User talk:Imperatore

Labels
I'm having issues with Celine Dion's label signings under Sony (for the infobox). I was wondering if you have technical knowledge about labels/signings/copyrights etc. or if you would be interested in the matter. Imperatore (talk) 20:42, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Should I begin scouring for other users on label discographies, or would you be interested in the issue? Imperatore (talk) 21:49, 6 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I fixed the labels to the latest version. However, my concerns are as follows:


 * 1) She was first signed in 1986 to CBS Records Canada and released one album for them. Finally in 1990 she got an American signing with Epic, wanting to expand her horizons both in the English and French speaking worlds. As you may know, signings with the major labels outside of the US (and sometimes the UK) are limited to that territory only. So a Sony Music Canada signing is limited to Canada only, whereas an American signing with the frontline labels, columbia, epic, etc.. allows for almost automatic marketing and distribution throughout the global Sony Music network, and the artist's material is (or can be) released by every Sony Music "insert your country here" company in 50+ countries.
 * 2) The unique thing with Celine is that her 1986 signing with CBS Canada still prevails- EVERY single release, to this day, features a phonographic copyright, both (P) and (C), to Sony Music Canada. Therefore Sony Music Canada is the repertoire owner of her discography, prompted by that very initial signing. I had put CBS Records Canada (1986-1990) to indicate her time exclusively with the Canadian arm, however as evidence suggests her initial contract still owns the recordings, should it be changed to Sony Music Canada (1986-present)???
 * 3) Further notes: Once signed to Epic, Epic moved her to 550 Music when it was founded in late 1991, and she stayed on 550 until it was closed in 2000, returning on Epic-only as most of the artists on the roster folded into Epic. In 2007, she moved from Epic to Columbia.

Imperatore (talk) 22:24, 6 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Also I meant to indicate that Celine isn't the only one with this unique setup. An almost identical scenario played out with Our Lady Peace (again here I cleared up the infobox labels). Imperatore (talk) 22:38, 6 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the referral- indeed judging by User:Steelbeard1's edits, this user is probably best suited to address these technicalities. Imperatore (talk) 01:25, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Looking at Celine's Canadian releases on the HMV Canada web site, I noticed that they were mostly on the Columbia label. I did see on eBay an old Francophone 45 from her on the CBS label. CBS Records Canada is now Sony Music Canada. Depending on which part of the world, her recordings are either on the Columbia or Epic labels and both are Sony Music labels. In the USA, she is on Epic. It is perfectly OK to list her recording on both Columbia and Epic just like it is OK for The Beatles' pre-Apple records to be on Parlophone and Capitol, both EMI labels. Steelbeard1 (talk) 01:43, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Right, I don't dispute anything you said. In fact, Celine's signings as they stand now are crystal clear and precise, as well as the release history boxes for each album that indicate the territories and labels. A more fundamental problem here, besides the Celine specific example above, is how do we deal with non-US and UK discography by Sony Music (insert country here) companies (and the other big 4), who use frontline labels to catalogue and imprint their releases. Back to Celine, does a CBS Records Canada signing justify using just Columbia, since Sony Canada used Columbia imprinting and cataloguing? So should the infobox read Columbia (1986-1990; 2007-present)? There certainly is no Columbia Records Canada, outside of the US its all consolidated into single companies using the parent name. Imperatore (talk) 01:57, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Infoboxes, I believe, are good for signings under label, and that way you can always keep it meaningful, and not about imprints. For example, even now that Celine is signed to Columbia, there will always be some territories that will continue Epic, such as Japan and Australia. At the end of the day, the imprints each territory uses are meaningless (for the infobox); the signing on the other hand is much more meaningful. My concern was that should the Canadian signing stop at 1990 or extend to the present, since they are the legal repertoire owners of everything put out since 1986, even though since 1990 she records under the frontline (American) operations. Imperatore (talk) 02:09, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * For Celine's current output, I would choose first the imprint used by the Sony Music unit listed on the copyright notice. Steelbeard1 (talk) 10:42, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

RE: I look to you
erm yeah that seems reasonable. sorry i've re-added it, only removed as i was trying to routinely tidy up the release history. (Lil-unique1 (talk) 00:55, 4 September 2009 (UTC))


 * I agree, as a general rule frontline labels should be which label releases the album in the artist's home country. For example Whitney's frontline label should be counted as Arista for the US, whereas in the UK Arista releases alongside RCA label group with distrubution from Sony Music. One Sony Music Japan's website has been reformed we should remove the disambiguation. But yeah in essense i agree with what you say. We can make an educated assumption that Sony Music is responsible for the majority of this release. This could be applied to many other albums too. (Lil-unique1 (talk) 16:36, 4 September 2009 (UTC))

Re: The Fame
On Gaga's home page it says that she signed a Joint deal under Interscope and Kon Live Distribution. On copies of the album i used to own it said "a joint production from KonLive Distribution and Cherrytree Records". Followed by "in association with Streamline Music Productions". and finally "with exclusive lisense to and distribution rights with Interscope Records". (Lil-unique1 (talk) 00:49, 8 September 2009 (UTC))

Clubbin'
I'm not sure about that. What constitutes "promo" material (allegedly) in Greece is somewhat different than N.A. From what I found, the entire album is available digitally by legal download on that site, while I looked around a little bit on some forums which I am not a member of and I read that some people had actually bought it physically for about 5 euros. Usually, if an album is available for retail physically and/or as a digital download it is notable, even if it is somewhat more rare than other releases. The thing is, most EPs are for promotional reasons anyway, so they do not get the wide distribution that albums and singles get. In Greece, they don't call anything an "EP" exactly so we have to make our own judgments, as most Greek CD Singles are in fact EPs in N.A. (although in Greece they call them maxi-singles). EPs that cannot necessarily be called CD singles in Greece are released, however, they are not given as much attention, so it kind of depends on perspective of what the album is. For me, since it was available as a dig. download and apparently can be bought physically, that made me think it was notable enough to be considered more than just a promo single. GreekStar12 (talk) 07:30, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, I've noticed that there are a lot more digitally-available albums being released lately in Greece. Rouvas' I Megaliteres Epitihies was created last year, although we originally thought that it was a fan album, we later discovered it was available for sale. There is another Paparizou album on the site, Platinum Edition 01, I believe, containing greatest hits and remixes and a new Rouvas ballad compilation. The thing that makes me doubt the promo factor is that they look quite ligid, have release dates and artwork, and can be seen outside of that specific site, which is a pretty significant music retailer on its own. In an unrelated topic, usually single retailer items are not notable enough, however, many artists have their iTunes Essential albums on wiki. The digital thing might just be a better way of attaining sales due to the condition of the industry right now.GreekStar12 (talk) 07:38, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Karvelas
Thanks for the label info for the Karvelas albums. I'm still making a few more of them. BTW, one of them says plat for 40,000 in 1996, but wouldn't it have had to be at least 50,000 back then? I'm making a few more now but all of the info I found said just Columbia, so I probably won't put in the correct imprint again. Also, sorry for taking so long to reply to you about that other question, I logged out. I don't currently use any of those other ones right now, but I'll let you know if I do (since I don't usually like to give my e-mail out, lol) GreekStar12 (talk) 22:21, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

RE: Catalogue Numbers
Im not sure, i would like to say i understand enough about the matter but i am afraid i dont. I guess the UPC is more acceptable as digital sales are now over taking physical sales. (Lil-unique1 (talk) 23:08, 30 September 2009 (UTC))

Minos EMI
That logo is only an alternative logo. Actually Minos logo was differed according to the color of the vinyl disc. An idea for the article, is to put some photos from Minos's vynil discs. I have some Minos discs, and i could upload them.

Mehri Edo
I heard the entire album. Well, lately, most of the female singers in Greece have been claiming to produce "shocker" albums but this one actually lives up to the title. It's actually quite nice but I am completely confused. I have to admit that when you said Korkolis I was caught off guard and actually thought you meant (Nikos) Kourkoulis, lol. Since Musical.gr had a very specific genre description for Irthes, I checked there but all they had for genres was the main pop/rock, which doesn't mean much b/c they also categorize Vandi's albums under this. It's hard to say exactly what it is, but it fits 100% under entehno. "Paraxeni Agapi" for ex. was pretty rock, one or two were more poppy and another had some laiko influences, but overall the album was very ballady and seemed something of which an older singer would produce. I noticed that even the way she sings has changed and much of the album sounds like it could have been included on Haris Alexiou's Os Tin Akri Tou Ouranou Sou. Overall, the album was very reminiscent of Alkistis Protopsalti who is also a longtime collaborator of Korkolis. This is a similar problem that I ran into with Parios. I'm really not a fan of labeling a lot of Greek music as pop/rock, but I think that those could be used as a subgenre in this case, but mostly, I don't think that the album is that mixed, but rather purely entehno. A few years ago, Korkolis produced the song "S'eho Erotefthi" for Sakis which is considered to be pop, however, I think that if he wasn't so solidified as a pop singer, it could have been classified as entehno. Part of that, though, is the vocal style, where he uses lots of range in dynamics, entehno tends to be more constant, which I see in hryspa's vocals here. GreekStar12 (talk) 17:25, 11 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, I haven't heard Kathreftis and the last thing I have heard from Chrispa is Posa Hrostao, and that's what I am comparing it to. I think that it would be good to add pop and possibly pop rock as well. GreekStar12 (talk) 19:46, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I have Kathreftis, it's a great album. If I had to guess what a new Greek album would sound like, Kathreftis was it, very typical. I found Mehri Edo to be very different, kind of depressing at first since I like more of the upbeat songs and slow bouzouki ones. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 19:57, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Various
A while back I began fixing the Greek music categories so that all of the singers weren't all clumped up in the pop singers category. Now we have four cats: pop, rock, folk, and dance. I think that instead of folk we should probably move that genre to laiko. I actually think it would be appropriate to introduce laiko, contemporary laiko, and entehno cats as well. Ideally, it would be nice to introduce some other genres like r&b, hip hop, although most of these alternative artists don't have their own articles yet.

Honestly, I haven't been paying much attention lately but some "hip hop" (a la Grece) would be Goin' Throu and Vourliotis, Stavento, TNS, Stereo Mike, Professional Sinnerz, and not really sure of any others. If there were to be an R&B cat I suppose some Rouvas songs could fit under this, Annette Artani, and Kalomira, I guess :S Generally, in Greek awards shows they tend to put anything hard rock, R&B, hip hop/rap, reggae, whatever under the alternative category (although MAD has its own hip hop category) b/c there are usually not enough acts to make their own categories from. This is why I haven't been able to really do any cat shifting. GreekStar12 (talk) 17:42, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

The Fame
I'm sorry that was a mistake at my part. --Legolas ( talk 2 me ) 08:55, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Wow. I can see you really worked hard on the article. Here's hoping that we can collaborate in the future to develop a Lady Gaga wikiproject. :) --Legolas  ( talk 2 me ) 09:01, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * No. Its just UMG India thats it. --Legolas  ( talk 2 me ) 09:14, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Rebetiko
Hi Imperatore Thanks for those kind words! I can consider revamping the rebetiko section in Music of Greece, but am a bit busy right now. As to the other sections I feel a bit doubtful. On the one hand I can see a number of points of both structure and detail which would profit by being corrected at various places in this hugely ambitious page. On the other hand I don't consider myself sufficiently knowledgeable to do any full articles on other kinds of Greek music at the level of my rebetiko work, which is the result of having lived with rebetiko for nearly 40 years. Although I'm familiar with the various areas of dimotiká and laïká, with much of the music of Hadjidákis, and with a few of the more modern artists, I'm afraid it would take me far too much time and research to do anything at the same quality level on those areas, where I'm sure there are others who are better qualified. Best wishes Boulouti (talk) 10:51, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Re:Labels
Well, I assumed that all labels that the song was released under was appropriate to be included in the infobox, but since you stated otherwise, I really would not attempt to revert your edits anyway.. • вяαdcяo chat  07:51, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism reverts
I'm very sorry, I really didn't realise I'd reverted so much wow, if you need help fixing it back, let me know! Jayy008 (talk) 15:05, 30 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah I know what you mean and thank you, I do try, nothing more annoying than sales and charts inflations! Jayy008 (talk) 16:33, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Hitmixes
heya, if you google hitmixes almost every single result calls it an ep. thats why i put it as one :) Mister sparky (talk) 22:02, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
 * official online retailers have to comply with guidelines set by record companies about how they define things. hitmixes is only 7 tracks and 30mins long, for eg the OCC classes anything betweeen 25-40mins as an ep as its too short to be classed as a full-album. i'm sure all countries are different, but there must be a definitive guideline somewhere as to what its classed as. Mister sparky (talk) 22:21, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
 * well even the canadian source you used for its chart position calls it an ep... Mister sparky (talk) 00:36, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Gaga revisions
Hey, I think it's great that you're being bold in editing Gaga's bio. However, some stuff has to be put back, most notably about touring. I've omitted plenty of stuff in the past from the bio, but they were far less notable, non-valuable affairs. Try to rephrase it or eventually it will be put back. Imperatore (talk) 02:51, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, about touring, I just removed dates which I think that doesn't have all that notability, only stating whichever came first would be enough. However, I'll see what exactly they'll bring back, I'm really open to another points of view, as you and most of people here are. Anyway, if you wanna try help me and make this article see some kind of a bright light that would be realy good. :)  Sparks   Fly  03:17, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Jive Records discography
Hello Imperatore. Regarding this tag you placed: I was not able to find a deletion discussion that resulted in a deletion. Was there one that you found? Thanks, Paul Erik  (talk) (contribs) 23:41, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Re: UMG Labels
Hi. I don't think what Rcool35 or as you might call him Anon IP is saying is true for the following reasons.


 * 1) The Game was signed to Geffen which is essentially a sister record label to Interscope and part of the same company as Interscope. I don't see why The Game could of gotten distribution for his label under Geffen Records, especially since the reasoning "due to games return to the label" seems lacking especially since nobody gets distribution just by returning to the label, they have to work out a deal first.
 * 2) I did check for sources but all I found were sources that didn't entirely state that Black Wall Street had distribution with Interscope and the other source I could find was a YouTube video who's source it does not state.

And also, he does a bad sourcing job. Just look at Willy Northpole, the links he cites are the label page for his biography, I did find the artists' page and looked at the bio and nowhere does it say in the source that Ludacris locked him down for 6 albums or that he gave him creative freedom to do anything. He also cites an interview for the upcoming "album" WILLIAM but I couldn't find any mention of the album name nor even a mention that he's working on a new album.

I know he say he's trying to help and I do check the difference between edits to see if he IS helping but mainly, I think his edits are pure vandalism. I think I'm going to create a user-subpage detailing what he did or does on Wikipedia, this guy is pathetic. Taylor Karras (talk) 02:33, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Label situation
Hey Imperatore, I was just wondering if you have much knowledge about music labels. I've been editing Christina Milian for a while now but I'm still not sure how the labels work. I know she was signed to Def Jam Recordings, but her second and third albums were released through Island Records. I think that we should only list Def Jam, since she was actually signed to that label and not Island, even though they're now together and were always under the same branch. Thoughts?  Corn.u. co.pia  •  Disc.u s.sion   09:40, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Whoa, who knew labels could be so confusing?! lol. As I live in Australia, I really have no idea about those things. That site you linked to is also great, thanks for sharing! I understand her situation a lot better now, but I still have some queries. Based on the back cover of her debut album, it does indeed appear that she was signed to Def Soul. But the thing is the album was never released in the US, and American sites Allmusic and Billboard lists her label as Def Jam. Also, Def Soul was merged back into Def Jam the next year. I have changed the label on the page Christina Milian (album) to "Def Jam", per those sites. What led me to believe that she's signed to Def Jam is most interviews she refers to Def Jam. Island is hardly ever mentioned, and only mentioned as "Island Def Jam". When she was dropped, most articles talked about Def Jam dropping her. I guess on her main article, I will only list Island Records, or should I just list The Island Def Jam Music Group? Well thanks for the help, very appreciated.  Corn.u. co.pia  •  Disc.u s.sion   05:38, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmm, okay so in summary: Christina Milian (album) should have "Def Soul" in the infobox, and Inc Records? It's About Time and So Amazin have Island Records and should stay that way. In the artist's actual infobox, I should just listed Island Def Jam? And when I ever talk about her label in prose, I should write Island Def Jam? I'm still trying to get my head around all the information lol.  Corn.u. co.pia  •  Disc.u s.sion   06:25, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I changed that album article back to those two labels. Phew, all done. I'll go through all the article later and change the prose. Thanks for all the info, very intriguing. Speaking of labels, are you familiar with The-Dream's Radio Killa Records? Do you think it's notable enough to have its own article? I don't think it has many artist signed to it, possible only The-Dream, Milian and Electrik Red.  Corn.u. co.pia  •  Disc.u s.sion   06:58, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
 * What? Polydor too? She has been on so many labels, it's crazy! lol  Corn.u. co.pia  •  Disc.u s.sion   07:00, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, Christina escaped from MySpace lol. She's no longer with them, just Radio Killa and Interscope. And I don't believe that Radio Killa has the rights to her MySpace material, because one song from MySpace was bought by another artist and Milian had no say in the matter.  Corn.u. co.pia  •  Disc.u s.sion  
 * Well, Milian wrote the song "Diamonds" while under MySpace and recorded it. Then Teairra Mari listened to it, liked it, and bought it. Milian was supposedly unhappy with that and could do nothing to stop Mari from taking the song. Also, reliable sources are probably reporting that it's a 3-way thing, but I personally know it's not true. Unfortunately, I can't find any reliable sources that prove that she's only with Interscope and Radio Killa, because it hasn't really been announced yet. So I've just left that info kinda ambiguous until it's confirmed in the future. I don't think there's enough information to create a page for Radio Killa Records yet, but where could I create a section for it? Maybe under Def Jam? I think Radio Killa operates under it or somethings like that.  Corn.u. co.pia  •  Disc.u s.sion   07:39, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the "Diamonds" drama was quite funny. Actually, there's even more to the story! Well, since the song features Kanye West, I guess her team thought it would be a good investment. So they bought it and Teairra wanted to release it as a single. However, when she approached Kanye West to appear in the video, he demanded like $200,000! LOL. Then, Teairra accused Milian of telling her husband, The-Dream, to tell Kanye West to raise the price, since the Dream and Kanye are friends. So yeah the whole thing was a mess and quite amusing. Teairra got it in the end though! Anyway, I'm sure that Milian left MySpace, since her team told a few bloggers that she was unhappy with their promotion of her single and just fled. Oh, I just remembered, Milian signed an "open" deal or something which meant either party could back away from the deal whenever they wanted. I have to go now, but I'll be sure to reply ASAP.  Corn.u. co.pia  •  Disc.u s.sion   08:02, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Haha, MySpace was definitely a bad move! But in her defense, I know that when Island Def Jam dropped her, the label head LA Reid starting spreading nasty rumours about her. Like really bad ones. So, at the time, no one wanted to go near her, apparently. Anyway, so when she signed to Radio Killa, The-Dream and herself had a listening party of the album for Interscope and Jimmy Iovine, Iovine loved it, and made a deal with her. The-Dream is actually the Executive Vice President of Island Def Jam Records, but I guess they chose to go with Interscope because of her previous situation. I started work on a page for Radio Killa on here: User:Cornucopia/Sandbox. I think if I write a paragraph or so for each artist, writing about the albums, then I will have enough info to justify the article. However, I still can't find any information about the label itself, like when it was founded, where it's located etc. The official site is of no help either.  Corn.u. co.pia  •  Disc.u s.sion   13:44, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Lol yeah I'm not a fan of Reid at all. Well you're right, I shouldn't write too much on the artists, so I'll try to do a quick summary on each instead. The whole thing with Def Jam is fine now, I just guess a lot of people were confused with the situation. Do you have any idea where I could get ANY further info on the label? There seems to be nothing out there, not even a simple press release from Def Jam.  Corn.u. co.pia  •  Disc.u s.sion   15:20, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for trying; I guess no one really cares when a new label is established? I've got a little content now, which I will publish soon. Oh, and did you know Milian wrote Bieber's "Baby"?  Corn.u. co.pia  •  Disc.u s.sion   14:11, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for doing that; it had been on the back of my mind, but I never got around to doing it. It's good that the refs support the article now, I guess I may have just been ignoring the "Island" part subconsciously? lol. I think the new album will be released at the end of the year, since she's going back into the studio to record more songs after several leaks. I think she's really lucky, marrying The-Dream, because now she'll have some of the best material in the industry! ;)  Corn.u. co.pia  •  Disc.u s.sion   13:31, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Not too sure what's listed on her albums here, to be honest I don't think I've ever even seen her albums in record stores here! Well, some of her tracks have already leaked. I would say the best ones so far are "Elope" (featuring The-Dream), the snippet of "Zipper", and possibly "Chameleon", which although in its demo form with practically no production is still pretty good. What/who would you say your favourite genres/artists are?  Corn.u. co.pia  •  Disc.u s.sion   08:51, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

I finally created it. Not much so far, but I guess there's enough to save it from a deletion nom.  Corn.u. co.pia  •  Disc.u s.sion   08:48, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
 * DYK is a good idea, but I can't think of an interesting fact. Any ideas? The new edits clear up a lot, so I think it's great that you made them.  Corn.u. co.pia  •  Disc.u s.sion   10:59, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Hello
Hey how are you? Now I can't find you online, where are you lol? GreekStar12 (talk) 20:05, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

categories
Just so you know I have re-added 2 of the categories you took off on Rouvas for obvious reasons, like the businessperson category since he is a director/financier/owner of multiple assets incl. the salon, restaurant, nightclub, film company, and fashion line, not to mention other marketing over the years. Also put back the english-language singers as he has had multiple recordings over a long period of time. obv if paparizou deserves to have it on her page he does lol (even stephen agreed after i made these arguments a long time ago when the issue came up). hope to talk to you soon. GreekStar12 (talk) 15:29, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

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Parafora
Hey you're alive! How are you? Thanks for the info I didn't know that. I don't have the retail version yet. I'm back here now, in case you didn't know, so I have to wait for my copy :( I was thinking about the writer/producer thing too and I thought maybe putting some kind of notes at the bottom but I didn't know all of the tracks had producers, how international lol. I also though about maybe adding another column, since sever do have lyrics, music credits. I guess another possibility is within the column we could add lyrics: in front of the names, I think I've seen that b4. I guett the financial value of it, but I hate that its all about publishing instead of songwriters! How corrupted the Western system is. This is why Britney and Beyonce stans think they are talented and write their own music lmao. I guess in entertainment paying for the credit and doing it yourself is interchangeable.

I don't doubt he will get a quick cert either, it already has so many hits prior to the release and he only needs 6,000 lol. So if it's anything like the average Rouvas album even w no further promo it should go 4x plat lol (50k). I really like the album a lot, but the thing that made me most proud of it was not putting it the newspaper. I was worried about that for so long; I didn't think he would and knew he had the ability not to especially as he probs has more control due to the masters thing, but there was always that 1% doubt. I don't care if he eventually releases it like that (although I hope not), at least I can breath again. My Rouvas respect would have gone done by like 50 points. Just the fact that he didn't would have made up for even if the album was shit lol. On iTunes SRM still is named for the first three singles so it's def on the album at least. I don't think he would ever give that up as it's more a creative freedom thing, and its not just the music, its on everything he puts his name on. Like the SR brand (the SR bow with the signature logo) was created in 2005, but S'eho Erotefthi wasn't the producer. On IAE it was on the album and on Irthes it was also Sakis as head of production. BTW I don't blame the IPs since actual media and the artists report these random certs, even though a cert has to be announced or given by IFPI to be official, regardless of sales. They are just so used to replacing sales figures with certs. Anyway, go online if you can!GreekStar12 (talk) 22:18, 15 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Hey can you go online?GreekStar12 (talk) 21:10, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Labels
Hey. Make sure you change back all of the label things you switched as there was no consensus to change them. We had decided a few months ago that the slash was better because the comma implied that there were two separate labels, when in reality there is only one. Grk1011 (talk) 15:48, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I wish you had responded here before starting to fix them again so I could remind you of this, but words like "records", "music", etc also need to be removed per the infobox guidelines. It should be Sony Greece/Columbia for example. Grk1011 (talk) 16:27, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Labels for Hold It Against Me
Hi Imperatore, I tried to change the labels according to frontline operation ones at the above article, but it was reverted by others stating my changes were not WP:V and iTunes was a reliable source to claim Jive was releasing the song worldwide. Could you please take a look? and comment if necessary? --  Lil_ ℧ niquℇ № 1  [talk]  19:07, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

I undid your edit before cause you didn't provide a source and there still isn't one supporting your view. Also, how is the article for Sony Music Greece coming? :p Grk1011 (talk) 19:21, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

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Please take a look here and please put your name if you are interested. Jivesh   &bull;  Talk2Me  19:14, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

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Edit warring on Despina Vandi
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RE: Love? Jlo
Hi Impertore, Ok here's the issue... when Lopez left Epic Records it was widely reported that she had signed to Def Jam Records. Then when she lauched her official website it said Island Records at the bottom. The CD single for On the Floor says Island Def Jam Music Group on the back. Amazon says Island Records and barnesandnobel says Island. However iTunes just says copyright of The Island Def Jam Music Group, it was for these reasons that i concluded that listing both Island and Def Jam was the most sensible option as it is not universally clear which label she is signed to as Island Def Jam Music Group itself is not a label but the parent distribution company for Def Jam Records and Island Records. I was led to believe from a Yahoo! article at the time of her new record deal that Def Jam records would be producing the album, Island records would be marketing the album... however the source has since gone dead and now there is more ambiguity. I'm glad you brought this up though... i was so confused! &mdash;  Lil_ ℧ niquℇ № 1  [talk]  15:28, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi, It was me who added Nuyorican Productions to the infobox because the album credits and back of the album state: 2011 © Nuyorican, Island, under liscense to The Island Def Jam Music Group. &mdash;  Lil_ ℧ niquℇ № 1  [talk]  23:52, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Isn't that Original research? To my knowledge six of the album's fourteen songs were produced under Sony. But just to make sure I've understood this correctly... this is the quote (direct) from the back of the album:
 * ©P 2011 The Island Def Jam Music Group, 825 Eighth Avenue, New York, New York 10019. Distributed by Universal Music Distribution . All rights reserved
 * This is immediately followed by the logos for Island Records and Nuyorican Productions. This is very much the same as The Element of Freedom, whereby both MBK Entertainment and J Records are listed. &mdash;  Lil_ ℧ niquℇ № 1  [talk]  01:33, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
 * the tone of your last response appeared as if you were unhappy that I question your knowledge. Rather the contrary, I ask your opinion and judgement as you better understand this situation and the legalities of such agreements better than I, and hence I wanted to check that the information being added to the article is correct. I will check the creditials of Nuyorican as a label/imprint other than just a production company. But yes it appears you are right... &mdash;  Lil_ ℧ niquℇ № 1  [talk]  02:05, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
 * equally I respect your knowledge. &mdash;  Lil_ ℧ niquℇ № 1  [talk]  02:07, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

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Please see Talk:Despina Vandi for further details. CT Cooper · &#32;talk 11:58, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Les Ailes Xpress
According to the French Wikipedia, I&F was renamed GLAM in 2010 (it doesn't specify if it was in early 2010 though). The French Wikpedia also claims that GLAM was renamed Les Ailes Xpress in 2011, but I personally saw the "Les Ailes Express" banner as early as December 2010.

I suggest that we just remove the dates altogether from this sub-section of the article. In other words, we simply mention about the transitions from I&F to GLAM and from GLAM to Les Ailes Xpress, but we disregard the years.Farine (talk) 18:56, 25 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah I heard about Fairweather and their problem with Target Corporation that has been going on for over a decade now. I agree with you that it wouldn't be of any interest for readers to know that GLAM has been around for less than a year. That's why I'm all for that we remove the years in this section of the article. Regards Farine (talk) 04:21, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

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Album categories
You lost me I agree that any album released by a subsidiary or sub-label Sony Music Entertainment should be placed in the more specific category, but I have never used AWB to put anything in Category:Sony Music Entertainment albums and if I know a subcat, I'll use it. As to your claim that this category "would be forever terminally incomplete due to the tens of thousands of prospective albums from around the world and throughout the century that could be placed in there, defeating the purpose of categorizing in the first place" you are mistaken--categories aren't meant to be exhaustive lists, but schemes for organizing articles on Wikipedia. Since there are hundreds of thousands of albums which are not notable enough to warrant an article, then this is not problematic. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:04, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
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