User talk:Imrah6

July 2015
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Someone called freerangefrog edited my addition to the box hockey page, removing all of my edit calling it 'not constructive'

July 2015[edit] Information icon Welcome to Wikipedia. At least one of your recent edits, such as the edit you made to Box hockey, did not appear to be constructive and has been reverted or removed. Although everyone is welcome to contribute to Wikipedia, please take some time to familiarise yourself with our policies and guidelines. You can find information about these at the welcome page which also provides further information about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. If you only meant to make some test edits, please use the sandbox for that. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you may leave a message on my talk page. Thank you. §FreeRangeFrogcroak 03:34, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Here is the content of my edit, how is this not constructive - given that H-Box Hockey is the only other commercial manufacturer of a box hockey product ?

In the early 1990s an elite level player and coach, Roger Frew, of British Columbia, Canada, built a box hockey game for the kids in his South Delta neighborhood. Over the course of the next 10 years he invested a significant amount of money in developing what today is possibly the most professional box hockey product on the market, the H-Box. H-Box is now manufactured in the United States by International Sports Corporation and widely used by 7 NHL hockey teams, hockey schools like and TNT Hockey Camps , schools and private individuals in Canada, the United States and Switzerland.

The H-Box is manufactured using a structural foam molding process that ensures rigidity and strength. The rounded corners of the H-Box make it a much faster game than the traditional square cornered wooden boxes made at home and by some manufacturers.

The H-Box box hockey product has the added advantage for ice hockey players of providing them an opportunity to practice keeping the right amount of weight on their stick and getting used to the weight of a regulation ice hockey puck.

Imrah6 (talk) 04:29, 30 July 2015 (UTC)


 * I've reverted all your changes to this article because you seem to be attempting to advertise a company you are very obviously associated with. I don't have a problem with some of the changes you made, or the images you uploaded, but there's too much "by so and so company (2015)" and too many references to a website that sells these toys. I'm heading off to sleep but I will look at this more closely tomorrow. In the meantime I will ask you to disclose your conflict of interest if any, and refrain from changing the article further. § FreeRangeFrog croak 06:19, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Well, OK, I understand that. Yes, I am closely associated with the company, I run it and I have no problem making that disclosure. I am not trying to 'advertise' the company, I am just trying to make the entry complete as there are only two companies that currently manufacture box hockey products and ours is one of them. I would have thought it germane to the history of box hockey to have both manufacturers identified. I actually also tried to upload an image of the product made by Box Hockey International but could not find the images I own and did not want to simply copy an image from box-hockey.com in case I picked the wrong one and offended Mr. Brody. I tried to copy the entry regarding Box Hockey International who provided references to groups that use his product - presumably as examples. Some of our examples are the same, some are different (like we have a number of pubs that use our product - for example Fergs Live across from Tampa Bay Lightning Arena - which I did not write about because I did not think it added value to the article).

I could have had a third person make the entry but I do not wish to be deceitful so I made the post myself. I could ask a third party to make the edit if you would prefer, but that doesn't seem honest to me and I would prefer just to edit the content up my entry so that you are satisfied.

I tried to identify notable differences between the product our company manufactures and home built versions because, again, it changes the game somewhat and I would have thought it pertinent to the discussion.

Anyway, you let me know how you would prefer me to proceed - or not, and I'll accept your editorial discretion. That said, if you look me up on my personal web site - www.rheller.net - you will find that I am engaged in a number of companies and have other contributions I could make, but not if they are going to be removed all the time because I am trying to 'promote' what I am doing / who I am ?

Truly, I am just trying to add content I feel is pertinent to the history of box hockey. If the company I run is not relevant, OK, I am not going to fight about it.

Thanks
 * Sorry I did not reply earlier. Yes, we'd rather you don't change that article at all, because it can be seen as an advertisement, and the tone of your edits so far reflect that. It's better to let someone else interested in the subject to eventually add that information if it is relevant. § FreeRangeFrog croak 19:36, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I am leaving the help template above unchanged so someone else can look at this. You may also ask for help here. Ultimately, the overriding concern here is using Wikipedia for self-promotion. § FreeRangeFrog croak 19:38, 30 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia considers it best practice for editors with a strong conflict of interests - such as you writing about your own company - to disclose that conflict and to propose specific changes at an article's talk page (here, Talk:Box hockey and leave it to uninvolved editors to decide whether those changes should be implemented. You can use the to raise awareness of such a request.
 * To be blunt, if the only topics you are interested in writing about are the ones you have a financial interest in, that's very likely to become an issue. Surely you can contribute to the encyclopedia in ways that aren't related to yourself or your professional life, too? Huon (talk) 19:41, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Yes, of course I can contribute to articles that are not related to my professional life, but it would make sense to contribute in areas in which I am the most experienced, not something I know little about, would it not ?

Clearly, despite pretty much copying the entry on Box Hockey International - with far fewer self-promoting entries, links and references than that company has - to be told I am self promoting is somewhat disingenuous and hypocritical. If Wikipedia cares more about where the information comes from than having complete information it isn't really all that much use, is it ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.197.118.18 (talk) 19:48, 30 July 2015 (UTC)