User talk:Imperator3733/Ivy Bridge archive

Ivy Bridge microarchitecture
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Welcome to Wikipedia! I saw that you added an "Ivy Bridge microarchitecture" to List of Intel CPU microarchitectures. However, you did not include a link to your source. Where did you get this information? Assuming that this is factual information, it is an excelent addition -- you just need to add a source. Thanks! -- Imperator3733 05:53, 12 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Feel free to add a citation. This content was taken from an Intel internal interview with Rony Friedman, general manager of Mobile Microprocessor Group, and posted internal to Intel on 2007-10-11. The interview was mostly about Penryn but also commented on p1266 45nm and p1270 (32nm) process technologies including that Ivy Bridge was to be a p1270 shrink of Sandy Bridge (from the last section: "What's the next stage for the Penryn design team?"). It should be noted I also added such information to the Sandy Bridge (CPU architecture) entry. 64.122.14.55 17:42, 16 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Could you please post a link to this interview and then add a citation? WP:V states:


 * The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. "Verifiable" in this context means that any reader should be able to check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source.


 * I can not find any information on "Ivy Bridge", so under my interpretation of WP:V, this information is not verifiable. If you are unable to provide a source of this information, I will remove the references to Ivy Bridge until a source becomes available.  As you provided the information, you should add the citation, not me.  -- Imperator3733 20:57, 15 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I can post a link but unless you have access to Intel's intranet you will not be able to access the content. It is easily verifiable by anyone with such access though. I cannot access items cited from out-of-print 30-year-old publications but that does not keep them from being the only citation for content here. You are welcome to do whatever you like. I suggest leaving it as "needs citation" until such a time as a more public citation comes along. For reference here is the link: https://circuitcontent.intel.com/Circuit/Index/News/Business+Group+News/2007_ww41_LH_MG_Friedmaninterview.htm 64.122.14.55 17:42, 16 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Once again, WP:V states:


 * The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. "Verifiable" in this context means that any reader should be able to check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source.


 * As only readers with access can get at the source, I am going to remove the data. Since you are implying that you have access to Intel's intranet, if you would like to leak this information, please give it to some other website.  Once that is done, then the information can be added back in and cited from that source.  -- Imperator3733 16:23, 16 October 2007 (UTC)


 * OK, but like I said I (and not anyone for sure) can verify citations from old out-of-print sources (or even links that have disappeared all together) either but they are strewn all over wikipedia. Perhaps I should publish such information elsewhere so it can then be verifiable here (that seems rather foolish but so be it). 64.122.14.55 17:42, 16 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I did find a reference to Ivy Bridge--that is, a 22nm shrink of Sandy Bridge but minus the actual Ivy Bridge name: http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3283&Itemid=51
 * So if you want to just kill the Ivy Bridge name but not the rest that might be a better solution. 64.122.14.55 17:42, 16 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Here is another reference to a 22nm shrink of Sandy Bridge (again no name): http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/09/19/1720242 64.122.14.55 17:42, 16 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Yet another reference to a 22nm shrink of Sandy Bridge--again no name: http://www.planetamd64.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=32798&view=findpost&p=307829 64.122.14.55 17:42, 16 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I found a reference to Ivy Bridge! I did not write this (and in fact I had to translate this to English to figure out what it said): http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Bridge 64.122.14.55 17:42, 16 October 2007 (UTC)


 * More references to a 22nm shrink of Sandy Bridge (some originating from wikipedia articles!):
 * http://tweakers.net/reviews/740/2/chip-magicians-at-work-patching-at-45nm-pagina-2.html
 * http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?s=f8036076c4609c8138d888cef2167057&p=2381112&postcount=34
 * http://www.tech-forums.net/pc/f76/intel-accelerates-45nm-plans-hitting-market-q4-07-a-150124/index2.html#post1153966
 * http://wapedia.mobi/en/Intel_Core_2?p=1
 * http://www.clintongoveas.com/wikipedia/?title=Intel_Core_2
 * http://hp-srivathsan.blogspot.com/2007/08/core-2-brand-refers-to-range-of-intels.html
 * http://www.top40-charts.com/pedia.php?title=Core_2
 * 64.122.14.55 18:05, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * My objection is not to the reference to the 22nm shrink, it is about the name. The 22nm shrink makes perfect sense becuase of tick-tock.  However, except for the Intel interview that you mentioned (which I can not access as I don't have access to Intel's intranet (unfortunantely)), there have been no sources mentioning the name (the Italian Wikipedia page you mentioned was added on 15 October, so they most likely got the information from here).  If the name gets onto another website, then it can be added here, otherwise we should just wait until there is an official/unofficial announcement/roadmap.  Also, please do not post anymore links to just the 22nm shrink -- if you find a reference to the shrink's name, that's fine, but once again, the actual shrink is not the problem, it's just the name.  -- Imperator3733 18:46, 16 October 2007 (UTC)