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Rania Khalek
It might be best if we resume our discussion on the Rania Khalek article as administrators have found it irritating when users divert from the pages main purpose. Philip Cross (talk) 14:20, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
 * another user has expressed a different concern of a different article, which means this is a widespread complaint now so the admins will have to have a look at it. I know what you're doing, it is very obvious to me and I don't like it. People using Wikipedia for their views is not right.  IWI  ( chat ) 14:37, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I draw on cited reliable sources, rather than my opinions, first. Philip Cross (talk) 14:49, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Your opinion shouldn't come into this at all.  IWI  ( chat ) 14:57, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
 * You have completely derailed my question at ANI. Successful work at Wikipedia requires knowing when to keep quiet. Piling on with redundant thoughts means my question can be successfully disregarded. Johnuniq (talk) 09:00, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Not quite sure what you’re referring to.  IWI  ( chat ) 09:08, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I have made one comment at ANI in the last 24 hours and you should be able to find it. You responded immediately after in a way that masks my question. Your response had nothing substantive. Johnuniq (talk) 09:33, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I was responding to a different editor, but I get your point.  IWI  ( chat ) 09:34, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
 * User:IWI, you can make your own decisions as to how to reply to other editors. However, in my opinion, comments on talk and discussion pages within a section should be in chronological order. Not doing so means users are likely to respond in parenthesis, as I had to do yesterday, to ensure the other user realises a response has been made. Philip Cross (talk) 11:51, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

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New York City
Hi. You wrote "this topic has been discussed extensively and settled." I did look for that discussion but can't find it. Could you let me know where you think it might be. As to WP:COMMONNAME, yes it does refer to titles, but I was referring to all 3 links read together. The title of the article is New York City (not City of New York) per COMMONNAME, and the other two links show that almost all articles start with the article title (the "common name") in bold, before also showing variations. Finally, not sure why you think "City of New York" is the official name (it's not, or at least not more official than New York or New York City, or NYC for that matter), or why, even if it were the official name, it would come before the common name. Station1 (talk) 08:42, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
 * You are wrong; the official name of is the "City of New York". You should start a discussion so consensus can be reached. There was a discussion relating to names of the city a number of months ago somewhere in the archives. This format was in the interest of giving equal weight between "New York" and "New York City".  IWI  ( chat ) 08:48, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
 * The article has that title because wit is a natural disambig and a common name.  IWI  ( chat ) 08:51, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Exactly my point. And that's what usually comes first in the first sentence of any article, so why not here? Or if you're saying "New York" should come first because that would be the title if not for natural disambiguation, I have no objection to that. I just don't understand why you want the least common name first. Station1 (talk) 09:02, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Is this the discussion you were referring to?: Talk:New_York_City/Archive_18. That was about the infobox, but has nothing to do with the first sentence, as far as I can see. Station1 (talk) 09:06, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Possibly. Regardless, per BRD you should discuss the change.  IWI  ( chat ) 09:08, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Respectfully, no. Per BRD, you made the bold edit, I reverted, so you should start a discussion if you wish. Especially if you can't find the discussion that you claim shows consensus supports your view. Station1 (talk) 09:12, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

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 * It is not a hoax it is a local nickname.  IWI  ( chat ) 07:44, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah I figured that one out because of the discussion page, and I removed the speedy deletion template ASAP. I apologize for the speedy deletion nomination. OcelotCreeper (talk) 15:06, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
 * That’s ok; mistakes happen.  IWI  ( chat ) 17:27, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

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"English is not a nationality"
I'm not sure how you can claim that is the case. Would you say Robbie Burns or Nicola Sturgeon should be described as "British" or "Scottish"? Dylan Thomas: Welsh or British? These people have their nationality described clearly on their articles, so I'm not sure of your rationale in saying McCartney isn't English, or trying to say that "English is not a nationality" (And that's palpably false. Do some research before you make such claims again please - start with English people and English national identity. Both articles have links to academic sources to verify things). - SchroCat (talk) 21:23, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
 * You cannot be an English citizen or an English national legally. What are you talking about?  IWI  ( chat ) 00:59, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
 * They are entirely different concepts from nationality. You've avoided the questions above entirely. How would you describe those people in their articles? - SchroCat (talk) 06:10, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
 * In the nationality parameter, British. There is no such thing as an English or Scottish national. You can’t be an English National legally.  IWI  ( chat ) 14:48, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
 * So, so wrong. "Nationality" is not just a legal concept, which is the way you are trying to force the definition. It is a much broader concept, and you do the encyclopaedia a disservice in trying to force the square definition into the round concept. What you are describing is the concept of citizenship, not nationality. The infobox person template has fields for both citizenship and nationality, to show that the two are very different. Obviously English, Scottish or Welsh would be the wrong entry in citizenship, but they are entirely correct in the nationality field. - SchroCat (talk) 15:28, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Since there is no consensus on how to meet this issue in relation to the U.K. I’ll put it this way. Do we have a source for whether McCartney prefers English over British as his national identity? If not then why would you consider changing English to British as "wrong"?  IWI  ( chat ) 16:10, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
 * There is a loose consensus, which is why there is a "nationality" field in addition to the citizenship one, and why there are so many articles that use English, Scottish and Welsh. As to why changing is "wrong", I'll flip the question round to you and ask why it is "right". If it ain't broke, there's no need for you to change it. - SchroCat (talk) 16:14, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

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Talk:Sydney
Please stop commenting about other editors at any article talk page, and particularly not at Talk:Sydney. Administrators, including myself, have become exasperated following the enormous discussions at WP:ANI on the topic. In normal times, comments such as yours might be overlooked, but the ANI discussions mean that normal times no longer apply. I will block you if you continue. You have not said anything particularly bad, but think about the effect on the discussion at Talk:Sydney. If someone makes a mild observation with negative thoughts, how are others supposed to respond? Naturally the situation can only spiral downwards. Everyone must focus on content and not contributors at article talk pages. Johnuniq (talk) 06:59, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Absurd.  IWI  ( chat ) 10:29, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I don’t know anything about such discussions but I will obviously refrain.  IWI  ( chat ) 10:34, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Johnuniq (talk) 11:12, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I have read the ANI discussion you were referring to and I now see how this may have looked. In light of that discussion, which I was not previously aware of, my comment would not be appropriate, and so I express my apologies to .  IWI  ( chat ) 11:23, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Apology accepted. As I said at Talk:Sydney, nothing that you said worried me regardless of whether or not it was appropriate. Let's put this behind us. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 12:26, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

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1994 Cobo Arena attack
There's a short reference to Hamilton & Benet 1999 in there. Would you mind adding the full reference? It's missing. &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 22:57, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what you mean; I believe the reference is complete.  IWI  ( chat ) 23:46, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Also I would love your feedback and/or suggestions for how the article could be made better.  IWI  ( chat ) 23:49, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't have any specific feedback for that article, since I don't know the subject. But reference 51 does not have a full citation to go with it. It just says "Hamilton & Benet 1999, pp. 558, 585". Well, what is Hamilton & Benet 1999? Is it a book? What book is it? It is a journal article? If so which? &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 00:10, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I didn't retrieve this reference myself but from what I can tell, it must refer to a 1999 book entitled Landing It: My Life on and Off the Ice by Scott Hamilton and Lorenzo Benet.  IWI  ( chat ) 01:17, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
 * The book doesn't have 580 pages, but it does talk about the subject and its the only book written by Hamilton & Benet. Must be it.  IWI  ( chat ) 01:23, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

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List of My BFF episodes
Why was this article I made considered an orphan? Please enlighten me, please? Same with the other two articles, (Yagit and Dading episodes) Thank you! Remy Ferrer (talk) 00:39, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
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Plagiarized by the Daily Mirror ffs!
Hello :) hope you don't mind me popping in, but I've had an odd experience and I'm not sure what to do (if anything). I was reading this Daily Mirror article about Banaz, note it's dated 20:30, 29 Sep 2020; and I couldn't help but notice that great swathes of it are word for word what I've written in her article, the sections about her funeral and memorial are practically identical - they've even missed out the same bits I did when I was quoting someone. I put the funeral section in on 18 Sept and I added the info about her memorial on 26 Sept. I added info about her family on 16 Sept - including details about Bekhal, Payman and their father - these details appear in the article also practically word for word! I wouldn't want anyone to think I'd copied the info - because I haven't. Help.  --DSQ  (talk) 20:23, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes well since we are published under a free licence they can do that, although really they should attribute their source according to the licence our contribs are published under. If they don't attribute you could probably make a complaint to them to either attribute or take it down. That really is poor journalism. The dates prove that you originally created the content. --IWI (talk) 21:12, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
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 * Morning! Face-smile.svg Thank you for your response and advice. I really don't think I can be bothered tangling up with them, to be honest. My instant and overriding concern was that anyone would think that I'd copied the wording from their article. I know, with a bit of digging in the edit history, I can demonstrate that isn't the case - and I realise there are only so many ways you can reword a fact, but the déjà vu feeling I got just threw me a little bit. Lazy journalism. Anyway, I'm about to add something else to the article, let's see if that appears in the next edition. Smile_eye.png  --DSQ  (talk) 07:48, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

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