User talk:Ilyanep/Talk Archive 4

Your Rare Earth cut-and-paste
Some consider my attention to these matters a little excessive in the case of anon edits. I would argue, however, that at least in the case of cut-and-pastes by admins, a better (less misleading or confusing) example needs to be set than your recent one. I would be glad to undo the problem, and advise you on the one part that would be best done by you. Or, better still, i'd be glad to guide you thru what i feel sure would be good practice for you, as an admin, for your role in this regard.

Please in any case read, or re-read, How to rename (move) a page and How to fix cut and paste moves, and if i've left you at all uncertain, please question me. --Jerzy(t) 06:04, 2004 Aug 23 (UTC)


 * Thanks, but at the time I considered that cut and paste would be much better. First of all, there was no talk page and the history had one edit. Second, it was two sentences long. What is it that you would like me to undo, I don't understand.  &mdash;  Ilγαηερ  (Tαlκ, cοηtrιbs) 15:08, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Tnx, &plz forgive my delaying further a fairly straightforward response; i put off something with a hard deadline to get involved in this, but shouldn't be too long. --Jerzy(t) 21:32, 2004 Aug 23 (UTC)


 * What? I don't understand.  &mdash;  Ilγαηερ  (Tαlκ) 22:37, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Well, i'm not sure i said anything worth being sure it's understood. So instead of paraphrasing and expanding upon that whole 2.5 dozen words, let me say now what i would have said 2 days ago if i hadn't
 * felt rushed about what i added to the soon-to-close Votes for deletion/Joseph Greenberg (economist) discussion, and
 * had some 'Net-access problems.

While the anon edit on Rare Earth is indeed pretty trivial, the anon editor may decide to register and have the attribution converted from IP to their user name, especially if it becomes a substantial article re which they get enthusiastic (having seen at least the evidence of further interest that renaming and de-stubbing provide, or seen what the rest of us have gotten wrong or out-of-perspective) and contribute further: claiming credit for a collaborative article probably is much more satisfying when having the idea first is visible.

I think that prospect is one reason for a move rather than copy&paste, but IMO it is more important that
 * there is
 * no clear line between articles (and stubs) worth or not worth using Move on, and
 * no reason i can come up (tho i'm willing to listen to your ideas on this) that copy&paste is ever preferable when the target does not already exist, and
 * consistently using Move (when the target does not already exist) helps to clarify and set an example in an area where there is a significant amount of ignorance, confusion, and neglect.

(Less importantly, a cut and paste introduces a minor uncertainty into the history, since it can not be immediately distinguished from an edit that (perhaps subtly) changes the text from the copied one (which the automatic Diff link, restricted to versions of one page, cannot reveal); every C&P move done instead of a Move-tool one is part of a haystack that hides the few "needles", by which i mean covert changes that are disguised by falsely summarizing them as C&Ps.)

You understand that the IMO-ideal situation would have resulted in
 * Rare Earth having all the versions it does, except a move-created redirect as the first version instead the anon's version (having been created on top of that after a move, instead)
 * Rare Earth (band) having the anon-signed version, instead of the "Ilyanep (pasted from Rare Earth)" one, so the whole history of the article was together.

The worked-out version of my initial remediation plan, based on the situation when i came on the scene, would have been
 * for an admin to move what is now Rare Earth (band) to a temporary user sub-page, delete the resulting redirect, and (only later than the steps below, after making use of its history as implied below) delete the temp,
 * for someone to revert what is now Rare Earth to the anon's version, summarizing "use as article instead of redir",
 * for you to move Rare Earth to an appropriately qualified name ("Rare Earth (band)", Rare Earth (musical group)", whatever),
 * (optionally, since only temporary tags were involved) for you and Ffirehorse to then repeat your two respective taggings, preferably summarizing e.g. "reiterate my edit of 02:38, 2004 Aug 23 on what was then Rare Earth (Music group)".
 * for someone to create a new page Rare Earth (without any deleted versions clinging to it), probably with a single edit (since history of a dab can only rise to a very low level of either substance or historical significance) summarized "duplicate the last version of dab whose history is now on Rare Earth (...", and
 * (optionally) for someone to copy, paste, and reformat the relevant portion of the history of Rare Earth (... (but IMO not bother duplicating the links on it).

(Or, more conventionally, merge the two pages' histories for the new article, after saving and annotating copies of their histories in the article talk in order to ease sorting out the interwoven histories, and still build a new dab.)

As it has worked out, i was naïve in hoping the development of the dab's and the true article's histories could be kept from complicating quickly to a point that would make such an approach distasteful to an impractical degree. (I didn't realize until today the degree of complication!)

I've done a revert of the article, and added a small note to its talk page; i have no further practical concerns about it or the dab.

Thanks for your patience, and i'm sorry to have taken up your attention. --Jerzy(t) 22:49, 2004 Aug 25 (UTC)


 * Okay...I suppose that it's too late, but thanks for telling me anyways.  &mdash;  Ilγαηερ  (Tαlκ) 11:16, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Sig
BTW, while i do think your 3-link sig is a little excessive in general (and while it may be seen as egotistical by some of our colleagues), i have presumed to trim that off your sigs in WP:CU only bcz the Instructions there (have long and presumably still) make a point of compressing the (explicitly optional!) sigs to the point of omitting the usual timestamp: it seems clear that the contribs link is, there, even more extraneous and thus burdensome, than usual.

In general, i'd counsel you that the purpose of the sig is to advance our work here: primarily, attribution (served by the User link); secondarily, speeding communication (since many of us have frequently become impatient waiting thru linking to User and then User talk, the avoidance of which is served by the widely used User talk link); third links, such as to contribs (or off-WP pages) very rarely have relevance to the locations where they appear, and clutter the page, which is to say, they distract readers from what they are trying to accomplsh. And, frankly, i very seldom look at another editor's contribs, and when i do, it is almost always because i am sensing a bad pattern in the editor's work, that needs to be checked out via the contribs. With most editors -- and i resolutely include you in this category -- their work speaks for itself, favorably, and attention to the contribs is as surely wasted as is the "gilding of a lily". --Jerzy(t) 06:51, 2004 Aug 23 (UTC)


 * Okay, thanks for the suggestion, I suppose I'll go back to my old version that simply went Ilyanep(Talk).  &mdash;  Ilγαηερ  (Tαlκ, cοηtrιbs) 15:10, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I think my sig is a bit over the top. But hey, I am over the top. However, I do find the other stuff extraneous, so it has been removed from my sig. I am thinking of changing the colours of my sig because they are too "teen angst". It is just that they are the sunborn's colour's. --metta, T he  S unborn  &#x2638;  18:03, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)

WOW!
If you'll take a look at the box with the archives above, #1 and #2 both took around 1/2 of a year, but #3 took about one month. All three are about the same length (in face #3 is a bit longer). Guess that after a year on wikipedia I'm finally getting active :D  &mdash;  Ilγαηερ  (Tαlκ) 04:57, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Good for you for setting a needed example (by doing your archiving) to someone who's been nagging you to set an example (re using the Move tool). [smile] --Jerzy(t) 18:14, 2004 Aug 25 (UTC)
 * Hehe, I just really needed to archive--this page was getting pretty long.  &mdash;  Ilγαηερ  (Tαlκ) 11:13, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)

And I obviously need something better to do if I'm on at 1:30 AM. gee...maybe I should go to bed. Nah. &mdash; Ilγαηερ  (Tαlκ) 06:24, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Gmail invite
Hi. Congratulations, you win a Gmail invite! Could you email me (through Wikipedia email, if you wish) your email address and first and last names? I need to input those to give you the invitation. I will then put through the invitation when the Gmail site starts working again (it is down at the moment). - Mark 08:08, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Yep
I edit entirely too much. Mike H 00:04, Aug 29, 2004 (UTC)
 * Or do I edit too little?  &mdash;  Ilγαηερ  <font color="#333333">(Tαlκ) 00:07, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * If they're good, like yours are, quality should win out over quantity. I don't wanna toot my own horn, but it is hard to edit so much and actually write things of substance, but I think I do a good job. Mike H 00:08, Aug 29, 2004 (UTC)
 * I suppose.  &mdash;  Ilγαηερ  <font color="#333333">(Tαlκ) 00:09, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * You suppose I do a good job? Touché. Mike H 00:11, Aug 29, 2004 (UTC)
 * I suppose both points that you made in that message.  &mdash;  Ilγαηερ  <font color="#333333">(Tαlκ) 00:28, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Answer
Ah, I was wondering how he managed to cut off half the ip number; should have thought of the obvious. As to my user page, just haven't gotten around to it. Don't really know what to put there, but I wanted a blue name. So I just stuck in a picture. It was too big, so I cut it. Wolfman 00:52, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * I see about the username. The user seems to be a play on User:172's nick.  &mdash;  Ilγαηερ  <font color="#333333">(Tαlκ) 00:56, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Small Test
Recently my sig is causing random bold to show up. I think I fixed it. &mdash; Ilγαηερ  <font color="#333333">(Tαlκ)''' 05:27, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Test.  &mdash;  Ilγαηερ  <font color="#333333">(Tαlκ)''' 05:27, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Thanks!
Don't worry. I won't be gone long and I promise to check in often. Really. Too much love here. - Lucky 6.9 05:30, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Lol. Well, good luck in your vacation, and don't get too stressed, it'd be too sad to lose such a great editor like you .  &mdash;  Ilγαηερ  <font color="#333333">(Tαlκ)''' 05:32, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Adminship
Thank-you very much for supporting me in my 'quest' to become an administrator :). I appreciate your vote.  To my dismay, I found that I don't actually have 1,906 edits.  Instead, I have 1,492.  I apologize for the confusion, but I assure you that I didn't know about this before.  If you want to change your vote, I understand completely, and you can feel free to do so.  Either way, you have my appreciation :) -[[User:Frazzydee|Frazzydee|✍]] 23:20, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Oh...definately not, no matter how many edits you have, it's the quality of them that counts.  &mdash;  Ilγαηερ  <font color="#333333">(Tαlκ)''' 00:17, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)

MediaWiki_talk:newpageletter
According to your wish, I splitted the discussions on MediaWiki_talk:newpageletter. There is now the main discussion about a black N on yellow background and all other discussions are on a secondary page.

Thanks for pointing out - I wanted to split the page soon, but as you have proposed this now, I did it right now !

Tom


 * Sure, thanks.  &mdash;  Ilγαηερ  <font color="#333333">(Tαlκ)''' 00:17, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Block of 216.255.48.36
Why did you feel it was neccessary to bite the newcomer by blocking 216.255.48.36 for "vandalism of In the news"? He obviously doesn't understand vandalism, and from his talk page, no one seems willing to explain much to him. You are becoming an abusive sysop. &mdash; [[User:33451|Mr. Grinch (Talk)]] 19:24, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * I believe some of us had a discussion about this on IRC. If the vandal (please exuse my use of words here) knows about the childlove controversy and the IntheNews template, he's been here for a little while. Plus, he recieved a warning and still put the message back up. I/we decided that the person should know enough about wikipedia by now.  &mdash;  Ilγαηερ  <font color="#333333">(Tαlκ)''' 00:26, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Don't worry, you did entirely the right thing. Incidentally, Mr. Grinch is the one that originally added the listing to the template (though without the "I'M EVIL", as he likes to remind us) - see Requests for comment/33451. --Michael Snow 16:37, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * I supposed something like that went on, but I really don't want to get in a long battle with people.  &mdash;  Ilγαηερ  <font color="#333333">(Tαlκ)''' 23:49, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)

newpageletter
I only changed "Tom" to "Nyxos", as all my other contributions there bear that name. I guess, you wrote "Tom" by mistake (I have nothing against "Tom" but do not want to confuse other readers to that page),

Thanks anyway.

Hopefully, someone is courageous enough to switch it now (for a couple of days) to the black on yellow "N" ....

Tom aka Nyxos


 * Well, you signed my talk page with 'Tom' so I supposed... &mdash;  Ilγαηερ  <font color="#333333">(Tαlκ)''' 23:51, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)

English
Hi. Please disambiguate English on your user page. For example, English. RedWolf 02:43, Sep 3, 2004 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads-up.  &mdash;  Ilγαηερ  <font color="#333333">(Tαlκ)''' 20:42, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC)

An urgent note from the Leader Of Everything!
Loyal subject, thou hast done well. You have earned the full largesse that is Lucky 6.9. It is with great pleasure and not a little bit of delerium tremens that I knight thee Pope C. Cola, spiritual leader of the Great Wiki. So shall it be done. Thou would have receivest my largesse and generosity sooner had the central server of the place at which I toil not taken it in the jiggy with the wa-wa brush due to a surge of great power. I have spoken. You may rise. - Lucky 6.9 04:28, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Wow...I understood that...  &mdash;  Ilγαηερ  <font color="#333333">(Tαlκ)''' 20:37, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC)

New page letter design
I'm not recommending you do this unless there is consensus for it at MediaWiki talk:Newpageletter, but to get, for example, a yellow N for you with no change for anyone else, you would need to do the following:
 * 1) In MediaWiki:Monobook.css, add #newarticlemark {font-weight: normal;}.
 * 2) In MediaWiki:Newpageletter, add N</b>
 * 3) In User:Ilyanep/monobook.css, add #newarticlemark {background: #FFFF00;}

Angela. 22:12, Sep 3, 2004 (UTC)

Alright, I suppose I should ask there. &mdash; Ilγαηερ  <font color="#333333">(Tαlκ)''' 22:21, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Can of worms
I know! But I can handle one angry newbie no problem. If he comes back and vandalised I'll block him myself. If you look at the edit history RickK's note was after an edit to the sandbox. He could have been a little nicer about it. The newbie may well be a troll. But he also may be an ordinary person with a strong personal opinion of bush who unware of our policies let RickK rub him up the wrong way. Anyway, there is no way rick should have blocked him. he should have let someone else do it. Theresa Knott (Nate the Stork) 23:08, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * OK, I suppose. Your problem now ;).  &mdash;  Ilγαηερ  <font color="#333333">(Tαlκ)''' 23:11, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Thank you.
Please see my comments at User talk:BushIsEvil. BushIsEvil2 23:38, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Graph
Here it is. P.s., holistic is spelled with one 'l'. V V 05:36, 5 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks a lot, VV.  &mdash;  Ilγαηερ  <font color="#333333">(Tαlκ)  13:38, 5 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Re: Tasty Sandwich
I changed to Tasty Sandwich a few days ago to drop the bad edits associated with "Mr. Grinch". I soon rejected Tasty Sandwich and used i386. If you have any problems with that, please let me know. &mdash; i386 | Talk 21:34, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Oh, that's who i386 is ... okay. Thanks for telling me.  &mdash;  Ilγαηερ  <font color="#333333">(Tαlκ)  01:24, 7 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thanks for reverting my vandalized userpage! [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality (talk)]] 22:03, 8 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Oh, it's no problem, I was just patroling the RC at the time.  &mdash;  Ilγαηερ  <font color="#333333">(Tαlκ)  22:32, 8 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Support
Thank you very much for your support during my recent run for adminship. I appreciated it very much. Mike H 23:48, Sep 9, 2004 (UTC)
 * You deserved it.  &mdash;  Ilγαηερ  <font color="#333333">(Tαlκ)  03:01, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)

MediaWiki Server
This may not be the best place to put this, so please copy it to the correct area

Hi, I'm thinking about running a personal Wiki (for me and my friends) on a pretty old computer (about 250 Mhz, probly a 10 GB HD, etc.) -- why? Because I'm a geek and my friend's geek dad is giving it to me for free if I can find a use for it!

Anyways, I want to install Linux on it and run MediaWiki 1.3. My question is, what's the best free Linux distro for this? I'm trying to choose between Debian, Mandrake, and Fedora (but there may be a better one out there). Generally, all I need is a good secure, lightweight distro with the proper PHP, MySQL, and Apache support.

Additionally (another situation entirely), is it possible to install a MediaWiki server on my "work" (primary) computer running WinXP, so that only me and the other computer on my wireless network can see it? Would I be able to access the Wiki from the local computer running it? And would I still need Apache?

Thanks for any insight you can give me,

&mdash; Ilγαηερ  <font color="#333333">(Tαlκ)  01:32, 7 Sep 2004 (UTC)


 * It depends on whether you want to keep running Linux on that machine. If you just want a quick install, Mandrake and Fedora are good choices, as they provide a fairly easy setup. Both of them should contain up-to-date MySQL, Apache and PHP binaries, but you'll have to manually select them during or after installation. For a long-term installation, Debian's apt-get and associated configuration tools can save you a lot of pain, but the installation procedure is more involved and will take an afternoon at least if it's your first time.


 * Fedora is the unstable development version of Red Hat, so you may encounter some unpleasantness. Mandrake is a bit more solid.--Eloquence*


 * If it's between Mandrake and Fedora, I choose Mandrake. Personally, I've used both on my primary comp as a dual-boot and I just like Mandrake more. I'm right now in the process of downloading Debian to see how that works on my primary comp.  &mdash;  Ilγαηερ  <font color="#333333">(Tαlκ)  02:18, 7 Sep 2004 (UTC)


 * Any distro will work, but ideally I'd recommend you compiling the software yourself, as then you can optimise it easily. There's a guide so you won't screw up. It's supposedly for Red Hat only, but it worked for me on both Mandrake and Slackware. As to your other questions, the answer to the first question is no. The second, yes, and the third, yes. Johnleemk | Talk 11:34, 7 Sep 2004 (UTC)


 * If you're reeeeeeally into compiling software yourself, then you might find Gentoo Linux interesting. It builds your entire environment from source, and optimizes it for your hardware based on compiler flags that you specify.  However, on a 250MHz system, it can take days (literally) just to get a rudimentary system running. - jredmond 21:05, 7 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Sissy. "Portage," hah!  Real men install Linux From Scratch.  --Ardonik.talk 21:11, Sep 7, 2004 (UTC)


 * Lol...  &mdash;  Ilγαηερ  <font color="#333333">(Tαlκ)  23:42, 7 Sep 2004 (UTC)


 * On a server that slow, you would get much better performance from FreeBSD. Though I wouldn't use the 5.x branch on a production system yet.


 * Darrien 00:44, 2004 Sep 8 (UTC)

I thought FreeBSD was dying. Seriously, though, I've run a large mediawiki installation (several gigs) with a decent amount of traffic (10,000 or so hits/day) on a 400Mhz Celeron running Linux from Scratch. My CPU averages about 15%. So I wouldn't worry too much about performance. Mediawiki's bottleneck is in the disk seeks. anthony (see warning) 01:55, 8 Sep 2004 (UTC)


 * As I've often wryly said, MediaWiki doesn't have a bottleneck, it's not a bottle. It's a complex application. On the live site, most requests are filled without any disk activity. We have a lot more hardware dedicated to providing CPU than to providing fast disk storage. If you are observing a large amount of disk seek activity, you might want to try upgrading your RAM, and enabling the various kinds of application-level caching. -- Tim Starling 03:24, Sep 8, 2004 (UTC)

Hi Ilyanep. It was time to clean the village pump, so here is your question in case you hadn't seen all the replies yet. Angela. 14:35, Sep 10, 2004 (UTC)

RfA
Thanks for nominating me for adminship. It feels good to know that someone actually supports me. [[User:Mike Storm|Mike ∞ Storm]] 20:28, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Hey, no problem. You deserve it.  &mdash;  Ilγαηερ  <font color="#333333">(Tαlκ)  22:18, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Holiday Wikiproject
It's been inactive for awhile, but I hope to get it active again. Take a look at my beta version of a table at Rosh Hashanah. I want to do that for all of the holidays, but use meaningful colors – blue and white for Jewish holidays, red and green for Christmas, green for Islamic holidays, national colors for national holidays, etc. [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality (talk)]] 04:44, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * That makes sense. It's a shame that we were inactive. We need some more publicity for the project.  &mdash;  Ilγαηερ  <font color="#333333">(Tαlκ)  21:39, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Gmail invites
I'd like one, please. I've been avoiding asking for one from several sources because I have too many email accounts as is, but maybe I ought to get into the 21st century. :) (E-mail Omitted).  Thanks.  RickK 22:20, Sep 18, 2004 (UTC)

Thank you. RickK 23:30, Sep 18, 2004 (UTC)

Would it be possible to request one. Thanks. E-Mail Ommited--Jondel 02:30, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)

It's working, Thank you. Muchas gracias. Obrigado. Arigato（有難う）. Sye-sye(謝謝). Mercie beaucoup.Maraming salamat. Terri makasi.--Jondel 03:05, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Umm...you're welcome? Have fun.  &mdash;  Ilγαηερ  <font color="#333333">(Tαlκ)  03:25, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Yes, thanks.--Jondel 03:45, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Can I get one as well? E-Mail Ommitted. Andris 03:30, Sep 19, 2004 (UTC)
 * It's working. Thanks! Andris 18:53, Sep 20, 2004 (UTC)

May I have one as well, please? ← El  Chico!  Talk 12:53, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Jimbo Visit
I will be at the University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign 23 October, 2004, speaking at the ACM Reflections | Projections Conference 2004 -

This conference runs from 22. - 24. October 2004; it would be fantastic to have a Wikipedia booth, if I can get volunteers for it.

Do you think you could come? Jimbo Wales 16:30, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)


 * I don't think you would want me as a volunteer -- I'm only 13 ;). I really wish I could come, but it would mean getting a ride and it would really be a hassle. Ah, the limitations of being my age.  &mdash;  Ilγαηερ  <font color="#333333">(Tαlκ)  16:53, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Your welcome message
Hi. Your welcome message (like at User talk:Password) has an "Additional tips" header in it which causes section heading editing to be messed up further down the page. Could you remove that header? Thanks. RickK 22:03, Sep 19, 2004 (UTC)
 * No Problem.  &mdash;  Ilγαηερ  <font color="#333333">(Tαlκ)  23:30, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Thanks! RickK 23:32, Sep 19, 2004 (UTC)

Thanks
I actually thought i was logged in, my user icon was on the screen and clicked on it. Thanks for your help, i'm new in here. If there's some i can do for you just let me know.

Happy Surfing,

Mauro


 * No problem. Have fun.  &mdash;  Ilγαηερ  <font color="#333333">(Tαlκ)  01:04, 20 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Geez, you're quick!
Vandalism reverted in less than ten seconds, literally. Nice work! [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality (talk)]] 01:30, Sep 21, 2004 (UTC)
 * Ha. Thanks, I do a lot of RC patrolling ("hide logged in users" ;).  &mdash;  Ilγαηερ  <font color="#333333">(Tαlκ)  01:31, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * I'm "on duty" tonight, so to speak. Mr. Treason's on the prowl. [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality (talk)]] 01:33, Sep 21, 2004 (UTC)
 * Yeah, who is this, Mr. Treason?  &mdash;  Ilγαηερ  <font color="#333333">(Tαlκ)  01:37, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * A psychotic anon user based in New Jersey. He (or she?) likes vandalizing people's userpages, and has a special fascination with vulgarities and racial slurs. See the Mr. Treason page for details. [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality (talk)]] 01:40, Sep 21, 2004 (UTC)
 * He just vandalized your userpage, by the way. I reverted him. [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality (talk)]] 01:40, Sep 21, 2004 (UTC)
 * Oh, but how could he have vandalized my userpage if it and all my subpages are protected?  &mdash;  Ilγαηερ  <font color="#333333">(Tαlκ)  01:42, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * I meant talk page, sorry. [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality (talk)]] 01:43, Sep 21, 2004 (UTC)
 * Oh, I understand, and I see what you mean by vulgarities. Thanks for reverting it.  &mdash;  Ilγαηερ  <font color="#333333">(Tαlκ)  01:44, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * No problem. As a hard-banned user, all of Mr. Treason's edits are to be reverted, good or bad. Here are his favorite pages:
 * User:Mr. Treason and User talk:Mr. Treason
 * User:Snowspinner and User talk:Snowspinner
 * User:blankfaze and User talk:blankfaze
 * User:Neutrality (me) and User talk:Neutrality (me)
 * Edgewater, New Jersey
 * Wikipedia:Ignore all rules and Wikipedia talk:Ignore all rules
 * User:66.9.199.124
 * North Caldwell, New Jersey
 * The Love Boat
 * A New Day Has Come
 * User:Mr. Treason/Request for comment and User talk:Mr. Treason/Request for comment
 * James Caldwell
 * Edgewater, New Jersey
 * Totowa, New Jersey.
 * [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality (talk)]] 01:49, Sep 21, 2004 (UTC)


 * I'd place my talk page on the 'hit list' now.  &mdash;  Ilγαηερ  <font color="#333333">(Tαlκ)  01:51, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Indeed. I proudly post the number of times people have vandalized my userpage - I'm up to 13-15 now. [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality (talk)]] 02:00, Sep 21, 2004 (UTC)


 * For me, it's about 2 ;)  &mdash;  Ilγαηερ  <font color="#333333">(Tαlκ)  02:00, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC)