal attack, rant, sweeping condemnation, etc. will alienate potential supporters. WP:DR options are good options to follow if you are in the right by WP procedural guidelines. If you have a problem with biases/flaws in the procedural guidelines themselves, that is a larger issue which is above DR. For that, I'm not exactly sure where would be best to start addressing, but if these biases are evident to you on India topics, WP:INDIA might be a good place to start discussing how to approach the issues. If you have observations on Endemic Bias, Jimbo's page might actually be an okay place to float the topic, or the Village Pump if you want to start gathering interest before highlighting the topic so prominently.


 * I share your concerns about Endemic Bias, but I also feel that a lot of WP Endemic Bias is a result of the resources we have to deal with (academic and journalistic) which themselves reflect Endemic Bias. It would, for example, have been hard to write a proper book about the Sioux tribe of America in 1870 using American authors, since the bias of the time would portray the Sioux negatively, or if not that romanticise them. Similarly, there are aspects of Indian history/culture which are simply not well or properly recorded in Reliable Sources, thus the frustration of being able to portray them on Wikipedia in a way that does not violate WP:V, or inability to contradict other arguments from "Reliable Sources" which unfortuantely reflect Brahmin, British, Upper-Class, Forward Caste, "Aryan", Male, Heterosexual, or other such biases. MatthewVanitas (talk) 14:56, 19 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I am so glad to listen from you. I am not complaining about undue favors to Anglos etc, because I don't feel that way. I have never tried WP:DR, so I don't know exactly what they are. Since, you are showing so much faith in this process, i believe you have yourself tried it and it works positively, and is not merely a jugglery. I am of the belief processes don't work intentions work. In the present scenario, intentions of some wikipedian are under suspicion. You can see, the arguments that Utcursch gave in his reply on the talk page to refute my cites are attempt to mislead. Check his very first question earlier, where he says, Christ.. Krisna pseudohistorical fact. When I gave him cite, rather than acknowledging it he says, "where it contains abhira, yadava etc." Nobody has pointed out, it contained Bhndarkar's comment on this subject, exactly which he was asking for earlier. Nobody so far has even pointed it to him. His other refutations are equally attempt to mislead. I am open for discussion, and wanted to reply there, infact was typing it when block took place. If this is not game then what is this?? Ikon  No-Blast  18:15, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Arbcom
Utcursch & Situs case seems fit for an arbcom review. These ppl. have had enough of behind the scene tacts and veiled vandalism, personal attacks and much more than what meets the eyes. I am ready to contribute on this case, if someone joins me, for at least two ppl. are required for arbcom attention. Ikon No-Blast  15:31, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

I agree with you. I want to join you and file a arbcom review about SITUS and UTCURSCH — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.105.168.2 (talk) 01:59, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Volunteer reqd.
I want someone to post my response to mathew vanitas and utcursch on talk:yadav. I will check again after few hrs. kindly show your willingness here. Ikon No-Blast  15:45, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

helpme

If you are blocked you may not edit. Attempting to evade that block by getting someone else to edit as a proxy for you is not permitted, and anyone who did so (known as a meatpuppet) would be liable to a block themselves. JamesBWatson (talk) 20:35, 18 September 2011 (UTC)


 * You have blocked me from editing articles only. however, one should not have any objection if I am trying to contribute by replying to questions asked to me on a different page. I know ppl. were doing it earlier, and there was no objection. Anyway, I really don't mind if you block me indefinitely. However, I would carry a bad image of wikipedia community. I have always been a good editor. It is just the matter of where you edit and not what you edit that makes your reputation. I am just victim of being too active on caste related pages. Ikon  No-Blast  20:53, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't know why you think the block is only for articles. No only is that not true, but it wouldn't make any sense, since you were blocked for making personal attacks, which can be made anywhere. JamesBWatson (talk) 20:44, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes indeed! I know admins are the best ppl. to advise on wikipedia policies. I believed you were honest in telling me I can't ask ppl. to edit on my behalf, though my past experience reminds me of some prevalent practices, about which I talked earlier. When you say, I was blocked for making PA, you should also keep in mind there are ppl. who are not blocked for the same. If mocking my situation pleases you. You should know it looked like an attack to me. I request you not to make any such commentary on my talk page, because you are free to make such attacking statements all over wikipedia. BTW, why you could not direct me to a relevant link, which justifies your claim above, so that I may continue to believe in your honesty. Ikon  No-Blast  06:19, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
 * A user can comment on wikipedia talk page while blocked Look Here. Ikon  No-Blast  08:46, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

The article YADAV needs correction
The article YADAV needs correction. Please include about the various AHIR and YADAV dynasties.

Keep up the the good work. please continue spending time to correct the article YADAV. Your time is certainly valuable and thank you very much for all the efforts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.118.115.66 (talk) 16:31, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Arbcom
I agree arbcom needs to filed against SITUSH and UTCURSH. how can I help you do it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.105.168.2 (talk) 02:01, 3 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Let us wait. However, being just an IP I don't think you would be able to help me in these tasks. Ikon  No-Blast  09:37, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

let me know if you need anything for filing a ARBCOM against sitush and utcursh — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sutradhari2000 (talk • contribs) 18:59, 3 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I would like you to point to M <font color="green" face="Lucida Calligraphy">W ℳ, whose advice you must take in this regard. He seems to be a very capable person and is devoting his time too on wikipedia. temperamentally, he is far better than me and would judge the situation with better accuracy. I am not so active here because of time constraint and so can't promise you much. In fact, I have clients from all around the world who keeps on bothering me, so you are either here or with them. However, whenever free I would surely make some contribution. You should go and take his advice. I too rely on him.  Ikon  No-Blast  07:50, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

October 2011
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war&#32; according to the reverts you have made on Yadav. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement. Please be particularly aware, Wikipedia's policy on edit warring states: If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. Sitush (talk) 10:45, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made; that is to say, editors are not automatically "entitled" to three reverts.
 * 2) Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

Personal attacks and talk pages (Talk:Yadav)
Per WP:TPO: "Some examples of appropriately editing others' comments:...Removing harmful posts, including personal attacks, trolling and vandalism. This generally does not extend to messages that are merely uncivil; deletions of simple invective are controversial. Posts that may be considered disruptive in various ways are another borderline case and are usually best left as-is or archived." The next time you revert my removal of a personal attack against another editor, you are the one I will seek sanctions against. Your tendentious editing on that talk page is bad enough, but still borderline, but personal attacks are strictly forbidden and may always be removed. If you don't like my removal, take me to ANI. Do not reinstate that or any other baseless attack again. Qwyrxian (talk) 12:09, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * You should dare to give me the diff of revert. concerns you gave were false, because there was no attack there. Also, you do not seem o be fair in addressing the situation neutrally. You seem to be acting in partisan manner. Please refrain from joining any cabal, or give people hints that you belong to one. Rv was necessary because the IP seemed to be bringing the legit source. Ikon  No-Blast  05:08, 12 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Ah, yes, my time to eat crow. I was completely wrong, because I reverted the wrong edit.  This diff shows me removing the correct section.  The section I removed the first time should not have been removed.  I didn't pull the right diff out of the history on my first revert.  Basically, I somehow looked at the history, saw the addition of a personal attack by an IP.  Then, by the time I went to the article, you had added something else, and then the same IP added more info (the stuff you reinserted).  I reverted the last one, not noticing it was an earlier edit and section that I needed to get rid of.  I hope you can see that the info in the diff linked here is, in fact, a personal attack. I had no intention of removing a link to a proposed source.  My humblest apologies; I had not noticed that the IP was both helpful and vicious in 2 separate edits.  Qwyrxian (talk) 05:56, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Hijack
Hi, is it possible that your user account has been hijacked by someone else? Your recent contribution here seems to be a little off-beat, not in your usual style etc. Much of it makes little sense & has peculiar phrasing, whereas usually there is no problem in that respect. My apologies if this is not the case but it is a genuine concern and, yes, it does happen. - Sitush (talk) 23:57, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Who will Hijack my account! They won't gain much even if they hijack it. Editing as Ikonoblast/holywarrior, with a long blocklog to display, is not an easy task on wikipedia, where previous blocks are used as an excuse for another block. I have never created an account on this wikipedia, even this one was created by someone else, but all edits made through this account are my own. If this is hijacking, I hijacked it before the first edit itself. Thanks for showing concern though.
 * Much of it makes little sense & has peculiar phrasing - .....Yellowish to Jaundiced Eyes. One of us, surely! Ikon  No-Blast  14:52, 19 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Because you explicitly stated above that "this one was created by someone else", I have blocked this account as a compromised account. Since you and I are slightly involved, I am opening a thread at WP:ANI to discuss the issue. If you wish to make any comments, let me know and I will copy them there. After hearing other's input, if the block is upheld, I'll put up a full official block notice.  Qwyrxian (talk) 05:19, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * For reference, the ANI thread is at WP:ANI. Qwyrxian (talk) 05:24, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Perhaps it would help if you explain how, if this account was created by someone else, it is that you came to use it? How did the account come to exist if you have never created the account?  Maybe I'm just misunderstanding your words.  Qwyrxian (talk) 08:10, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't know what is in your mind, but what I mean is what I said. Holywarrior account was not created by me. It was gifted to me by one of my friend, a long time back. I was editing anonymously before that. He brought me on this wikipedia and later created this account. You should not have anything else in your mind. Nobody else has ever edited through this account and nobody will ever get access to it. We were just out of school when we started editing this wikipedia. Other guy has either retired or may be editing anonymously, after a sockpuppetry allegation(ambiguously confirmed as me!). I don't know how this is relevant now, but looks like it is your style of having fun. Ikon  No-Blast  15:31, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Please respond here or tell me if I should wait or leave, forever. It looks very frustrating. Are we here for these things. Ikon  No-Blast  16:04, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Qwyrxian's ANI report does say that they'll be on/off WP for a few hours and that any other admin was free to overturn the block if they felt it to be appropriate. Clearly, as of right now, none who have seen it are prepared to go quite so far. It is an unfortunate situation but, well, the standard of written English seems to have deteriorated lately (it used to be pretty good, and about 100% better than my ability in any of the Indian languages). Even your responses above have rather muddied the waters & this may account for the unwillingness to rescind. Perhaps you have just been tired or something like that but, please, it is really important that suspected compromised accounts are disabled until the issue is sorted. I'll post a note on the ANI report for you now. - Sitush (talk) 16:11, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * That is not fair. You should go through a sockpuppetry case against me. That should clear the doubt in your mind. I am just being honest with all of you. Ikon  No-Blast  16:27, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Your writing style has changed, which could slightly limit what a sockpuppet investigation might achieve (and, indeed, could work against you in that specific regard). Furthermore, an SPI would usually take longer than this process and a checkuser has already been done by going down the route that Qwryxian chose. Just be patient, please: I doubt that you are going to die in the next few hours and Wikipedia will certainly still be here (both assuming that there is no ridiculous worldwide catastrophe in the interim). - Sitush (talk) 16:34, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't think my writing style has changed. Your attitude may have changed. You don't need to go for any fresh SPI, you just need to pull the record of only SPI against me. Ikon  No-Blast  16:39, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Don't you think that it might be more sensible not to take pot shots at someone who is trying to get this situation resolved, one way or another? - Sitush (talk) 16:44, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * It might help . Ikon  No-Blast  17:10, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * How would a really old SPI help when the entire point is that your style of writing has changed in the last week? Did you read what I said above? I've done my best and am doing no more. You'll just have to wait, or try filing an unblock request. - Sitush (talk) 17:14, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

← For clarity on my end of things, I did not run a check in the sense that I was looking for sockpuppets. I simply verified that the IPs used when the edits in question were made were the same as those Ikonoblast used to edit with in the past. I found nothing irregular. Tiptoety talk 17:19, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Given the explanation and Tiptoety's comment, I have unblocked you. You're the first situation I heard of someone having their account made by another person.  Just to clarify--I see that the person who gifted you the account no longer edits; be sure that they are not using your account to edit, as every account must be used by one and only one person.  Qwyrxian (talk) 22:28, 20 October 2011 (UTC)


 * How do you get to act on Sitush's suspicions to put a block on Ikonoblast. You are heavily involved with Sitush, caste articles, and the caste article on which Ikonoblast is active. WP:INVOLVED does not apply?<font color="red" face="Lucida Calligraphy">M <font color="green" face="Lucida Calligraphy">W ℳ 06:58, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Stirring again? Take it to ANI, MangoWong. If you believe that there has been an abuse of admin powers then you should pursue the matter, and if you do not then there is no point in raising it here or anywhere else. - Sitush (talk) 10:33, 21 October 2011 (UTC)


 * It is Ikonoblast who has an undue block log entry now, and it is Ikonoblast who has been through undue harassment, and it would be for Ikonoblast to take it to ANI or WP:AN as they see necessary. I did discuss the issue at WP:AN when I was involved in a similar issue with Qwyrxian. I find it inappropriate that Qwyrxian should use admin tools in relation to you/ your comments. Qwyrxian is heavily involved with you.<font color="red" face="Lucida Calligraphy">M <font color="green" face="Lucida Calligraphy">W ℳ 10:54, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
 * If it is Ikonoblast's problem then why are you sticking your nose in? You seem to have a tendency to do this: get involved in matters that are not your concern, seemingly with the intention of provoking someone to take action against a party with whom you have a disagreement ... and then backing off after setting up some poor soul as a potential fall guy. Why you keep following me around like this is beyond me, but it is not an occasional thing. It is not fair on the people on whom you visit your campaign & so I repeat, if you have an issue with Qwryxian's actions or with my concern expressed here several days before Q acted then you should personally take it to ANI. If Ikonoblast wants to support your concern on their behalf then they will do so, but please do note that (a) I asked a perfectly sensible question in the first instance; (b) I worked to get the block situation resolved; & (c) Qwyrxian took the matter to ANI straight away. - Sitush (talk) 11:22, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Potentially hijacked accounts are blocked on sight, because there is a very high chance of danger. Had the only evidence been that presented by Sitush, I wouldn't have even considered blocking.  But Ikonoblast said that xe did not create xyr own account.  That did not make sense--why wouldn't a person create their own account?  As such, I blocked immediately, and then, as fast as I could type, took the matter to WP:ANI.  I also unblocked as soon as I saw the further comments, including both Ikonoblast's and Tiptoety's.  I unblocked even though the explanation still doesn't make sense to me, but I felt that at least having an explanation was enough to lower my concern to where I felt it could be handled by other admins.  I've heard this issue with block logs raised before and it has never made any sense to me--this isn't a report card, no potential employer is going to see the log, and any admin looking at for patterns of bad behavior is required to look at it in detail.  Nonetheless, MW or Ikonoblast are welcome to take the matter to discussion forum of your choice.  Relevant options that I can think of are WP:ANI (either a new thread or the prior one); WP:AN, or WP:RFC/U if you want a longer, more detailed case.  I promise I will respond sincerely and take into consideration any community consensus responses.  Finally, I believe that you can attempt to open a case at WP:ARBCOM, requesting that I be desysopped, though I honestly don't know what steps are involved or if you have to first show prior attempts at community resolution.  Qwyrxian (talk) 11:44, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't think anybody else is editing through this account. However, if I am allowed the privilege of getting the edits transferred to a new account, I am ready to let this account go. This would be the fairest thing and would end all the speculation with which I am feeling a bit uneasy. Ikon No-Blast  17:39, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I thank all of you Sitush, Mongo and qwerxian. None of you are wrong. Ikon  No-Blast  17:50, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

The instructions for asking for a new username are at Changing username. I'm not exactly sure what the benefit would be; all of your history would still be there, including your block log. Note that if you simply abandon this account and start a new one, you should clearly indicate on your new userpage that this was your previous account. In other words, you can't walk away from your past. Qwyrxian (talk) 04:50, 23 October 2011 (UTC) Dear Q, I know I know you have toiled hard to create a blocklog and are worried about your contribution going down the drain, even though they consist of rants on talkpages and senseless blocks. I have given you clean chit above, however I also agree with MW, and there must be many other ways of verifying a compromised account. Let me also tell you, I have no intention of hiding anything, did you ever get a feel of it. BTW, why you assumed I don't know about the change of username, when you are fully aware of I having undergone the same in the past. I just wanted to end the speculation around me whether I am "I" or "We". If you have a solution speak up or just keep your mouth shut. I also can sense what you had thought initially while blocking and why you remained off w/p for a while! I neither bluff nor I like those who bluff.
 * As far as running away from past is concerned, if you have really analyzed my account you must have noticed I have a big gap of years, without any edits. Had it been my intention I wouldn't have returned using this same account. Also during initial days of my edits I used a sig. while editing anonymously and later acknowledged all of them.
 * I also know, most admins are/have used socks earlier. Some are even frank enough to admit on their user page. Check,, where he writes about his sp " I am not going to divulge". I remember, it was earlier, "I am ashamed to tell..." So, be sure of what you are speaking and confirm yourself that you are not misleading others. Whatever be the case I am not the kind of person who will try to take advantage of rules or loopholes within them. In any case I would be carrying my prev identity. I just asked you guys if it is possible to create an account and get everything in place, of course my block log too. This will atleast stop ppl. from reffering to me as "they".  Ikon  No-Blast  06:24, 23 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Qwyrxian seems to be saying here that an extra unnecessary, entry in the block log is not a problem and this issue does not make sense to Qwyrxian. But in the Requests for adminship/Qwyrxian thread, Qwyrxian seems to be taking issue with extra unnecessary entries in the block log. . Isn't there a self contradiction there? Or hypocrisy? If the issue about block logs does not make sense to Qwyrxian, how could Qwyrxian say that?<font color="red" face="Lucida Calligraphy">M <font color="green" face="Lucida Calligraphy">W ℳ 07:26, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

Yadav
I have initiated 2 new discussions on Yadav. Request your view on that — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rockstar1984 (talk • contribs) 21:36, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Copyvio at Yadav
You have just added a copyvio to the Yadav article. Please can you fix it. - Sitush (talk) 20:29, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Is it copyvio?? How?? Ikon  No-Blast  20:31, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Because it copies the source word-for-word.
 * By the way, it may not be a great source. I am pretty sure that MangoWong has objected to it before because it only deals with a small area. However, if you want to use it then that's fine - it means that there is more chance that it can also be used for the section about criminality etc that we temporarily removed a while back due to considerations of undue weight. The article has grown since then & so weight is no longer an issue; and, of course, Michelutti is a prime example of an academic who has researched the criminality angle. I've read it before, although in a better format than the one you link to. - Sitush (talk) 20:41, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, you can use it for criminality too. But the tone is sarcastic. Check this link 1st one cites it. . Ikon  No-Blast  20:44, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
 * You missed my point. It is a reliable source as far as I am concerned, but I am sure that MW objected to it being used as an RS for Yadav because it only deals with a few villages. That's their POV, time and again. And the copyvio does need fixing - it is easy to do, but "fair use" (per your edit summary to your post above) does not cut the mustard. Just put the quote directly in the article prose, rather than in the note, eg: Michelutti has noted that "blah blah yadda yadda". - Sitush (talk) 20:49, 27 October 2011 (UTC).
 * You can if you want. However, it would disrupt the rhythm. Ikon  No-Blast
 * Do you mean to say adding the quote in footnote is copyvio?? Plz clarify. Ikon  No-Blast  20:55, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
 * No, adding the words in the main text is copyvio. Have you ever read the policy? You have been around long enough, I would have thought. Just move the quote out of the citation and into the main body of the text - that is the easy solution. As it stands, you have an unattributed, word-for-word copy of what someone else said in the body of the article, and that is not ok. - Sitush (talk) 23:52, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
 * To clarify, merely switching two words round does not get round copyvio concerns: it is an artifice. Another thing that I have just noted is that in the cited quotation you appear not to have followed WP:PUNCT/WP:MOSQUOTE. This is a minor point - once you fix the copyvio issue (or WP:Close paraphrasing, if you wish me to be more specific), then it is simple to fix the punctuation issue. That's assuming my eyesight is working ok, of course - the quotes around "services" do not seem right to me but it is late, I am tired and I may have got that bit wrong. - Sitush (talk) 00:14, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

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attention ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.174.23.252 (talk) 16:59, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Edit warring on Yadav
You have been blocked previously for edit warring & so know the drill. For this reason I am not posting yet another edit warring warning notice here. But please take this message as being such with regard to your actions at Yadav. I have started a discussion: you cannot respond to that discussion and immediately revert. Please self-revert and wait for other people to comment. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 14:00, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
 * You may have to adress the issue of Bogus warning on talk pages on ANI. It is you who is edit warring and it is also you who is warning! Ikon  No-Blast  14:03, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't worry about "maybes". I concern myself with your point when it happens, so there is no need to let me know in this manner - just post the ANI subst template on my talk page when you do it, please. - Sitush (talk) 14:08, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Same Here! You already know this. However, I honor WP:AGF, and also not fond of going there. You know this too. Have you ever seen me issuing warning to anybody??? Let me know. Ikon  No-Blast  14:11, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
 * In that case, I suggest that you stop making threats about ANI - it makes you look silly, which I am sure you are not. Since you have now yet again reverted the content (this time following the intervention of Fowler&fowler), you are in real danger of being blocked not merely for edit warring but perhaps even for breach of the three revert rule. - Sitush (talk) 15:14, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
 * And, by the way, Fowler's stuff was not vandalism, so your edit summary of "RVV" is incorrect. You have been around long enough that you should know this. - Sitush (talk) 15:16, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
 * No it was a Good Faith edit but I don't have Twinkles. Ikon  No-Blast  15:40, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

December 2011
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war&#32; according to the reverts you have made on Yadav. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement. Please be particularly aware, Wikipedia's policy on edit warring states: If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. Sitush (talk) 21:28, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made; that is to say, editors are not automatically "entitled" to three reverts.
 * 2) Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.


 * Stop issuing nonesense warnings PLZ. Ikon  No-Blast  21:30, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. However, talk pages are meant to be a record of a discussion; deleting or editing legitimate comments, as you did at Talk:Yadav, is considered bad practice, even if you meant well. Even making spelling and grammatical corrections in others' comments is generally frowned upon, as it tends to irritate the users whose comments you are correcting. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. I'm sure it was accidental, but please be careful not to remove other editors' Talk page comments when you add your own -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 21:30, 20 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Give me diff plz. Ikon  No-Blast  21:33, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Certainly - here you removed a comment by Sitush. As I say, I'm sure it was accidental, but I'm just asking you to be careful. Oh, and by the way, you really should not use "RVV" (which means "revert vandalism") in edit summaries when you simply disagree with the content you are reverting -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 21:44, 20 December 2011 (UTC)


 * "RVV" means "revert vandalism". As you are well aware, I committed no act of vandalism. Please retract. - Sitush (talk) 21:31, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Are you aware you sd not be using TW for rv non-vandal edits. How many diffs you want ???? Ikon  No-Blast  21:45, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * That's not true - there are no prohibitions on using Twinkle for non-vandal edits. There are prohibitions on using the Wikimedia Rollback feature, but that's a different thing -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 21:46, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * You have a habit of using "RVV" - see the end of the thread above. You really must get away from it because it is potentially a breach of our civility conditions. - Sitush (talk) 21:52, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I will get TW, that will solve the purpose. Good night. I have to sleep for 2-3 hrs at least. Ikon  No-Blast  21:57, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Goodnight to you too -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 22:00, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

January 2012
Please assume good faith in your dealings with other editors, which you did not on Yadav. Assume that they are here to improve rather than harm Wikipedia. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 19:43, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Threats like "Don't worry I will get you and your cabal blocked" are unacceptable here - please adjust your behaviour accordingly -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 19:44, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
 * If I have proof to the cotrary, i can't assume good faith. you sd have asked this to qweyxian too. I see your behavior partial. Ikon No-Blast  19:49, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
 * If you have proof to the contrary, present it on the talk page and get a consensus - do not issue threats to other editors. And I did not issue a warning to Qwyrxian, as Qwyrxian did not issue a threat to anyone -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 19:54, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict)
 * You come on the talk page of the article. BTW, you haven't yourself given any diff till date in favor of your claim that I was rmvng some comments. Ikon  No-Blast  19:57, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Also Qwrxian's edit summary was uncivil, and violation of AGf. He sd have been warned. Ikon  No-Blast  19:59, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Your accusations of there being some sort of cabal are way more uncivil and disruptive than Qwrxian's asking if you wish to be blocked again. There appears to have been extensive discussion over that content on the article's Talk page, and reverting against the current consensus constitutes edit warring and will lead to your being blocked if you continue - I really don't want that to happen, so *please* go discuss it on the Talk page before you try to make the same change again -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 20:02, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 24 hours for edit warring. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you would like to be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the text, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 20:05, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict)
 * It sounds uncivil but is very much true. You see yourself, you are blindly backing them and accusing me. Earlier too you had said I was removing comment, when actually I was not. Ikon  No-Blast  20:08, 4 January 2012 (UTC)


 * i think you have given the diff. No, it can't be! I can't go below a section to delete someone's view. It is surely an admin tool game. I should either talk to jimbo or tke the matter outside wikipedi now. Ikon  No-Blast  20:17, 4 January 2012 (UTC)


 * What do you mean by "tke the matter outside wikipedi now" [sic]? -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 20:27, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Lost faith in this wikipedia. I have given up here, but there are ways outside. You will come to know. Bye. Ikon  No-Blast  20:32, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Probably not. --<b style="color:red;">Anthony Bradbury</b><sup style="color:black;">"talk" 20:36, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

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