User talk:Ilikepie1236

I'm excited to see what you guys do with your article for our class! Deloebrenti (talk) 23:47, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Hello All, Here are my edit suggestions:
 * I dont know that it's necessary to include the last sentence of the first paragraph, especially when it's addressed immediately after in the next paragraph."As an exception, there is one clef that references a note in a space rather than on a line. There are three types of clef used in modern music notation: F, C, and G. Each type of clef assigns its reference note to a line (and in rare cases, a space) depending on its placement on the stave.[b]" I think we can delete the first sentence without any meaning being lost.Bsteve101 (talk) 16:58, 14 September 2018 (UTC)


 * The first sentences of this paragraph are a mess and can be reworded to be much more concise and effective: "The use of three different clefs makes it possible to write music for all instruments and voices, even though they may have very different tessituras. This would be difficult to do with only one clef, since the modern stave has only five lines, and the number of pitches that can be represented on the stave, even with ledger lines, is not nearly equal to the number of notes the orchestra can produce. The use of different clefs for various instruments and voices allows each part to be written comfortably on the stave with a minimum of ledger lines. To this end, the G-clef is used for high parts, the C-clef for middle parts, and the F-clef for low parts—with the notable exception of transposing parts, which are written at a pitch different from their sound, often even in a different octave."Bsteve101 (talk) 17:01, 14 September 2018 (UTC)


 * This sentence is awkward: "To facilitate writing for different tessituras, any of the clefs may theoretically be placed on any of the lines of the stave. The further down on the stave a clef is placed, the higher the tessitura it is for; conversely, the higher up the clef, the lower the tessitura."Bsteve101 (talk) 17:04, 14 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Needs a comma - "For this reason it is known as the French clef or French violin clef although it was more commonly used for flute music."Bsteve101 (talk) 17:11, 14 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Suggestion for a major edit: Add the historical significance of the mezzo-soprano clef - Diatonic scale on C, mezzo-soprano clef. About this sound Play (help·info)Where the C-clef is placed on the second line of the stave, it is called the mezzo-soprano clef.Bsteve101 (talk) 17:16, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Minor edits

Octave Clefs: Tenor banjo is commonly notated in treble clef. However, notation varies between the written pitch sounding an octave lower (as in guitar music and called octave pitch in most tenor banjo methods) and music sounding at the written pitch (called actual pitch). An attempt has been made to use a treble clef with a diagonal line through the upper half of the clef to indicate octave pitch, but this is not always used. Find a source for tenor banjo method, find a tenor banjo method and link it

The unmodified bass clef is so common that performers of instruments and voice parts whose ranges lie below the stave simply learn the number of ledger lines for each note through common use, and if a line's true notes lie significantly above the bass clef the composer or publisher will often simply write the part in either the treble clef or notated an octave down under an 8va bracket.

The phrasing of the first sentence is confusing, instead say that they learn to read down ledger lines, give example of tubists. also say tenor clef as well as treble clef for when notes get above the stave

In Tablature specify that the highest stave line is the highest string and the lowest stave line is the lowest string

in history section " The flourish at the top of the G-clef probably derives from a cursive S for "sol", the name for "G" in solfege.[6]" clarify that it is in fixed do solfege or in Do is C solfege Show an example of a vocal score which uses different clefs for each voice Ilikepie1236 (talk) 22:09, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Edits from Kaili


 * "Six of these, however, are redundant clefs (for example, a G-clef on the third line would be the same as a C-clef on the first line)." Redundant- a subjective word. Some people might think that even is the same pitch, using different clefs feels emotionally different.


 * "Over time the shapes of these letters became stylised, leading to their current versions." -Requires citation- who says that it becomes stylised?


 * "There are three types of clef used in modern music notation: F, C, and G." - Should be four types including Tenor clef Kailiho (talk) 22:13, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Edits from Zhiqi

1, The first picture on the right side is highlighted but not related to the theme. Maybe show pictures of every clef is better.

2, In the first table, the names of clefs are defective. There are different names of a clef.

3, In the first table, the description of the location is defective and abstract. It is better to add a picture. Besides, clefs in different positions in the staff have different meanings. It should also be mentioned.

4, Maybe add more reading materials at the end.

Planning to add a new clef diagram with the following caption "Diagram of Treble, Alto and Bass Clefs showing identical pitches aligned vertically."Bsteve101 (talk) 23:33, 14 September 2018 (UTC)