User talk:Imyra

Taiguara
Thank you for starting the article about Taiguara. I removed some text from the article which appeared to have been taken from Allmusic.com (Wikipedia does not accept copyrighted text), and I added some material and a link to the corresponding article on the Portuguese Wikipedia. The article needs a discography, a list of albums showing the year, the album and the name of the record company that released it. You should also discuss his political beliefs if they are relevant to his music and censorship. This should also be added to the Portuguese article at pt:Taiguara. As well, you may want to add information about Taiguara to the "year in music" articles such as 1995 in music and pt:1995 na música --Eastmain 15:02, 19 February 2007 (UTC)


 * About Taiguara; when the article was flagged there were no outside sources which asserted notability. I see that you (or someone else) has put some in. However, this is definitely a conflict of interest, and I would urge you to abstain from editing the article for a bit. Thanks, --Hojimachongtalk con 17:16, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Taiguara

 * Thank you both for your comments, however, I'm a bit confused with the responses. Eastmain suggested I improve the article by adding quite a bit more information (which I was planning to do in the coming days), yet Hojimachong, suggests I do the exact opposite. I'm not sure I understand the issue of "conflict of interest", since I am obviously not writing an article about myself or any musician/band whose work I "promote" or manage on a professional level. I just figured it would be interesting for my father to have an entry in Wikipedia's English page as well (I didn’t create the page in Portuguese myself), since he was a renowned singer/composer/arranger in Brazil at the time of the birth of musical style that will be forever known". His records sell here is the US and many other countries (Amazon and the likes), thus, from time to time, fans of his work will ask me to direct them to a website where they can find more specific info about his career. As you guys found, so far all that's available is a fairly short description on the "All music guide", and a few other less known sites. And quite a bit of this is incorrect, such as the name of the person he credit some songs to in order to avoid vetoing – Allmusic lists it as “Ge Chalar da Silva”, when her name is “Gheisa Chalar da Silva (trust me, I know - that is my mother).

We plan on changing the fact that the info out there (in English) is so scarce, but have not had the time to properly put a decent website together just yet. So, my point is... I believe that having a more extensive entry here provides a valuable service to the many fans who seek further information about him, but do not have enough of a handle on the Portuguese language to understand the information that can be found on Brazilian sites. It further makes sense, that I should be allowed to expand on these entries, as there is no better source for accurate details on the trajectory of an artist as the ones coming from the persons who are personally familiar with his history. This is especially true because, in hopes of concealing Taiguara’s work/messages as they struggled over political disagreements, the militaries manipulated the media to publish untrue accounts of his whereabouts, mental health and even his death (in the 70’s!), when he was very well alive and breathing… Because of this, there still is to this day, quite a bit of confusion as to what really happened during the years that he was not performing in Brazil. And these weren’t merely “rumors”, but articles and news that were published on (supposedly) well respected media sources. In this type of situation, “verifiable”, takes on a whole new meaning, doesn’t it?! But that another discussion all on it’s own that I don’t wish (or have the time to! visit right now.

If Hojimachong still believes that I should refrain from contributing, I will comply. Yet if others feel that my contributions would enrich the article, rather than “tarnishing it”, I’ll consider continuing. Please let me know you thoughts on this. I may not be very proficient with Wikipedia’s customs and (especially) the formats yet, but please understand that the work I’m doing is much more time consuming than editing just this one site. Parallel projects have kept me very busy and I apologize if my constant editing here, in attempts to master how the page should really look like, is bothersome to some of you who know the system quite well.

If I may comment on another question that was raised: Notability is definitely not an issue in this case. Taiguara’s songs were quite notable radio hits from 68 to about 73, two of them held the #1 spot in the charts for their subsequent years, while some others (of his songs) made the top 10 and 50. He also won first place in some of the historic festivals that gave birth to what the world now knows as “MPB”. He has been included in albums called things such as “The great pianists of Brazil” (I noticed someone removed the pianist category, but I believe it should remain) and has one album titled “The winner of Festivals”. Although he had almost 100 songs that were never released due to censorship, and suffered absurd amounts of boycotting, he still achieved a number of hits to put many other so called “celebs” to shame.

The one consensus we seem to have reached here is the fact that the article should remain, yes? So, the lingering question for me is, how do we go about removing the “proposed for deletion” tag?

Thank you and sorry for the long text! ImyraImyra 12:42, 20 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Hey Imyra. I just wanted to clarify what I had said. Wikipedia is supposed to be neutral (see WP:NPOV), and present both sides of the story. Also, there can be no original research (see WP:NOR), and there are probably things about your father that you know full well, but are not published in works which you can cite (see WP:CITE). That's why this is a conflict of interest; It will understandably be hard for you to write about your father in a neutral tone. However, if you feel you can accomplish this, you should be bold, since anything you write in an opinionated tone can be fixed by other editors. Best of luck in building the article! --Hojimachongtalk con 22:43, 20 February 2007 (UTC)