User talk:In fact/Archive 3

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 * *** in fact ***   ( contact )  06:33, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

ISIRI etc.
Hi In fact,

I notice that most of your articles, including the latest ISIRI series have in-line cites to pages in Iranian. Can you find English sources, or at least translations, please? As the articles stand the references are of little use to readers on English Wikipedia. Some articles have only one (Iranian language) web-linked source, that make the articles in effect without in-line verification. Thanks, Acabashi (talk) 11:07, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi, The articles I am just creating are the National Standards of Iran. They have been published by ISIRI, and are now in use in Iran. ISIRI in Iran is the same as EEC in europe or ISO in USA. Regards, *** in fact  ***   ( contact )  11:14, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't dispute that the Iranian standards organisation is notable, only that individual standards issued by the organisation relating to car door handles and the like are not important enough to each deserve their own article, unless there are numerous independent secondary references to show notability. . .Mean as custard (talk) 11:29, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, thank you . Good point ! I have checked it. There are many articles of "ISO ****" and "****EEC". That's why I started to create the ISIRI ones, too. However I respect other editors' ideas as well. *** in fact  ***   ( contact )  11:36, 19 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Many thanks for getting back. That is not the issue I raised. I have not bought up the notability problem. For respect and consideration for English readers, (this is English Wikipedia,) in-line references and external links should be read in English. If these cites were to be removed from your articles through being of little to no value for readers in English, then Mean as custard has a stronger point. The way to resolve the issue of suspect verifiabilty is to apply English language references, perhaps if only in translation. However, by saying this, I am not arguing against editors who might want to delete. Acabashi (talk) 11:41, 19 February 2011 (UTC)


 * The fact is that "ISIRIs" are based on "EECs" or "ISOs", Which have already been mentioned in the articles. They are mostly the translation of them into Persian, and of course changing them a little so that they could fit and be used in Iran. I hope it was helpful. *** in fact  ***   ( contact )  11:47, 19 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Some examples: ISO 4217, ISO 3166-2, ISO 3166-1, 2002/735/EC, Directive 67/548/EEC and etc. *** in fact  ***   ( contact )  11:57, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

Talkback

 * *** in fact ***   ( contact )  07:28, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

I've left some more points

 * Cheers.  Wifione    .......  Leave a message  09:18, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

List of ISIRI standards
List of ISIRI standards is impressive. I'm still experimenting (trying to get list to left-align), but what do you think of this: (click on show)

--UnicornTapestry (talk) 03:10, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you. You always have nice ideas. Feel free to edit it in any way to improve it.(as you are a key member of this project) Once again I should thank you for all your help. *** in fact  ***   ( contact )  03:25, 2 March 2011 (UTC)


 * You're welcome. I think I'll try it out of the main page, even though I haven't figured out how to left align it.
 * --UnicornTapestry (talk) 03:29, 2 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Hmm. We could align the regulation numbers with a table, though that's a lot of work.
 * --UnicornTapestry (talk) 03:33, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, a lot of work. Specially creating all the standard articles of all fields. (which is never going to end) Oh my GOD... *** in fact  ***   ( contact )  03:41, 2 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I know! You've bit off a huge task! --UnicornTapestry (talk) 02:12, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Talk Back
Sorry Brother I just came home from a few days of crazy ER work. I am sorry I wasnt able to respond earlier. Glad the conflict resolved. Dr. Persi (talk) 19:54, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

On correct transliteration
I do hope that you are the person calling himself "Mazdakabadi" (I am astonished that you have made reaching you so difficult and confusing --- what are these different names for? Your texts at the points of redirecting are also extremely confusing!). Any way, I have noticed that you have now changed "Al-Afghani" into "Asadabadi". I am one of the people who has repeatedly fought to change Al-Afghani into Asadabadi, but without success, and I expect that you will also encounter problems before long. I am however not here to tell you this, but to tell you that your transliteration into "Sayyid Jamal-al-din Asadabadi" is just wrong on several fronts. I have already discussed the issue here. Briefly, the name MUST become "Sayyed Jamal ad-Din Asadabadi" (please note the hyphenation). "al-din" is absolutely incorrect, because "D" in "Din" is a Shamsi letter (if you are Iranian, then you must have had for several years Arabic in your school curriculum!). Putting hyphenation between "Jamal" and "al" is also incorrect, aside from being non-standard; as I believe you must know (if you are Iranian), the Arabic article "al" (and here "ad" because of the "D" in "Din") is part of (or refers to) "Din", not of "Jamal"! In short, please go back and change "Jamal-al-din Asadabadi" into what it must be, namely "Jamal ad-Din Asadabadi". As for "Sayyid", personally I prefer "Sayyed" above "Sayyid" because "Asadabadi" was Iranian and in Farsi we pronounce "Sayyed" as "Sayyed", and not as "Sayyid" (but I am not insisting on this). I am very sorry, but I feel deeply frustrated by the fact that you have undertaken to do something so far-reaching on an entry that is consulted by an international readership, without giving serious attention to some basic relevant details. Kind regards, --BF 01:18, 12 March 2011 (UTC).
 * Are you sure this message is for me ?! You must have made a mistake, since I have nothing to do with such issues !!! *** in fact  ***   ( contact )  03:08, 12 March 2011 (UTC)


 * My message is meant for this person, and, needless to say, following the "talk" of this person, I have have been led to here. Please have a look at the history here (in any case, you signature "*** in fact ***" is on the talk page at issue). As I have indicated in the may above message, the whole thing is highly confusing. I should much appreciate it if you would kindly bring the above message to the attention of the person concerned. Kind regards, --BF 03:28, 12 March 2011 (UTC).
 * I have now copied my first message on this page to the page that led me to here. Sorry for the trouble. Kind regards, --BF 03:31, 12 March 2011 (UTC).

Post Bank of Iran & other things
Regarding the Post Bank article, i went on the webpage and reverted my change. Your version was correct. In terms of Pars Oil Company, i think i responded too late and the tags have already been removed. Good Work! I enjoy the line of work you do, anmd will make my little additions here and there to improve them. Happy editing!

--Kasperone (talk)


 * Glad to hear that. *** in fact  ***   ( contact )  06:44, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Happy Nowruz!!!
Happy Nowruz bro :D! Dr. Persi (talk) 02:45, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

WikiProject Iran simplification
Can you see the Wikiproject Iran article. 

propose to simplify the A, B, C scaling system

Many users have known this issue already. I propose to simply it by over-riding all the control and limits set to assign B. If you agree or disagree, please write your comment on the talkpage there. Currently, it is very hard to assign a B rating to articles and many Iran related articles have a C although users have assigned it a B. Thanks --Khodabandeh14 (talk) 02:20, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you for informing me. I just added my comment. *** in fact  ***   ( contact )  05:33, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

JamesBWatson (talk) 14:41, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Sahab
Just a note to explain. On en:wp, it is always wrong for a page, say, "foo" to redirect to "foo (disambiguation)". You can find more information at WP:MALDAB.

The correct action depends on whether or not there is a primary topic - see WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. In this case, there is no primary topic, so the disambiguation page belongs at "foo", that is, Sahab in this case. (If there were a primary topic, then "foo (disambiguation)" is correctly placed, and instead the primary topic should be moved to "foo").

--NSH001 (talk) 12:42, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the clarification. I was just looking for this. However, I am now satisfied. Regards, In fact   ( contact )  06:11, 10 July 2011 (UTC)


 * No problem, I'm always pleased to help out. --NSH001 (talk) 06:29, 10 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Further thought: would you be able to write a short article on the town's football team? That would enable us to disambiguate the two remaining links to Sahab, namely Jordan League 1995–96 and Jordan League 2000. (By the way, there is no need to leave a talkback message on my page - I have this page on my watchlist.) --NSH001 (talk) 07:09, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The fact is, I am not interested in soccer. However, we could add the name of the club to the disambiguation page with a short description. and it'll appear with a red link, until the article is made in the future. How's that ?  In fact   ( contact )  08:09, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Well neither am I, but it gets so much coverage in all the media here that it's hard to avoid. If you know the full name of the club, I suggest setting up a redirect under that name to List of football clubs in Jordan, tagging it with R to list entry after the redirect but on the same line. You could then add it to the dab page. That will allow it to be easily disambiguated when necessary, and the redirect is there for any knowledgeable editor to expand into a full article at some time in the future. --NSH001 (talk) 15:20, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

File mover
Hey there&mdash;I'd just like to drop and express my sympathies on how your file mover request went. Asking for additional responsibilities can be a sticky business on the English Wikipedia, and the permissions page is unfortunately rather vague about what constitutes adequate experience. It's always embarrassing being judged in public, so I don't blame you for wanting to remove the request. I think you might have gotten a better response if you'd given a specific reason for requesting the right; for example, a list of images you'd like to fix the titles of, and what you'd change them to&mdash;this would also demonstrate that you have a good understanding of the image naming guidelines. A generic request is more likely to be seen as permission "trophy hunting", even when it's not.

Anyway, I just thought I'd offer my sympathies, and hope this hasn't put you off Wikipedia too much. A rejected permissions request really isn't the end of the world&mdash;some of our finest admins failed their first RfAs. Let me know if I can do anything further to help, Feezo (send a signal | watch the sky) 07:12, 13 July 2011 (UTC)


 * It's very nice to have a friend like you. and I want to thank you for your message in here. I know it's not the end of the world, as I just started to upload other files to wikipedia. But as you see, I have not made a mistake in choosing a correct name format and other stuff. (as far as I know) It's just I was upset of other users ( the non admin ones ) to judge me in that way. If they were admins telling me those words, I wouldn't be angry/sad. But receiving such words from a user who was just recently granted this right was very annoying. In fact   ( contact )  07:27, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah, I can understand how that&mdash; the initial comment was pretty harsh for a "non-administrator observation". There was actually a deletion discussion for that template, which reached, I believe, the correct decision (keep). Posts by administrators are often perceived differently from posts by non-admins, and your experience demonstrates the need to acknowledge this. Opinions about what adminship entails (beyond button pushing) vary widely; I'm not sure what the solution is. Feezo (send a signal | watch the sky) 08:18, 13 July 2011 (UTC)


 * On the topic of what sort of qualification, the kind of things I may look for are uploading 50 files or more, using fair use rationales correctly, working collaboratively with others, requesting files be moved, or already having filemover bit on commons, and using move on other pages. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 12:51, 15 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi In fact, thanks for your message. The standards for user rights are typically fairly loosely defined. I personally think this is quite a good thing, as I believe it is important in that area that we allow a high degree of administrative discretion. I agree somewhat with the things to look for that were pointed out by Graeme, especially that a good point is making requests for moves. You mentioned in your request that you believe the same standard should apply to granting filemover as moving an article (autoconfirmed). This was discussed when we implemented the new right, and it was decided not to do that, so community consensus is against you there I'm afraid (see here for the original proposal). - Kingpin13 (talk) 13:10, 15 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I would be (and am) much more lenient than Graeme. I read the original discussions to have verged on giving it automatically to all autoconfirmed users.  I treat it somewhat like rollback, if you can convince me that 1) you understand the policies (simply stating "I understand them" isn't enough) and 2) that you have some use for the right, and 3) that you don't have any significant or recent history of vandalism, disruptive moves, etc. I'd grant it.  It is and should be much harder to get on Commons and I got it just by saying I misnamed a file (though the fact that I had several hundred edits, more than a couple uploads, and an adminship on enwiki probably didn't hurt).  At this point, I'd probably want to see that you understand how to get along with other editors too, since most editors aren't admins and they have the right to participate in discussions; other users may have been a little harsh but you really do need a thick skin sometimes here.--Doug.(talk • contribs) 19:05, 15 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you all. In fact   ( contact )  05:08, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

File mover redux
In fact, I think you took things too personally on the File Mover request. I wouldn't have given you file mover and I didn't pay any attention to what most others had to say, it isn't an RfA, it's just a request for an admin to give it to you. That being said, if you really want the right, you need to become active in the file namespace. One thing you can do is keep an eye on (currently empty) and find better names for files that come up there. Another thing you can do is find files that need to be renamed and add them to. You can also show your interest in and gain expertise in file handling by participating in discussions at Non-free content review, Possibly unfree files, and Files for deletion. Also, look through for files and keep an eye out for ones that have been mislabeled, maybe the file can be fixed, maybe the tag needs to be changed to the appropriate tag. Pay particular attention to, , and ; make sure the files are in the proper category so that an admin can deal with them. And maybe most importantly, keep a close eye on the Gallery of New Files tagging images that have issues with the appropriate tags including, of course, rename media (make sure you understand the template first). Do that for a few weeks or two or three score of files with few errors and I will give you File Mover. You may want to keep a log of some of the actions, especially if you find CSD tagged files that you believe don't qualify for CSD. Also don't forget that if the CSD doesn't apply but the file is otherwise problematic, it may need to get another tag (such as nsd - a partial list is in section II here) or it may need to go to Files for Deletion; on the other hand, it may be a keeper. If you have questions, ask. You can leave a message on my talk page with a link to the file in question or if you can use IRC you can get help in #wikipedia-en-help, I'm frequently there.--Doug.(talk • contribs) 07:36, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you Doug. You are very kind. I used to have a friend from Maine. We had a very very great time together. To tell you the truth about this right, I'm not sure if I can easily forget things that has happened to me. But I'm sure I can always ask you for help. Regards, In fact   ( contact )  08:00, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Apology
I want to apologize for mistakenly labeling you as a special purpose account at this deletion discussion. I must have looked only at your current page, which was all about Mohammad Ala, and failed to notice all your earlier work. That was pure sloppiness on my part, for which I was justly scolded by user TP. Please accept my apology. --MelanieN (talk) 04:58, 28 September 2011 (UTC)


 * It's OK! In fact   ( contact )  08:11, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

ابزار کمک مترجم
ببخشید فارسی می‌نویسم برای انتقال ناوباکس از ویکی‌فا به ویکی انگلیسی fa:الگو:راهنمای ابزار کمک مترجم را مطالعه فرمایید فقط به جای کد ذکر شده کد موجود در زیر را جایگزین نمایید. مانند خط اول fa:کاربر:Reza1615/common.js همچنین این کد را باید در ویکی‌فا در common.js کاربری خود قرار دهید تا در آنجا الگو را برای شما ترجمه کند وبعد بتوانید به ویکی انگلیسی انتقال دهید. اگر پرسشی بود در ویکی‌فا یا اینجا در خدمتتان هستم.Reza1615 (talk) 09:41, 30 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks Reza for informing me! Is it possible for you to do all these changes for me ? Or shall I perform them all myself ? Thank you again. In fact 10:27, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi again, unfortunately I don't have access to your common.js and you have to perform it yourself! I wrote the process in your fa.wiki Talk page.Reza1615 (talk) 14:25, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Have I done it right ? In fact 03:30, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

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Your e-mail
About your e-mail asking me about the following quote from Parvaneh Pourshariati, Decline and fall of the Sasanian empire, p.389:


 * "Just as on a Parthian seal from Nisa we find a rider crowned with a diadem spearing a wild beast and surmounted by a crescent moon."

I don't see what relevance this has for our discussion of the images in the Surena article. Pourshariati speaks of "a Parthian seal", not "the Parthian seal'' (your words). He does not link this seal to the Suren family in any way, at least not in the sentence you quote. The seal he describes seems to be entirely different from the one you wanted to include here. The only thing they have in common is that they both contain a crescent. What's the point of this citation? Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:58, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Future Perfect at Sunrise
Hi there. I was wondering if you could have a look at the history of these two articles :

1 and 2.

I think the admin is abusing his admin right. pays no attention to my edit summary ( talk page ) and claims that a very well known book is unreliable. And the worst is that he is threatening to block me !!!

Thanking you in anticipation.

In fact 08:45, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Oh, another thing, I beieve he is Wiki Hounding me. He appears anywhere I edit, and opposes me. I have already asked him not to do so. But he keeps on doing that. In fact 09:37, 22 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I've had a quick look, and there seems to be some history between you two. I wasn't able to make a judgement on the recent edits just by looking at them - it would require studying the subject and reading some sources. I don't have the time at the moment to spare to go into that kind of depth as there are ArbCom matters for me to deal with, and I'd like to keep some spare time on Wikipedia for myself - both for any research I need to do, and also just to do some edits as a pastime. I will keep your request on my talkpage though, to remind me to look into when I get the time. Meanwhile, as regards the edits themselves and the revert, you could try an initial polite, neutral discussion with Future Perfect, and if that doesn't get anywhere, ask for a WP:Third opinion or WP:Editor assistance.  SilkTork   ✔Tea time  15:16, 23 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you. I have always tried to be polite. (That is for sure the first rule.) So perhaps we could work on this case sometime in future. Regards, In fact 09:06, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Abu Musa Page
Please do not undo the section on Arab Public Opinion - you may not like the results, but they are a true reflection of Arab sentiment on the issue & conducted by a reputable polling company. By all means feel free to share Iranian public opinion also. If you continue to undo, I will simply keep reverting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Redroar75 (talk • contribs) 07:21, 16 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, it is undue weight to give such a lengthy section for a poll conducted by a private agency. The poll is not verified by third parties, third parties have not attested the importance of the poll and all over that it is just a poll. It does not desreve 1/4 the Abu Musa's article--Penom (talk) 16:55, 17 May 2012 (UTC)